Vivec PC/NA the population exploits are still occurring & IC is still useless

Ackwalan · April 2018

Is AD in last place again? Must be, with all this "they are picking on us " talk.

usmcjdking · April 2018

There is a much simpler solution to all this "AD is losing cuz exploits" nonsense.

Your pugs are all heavy attack sorcerors and snipe spammers, with the occasional ambush spammer. While that seems great in Xv1, this lends to a situation where you cannot effectively sit on flags as a faction. If you can't sit on flags you can neither defend nor attack a competent but numerically overmatched force.

When I play either of my AD toons it's like pulling teeth trying to get "Legolaszum'Dar" or some name related to that, to actually go fight instead of sitting in stealth 40m away spamming the snipe button hoping that enemies will be in range and line of sight long enough for it to complete the animation.

Vilestride · April 2018

Ackwalan wrote: »

Is AD in last place again? Must be, with all this "they are picking on us " talk.

I think they just need more guilds.

Agrippa_Invisus · April 2018

Vilestride wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Is AD in last place again? Must be, with all this "they are picking on us " talk.

I think they just need more guilds.

Once all PC NA guilds are AD, then they will be sure to win!

usmcjdking · April 2018

Vilestride wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Is AD in last place again? Must be, with all this "they are picking on us " talk.

I think they just need more guilds.

More guilds isn't the issue.

Honestly it's the races. Have you tried to contest an EP faction stack? Impossible - everyone has 50khp and 90% of the time you actually die to the EP faction stack is because you got petrified with no resources after fighting them for 15 minutes and died to 12 instances of 2k dmg dawnbreakers/leaps for Bjorn Svensjolvir or names that resemble that.

DC is all a bunch of fotm 100 damage 0 sustain builds. You got stam builds running around with 750 regen like BRO IM REDGUARD I HAVE INFINITY SUSTAIN. You can literally beat the DC faction stack by fighting them for 30 seconds before doing anything else.

AD? AD territory is like the bush in Vietnam. Snipers everywhere. You've got landmines of players sitting in stealth ready to make any 1v3 a 1v23.

Telel · April 2018

It's interesting to note that people are assuming i made this thread because AD is still not winning.

I'm actually quite happy with the current points spread since with 6 days to go it's still anyone's campaign. So please stop ascribing motives to me simply because you're on the factions that harbor certain individuals who engage in the more unsavory of antics.

If you do that I promise not to accuse you of being the kind of person(s) who need a 300 player handicap to take on a 50 player pack of tryhards.

Sound's fair right?

Now going back to my original statement. I specifically said that this is an ongoing issue that has once more become increasingly blatant during this event. Seemingly so people can boost their AP. WHich is against TOS.

I've also stated that this is all stuff I have observed during my play time on one specific server. If you wish to comment please keep that in mind and try to work around that context.

I am also going to remain firm on my opinion that sitting in a safe space harassing the one regular PUG herder a faction has is not what ZOS intended when it wussed out and said 'LOL spais r legit tictaciz'. Which, once again, has become increasingly frequent and ever more vile in content.

As are any similar incidents of so called 'spying' perpetuated by people who will later be found on a certain mauve flavored faction.

I'll also leave everyone with this thought. A certain notorious exploiter liked to claim that he was just 'creatively skilled', and totes not just exploiting/cheating/being an elf. And we all know how that turned out. Not to mention how long it took ZOS to finally do anything about it.

Telel · April 2018

It's interesting to note that people are assuming i made this thread because AD is still not winning.

I'm actually quite happy with the current points spread since with 6 days to go it's still anyone's campaign. So please stop ascribing motives to me simply because you're on the factions that harbor certain individuals who engage in the more unsavory of antics.

If you do that I promise not to accuse you of being the kind of person(s) who need a 300 player handicap to take on a 50 player pack of tryhards.

Sound's fair right?

Now going back to my original statement. I specifically said that this is an ongoing issue that has once more become increasingly blatant during this event. Seemingly so people can boost their AP. WHich is against TOS.

I've also stated that this is all stuff I have observed during my play time on one specific server. If you wish to comment please keep that in mind and try to work around that context.

