Vivec PC/NA the population exploits are still occurring & IC is still useless

Telel

First of all my apologies for not doing this in a khajiit style but these gross acts of unsportsmanlike conduct have simply continue for to long with no real action on the part of ZOS.

This entire rant is also entirely aimed at the mid afternoon time slot I play in. YMMV during other time periods as I am not around then to look at things.

For a long long time people have been using alts to both boost their AP gains, provide them with 'spies' so they don't have to think to hard, spam zone chat, and add extra numbers when a 220 queue worth of people just isn't enough to fight 1 bar of opponents.

I'm sure we all remember when hundreds of players from the EU, and console servers were supposedly punished for this kind of behavior. I even have a video clip of a certain group of supposedly 'good' players resorting to using two groups from opposing factions to boost their AP and help them farm PUGs on an outnumbered faction.

Then there was the population exploit that let other factions exploit more people onto the server using alts. Supposedly zenimax fixed this, but then they rolled back some changes and the supposedly fixed population bars suddenly returned to their old state.

All of which have been part of last year of daily routine suffered any AD playing during the mid afternoon time period.

However over the last week this has once more gotten immensely blatant. So blatant there are large groups of 'spies' just sitting AFK in cyrodiil. And of course there are still the infantile trolls who squeal into zone chat about how 'good' they are while also telling their friends where to find camps, sieges, etc. There are also there are also the scrubs who show up to purposely sabotage sieges so their friends can 'win' against the 'zerging bads'....

And then there's also the 'purple' scrubs who use multiple factions worth of players to both boost their numbers, and give themselves more numers than any single faction allows. If you call that paranoid I have video of just that thing being done today at Vlastrus.

Finally there's the wastes of server space that are people in IC. Not only do they refuse to go to a quieter server or PVP, their presence actively harms the chances of the outnumbered faction remaining competitive without night capping. Especially when combined with the multiude of 'spies' doing their best to be the most useless things in the game.

All of that makes it damn near impossible for a faction to put up anything approaching the numbers routinely thrown at empty keeps by certain other opponents. And about the tenth time your PUG of 8 gets wiped by a combined group of 20+ it's just not worth staying on to watch yet another keep end up being double teamed by folks 'looking for good fights'.

And after a year of it....well it's just sad to see such antics being eagerly employed by certain individuals.

I really really really hope ZOS starts to do something about this blatant griefing and exploiting , and soon. Otherwise there's just no point logging into cyro to do the same thing I've been doing for four years now. heck even if Sommerset brings a major revamp to how the map is won this kind of unsporting conduct still needs to be addressed.

VaranisArano

I'm genuinely confused. How do you use alts to mess with another faction's population? Unless you have multiple accounts, you can still only play one character at a time, right?

So is this people logging on with a character not their main faction and just sitting in Cyrodiil, spying in zone chat and contributing nothing? That's annoying, but I haven't thought of it as an exploit.

Or is it people logging their alts into Cyrodiil, then logging off so they stay in Cyrodiil, at least until the campaign hits pop-lock and they get kicked? Which again, that's kind of a natural thing with the recent queue changes so that people no longer automatically get kicked out of Cyrodiil unless the population gets too high. If that's screwing with the campaign pop, I'd like to know because I don't want to leave my EP characters logged into Cyrodiil if its going to mess with other EP.

Or is it something else I've been oblivious to?

As for Imperial City, my preferred solution is 3 separate campaigns for IC. A Cp-enabled, a No Cp enabled, and a Below Level 50 campaign, no riding, just queue straight for Imperial CIty. But ZOS doesn't seem to be making too many changes there.

usmcjdking

Can you reproduce this exploit with definitive proof that an exploit is even occurring?

Telel

A little bit of column A , a bit of B.

Furthermore if you're in cyrodiil on Ad around the 3pm EST-7pm EST time slot you'll also start noticing certain names making zone chat a spam and drama ridden morass. Names that'll later turn up on EP or DC toons once there's even larger zergs to hide behind.

And this has been ongoing for months now. Actually longer, but these same people weren't as open about their antics and or weren't around yet.

There's also the possiblity ZOS never really fixed the queue exploit, or reverted the change when they broke things during the last major patch. XD

Telel

usmcjdking wrote: »

Can you reproduce this exploit with definitive proof that an exploit is even occurring?

I can log in on a toon and sit him in a corner.

If I was enough of a five year old I could also scream impotently into zone instead of being useful.

