Jawasa wrote: »

Just give up. You can use the set but dont champion a sub par healer support set like it's good. That shield will go to the wrong player 50% of the time if you only use bol. If you use hots it will be even worse and even when it goes to the right player that 4k shield is very weak.

Have you ever used this set?

And be honest, because as someone who uses this set in all content, my experience with it is nothing like what you are saying here...

Your reply reeks of someone who is ignorantly speaking about something he hasn't experienced first hand...

I've tried most of the Healer sets in this game; I've used SPC, I've used Krags, I've used Julianos, and I keep coming back to Combat Physician as it out performs them all given my playstyle...

And I haven't even mentioned the amazing synergies this set allows you to utilize...

Jawasa wrote: »

I dont need to try it to ser that a 4k shield every 6 sek is bad. For example in pve your goal is to buff your group as a healer so the set is a no go for pve from the start.

In pvp it buffs one person most other sets give you and your entire group a buff that is on par or stronger then this set. If small shields for your group was so strong wouldnt dk shield for group be the best skill in the game?

Thank you for confirming what I said prior: your comments reek of someone speaking ignorantly of something he hasnt experienced 1st hand...

You have never used this set and yet you speak about it as if what you say is fact...

LoL...

I wont derail this thread any more and i'd prefer that more groups run this sert instead of ripost or trans.

Wow didn't expect this to be such an ongoing topic. I currently am playing around with chokethorn set, 5 seducer (4 heavy armor + sword), 5 trans (1 armor, 3 jewelery, shield, restoration staff). This way chokethorn is always active as is trans, and seducer is up when I'm on sword/board which is where I keep the more expensive skills anyway.

I'm not super happy with the weapon setup, and wonder if I may swap it around so seducer is always up, but I spend most time on the resto bar anyway and would need trans active then to keep providing the buff so who knows.

As far as the monster set goes chokethorn seems to be pretty good so far, especially fighting around objectives. Not certain I'm going to keep it long term, but for now it's fun. May swap to a set for more survivability if I really think I need it.

5 reactive, 5 transmutation (jewelry/snb), 2 pirate skeleton, 1 Maelstrom resto.
5/1/1. 5 impen, 2 divines. All mag, 3 recovery glyphs.

Embrace the cancer.

SnB: honor the dead, inner light, elusive mist, entropy, repentance, barrier.
Resto: rapid regen, healing springs, shard, rune, ritual, healing ult.

Grab all mages guild, support/assault and other passives. Works in both BGs and Cyrodil.

Running 5x wizard's riposte, 5x transmutation, 2x blood spawn on my magicka warden when my guild needs a healer in group. Destro/resto so that I have the ability to roll a huge amount of damage and good heals with deep fissure, cliff racer, and then sleet storm/inner light on my heal bar. Sucks to have to choose between the passive bonuses of healing thicket and sleet storm but I think he 8% max magicka helps more.

Caza99 wrote: »

Why not switch trans and seducer? so you have seducer active on both bars and trans only on one

The problem is Trans procs based on a HOT spell, most of which are coming from the restoration staff bar (where I spend most of the time when healing). This would mean trans would be active only on my sword/board bar, which does me no good. When Im on sword/shield Im focused on keeping myself up and alive. I had put most of the big cost spells here (because it makes them cheaper, but as I find most of my survival skills arent THAT expensive anyway, I think it may be better served being replaced by a set which gives some sustain, but mainly survivability.

Unless theres some gear setup I havent thought of, given that I already lose the head/shoulders, and cant craft the jewlery, seducers can only go on either weapons, or the remaining 5 armor spots. If I do all 5 armor slots seducer, trans wont be active on resto staff, which is where my hots come from, only on S&B which isnt where I spend my time as a healer. I could go 4 armor, then do sword & resto staff seducer, with shield and 1 armor part trans, but then again I end up with trans not being able to be kept up while on my resto bar which is most of my time.

Any way I looked at it, if I want to keep the monster set and have trans running during the bulk of my healing/time, it has to be my restoration staff. If Im overlooking a loadout that lets me have the monster set, and 5 seducer, while STILL letting me have trans active with the restoration staff please let me know!

Rianai wrote: »

The transmutation buff lasts for 20 seconds, so it is usually enough to just occasionally swap to your trans bar for a moment to trigger it on whoever gets healed by your HoTs,

Thats a very good point. I do tend to forget how long the buff runs for.