I am also going to remain firm on my opinion that sitting in a safe space harassing the one regular PUG herder a faction has is not what ZOS intended when it wussed out and said 'LOL spais r legit tictaciz'. Which, once again, has become increasingly frequent and ever more vile in content.

As are any similar incidents of so called 'spying' perpetuated by people who will later be found on a certain mauve flavored faction.

I'll also leave everyone with this thought. A certain notorious exploiter liked to claim that he was just 'creatively skilled', and totes not just exploiting/cheating/being an elf. And we all know how that turned out. Not to mention how long it took ZOS to finally do anything about it.

OGLezard · April 2018

Telel wrote: »

It's interesting to note that people are assuming i made this thread because AD is still not winning.

I'm actually quite happy with the current points spread since with 6 days to go it's still anyone's campaign. So please stop ascribing motives to me simply because you're on the factions that harbor certain individuals who engage in the more unsavory of antics.

If you do that I promise not to accuse you of being the kind of person(s) who need a 300 player handicap to take on a 50 player pack of tryhards.

Sound's fair right?

Now going back to my original statement. I specifically said that this is an ongoing issue that has once more become increasingly blatant during this event. Seemingly so people can boost their AP. WHich is against TOS.

I've also stated that this is all stuff I have observed during my play time on one specific server. If you wish to comment please keep that in mind and try to work around that context.

I am also going to remain firm on my opinion that sitting in a safe space harassing the one regular PUG herder a faction has is not what ZOS intended when it wussed out and said 'LOL spais r legit tictaciz'. Which, once again, has become increasingly frequent and ever more vile in content.

As are any similar incidents of so called 'spying' perpetuated by people who will later be found on a certain mauve flavored faction.

I'll also leave everyone with this thought. A certain notorious exploiter liked to claim that he was just 'creatively skilled', and totes not just exploiting/cheating/being an elf. And we all know how that turned out. Not to mention how long it took ZOS to finally do anything about it.

You mean the one that took a "vacation" unrelated to the shield stacking "skill" that allowed them to reduce all incoming damage by something like 96.7% at all times......then just recently came back? Jynxie? Blonxie? Blinky? I'm sure I will get the name right eventually

Edit to clarify:

Not talking stacking shields as normal, im talking exploiting a few other things to make their shields REDUCE 96.7% of all incoming damage. Your tool tip says a high number but they took like 15 damage from that attack lol

usmcjdking · April 2018

Telel wrote: »

It's interesting to note that people are assuming i made this thread because AD is still not winning.

I'm actually quite happy with the current points spread since with 6 days to go it's still anyone's campaign. So please stop ascribing motives to me simply because you're on the factions that harbor certain individuals who engage in the more unsavory of antics.

If you do that I promise not to accuse you of being the kind of person(s) who need a 300 player handicap to take on a 50 player pack of tryhards.

Sound's fair right?

Now going back to my original statement. I specifically said that this is an ongoing issue that has once more become increasingly blatant during this event. Seemingly so people can boost their AP. WHich is against TOS.

I've also stated that this is all stuff I have observed during my play time on one specific server. If you wish to comment please keep that in mind and try to work around that context.

I am also going to remain firm on my opinion that sitting in a safe space harassing the one regular PUG herder a faction has is not what ZOS intended when it wussed out and said 'LOL spais r legit tictaciz'. Which, once again, has become increasingly frequent and ever more vile in content.

As are any similar incidents of so called 'spying' perpetuated by people who will later be found on a certain mauve flavored faction.

I'll also leave everyone with this thought. A certain notorious exploiter liked to claim that he was just 'creatively skilled', and totes not just exploiting/cheating/being an elf. And we all know how that turned out. Not to mention how long it took ZOS to finally do anything about it.

I don't need to assume you made this thread because AD is not winning.

You are latently mentioning it in every single post. Spies, conspiracy, team purple, exploiters, hackers - all of these are certainly not related to a blow out AD win.

kpittsniperb14_ESO · April 2018

usmcjdking wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Is AD in last place again? Must be, with all this "they are picking on us " talk.

I think they just need more guilds.

More guilds isn't the issue.