So yes. Yes I can indeed reproduce at least some of the issues I've mentioned. ^_^

VaranisArano

Testing whether or not the queue exploit is back should be pretty simple. Get a cross faction group and try to queue.

Telel

VaranisArano wrote: »

Testing whether or not the queue exploit is back should be pretty simple. Get a cross faction group and try to queue.

Now what are your thoughts about everything that I listed in the original post?

Joy_Division

Telel wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Testing whether or not the queue exploit is back should be pretty simple. Get a cross faction group and try to queue.

Now what are your thoughts about everything that I listed in the original post?

I think you interpret other people's motives, of which you have zero clue, in the worst possible way and always somehow working against you. The way you casually throw out accusations of spies, outright collaboration (always EP and DC Vs. poor AD), and your gratuitous insults to people who are deeming guilty before proven otherwise is indicative of such a mindset.

I'm still trying to wrap my mind as to how I or other EP would get more AP by allying with a DC group just to beat your group. Wouldn't I get less AP for doing that because I'd have to split it? Why, yes I would. A lot less AP. Or are you trying to imply that the only way I or other EP or DC could beat your group and get that AP in the first place is to ally with another faction? Whoa. Let's not even go there.

Just because your group of 8 gets wiped at a keep by what you think is a "purple" force of 20+ doesn't make it so. Even if you have a video of both of them attacking your group, there are other reasonable scenarios that you are not considering. Or do you feel that the 10 EP must divide up their firepower and ultimate equally between you and the DC, otherwise they are in cahoots? That is ridiculous. In a open keep scenario or a "backcap" attempt, they are going to wait until the other two are engaged and then pounce, hence the appearance of getting double teamed. In a three way keep fight, assuming even odds and even strength - you are going to lose 67% of the time, far more failures than successes, which will further reinforce the "purple alliance" perception.

In the afternoons, even Vivec isn't popped locked and sometimes goes down to 2 bars. I've played more than enough times on low pop servers to know exactly what happens: there is a huge map with few players, so people are going to flock to the first cross swords on the map and zone chat will cream about how some insignificant lumbermill is under attack (they do that even when popped locked, but at least there are other fights). Of course your 8 is going to be descended on by everyone logged in because they're pretty much piranhas looking for action (and AP, so they aren't gong to want to throw half away by allying with an enemy faction). Off time PvP and low pops on a huge map is a terrible combination because it's a formula that concentrates people, which is bad for objective PvP and bad for PvP in general. I don't know why folks bang their head against that, but to each their own.

I don't doubt there are jerks. And I don't doubt that you have been trolled at times because you are a long time established player who genuinely cares about the game and trying to help the AD faction. But, take it from someone who has seen 4 years worth of EP and DC zone chats, EP and DC guild chats, been in teamspeak with a lot of EP and DC players, the name Telel hardly ever ever comes up outside the purely strategic call-outs that your group is at a particular objective. And in such an instance, pretty much all conversation is purely about tactics that only involve us, no "spies," no calling our "purple" friends, none of that nonsense, and that's it. It's on the level. Though sometimes I will admit there are comments about calling animal control because of the werewolf and cat thing. I've been playing this game for 4 years. I have a 5 star DC. I have a 5 star EP. You can believe me or you can go on interpreting anything you think you see as one giant conspiracy aimed to keep you and AD down.

Now that being said, if there is a que exploit, submit proof. There is no need to throw out unsubstantiated accusations and spread rumors.

VaranisArano

Telel wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Testing whether or not the queue exploit is back should be pretty simple. Get a cross faction group and try to queue.

Now what are your thoughts about everything that I listed in the original post?

Did you miss my original post in response to yours? I'm still confused about what's the exploit you are talking about because I haven't seen any better explanation.

Telel

@VaranisArano I've explained the issue quite thoroughly. I'm not sure how else to say 'jackassses are logging in and then just sitting in one spot or actively using alts to sabotage things. Oh and IC is still a pop bar bloating waste of space'. Which is the point of what I'm annoyed by.


@Joy_Division How do you interpret two groups from two different factions that end up dancing together after they wipe out a PUG group while never once engaging the other, and do this routinely? Especially when they never use AOEs that might harm those other players.

Because, again, I keep running into that, and will be happy to post a video showing just that level of scrubishness if you like.