Lexxypwns wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Caza99 wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

To those that champion Transmutation, isn't it capped at affecting the caster and up to 3 other players?

What % of a players crit damage is reduced by Transmutation btw? I'd like to know the numbers so I can actually calculate out the damage negation instead of just declaring it better than Combat Physician based on what people believe...

It may very well be better, but lets use a medium that wont pick sides...the math.


So give me numbers people...

The math tells me that (atleast based on one on one fights) that Combat Physician is superior to Wizards Riposte (how many targets can Wizards Riposte affect at once btw?)...

Lets see what the math says as pertains Transmutation vs Combat Physician...

It doesnt matter what the math says, if you're in a 4 man group and need to decide what sets to wear (which this thread is about), it's not a hard choice between a set that affects one ally every 6 seconds or one that affects most, if not all of them, during combat.

It absolutely matters what the math says; the math wont lie...

So the math matters; yes, Transmutation will protect the wearer and up to 3 additional targets, but to what extent?

I know that in a 1 minute period, I can theoretically get Combat Physician to proc 10 times and negate 40,000+ points of damage in that time span (and this is in a PvP setting; in PvE this figure jumps to over 80,000)...

How much damage will Transmutation negate in an identical period of time?

Both trans and wizards have uncapped target potential, this is why they're better than combat physician. Furthermore, you can run them on a build that doesn't have to focus crazy amounts of regen to e able to reliably proc combat physician. This means you can wear both sets together and have great uptime on both whereas with combat physician you need a sustain set to be able to keep the resources to maintain your buffs. Math is great and all but it isn't ideal for a comparison like this, it's not apples to apples because to keep combs physician proc'ed you basically have to give up a second support set.

Even if combat physician mathematically outperforms either of these sets, it's not even close to outperforming both of them and that becomes more true the larger your group.

Also "proc set meta don't have high weapon crit" is possibly the stupidest thing I've ever heard. 5+ medium and at least 1 set with 2 lines of crit isn't high crit? Lol, do you even know what the set bonuses for viper and widow look like? AND viper drops unique named daggers so if you're DW using viper you've probably got 6% more crit there.

Are you sure Trans is uncapped?

Do you have an official source on this? I've been led to believe that Trans is capped at 4, but I'd love to be proved wrong...

And no, I do not need to have high sustain to reliably proc the damage shield; all I need is high Spell Crit and cheap HoT abilities (Mutagen works wonders for keeping it going for long periods of time at a very affordable Magicka cost)...

And of course Combat Physician shouldn't be able to beat both Trans and Wizs at the same time; one set shouldn't be beating two sets anyway (although it does beat them both at times; fighting the bosses in Imperial City comes to mind as a time when Combat Physician>>>Wizs and Trans at the same time)...

And as for my comment that you find stupid, I consider any Weapon/Spell Crit under 60% to be low (by my standards of course), and I don't know too many peeps with the Meta sporting a Weapon Crit that high, but that's just my view of things...

Lexxypwns wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Caza99 wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

To those that champion Transmutation, isn't it capped at affecting the caster and up to 3 other players?

What % of a players crit damage is reduced by Transmutation btw? I'd like to know the numbers so I can actually calculate out the damage negation instead of just declaring it better than Combat Physician based on what people believe...

It may very well be better, but lets use a medium that wont pick sides...the math.


So give me numbers people...

The math tells me that (atleast based on one on one fights) that Combat Physician is superior to Wizards Riposte (how many targets can Wizards Riposte affect at once btw?)...

Lets see what the math says as pertains Transmutation vs Combat Physician...

It doesnt matter what the math says, if you're in a 4 man group and need to decide what sets to wear (which this thread is about), it's not a hard choice between a set that affects one ally every 6 seconds or one that affects most, if not all of them, during combat.

It absolutely matters what the math says; the math wont lie...

So the math matters; yes, Transmutation will protect the wearer and up to 3 additional targets, but to what extent?

I know that in a 1 minute period, I can theoretically get Combat Physician to proc 10 times and negate 40,000+ points of damage in that time span (and this is in a PvP setting; in PvE this figure jumps to over 80,000)...

How much damage will Transmutation negate in an identical period of time?