Honestly it's the races. Have you tried to contest an EP faction stack? Impossible - everyone has 50khp and 90% of the time you actually die to the EP faction stack is because you got petrified with no resources after fighting them for 15 minutes and died to 12 instances of 2k dmg dawnbreakers/leaps for Bjorn Svensjolvir or names that resemble that.

DC is all a bunch of fotm 100 damage 0 sustain builds. You got stam builds running around with 750 regen like BRO IM REDGUARD I HAVE INFINITY SUSTAIN. You can literally beat the DC faction stack by fighting them for 30 seconds before doing anything else.

AD? AD territory is like the bush in Vietnam. Snipers everywhere. You've got landmines of players sitting in stealth ready to make any 1v3 a 1v23.

Couldn't agree more with this assessment. AD pugs are by far the least effective of all 3 factions and the vast majority of the they are simply a liability and a VD proc waiting to happen. I can't count the amount of times we've rolled up to defend a burst keep and stumbled upon 15 khajit bow users in stealth outside the keep walls just sitting there instead of actively defending.

Vilestride wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Is AD in last place again? Must be, with all this "they are picking on us " talk.

I think they just need more guilds.

Sure, AD probably has the most guilds number wise at the moment I'll give you that. However most play only 3 nights a week max and don't run 16-24 deep with the exception of Pug Wranglers and prefer not to stack on top of one another when multiple are actually on at the same time which is rare. Additionally, if you take a look at the rosters of the more seasoned AD guilds you'll notice something very interesting, they are essentially composed of many of the same players. I'll estimate that there are probably somewhere in the neighborhood of roughly 40 or so seasoned AD players total on Vivec NA Primetime in those guilds. EP has several guilds that run more consistently and with much larger numbers and spend a lot of time stacking with each other....no judgement here, just an observation. I'm not sure that EP is really at that much of a disadvantage here.

Telel wrote: »

It's interesting to note that people are assuming i made this thread because AD is still not winning.

I'm actually quite happy with the current points spread since with 6 days to go it's still anyone's campaign. So please stop ascribing motives to me simply because you're on the factions that harbor certain individuals who engage in the more unsavory of antics.

If you do that I promise not to accuse you of being the kind of person(s) who need a 300 player handicap to take on a 50 player pack of tryhards.

Sound's fair right?

Now going back to my original statement. I specifically said that this is an ongoing issue that has once more become increasingly blatant during this event. Seemingly so people can boost their AP. WHich is against TOS.

I've also stated that this is all stuff I have observed during my play time on one specific server. If you wish to comment please keep that in mind and try to work around that context.

I am also going to remain firm on my opinion that sitting in a safe space harassing the one regular PUG herder a faction has is not what ZOS intended when it wussed out and said 'LOL spais r legit tictaciz'. Which, once again, has become increasingly frequent and ever more vile in content.

As are any similar incidents of so called 'spying' perpetuated by people who will later be found on a certain mauve flavored faction.

I'll also leave everyone with this thought. A certain notorious exploiter liked to claim that he was just 'creatively skilled', and totes not just exploiting/cheating/being an elf. And we all know how that turned out. Not to mention how long it took ZOS to finally do anything about it.

Telel, everything you have mentioned has been an issue in this game since launch and it's probably safe to say that ZOS isn't going to address these issues to your satisfaction. Wheeler already acknowledged that spying is a legit thing 2 years ago and even stealing scrolls is not a ToS violation which I personally think is BS but what are you gonna do? It's tough leading groups on AD especially in the timeslot that you guys run so please accept my appreciation for what you do...having said that stop whining, you are making the faction look like a bunch of whinging bow light attack spamming tail having ....oh wait.

Telel · April 2018

I'm not whining. I'm ranting. After four years I think I'm entitled to at least one 'woe is me we're all gonna die but especially the elsves' threads.

Also, there's nothing that could make bowtatoes look less like bowtatoes. Not even khajiit talk can hide that massive amount of willful failure.

zyk · April 2018

@Telel

First, I want to say I respect you a lot because of your convictions, loyalty, and most of all the hard work you've put in leading groups and training players. You are definitely entitled to rant.

I only rarely play and the odd time I have, it's not when your group is running, so I can't speak to your specific concerns.