VaranisArano

Okay, I get that its annoying

I'm a staunch EP player. Let's say I decided to break my guild rules, log onto Vivec on my AD Altmer MagSorc and just sit in Faregyl hogging an AD spot and doing nothing for the faction. Or even relaying zone chat info to my buddies back in EP. (And after my guild leads found out I'd done it, promptly get kicked because we only play EP on Vivec)

Last I checked, as long as I'm not using a program to keep myself from logging out from afking, that's not an exploit. Annoying, I'm sure, but not an exploit. (Also, hella boring in my opinion - I doubt you guys sound that much different from EP zone chat drama)

So I agree its annoying and ZOS could do something about faction loyalty, but I don't think that's an exploit. Unless there's something else fishy going on that I'm not understanding that makes it an actual exploit.

I already agreed that I'd prefer separate campaigns for Imperial City.

VaranisArano

Honestly, in my opinion, if someone needs spies in zone chat to tell them what's going on, they don't know how to read a map well enough.

Iskras

Exploit is real...

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VaranisArano

Iskras wrote: »

Exploit is real...

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Still not sure what the supposed exploit is...

Iskras

VaranisArano wrote: »

Iskras wrote: »

Exploit is real...

END!

Still not sure what the supposed exploit is...

- make a group with friends DC/EP/AD and enter in Cyrodiil?

Anyway, in really me to Varanis.

Lucky28

from what you're describing it sounds more like a troll rather than an exploit.

Telel

Using alts to do a combination following.

1) Boosting your AP gains by providing easy targets.

2) extra numbers beyond what's already permitted by the population for one faction.

3) 'spies' who can tell you where your opponents are and or have their camps, and provide a handy source of vicious death bombs.

4) those same 'spies' purposely showing up to sieges and slowing down groups that are already struggling to make headway against certain blobs.

5) just sitting around somewhere safe spamming zone chat with vulgar or 'toxic' idiocy, and or just going AFK for hours on end .

I'm honestly not sure how else I can explain that for a fourth or fifth time before people comprehend what's being said.

VaranisArano

Iskras wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Iskras wrote: »

Exploit is real...

END!

Still not sure what the supposed exploit is...

- make a group with friends DC/EP/AD and enter in Cyrodiil?

Anyway, in really me to Varanis.

Didn't they fix that? Like I said above in the thread, its pretty easy to check if that one is fixed. Make a cross-faction group, queue and if it works, yell at ZOS "You broke it again!"

VaranisArano

Telel wrote: »

Using alts to do a combination following.

1) Boosting your AP gains by providing easy targets.

2) extra numbers beyond what's already permitted by the population for one faction.

3) 'spies' who can tell you where your opponents are and or have their camps, and provide a handy source of vicious death bombs.

4) those same 'spies' purposely showing up to sieges and slowing down groups that are already struggling to make headway against certain blobs.

5) just sitting around somewhere safe spamming zone chat with vulgar or 'toxic' idiocy, and or just going AFK for hours on end .

I'm honestly not sure how else I can explain that for a fourth or fifth time before people comprehend what's being said.

#1, #3-5 are annoying AF. I totally get that.

But its not an exploit. There's no rules that say "You must be good at playing for your current faction in PVP." There's not even a rule that says you can't spy for the other team. #5 is possibly against the TOS depending on what they are saying - if it violates the TOS, report them, please.

#2 is an exploit if they are abusing the queue bug that ZOS fixed. Do we have any evidence that the queue bug is back? If it is, I want that fixed ASAP.

Telel

Are you saying the game is intended to be played that way?

Because if not then yes, it is indeed an exploit of intended mechanics. Not to mention various other TOS violations.

Not to mention that ZOS has in fact banned people in the past for AP boosting, and 'sabotaging' other people's PVP experience. The mid year mayhem outpost swapping is just one of the most obvious examples of this.

VaranisArano

Telel wrote: »

Are you saying the game is intended to be played that way?

Because if not then yes, it is indeed an exploit of intended mechanics. Not to mention various other TOS violations.

Not to mention that ZOS has in fact banned people in the past for AP boosting, and 'sabotaging' other people's PVP experience. The mid year mayhem outpost swapping is just one of the most obvious examples of this.

AP boosting and swapping objectives, yeah that's an exploit.

But sitting AFK or spying on Alts and basically not playing like you are loyal to your active faction? Since when has ZOS said that's an exploit? Multi-faction play is intended play right now, as far as I can tell. I don't like it, but AD and DC players who run around EP zone generalling aren't breaking any rules that I can find.

Edited:

So I'll amend my post, since I misunderstood point #1.

