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Mag blade is too op ( pvp )
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✭✭✭✭Short simplified version = I find it difficult to beat magblades. Since I can't beat them as easily as I like, I think they should be nerfed.
Op, play another class or take a break from the game. Balance doesn't necessarily mean that every class/build should be able to easily beat another. Normally, archers should do heavy damage against mages. Mages should do huge damage against heavy armor wearers, etc.
Ha! I *wish* Sorcs did huge damage against heavy armor wearers. That hasn’t been the case since Morrowind dropped, sustain took a nerf, sharpened became near useless, and we haven’t been able to wear penetration sets like Spinner.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭There's a massive combo I already encountered several times in battlegrounds:
Soul Tether + X + Steel Tornado (2x, 3x)
It's very efficient and it can kill a group of people if done by a player who knows how to use it.
I find it hilarious that some here don't see the recent issues with (Stam)Nightblades. Nightblades at the moment are too strong. Point. Let it be damage, sustain, CC or defense/self healing, they're at the top. Both specs. Due to bugs or an amazing toolkit doesn't matter in the end. There will be some adjustments and nerfs in the next patch because it's necessary.Edited by Seraphayel on April 1, 2018 5:24AMPS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -0 -
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✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »Avran_Sylt wrote: »@Skander
Actually, Magblade is one of the easiest classes to make up for your mistakes, since they can use cloak so much. While Roll-dodge can avoid damage, cloak allows you to actually mislead your opponents into thinking you went another way.
But, if that cloak is taken away. Yeah. They're gonna die. Especially if they're only full damage. A horrible, extremely quick, death.
Cloak is a nice unique skill that i dont want removed i only want damage nerfed because its soo far off compared to other classes. For example why run a sorc or mag warden?Ihatenightblades wrote: »Name me a class that can pull off 30k damage ( pvp ) in 2 seconds.
Dragonknight
Nightblade
Sorceror
Templar
Warden
U wish those classes can pull off 30k in 1-2 seconds
My sorc can pull it off repeatedly on my gank build and he is not optimized completely. My buddy who runs a similar build can do 35k...... so I don't know why* you say other classes can't do it.
Edit from where to why*Edited by OGLezard on April 1, 2018 5:42AM0 -
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✭DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Name me a class that can pull off 30k damage ( pvp ) in 2 seconds. Il wait....
( tether - relentless - impale ) All while wearing you down with heal debuffs snares immobilizations etc.
overload gank is just as bad as a tether relentless impale combo
100% one shot rate with an overload gank build
When I'm on my DK, almost every overload ganker ends up dead.
They don't seem to have the reaction to dodge their own skills.
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✭✭✭✭✭Am I the only one who finds Impale to be absolute crap?
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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OGLezard✭✭✭✭✭
✭kyle.wilson wrote: »DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Name me a class that can pull off 30k damage ( pvp ) in 2 seconds. Il wait....
( tether - relentless - impale ) All while wearing you down with heal debuffs snares immobilizations etc.
overload gank is just as bad as a tether relentless impale combo
100% one shot rate with an overload gank build
When I'm on my DK, almost every overload ganker ends up dead.
They don't seem to have the reaction to dodge their own skills.
Thats when you know it's a noob sorc ganker
if you see flaps, I don't even both attempting unless they are distracted 0 -
Dojohoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Magblades are OP? Phhhht
Cry me a river, maybe you can float out of Cyrodiil.Edited by Dojohoda on April 1, 2018 6:56AMFan of playing magblade since 2015. (PC NA)
Might be joking in comments.
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Dredlord✭✭✭✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »stamblades are the problem, not magblades
Stam blades too but they are atleast squishy. Magblades can teleport back and forth just spamming range attacks then boom 30k
Combo outa nowhere. Its broken
You try play magblade, it's not that easy
Correction, very easy...1 -
randomkeyhits✭✭✭✭✭Peekachu99 wrote: »How about someone, anyone, everyone uses Magelight or Evil Hunter for its actual purpose rather than just letting it rot on their bars and then QQing about not using a skill they’ve been staring at for 4 years.
Its true...
I main a stamblade and have magelight on my bar and I've been in groups which run around a keep like headless chickens.