When I play, I do see a lot of AFK players, but I don't think they're spying. I think this is just a really casual game with a lot of casual players who go AFK a lot or play solo and stare at their maps waiting for something interesting to happen.

Yeah, some of them are multifaction. Like you, I am loyal to AD, but we play in a time when I think most AvA players are multifaction so we can't presume malicious intent when we encounter them. I agree it's frustrating when the 'friends before faction' players and honourable gentlemen make fights awkward, but I try to let that roll off me now. Whether we like it or not, they are allowed to play the game that way and confronting them definitely won't help.

I empathize with much of what you write. I left a guild I enjoyed being in because I was so triggered by that kind of thing from just a few members. It was my fault for being triggered because they're entitled to play that way.

I think a high percentage of players won't do something they are told to, even if it makes sense for them to. I would try reinforcing the good vs criticizing the bad. I say that as someone who has been highly critical in zone chat over the years with no beneficial results to show for it.

I would believe you're being harassed, but I think the best approach is not to feed the haters. I think their main goal would be to get a reaction from you.

Everyone:

On the general subject of PC/NA/AD's overall competency, it's never been only about large guild groups. During the NA prime time periods, I think AD has needed more smaller groups and good solo players in strong builds who are willing to do some of the dirty work of clearing opposition groups from AD resources and making life miserable for the inner/outlying keep pvdoor groups.

Probably AD's biggest challenge atm is that the small group culture of the game is disproportionately composed of players who play more for EP and DC.

Minalan · April 2018

Marcus684 wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

How come DC arrives in no time when a keep is being attacked, when not its not the case with EP ? Explain.

As a terribad casual, I personally spend a significant amount of time in Cyrodiil scouting back keeps and repairing. If you attack a DC back keep and suddenly a flood of DC players drops from the wall and mows you down even before the keep bursts, it’s probably because of me or someone like me discovering your siege early and called it out in zone. Just because you don’t understand why something happened doesn’t mean someone’s cheating.

It seems like about half of the population are nightblades. I can’t count the number of times I’ve heard, “Huge AD Zerg headed to Rayles!” over zone.

IZZEFlameLash · April 2018

Huh, as an avid AD player... I must say, yeah purple exists and less often, green and orange also exist. But mostly purple and then orange due to some of the DC during my playtime really don't go north and eastward very often for whatever reason.

And yes, some cross faction players come in and vomit their toxic innards out before going back to their most played factions as if we don't already deal with certain NPC spewing out toxic things. But I don't think they really affect the general gameplay too much. Ignore is a godsent feature.

I also do not believe spies make it or break it tbh. Yeah, there are spies but I have not seen much of them and most of the times, opponent leads also know how to read the map. So... all they really need is someone in the chat notifying "____ group heading ______" from their own zones or move fast when something lights up. Not denying that they don't exist but it is not an exploit as of now and there's not much ZOS can do about it. Annoying, but not an exploit or fixable really.

The biggest issue I see as an AD is that there are too many those who sit in the stealth and there are too many light attack spammers. I'd be lucky if I get overwhelmed by light attack spammers from other factions. And some of the AD are also real too quick to judge something as cheat. Demonstrating that they are not really willing to improve their game in PvP. Like oil bathers... no amount of "do not stand in the oil" warnings seem to work. And they repeat it over and over. So.... yeah...

Joy_Division · April 2018

Telel wrote: »

@Joy_Division How do you interpret two groups from two different factions that end up dancing together after they wipe out a PUG group while never once engaging the other, and do this routinely? Especially when they never use AOEs that might harm those other players.

Because, again, I keep running into that, and will be happy to post a video showing just that level of scrubishness if you like.

I interpret that exactly what I said in my post.

You asking a lot of questions in this thread, but you didn't answer mine.

I want to know why exactly EP and DC of "supposedly 'good' players resorting to using two groups from opposing factions to boost their AP and help them farm PUGs on an outnumbered faction"

How does this boost their AP? Seriously, they're getting only half. The only way this is a "boost" if otherwise they couldn't beat you in a straight up fight. That's your implication. All the more so because you so casually call people scrubs and deride them as "supposedly 'good'".