#1 is an exploit if people are AP feeding and objective swapping. We know that, as ZOS has banned for it before. Report those players.
#2 is an exploit, but ZOS fixed it. If its broke again, that's easy to test and report because ZOS needs to fix it again ASAP. But if it isn't broke, I don't see the reason to bring it up again.
#3 Spies are annoying, but not against the game rules. At least, I can't find that anywhere.
#4 Deliberately being a bad player is annoying, but not against the game rules that I can find.
#5 Being toxic and vulgar is zone chat is annoying and definitely not limited to alt-playing players from other factions. Possibly against the TOS depending on what is being said. Check the TOS and Code and Conduct and report them if they violate it. Otherwise, its annoying but probably not against the rules.

Priyasekarssk

Telel wrote: »

First of all my apologies for not doing this in a khajiit style but these gross acts of unsportsmanlike conduct have simply continue for to long with no real action on the part of ZOS.

This entire rant is also entirely aimed at the mid afternoon time slot I play in. YMMV during other time periods as I am not around then to look at things.

For a long long time people have been using alts to both boost their AP gains, provide them with 'spies' so they don't have to think to hard, spam zone chat, and add extra numbers when a 220 queue worth of people just isn't enough to fight 1 bar of opponents.

I'm sure we all remember when hundreds of players from the EU, and console servers were supposedly punished for this kind of behavior. I even have a video clip of a certain group of supposedly 'good' players resorting to using two groups from opposing factions to boost their AP and help them farm PUGs on an outnumbered faction.

Then there was the population exploit that let other factions exploit more people onto the server using alts. Supposedly zenimax fixed this, but then they rolled back some changes and the supposedly fixed population bars suddenly returned to their old state.

All of which have been part of last year of daily routine suffered any AD playing during the mid afternoon time period.

However over the last week this has once more gotten immensely blatant. So blatant there are large groups of 'spies' just sitting AFK in cyrodiil. And of course there are still the infantile trolls who squeal into zone chat about how 'good' they are while also telling their friends where to find camps, sieges, etc. There are also there are also the scrubs who show up to purposely sabotage sieges so their friends can 'win' against the 'zerging bads'....

And then there's also the 'purple' scrubs who use multiple factions worth of players to both boost their numbers, and give themselves more numers than any single faction allows. If you call that paranoid I have video of just that thing being done today at Vlastrus.

Finally there's the wastes of server space that are people in IC. Not only do they refuse to go to a quieter server or PVP, their presence actively harms the chances of the outnumbered faction remaining competitive without night capping. Especially when combined with the multiude of 'spies' doing their best to be the most useless things in the game.

All of that makes it damn near impossible for a faction to put up anything approaching the numbers routinely thrown at empty keeps by certain other opponents. And about the tenth time your PUG of 8 gets wiped by a combined group of 20+ it's just not worth staying on to watch yet another keep end up being double teamed by folks 'looking for good fights'.

And after a year of it....well it's just sad to see such antics being eagerly employed by certain individuals.

I really really really hope ZOS starts to do something about this blatant griefing and exploiting , and soon. Otherwise there's just no point logging into cyro to do the same thing I've been doing for four years now. heck even if Sommerset brings a major revamp to how the map is won this kind of unsporting conduct still needs to be addressed.

I completely agree. When I play with AD toons in non CP campaigns , there is hardly any players to fight. Population is 3 bars all the time. Population is manipulated in many ways.

I'm sure we all remember when hundreds of players from the EU, and console servers were supposedly punished for this kind of behavior. I even have a video clip of a certain group of supposedly 'good' players resorting to using two groups from opposing factions to boost their AP and help them farm PUGs on an outnumbered faction.

Absolutely , I 100 percent agree with above statement. I see some DC players does this in non CP campaigns. I dont see any EP or AD players does atleast as of now . Again its against individual player , not faction. All they do is lure people looking for groups. Separate them from main force . Get them all the way to glade to get slaughtered by DC. There is no common sense to attack glade when alessia is stormed by 20-30 EP and only 5-10 ADs to defend it. When I asked the group leader , why do you that ? No answers. He is just helping fellow DC players to farm AP thats it.Ask any AD guild player who players in lower level campaign.

AD guild players often have seperate groups. They have to be accommodate new bies similar to EP. Mostly they left alone this problem is on multiple fold now. Guild players response is what if is he is a spy ? Absolutely. I cannot refute their point.
ZOs does nothing against these players nor change game mechanics. They only support this exploitation.

