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[Major Oversight] Summerset Tutorial Missable Skillpoint Feedback
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Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Why don't zos just auto add the skill points on login....for those with max chars etc....
To me that is the wrong attitude. You basically want something for nothing. What bothers me is I won't be able to do the content. I personally could care less if I get a skill point or not but I want to experience the new content contained in the tutorial.
So roll a new character - or do you really want a veteran character to run through each and every tutorial? That makes no sense.
a veteran character created from morrowind can enter coldharbor wailing prison tutorial at cp 300 if he wanted to, so it doesn't really matter. plus the mind trap tutorial is instanced to yourself atleast in beta so veteran characters running around with new players wont be a problemEdited by Aliyavana on April 17, 2018 8:37PM0 -
Juju_beans✭✭✭✭✭
✭So... With every chapter released my main character will lack more and more skill points...
That's not fair, ZOS. Is this really such a big problem that you can't fix it with simple patch? @ZOS_GinaBruno
No, it's just one single skill point.
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Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Juju_beans wrote: »So... With every chapter released my main character will lack more and more skill points...
That's not fair, ZOS. Is this really such a big problem that you can't fix it with simple patch? @ZOS_GinaBruno
No, it's just one single skill point.
its a beta, we have to leave feedback to prevent it from happening, I swear you "its just one single skillpoint" crowd are toxic. Telling us to reroll characters with many motifs learned and over 20k achievement points and other insane methods to get what we should have access to in the first placeEdited by Aliyavana on April 17, 2018 8:41PM5 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Juju_beans wrote: »So... With every chapter released my main character will lack more and more skill points...
That's not fair, ZOS. Is this really such a big problem that you can't fix it with simple patch? @ZOS_GinaBruno
No, it's just one single skill point.
Yeah not remaking my character with 1405 patterns, all recipes, all motifs, just for a skill point per chapter, they need to let people go through each chapter tutorial on there previous characters to balance it5 -
Juju_beans✭✭✭✭✭
✭Juju_beans wrote: »So... With every chapter released my main character will lack more and more skill points...
That's not fair, ZOS. Is this really such a big problem that you can't fix it with simple patch? @ZOS_GinaBruno
No, it's just one single skill point.
its a beta, we have to leave feedback to prevent it from happening, I swear you "its just one single skillpoint" crowd are toxic. Telling us to reroll characters with many motifs learned and over 20k achievement points and other insane methods to get what we should have access to in the first place
I was replying to a poster who thought you got 1 point for summerset and 1 point for morrowind.
They thought each new chapter gave a new skill point.
Nowhere in my post did I tell anyone to re-roll.
It has nothing to do with what you posted.
And if you are providing beta feedback shouldn't you be doing this in the PTS forum ?
Edited by Juju_beans on April 17, 2018 8:45PM3 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Juju_beans wrote: »Juju_beans wrote: »So... With every chapter released my main character will lack more and more skill points...
That's not fair, ZOS. Is this really such a big problem that you can't fix it with simple patch? @ZOS_GinaBruno
No, it's just one single skill point.
its a beta, we have to leave feedback to prevent it from happening, I swear you "its just one single skillpoint" crowd are toxic. Telling us to reroll characters with many motifs learned and over 20k achievement points and other insane methods to get what we should have access to in the first place
I was replying to a poster who thought you got 1 point for summerset and 1 point for morrowind.
They thought each new chapter gave a new skill point.
It has nothing to do with what you posted.
ok sorry
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My Warden did both the MW tutorial and then there was a quest called "talk to the benefactor" which took me to the wailing prison. I haven't really paid attention to new quests for existing characters, but are we sure there isn't something similar coming from the other side?
If there isn't, then I agree, that's an oversight and one that needs correcting. Yes, its ONLY one skillpoint...now two counting somerset. Or did Clockwork have one to? Then we are up to 3. I don't think clockwork has one, but I've only ventured there to get shards, haven't done the quests yet.0 -
Robo_Hobo✭✭✭✭✭
✭I do think they should let us do the new tutorials for the skill points on existing characters. Even still, it's not as bad as some are making it out to be, it won't add up over time, you only get to do one chapter tutorial, not both, on a new character, so it's still only one extra skill point. Players who start with the Summerset tutorial won't be able to get the skill point from the Morrowind tutorial.3 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭mike_skleinub17_ESO wrote: »My Warden did both the MW tutorial and then there was a quest called "talk to the benefactor" which took me to the wailing prison. I haven't really paid attention to new quests for existing characters, but are we sure there isn't something similar coming from the other side?
If there isn't, then I agree, that's an oversight and one that needs correcting. Yes, its ONLY one skillpoint...now two counting somerset. Or did Clockwork have one to? Then we are up to 3. I don't think clockwork has one, but I've only ventured there to get shards, haven't done the quests yet.
Only chapters come with new tutorials0 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If this is a serious problem, and it's a big if in my view, then the answer is that whichever tutorial a character first completes should give a skill point, and no other subsequent tutorial should do so. It's absurd to propose that veteran characters should run around doing duplicate tutorials just because they're missing one skill point. It shouldn't be about a Morrowind character getting a skill point in Vvardenfell and then another one in Coldharbour, while a pre-Morrowind character only had one in Coldharbour, it should be about the Morrowind character only getting one in Vvardenfell and not getting another one in Coldharbour. Similar considerations will apply in respect of Summerset.
Unfortunately, resolving things that way may satisfy the completionists who currently feel hard done by but will deprive everyone else of an extra skill point!2 -
mikejezz✭✭✭✭Him. I just started a toon with my GF some days ago and we are 30 now.