This lead me to think what you are experiencing is personal. It's just not rational behavior for EP and DC to cut their AP in half, not to mention waste time waiting for their ally to come in form up, coordinate Discord, etc., just to beat up on - your words - "PUGs on an outnumbered faction." Maybe they got mad because they don't like being called spies or being accused of exploiting. Maybe they are just not nice people. But it's not rationale behavior. You're saying it's the same people doing it to you. And somehow, I have not witnessed or even heard of the "purple Alliance" conspiracy Vs. poor AD PuGs even though I have a 5 star on EP and DC, know many players from both factions, and see a lot of salty mutlifaction guild chat. Some specific people either don't like you or enjoy trolling you.

Now can you please stop throwing out a lot of serious accusations - you're even pointing attention to have EU players were banned for what you think is similar behavior - in what you want us to believe is a "woe is me" thread?

Again, if there is legit que exploiting, then provide evidence for that and let ZoS know. If you feel you are being harassed, which is a possibility since what is happening to you may be personal, then as you have a video recorder, then I would encourage you to compile clips, time stamp them in order to demonstrate their consistency, and provide ZoS with the footage. I would, however, not call the people you are competing against spies, scrubs, exploiters, etc., as they might be interpreted as instigation

Iskras · April 2018

Ackwalan wrote: »

Is AD in last place again? Must be, with all this "they are picking on us " talk.

Change this score is easy.

Iskras · April 2018

"How do you interpret two groups from two different factions that end up dancing together after they wipe out a PUG group"

I do not expect much from some players. Good conduct on the terms of the campaign - campaign - is something 'rare' these days. Maybe some people do not feel such joy in playing a campaign, so they do not care about anything. Others just do not respect themselves much less other playes and thus end up avenging the bad behaviors in game, the bad 'modes'. Child provocations are common. I, in particular, report absolutely all of them with videos and prints (and I will continue to report if a certain conduct injures another player).

Some guild leaders encourage poor behavior. But, they can also be reported if they break the code and ToS conduits. Simple. Who judges? ZOS and exclusively to ZOS.

On 'alliances', well, they exist formally and informally.

Kilandros · April 2018

Was playing on AD a bit yesterday afternoon and zone chat was honestly the most toxic thing I've ever experienced in this game. I'd play on a different faction too if I had to deal with that all day.

tinythinker · April 2018

Telel wrote: »

Finally there's the wastes of server space that are people in IC. Not only do they refuse to go to a quieter server or PVP, their presence actively harms the chances of the outnumbered faction remaining competitive without night capping. Especially when combined with the multiude of 'spies' doing their best to be the most useless things in the game.

If only IC had value to the Alliance War.

Agrippa_Invisus · April 2018

Kilandros wrote: »

Was playing on AD a bit yesterday afternoon and zone chat was honestly the most toxic thing I've ever experienced in this game. I'd play on a different faction too if I had to deal with that all day.

There's a reason other, more notable games have been trying so hard to combat toxicity lately.

No one wants to play a game where they feel like they are being berated, hated, and treated like crud in. There is some outlet in ESO in faction swapping, but in the end it's still rampant verbal abuse.

Rin_Senya · April 2018

kpittsniperb14_ESO wrote: »

AD guilds...prefer not to stack on top of one another when multiple are actually on at the same time which is rare.

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Iskras · April 2018

EP and DC zone chat is the same thing like AD. I have toons in all actions. And let's make it clear, apart from some 'jokes', criticisms should never be compared to 'toxics'. It is normal to have criticism when you are in something collective. What I think is that there is - yes yes - a lot of intolerance on the part of some who do not like to be 'upset'. Others, (with regard to a particular player) are 'crystal glass' because 'everything' offends .... Most of the time, in AD chat zone, what happens is ideas and criticism about the faction .

Iskras · April 2018

hey @Rin_Senya

rfennell_ESO · April 2018

Joy_Division wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Testing whether or not the queue exploit is back should be pretty simple. Get a cross faction group and try to queue.

Now what are your thoughts about everything that I listed in the original post?

I've been triggered.