When DC keep is being attacked , DC arrives in no time. Its not the case when attacking EP keeps. Many of the time AD players wondered how they arrive so quickly, even before or just keep is flagged.

EP players often doesnt have this problem , because they have group leaders who lead the team well and they are faction loyal. Group leaders are often well known to each other.

Priyasekarssk

Lucky28 wrote: »

from what you're describing it sounds more like a troll rather than an exploit.

Are you another exploiter or you even PVP either ? I agree 100 percent what OP says. Many agree. Dont get yourself banned.

Iskras

irony is not the forte of some ...

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back to the topic

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Priyasekarssk

VaranisArano wrote: »

Iskras wrote: »

Exploit is real...

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Still not sure what the supposed exploit is...

Exploit is mentioned below for your information. EP players rarely affected.

I completely agree with OP. When I play with AD toons in non CP campaigns , there is hardly any players to fight. Population is 3 bars all the time. Population is manipulated in many ways.

I'm sure we all remember when hundreds of players from the EU, and console servers were supposedly punished for this kind of behavior. I even have a video clip of a certain group of supposedly 'good' players resorting to using two groups from opposing factions to boost their AP and help them farm PUGs on an outnumbered faction.

Absolutely , I 100 percent agree with above statement. I see some DC players does this in non CP campaigns. I dont see any EP or AD players does atleast as of now . Again its against individual player , not faction. All they do is lure people looking for groups. Separate them from main force . Get them all the way to glade to get slaughtered by DC. There is no common sense to attack glade when alessia is stormed by 20-30 EP and only 5-10 ADs to defend it. When I asked the group leader , why do you that ? No answers. He is just helping fellow DC players to farm AP thats it.Ask any AD guild player who players in lower level campaign.

When DC keep is being attacked , DC group arrives in no time. Its not the case when attacking EP keeps. When DC keep is being attacked , DC arrives in no time. Its not the case when attacking EP keeps. Many of the time AD players wondered how they arrive so quickly, even before or just keep is flagged.

AD guild players often have seperate groups. They have to be accommodate new bies similar to EP. Mostly they left alone this problem is on multiple fold now. Guild players response is what if is he is a spy ? Absolutely. I cannot refute their point.
ZOs does nothing against these players nor change game mechanics. They only support this exploitation.


EP players often doesnt have this problem , because they have group leaders who lead the team well and they are faction loyal. Group leaders are often well known to each other.

Iskras

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Iskras wrote: »

Exploit is real...

END!

Still not sure what the supposed exploit is...

Exploit is mentioned below for your information. EP players rarely affected.

I completely agree with OP. When I play with AD toons in non CP campaigns , there is hardly any players to fight. Population is 3 bars all the time. Population is manipulated in many ways.

I'm sure we all remember when hundreds of players from the EU, and console servers were supposedly punished for this kind of behavior. I even have a video clip of a certain group of supposedly 'good' players resorting to using two groups from opposing factions to boost their AP and help them farm PUGs on an outnumbered faction.

Absolutely , I 100 percent agree with above statement. I see some DC players does this in non CP campaigns. I dont see any EP or AD players does atleast as of now . Again its against individual player , not faction. All they do is lure people looking for groups. Separate them from main force . Get them all the way to glade to get slaughtered by DC. There is no common sense to attack glade when alessia is stormed by 20-30 EP and only 5-10 ADs to defend it. When I asked the group leader , why do you that ? No answers. He is just helping fellow DC players to farm AP thats it.Ask any AD guild player who players in lower level campaign. I dont think vivec have this problem.

When DC keep is being attacked , DC group arrives in no time. Its not the case when attacking EP keeps.

AD guild players often have seperate groups. They have to be accommodate new bies similar to EP. Mostly they left alone this problem is on multiple fold now. Guild players response is what if is he is a spy ? Absolutely. I cannot refute their point.
ZOs does nothing against these players nor change game mechanics. They only support this exploitation.


EP players often doesnt have this problem , because they have group leaders who lead the team well and they are faction loyal. Group leaders are often well known to each other.

You ll repeat this 'thing'...for long?

Telel

@VaranisArano if people are purposely engaging in behavior designed to disrupt another player's experience simply 'for the lols' then is that not a case of harassment?

And if they do it from a position where the targeted individuals can not respond beyond quitting the game is that not then an exploit of intended game mechanics?

Because the scrubs who need to sink to these depths are not doing it to help their side win. That it lets certain guilds zerg harder is just a side effect of this unsporting conduct.