I pop magelight and the enemy blade gets revealed and eight times out of ten they can't cope and are taken down easily. With the other two I start stealthing because I'm now a target
In some builds I don't use it but its the work of a moment to slot and then cast it until the blade is dealt with.
The thing is open field, the advantage is with the blade, they don't have to close to detection distance until ready. In a keep however the advantage is with the other side, the blade is in hostile territory. Like with so many abilities, its all contextual.EU PS41 -
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Its so freakin bad....
I wonder if I still have the video of my Impale being dodged 3 times then hitting a guy at like 10% for 2k damage.....I would of been better off using EVERY single other skill in the game.
After that happen I just took it off the bar...https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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GreenSoup2HoT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭a timed combo'd burst coming from a magblade is not a problem in my opinion. i wish zenimax would turn down dots/hots effectiveness across the board.PS4 NA DC0 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d2-6CnjGvs
@Ihatenightblades Learn to block. Every single class can hit 30k with battle spirit, within two seconds.Edited by Judas Helviaryn on April 1, 2018 9:08AM2 -
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✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Ectheliontnacil wrote: »Sorc: curse>endless fury>dawnbreaker>frags
If all those land were looking at 50k or more dmg here.
And tether-relentless-impale doesn't exist. If anything it's merciless...just shows that OP doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.
I have been hit with that combo plenty times its nowhere near the magblade burst it might hit u 50k but not my build lol.
Theoretically the sorc burst is higher and if you get hit with all of that stuff in one GCD you'll going to just evaporate. The only problem is human error and also your opponents skill level it's hard to get everything to land as soon as curse explodes you are basically trying to time 4 abilities to go off at once while as a magblade you only need 2. But if you just look at tooltip damage frag actually has a higher tooltip damage than incap while curse and dbos smiting together has a higher tooltip than merciless. Combined with wrath the sorc combo is actually harder hitting but not very practical... The magblade combo can be counterd. Because the spectral bow is a projectile you can actually cc break from incap or soul tether and block the bow before you take any damage even if it's fired at point blank range. Most players don't cc break that fast though and unless you are fighting duelist most players don't even know you can do this
No they dont dude nobody has equal amount of burst as mag blade if you think so you haven't had enough experience in game.
Every single class in the game magicka or stamina can get a 30k burst if you just look at tooltips.Edited by pieratsos on April 1, 2018 10:00AM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I´ve started to use detection pots more often since nightblades became more popular again. Made my life so much easier. I still die to good nightblades 1v1, but I´m surprised how many nigthblade that starts to panic once they can´t reset the fight with cloak.2 -
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✭✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »Name me a class that can pull off 30k damage ( pvp ) in 2 seconds. Il wait....
( tether - relentless - impale ) All while wearing you down with heal debuffs snares immobilizations etc. too op
Break free from the CC from tether and roll/block Relentless. You can do this and avoid the hit from Relentless as long as your reaction time is faster than the ingame mailbox system.DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »time to kill for sure is too low right now...damage is so high
Time to kill is too low in ESO, good joke mate
It's time to adapt, I'm glad that you don't get imunity against death when wearing heavy armor anymore I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.2 -
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✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »
don't know what exploit is in that video, but that guy threw a flame staff heavy attack in 0.1 seconds after firing the frags.-PC EU- / battlegrounds on my youtube1 -
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✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Time to kill is too low in ESO, good joke mate It's time to adapt, I'm glad that you don't get imunity against death when wearing heavy armor anymore
Well thats the thing. Balance is so screwed up that time to kill is way too high and way too low at the same time. You can one shot one guy without even using an ult but tickle the next guy with a full combo and lucky crits. I think its time to bring some sort of softcaps back.1 -
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✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Name me a class that can pull off 30k damage ( pvp ) in 2 seconds. Il wait....
( tether - relentless - impale ) All while wearing you down with heal debuffs snares immobilizations etc. too op
Break free from the CC from tether and roll/block Relentless. You can do this and avoid the hit from Relentless as long as your reaction time is faster than the ingame mailbox system.DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »time to kill for sure is too low right now...damage is so high
Time to kill is too low in ESO, good joke mate It's time to adapt, I'm glad that you don't get imunity against death when wearing heavy armor anymore
i would like not being hit by 6k subterrenean assaults in heavy armor too.I meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
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Murador178✭✭✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »Name me a class that can pull off 30k damage ( pvp ) in 2 seconds. Il wait....