She ran the tutorial and I didn’t, does that mean she has one more skill point than me ?1 -
munster1404✭✭✭✭I'm sort of starved of skill points points too. To the point that I had to select the obviously unfavorable outcome at the end of the Mage Guild quest line even though I didn't want to just to get the 2 points for all my toons.0
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Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Him. I just started a toon with my GF some days ago and we are 30 now.
She ran the tutorial and I didn’t, does that mean she has one more skill point than me ?
Morrowind's tutorial gives you a skillpoint if you do or skip it, as long as you owned morrowind when you created your character you'll own it0 -
mikejezz✭✭✭✭Him. I just started a toon with my GF some days ago and we are 30 now.
She ran the tutorial and I didn’t, does that mean she has one more skill point than me ?
Morrowind's tutorial gives you a skillpoint if you do or skip it, as long as you owned morrowind when you created your character you'll own it
Ah ok. But it means that the char I made on release always will have one SP less than my new toon and there’s nothing you can do about it?
Sounds like a simple fix. Make people run the tut and gain the SP.1 -
If this is a serious problem, and it's a big if in my view, then the answer is that whichever tutorial a character first completes should give a skill point, and no other subsequent tutorial should do so. It's absurd to propose that veteran characters should run around doing duplicate tutorials just because they're missing one skill point. It shouldn't be about a Morrowind character getting a skill point in Vvardenfell and then another one in Coldharbour, while a pre-Morrowind character only had one in Coldharbour, it should be about the Morrowind character only getting one in Vvardenfell and not getting another one in Coldharbour. Similar considerations will apply in respect of Summerset.
Unfortunately, resolving things that way may satisfy the completionists who currently feel hard done by but will deprive everyone else of an extra skill point!
so if im reading this right...your saying that in order for players to get the skillpoint for a new chapter they should start a new character? for every chapter? if that's the case then THAT IS ABSURD. Almost ridiculously so.
And a new MW character CAN get both MW and Cold Harbor. or are you proposing that they strip those characters of that skill point? Taking it further, a new alt who skips the tutorial after creation still starts with 3 skill points. And does the Chapter tutorial AND does the "talk to the benefactor" quest taking them back to Cold Harbor for..another skill point.
I know the above is correct because I did it on my Warden. So that's...two skill points I should be stripped of? The number of skill points gained or lost obviously isn't the actual issue.
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Nestor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭These, 1, now 2 skill points have no impact on my existing characters. They have all the skill points they need, and can get some more if needed.
It should be addressed, by making it so you get one skill point from any tutorial and that is it. That makes the most sense.Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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N00BxV1✭✭✭✭✭
✭I can't believe it's been a year and nothing has been done about this. But they’re doing it again, locking existing characters out of an intro quest in DLC that we’ve paid for... I'm not rolling a new character every time a dlc comes out, if that’s what they expect then just go ahead and wipe the whole damn server every year.
How about letting me play the content that I’ve paid for (morrowind and summerset intros) on my main character that does all the questing.
Edited to be more constructive...Edited by N00BxV1 on April 18, 2018 1:52AM2 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I can't believe it's been a year and nothing has been done about this. But they’re doing it again, locking existing characters out of an intro quest in DLC that we’ve paid for... I'm not rolling a new character every time a dlc comes out, if that’s what they expect then just go ahead and wipe the whole damn server every year.
How about letting me play the content that I’ve paid for (morrowind and summerset intros) on my main character that does all the questing.
Edited to be more constructive...
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OtarTheMad✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Okay what is the big deal with one skill point? And where in the world are people getting multiple missed skill points? I would guess that once Summerset drops then you can't do the Morrowind Tutorial anymore so therefore it'll always be just one skill point. Example:
Morrowind Tutorial 1, Main Quest Tutorial 1
Summerset Tutorial 1, Main Quest Tutorial 1 (Can't do Morrowind tutorial anymore)
Third Chapter Tutorial 1, Main Quest Tutorial 1 (Can't do Summerset tutorial anymore or Morrowind)
and it goes on and on. It's just the same skill point redone every year.
That's why Breaking Through the Fog is in the game I assume, so when they eliminate the Morrowind Tutorial you can still "do the quest".
Edited by OtarTheMad on April 18, 2018 5:52AM0 -
Harrdarrzarr✭✭✭Is it possible to make it so that when it hits live, the only way for existing characters to go the Summerset for the first time is to accept a certain quest which would land us in the tutorial? So we would not be able to port there, or port to friends who are there or whatever, ONLY the quest would bring us there.
You could do it like the crown store items that are free which give a quest, like you do when events start.Edited by Harrdarrzarr on April 18, 2018 7:56AM0 -
CurlyQTip✭✭✭If you grind shards you should easily be able to fill everything you need. All class lists + 3 weapon skills + guild and alliance war skills etc.
when it comes to crafting skill lines outside of the alchemy and provisioning bonus to items I find junking an unused character to turn into an extra bank + craft only character is usefulEdited by CurlyQTip on April 18, 2018 8:17AMSignatures are for losers0 -
witchdoctor✭✭✭✭✭
✭... is still bugged a year later
Maybe they did hear you, but they just disagree with you.
Sorry if that's a spoon in the Matrix moment, but, just because you think its 'bugged,' it may actually be WAI.
Maybe ZOS considers the tutorial to be for new players.
Maybe ZOS thinks to throw new players a bone with an extra skill point.
Maybe ZOS doesn't want to add extra complexity with a mechanism to check account creation date vs Summerset release date, so, it just applies to characters made on the day or after.
With all the water you've carried about this issue, ZOS has heard you. SInce they 'did it again,' it stands to reason they don't agree with you.1 -
Feanor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Easy solution. PvP a bit. 50 skill points to be had there.
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