^^

rfennell_ESO · April 2018

Telel wrote: »

First of all my apologies for not doing this in a khajiit style but these gross acts of unsportsmanlike conduct have simply continue for to long with no real action on the part of ZOS.

This entire rant is also entirely aimed at the mid afternoon time slot I play in. YMMV during other time periods as I am not around then to look at things.

For a long long time people have been using alts to both boost their AP gains, provide them with 'spies' so they don't have to think to hard, spam zone chat, and add extra numbers when a 220 queue worth of people just isn't enough to fight 1 bar of opponents.

I'm sure we all remember when hundreds of players from the EU, and console servers were supposedly punished for this kind of behavior. I even have a video clip of a certain group of supposedly 'good' players resorting to using two groups from opposing factions to boost their AP and help them farm PUGs on an outnumbered faction.

Then there was the population exploit that let other factions exploit more people onto the server using alts. Supposedly zenimax fixed this, but then they rolled back some changes and the supposedly fixed population bars suddenly returned to their old state.

All of which have been part of last year of daily routine suffered any AD playing during the mid afternoon time period.

However over the last week this has once more gotten immensely blatant. So blatant there are large groups of 'spies' just sitting AFK in cyrodiil. And of course there are still the infantile trolls who squeal into zone chat about how 'good' they are while also telling their friends where to find camps, sieges, etc. There are also there are also the scrubs who show up to purposely sabotage sieges so their friends can 'win' against the 'zerging bads'....

And then there's also the 'purple' scrubs who use multiple factions worth of players to both boost their numbers, and give themselves more numers than any single faction allows. If you call that paranoid I have video of just that thing being done today at Vlastrus.

Finally there's the wastes of server space that are people in IC. Not only do they refuse to go to a quieter server or PVP, their presence actively harms the chances of the outnumbered faction remaining competitive without night capping. Especially when combined with the multiude of 'spies' doing their best to be the most useless things in the game.

All of that makes it damn near impossible for a faction to put up anything approaching the numbers routinely thrown at empty keeps by certain other opponents. And about the tenth time your PUG of 8 gets wiped by a combined group of 20+ it's just not worth staying on to watch yet another keep end up being double teamed by folks 'looking for good fights'.

And after a year of it....well it's just sad to see such antics being eagerly employed by certain individuals.

I really really really hope ZOS starts to do something about this blatant griefing and exploiting , and soon. Otherwise there's just no point logging into cyro to do the same thing I've been doing for four years now. heck even if Sommerset brings a major revamp to how the map is won this kind of unsporting conduct still needs to be addressed.

The problem you are facing is the reasonable playtime pvper versus the "I'm the boss at work" "elite" 10 hours+ players.

It's always going to be an issue, as long as ZOS foolishly allows multiple factions on one account into the same server.

IC has needed to be changed to a seperate instance/server for a long time now.

Idinuse · April 2018

Telel wrote: »

@VaranisArano I've explained the issue quite thoroughly. I'm not sure how else to say 'jackassses are logging in and then just sitting in one spot or actively using alts to sabotage things. Oh and IC is still a pop bar bloating waste of space'. Which is the point of what I'm annoyed by.

@Joy_Division How do you interpret two groups from two different factions that end up dancing together after they wipe out a PUG group while never once engaging the other, and do this routinely? Especially when they never use AOEs that might harm those other players.

Because, again, I keep running into that, and will be happy to post a video showing just that level of scrubishness if you like.

Joy_Division wrote: »

But, take it from someone who has seen 4 years worth of EP and DC zone chats, EP and DC guild chats, been in teamspeak with a lot of EP and DC players

VaranisArano · April 2018

Idinuse wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

VaranisArano I've explained the issue quite thoroughly. I'm not sure how else to say 'jackassses are logging in and then just sitting in one spot or actively using alts to sabotage things. Oh and IC is still a pop bar bloating waste of space'. Which is the point of what I'm annoyed by.

@Joy_Division How do you interpret two groups from two different factions that end up dancing together after they wipe out a PUG group while never once engaging the other, and do this routinely? Especially when they never use AOEs that might harm those other players.

Because, again, I keep running into that, and will be happy to post a video showing just that level of scrubishness if you like.