( tether - relentless - impale ) All while wearing you down with heal debuffs snares immobilizations etc. too op
u know u can CC break into rolldodge... . Except its lagging as hell any decent player will cc- break block or cc break and roll. Nb is the best pug stomping class so, but all nightblade burst is very telegraphed and easy to avoid. But calling others casual - in a casual game -and not being able to cc break fast - maybe we can find the mistake there hmmmm...
A harder to pull of higher dmg combo on sorc:
curse -meteor -frags- unblockable CC - frags curse and meteor hit same time and are completely uncounterable if timed correct - this is a way to kill medium armor players without giving them a way to counter it.
mag warden: ground aoe - cliffrace - bear ult
stamplar- PoL - jabs - dbos- execute
There are hard hitting combos out there. Mag nightblade for sure doesnt shine at duels only bc of burst - its all about cripple/shadow image kiting - disabling people from getting to you.
But why do i discuss even with a clear troll probably new to the game that got burst by a mag nb and made a forum post.Edited by Murador178 on April 1, 2018 10:20AM1 -
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✭Am I the only one who finds Impale to be absolute crap?
Definitely. Going back to Impale after playing a sorc with Endless Fury felt like I was giving up my car to drive one of the Power Wheels kids play with:
Edited by arkansas_ESO on April 1, 2018 11:53AMＦＯＲＵＭＰＬＡＲ
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Proxy will only 1 shot surrounded by other players plus you need VD and a ultimate by his self way different.
Says the person who was hit for 30k by two none ultimate abilities. Yea your build sucks donkey balls and you should feel bad.Ihatenightblades wrote: »Unfadingsilence wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »stamblades are the problem, not magblades
Stam blades too but they are atleast squishy. Magblades can teleport back and forth just spamming range attacks then boom 30k
Combo outa nowhere. Its broken
I do the same thing with mag sorc, and mag dk as well tho 24k leap OP and the new meta sorc 2 shot with overload is OP as well
Ya dude you must be low cp with low resistance i never get hit that hard by leap you doin something wrong.
The problem is with magblades you can have a full tanky build and it won't matter. Thats the difference
There are certain abilities that can one hit someone. Inevitable detonation is one such ability. Although that more relies on enemy zergs being present and in close proximity.
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✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »Name me a class that can pull off 30k damage ( pvp ) in 2 seconds. Il wait....
( tether - relentless - impale ) All while wearing you down with heal debuffs snares immobilizations etc. too op
As long as I have been PvPing, I have never seen or don't recall those high numbers in any of my deathcap; particularly from a MagBlade. When I was playing a MagBlade, I also never seen those numbers of damages going out. Must be some squishy build to have received those high hits from a MagBlade, or something fishy going on there with that toon. Although.. with the AOE cap gone, and the MagBlade spamming Sap Essence with the Eye of the Storm, yeah, you can surely disintegrate fairly quick, if you're not careful.0 -
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✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »
don't know what exploit is in that video, but that guy threw a flame staff heavy attack in 0.1 seconds after firing the frags.
It's a medium attack, and that's ACing, my friend.Edited by Judas Helviaryn on April 1, 2018 4:37PM1 -
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✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »
don't know what exploit is in that video, but that guy threw a flame staff heavy attack in 0.1 seconds after firing the frags.
It's a medium attack, and that's ACing, my friend.
It's ironic, considering their signature.Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!1 -
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✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »
don't know what exploit is in that video, but that guy threw a flame staff heavy attack in 0.1 seconds after firing the frags.
It's a medium attack, and that's ACing, my friend.
it's not ani cancel, he just uses light attack after firing the frags, that's common. But it has two projectiles just like a heavy attack, the light attack has just one projectile visual-PC EU- / battlegrounds on my youtube1 -
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✭NB's do need to be looked at in general
They are the top of all PvE and PvP damage specs with multiple variations (Gankblade, bomblade, battleblade heavy blur build)
Sorcs cant even match their parses in PvE
I'm not saying nerf NB's, but perhaps buff the other classes that need it to be on-par with them
Edited by Nelson_Rebel on April 1, 2018 8:32PM0
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