NyassaV

wut

Priyasekarssk

Iskras wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Iskras wrote: »

Exploit is real...

END!

Still not sure what the supposed exploit is...

Exploit is mentioned below for your information. EP players rarely affected.

I completely agree with OP. When I play with AD toons in non CP campaigns , there is hardly any players to fight. Population is 3 bars all the time. Population is manipulated in many ways.

I'm sure we all remember when hundreds of players from the EU, and console servers were supposedly punished for this kind of behavior. I even have a video clip of a certain group of supposedly 'good' players resorting to using two groups from opposing factions to boost their AP and help them farm PUGs on an outnumbered faction.

Absolutely , I 100 percent agree with above statement. I see some DC players does this in non CP campaigns. I dont see any EP or AD players does atleast as of now . Again its against individual player , not faction. All they do is lure people looking for groups. Separate them from main force . Get them all the way to glade to get slaughtered by DC. There is no common sense to attack glade when alessia is stormed by 20-30 EP and only 5-10 ADs to defend it. When I asked the group leader , why do you that ? No answers. He is just helping fellow DC players to farm AP thats it.Ask any AD guild player who players in lower level campaign. I dont think vivec have this problem.

When DC keep is being attacked , DC group arrives in no time. Its not the case when attacking EP keeps.

AD guild players often have seperate groups. They have to be accommodate new bies similar to EP. Mostly they left alone this problem is on multiple fold now. Guild players response is what if is he is a spy ? Absolutely. I cannot refute their point.
ZOs does nothing against these players nor change game mechanics. They only support this exploitation.


EP players often doesnt have this problem , because they have group leaders who lead the team well and they are faction loyal. Group leaders are often well known to each other.

You ll repeat this 'thing'...for long?

I dont get it. I just said whats happening. Again, I am not faction loyal. I wont cheaply spy.

Iskras

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Iskras wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Iskras wrote: »

Exploit is real...

END!

Still not sure what the supposed exploit is...

Exploit is mentioned below for your information. EP players rarely affected.

I completely agree with OP. When I play with AD toons in non CP campaigns , there is hardly any players to fight. Population is 3 bars all the time. Population is manipulated in many ways.

I'm sure we all remember when hundreds of players from the EU, and console servers were supposedly punished for this kind of behavior. I even have a video clip of a certain group of supposedly 'good' players resorting to using two groups from opposing factions to boost their AP and help them farm PUGs on an outnumbered faction.

Absolutely , I 100 percent agree with above statement. I see some DC players does this in non CP campaigns. I dont see any EP or AD players does atleast as of now . Again its against individual player , not faction. All they do is lure people looking for groups. Separate them from main force . Get them all the way to glade to get slaughtered by DC. There is no common sense to attack glade when alessia is stormed by 20-30 EP and only 5-10 ADs to defend it. When I asked the group leader , why do you that ? No answers. He is just helping fellow DC players to farm AP thats it.Ask any AD guild player who players in lower level campaign. I dont think vivec have this problem.

When DC keep is being attacked , DC group arrives in no time. Its not the case when attacking EP keeps.

AD guild players often have seperate groups. They have to be accommodate new bies similar to EP. Mostly they left alone this problem is on multiple fold now. Guild players response is what if is he is a spy ? Absolutely. I cannot refute their point.
ZOs does nothing against these players nor change game mechanics. They only support this exploitation.


EP players often doesnt have this problem , because they have group leaders who lead the team well and they are faction loyal. Group leaders are often well known to each other.

You ll repeat this 'thing'...for long?

I dont get it. I just said whats happening. Again, I am not faction loyal. I wont cheaply spy.

ok.

VaranisArano

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

from what you're describing it sounds more like a troll rather than an exploit.

Are you another exploiter or you even PVP either ? I agree 100 percent what OP says. Many agree. Dont get yourself banned.

Seriously? I would also agree that people playing alt characters and spying, deliberately messing around with siege, or being rude (short of breaking TOS, of course) in zone chat sounds more like trolling than an actual exploit. Even going into another faction, grabbing their PUGs and going somewhere useless/to get slaughtered like you describe isn't actually against any rules I can find. If you know where the rules say differently, please point them out (because there's some AD and DC players I'd like to report for it).

The AP swapping and unknown-if-actually-occurring-queue-bug-that-ZOS-says-is-fixed or breaking TOS in zone chat would actually be exploits. Report those guys.