Both trans and wizards have uncapped target potential, this is why they're better than combat physician. Furthermore, you can run them on a build that doesn't have to focus crazy amounts of regen to e able to reliably proc combat physician. This means you can wear both sets together and have great uptime on both whereas with combat physician you need a sustain set to be able to keep the resources to maintain your buffs. Math is great and all but it isn't ideal for a comparison like this, it's not apples to apples because to keep combs physician proc'ed you basically have to give up a second support set.

Even if combat physician mathematically outperforms either of these sets, it's not even close to outperforming both of them and that becomes more true the larger your group.

Also "proc set meta don't have high weapon crit" is possibly the stupidest thing I've ever heard. 5+ medium and at least 1 set with 2 lines of crit isn't high crit? Lol, do you even know what the set bonuses for viper and widow look like? AND viper drops unique named daggers so if you're DW using viper you've probably got 6% more crit there.

Are you sure Trans is uncapped?

Do you have an official source on this? I've been led to believe that Trans is capped at 4, but I'd love to be proved wrong...

And no, I do not need to have high sustain to reliably proc the damage shield; all I need is high Spell Crit and cheap HoT abilities (Mutagen works wonders for keeping it going for long periods of time at a very affordable Magicka cost)...

And of course Combat Physician shouldn't be able to beat both Trans and Wizs at the same time; one set shouldn't be beating two sets anyway (although it does beat them both at times; fighting the bosses in Imperial City comes to mind as a time when Combat Physician>>>Wizs and Trans at the same time)...

And as for my comment that you find stupid, I consider any Weapon/Spell Crit under 60% to be low (by my standards of course), and I don't know too many peeps with the Meta sporting a Weapon Crit that high, but that's just my view of things...

First I'll address combat physician. You can proc it with mutagen spam and not need a sustain set, but at the point you're hurting your healing output by sacrificing a more effective rotation to keep your buff active.

Second, running 55-70% crit in Pvp is stupid, you should be hitting 50% crit then building other damage elsewhere OR building 75%+ crit to where crits becomes statistically reliable. Since most burst combos are 3-4 abilities, you won't see a consistent improvement in burst between 53-63%, at 67% you start to see a rail able increase in burst, but to reach that crit number the sets you use allow you to push 75% crit with just major savagery.

Now that that's handled, lets look at viper+x sustain set+ Selene. 10% base crit+12% from cp+6% from 2x knife of shadows+10% savagery+6% from vipers two lines of crit and ~8.5% from 5 medium. This is 52% crit and uses no mind us stone to achieve. This is typical of meta Stam builds

I don't think I hurt anything Healing wise with my Mutagen+Rite of Retribution combo; it works wonders (excellent at bringing those pesky Nightblades out of Stealth), I can afford to keep them going, and combined, they ensure that the Damage Shield is staying active...

I definitely disagree with you about "running 55-70% Crit in PvP is stupid" comment. Whats stupid is limiting yourself to thinking that only builds featuring Crits 54% and below are good...

Heals Crit and last I looked the more Crit Healing you do, the better (and that applies in ALL content); it often saves on Magicka as you have to Heal less frequently and that's huge in todays Resource Challenged game...

Its great for Damage Dealing as well; I currently run about 67% Crit (which is so so by my standards) and with 2 out of every 3 attacks critting, the damage out put is very good...

But to each his own; your idea on things differs from mines...


Edit:

Didn't the coming the Morrowind bring with it an end to Stealth Openers from Nightblades auto-critting?

Also, me bringing up IC bosses is as much garbage as you comparing Combat Physician against Wizards Riposte and Transmutation combined...

@Sarjako plz share necromancer build

Sarjako wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

@Sarjako plz share necromancer build

??? For magplar? Or... ;x

For this thread you necroed

Thought I misread when i saw an email about this thread...you know this is like a year old right

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

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Transmutation (for example) is vastly inferior to Combat Physician in PvE, and so is Wizards Riposte when facing a single powerful opponent (as I demonstrated mathematically when facing a Overworld Boss)...

You're right in this bit ...

But this is a PvP thread we are no discussing pve and any one wearing trans in pve wants shooting

At the moment I'm using earthgore, gossamer and meritorious service, and depending on mood I swap gossamer for other sets my healer has (I even used IA the other day ). I like earthgore, it can literally be a life-saver, and I also like the bonus from merit service because I use purge a lot, so it's always on, and makes players much more tanky. On my teamplar I use channeled focus for the extra resistance, purifying light, sweeps, ritual, breath of life, incantantation, and repentance in terms of class skills, and I like barrier for the extra regen from passives and the damage shield.