Menelaos wrote: »

This topic - along with some of the answers - seems to insinuate another question, one that appears to be more hidden between the lines:

"Should we have a convenient CP wall that takes the responsibilities from us and shields us from low-CP scrubs that ruin our pro experience?"

There is something already in place for that, it's called a guild. Just the people who are so awesome in group finder seemly also have trouble finding guilds to run with... I wonder if there is a connection.

this is already proposed within the existing thread inside this category:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/394288/suggestion-to-devs-split-off-vet-dlc-dungeons-in-random-group-finder#latest

There's absolutely NO reason for someone under CP160 to be in vet dungeon.

Menelaos wrote: »

This topic - along with some of the answers - seems to insinuate another question, one that appears to be more hidden between the lines:

"Should we have a convenient CP wall that takes the responsibilities from us and shields us from low-CP scrubs that ruin our pro experience?"

I have news for you, there are difficulty tiers in this game, whether you wish to believe they exist or not. The old zones handled this. Hell, leveling to 50 semi-handles this.

If you want a prime example, go run Vet Banished Cells. Then take a stroll through Vet ScaleCaller. You'll notice a spike, even though the group is exactly the same.


Here's the Catch 22:

• People get upset when they're told they can't enter certain content.
• People get upset when they do enter that content and have zero chance of clearing it.

This one's a no-win, either way. It's why I like the guantlet/certification/experience score, if you will, idea.

It will show capability of the player, much more than CP's can alone. It should be coupled with useful (not loading screen quality) suggestions on how to improve at a role. No more fake tanks/heals/dps. No more CP900's that don't have a clue. No more exclusion of that CP170 that is a mechanics-based badass.

Even then, there will be differences in player level/skill/ability. Nothing in game will ever change that, and for better or worse, it always becomes painfully evident in short order the moment your group faces a challenge.

My 2 cents, which I won't assume is worth any more than that. This is coming from the perspective of someone who just recently hit 580 CP and still kinda/sorta sucks. I play several DPS and a budding tank, who's game play I actually enjoy even if I'm not part of the DK herd and am constantly being told that NB's should que as DPS or Heals, not tank.

So why do I sorta suck? I don't know all the mechanics like "everyone else" because while I was leveling up, I kept reading chatter of how if you're not at least CP 160 you're wasting someone's dungeon slot. But you know, I do my homework...for a frigging video game..to watch vids and learn what sadistic 1HK ZOS has for this dungeon, or what "fun" mechanics of dodge dancing they decided to make us all jump through.

I've had some really *** experiences group wise, and some really great ones, and the great ones had one (or sometimes both) of two things in common:

1) People weren't entitled about their game. They didn't assume I emerged from the womb as a ESO expert with top level gear and intimate knowledge of every class' challenges. They were instead patient, made a couple of suggestions, rezzed and tried again. No *** fest, no nerd raging trash talk, just things like "hey bud, when that cone comes out, you got to dodge out of it immediately as it's one of ZOS's *** 1hk "fun" things".

2) VOIP. I've had the privlidge of being invited to people's discord for some vet runs I've been in and omg what a difference that makes. The person who knows the mechanics intimately can call it out before it happens, like this amazing Sorc Tank I was in Mazzatun with who taught 2 of us that dungeon to where not only did our noob asses help clear it, we did it with no wipes (a few deaths with Chudan and his poison crap). I still remember his calm tone as he called out warnings, where to go, and what not.

So IMHO where ZOS is playing the cheap game is by not including a group chat channel for its customers to be automatically logged into when a group is formed. Yes..I know, that brings it's own hassles and people are *** when they have the annonymity of the monitor ...but if ZOS had a decent reporting system and handed out bans appropriately, over time people would become civil enough for a included voip to become an asset.

I have a love/hate relationship with the dungeons. I like that they're difficult, but the real problem is that you go from the baby pool (normal) being utterly trashed by high cp chars while you learn nothing, to suddenly being tossed into the raging Atlantic ocean as mechanics and 1HK's slap you silly. The DLC are designed to be hard for non-pug groups, and that's where having the dungeon finder having just Vet and Norm as choices is a weak/lazy design. The level of difficulty the DLC Vet dungeons represent warrant a 3rd tier for difficulty settings, it should be:

Normal/Adventurer/Veteran

The mechanics of the 2nd tier would be a middle ground between the two ends in difficulty. The monster masks start to drop, but in blue quality and the only 1HK would be the final boss and less of the mad dashing around multitasking. That would the people who are ESO lifers/day 1 jobbers a progression path in lieu of a VOIP client coming with the game. Sadly, I don't think any of the suggestions in this thread will be acted on, ZOS is too tight with the payroll and dumps the burden squarely onto the players. The irony is, if they did either they'd be more successful as a business.

There should be a poll when you queue for a Vet Dungeon, saying:

"Red circles are great, I love standing in them all day long!"
Y / N

"A tank doesn't need a taunt skill and people shouldn't fuss about that sort of thing."
Y / N

Answering "Yes" to any of these would deny your queue request.

720 fools in dungeons LA,LA,LA, with sub 9k DPS, and have no idea of simple mechanics like red circles and bash.

CP should NOT be the metric.. there needs to be a qualifier for each role that must be completed BEFORE you can queue for that role. The qualifier should scale for normal versus VET.