Joy_Division wrote: »

But, take it from someone who has seen 4 years worth of EP and DC zone chats, EP and DC guild chats, been in teamspeak with a lot of EP and DC players

I'm not sure why I got mentioned here, but it is bugging me that you quoted such a small portion of Joy_Division's post. That small portion really, when I reread it here, misrepresents how I understood it in its original context.

Here's that quote in its context, where its clearly an experienced multifaction player explaining that in their experience, there is no conspiracy.

"I don't doubt there are jerks. And I don't doubt that you have been trolled at times because you are a long time established player who genuinely cares about the game and trying to help the AD faction. But, take it from someone who has seen 4 years worth of EP and DC zone chats, EP and DC guild chats, been in teamspeak with a lot of EP and DC players, the name Telel hardly ever ever comes up outside the purely strategic call-outs that your group is at a particular objective. And in such an instance, pretty much all conversation is purely about tactics that only involve us, no "spies," no calling our "purple" friends, none of that nonsense, and that's it. It's on the level. Though sometimes I will admit there are comments about calling animal control because of the werewolf and cat thing. I've been playing this game for 4 years. I have a 5 star DC. I have a 5 star EP. You can believe me or you can go on interpreting anything you think you see as one giant conspiracy aimed to keep you and AD down."

Joy_Division · April 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

Idinuse wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

VaranisArano I've explained the issue quite thoroughly. I'm not sure how else to say 'jackassses are logging in and then just sitting in one spot or actively using alts to sabotage things. Oh and IC is still a pop bar bloating waste of space'. Which is the point of what I'm annoyed by.

@Joy_Division How do you interpret two groups from two different factions that end up dancing together after they wipe out a PUG group while never once engaging the other, and do this routinely? Especially when they never use AOEs that might harm those other players.

Because, again, I keep running into that, and will be happy to post a video showing just that level of scrubishness if you like.

Joy_Division wrote: »

But, take it from someone who has seen 4 years worth of EP and DC zone chats, EP and DC guild chats, been in teamspeak with a lot of EP and DC players

I'm not sure why I got mentioned here, but it is bugging me that you quoted such a small portion of Joy_Division's post. That small portion really, when I reread it here, misrepresents how I understood it in its original context.

Here's that quote in its context, where its clearly an experienced multifaction player explaining that in their experience, there is no conspiracy.

Misrepresentation was intentional.

VaranisArano · April 2018

Joy_Division wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Idinuse wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

VaranisArano I've explained the issue quite thoroughly. I'm not sure how else to say 'jackassses are logging in and then just sitting in one spot or actively using alts to sabotage things. Oh and IC is still a pop bar bloating waste of space'. Which is the point of what I'm annoyed by.

@Joy_Division How do you interpret two groups from two different factions that end up dancing together after they wipe out a PUG group while never once engaging the other, and do this routinely? Especially when they never use AOEs that might harm those other players.

Because, again, I keep running into that, and will be happy to post a video showing just that level of scrubishness if you like.

Joy_Division wrote: »

But, take it from someone who has seen 4 years worth of EP and DC zone chats, EP and DC guild chats, been in teamspeak with a lot of EP and DC players

I'm not sure why I got mentioned here, but it is bugging me that you quoted such a small portion of Joy_Division's post. That small portion really, when I reread it here, misrepresents how I understood it in its original context.

Here's that quote in its context, where its clearly an experienced multifaction player explaining that in their experience, there is no conspiracy.

Misrepresentation was intentional.

At least, I read it again in that post and was like "I don't think that was what that meant the first time I read it..."

I haven't played afternoon Vivec for EP for several months now, dont have the time, but back when I regularly did I agree that I didn't hear much about Telel other than "Cropsford again, go check likely targets."

Then again, I'm pretty sure that people on each faction think that team Green/Purple/Orange is out to get them. I know I hear enough about team Green from EP.

Eirella · April 2018

Kilandros wrote: »

Was playing on AD a bit yesterday afternoon and zone chat was honestly the most toxic thing I've ever experienced in this game. I'd play on a different faction too if I had to deal with that all day.

This is why I switched to EP a couple of years ago lol