Templars - major sorcery and major brutality
Zildjian2112
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Why are templars the only class in the game with no class access to major sorcery and major brutality? Its a tacked on benefit to skills for all other classes but we are forced to use a slot specifically for entropy or use spell power pots. I know alot of people use entropy or rally anyway because the skills that MS and MB come from can be garbage as well. Id just like to see some fairness and at least give me a chance to get it from a skill i might find useful for something other than that buff.
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josiahva✭✭✭✭✭
✭If spellcrafting were to be introduced, THIS is the type of thing I would use it to address, the lack of buffs(albeit at a more expensive price) to those classes without acess3 -
Yolokin_Swagonborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Because its a defining attribute of the templar class to lack things other classes have. And then to make up for it by having a house, which keeps getting nerfed so they end up with nothing.41 -
Cinbri✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Because its a defining attribute of the templar class to lack things other classes have. And then to make up for it by having a house, which keeps getting nerfed so they end up with nothing.
Yet one more of pain points of Templar class.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭You get minor sorcery though.PS4 / NA
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Cinbri✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭You get minor sorcery though.
Well, its group-based passive that has similar specific effects through other classes - Mountain's Blessing of dk, Exploitation for sorcs, Hemorrhage of nbs, Maturation for wardens. Yet, them all also have class access to major sorc/brutality, even despite some prefer Entropy.1 -
akredon_ESO✭✭✭✭Pfft i miss major mending Really pissed they took that away from us it really helped with Survival especially on stamplar9 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Idk. I get that buff from potions as it is. In PvE when dps matters that’s what a player will use.1 -
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✭To my knowledge, nightblades only get this through sap essence which, unless you are a bomb blade, no one really uses it. I use Spell pots or Entropy. I suppose it could be added to a build but when thinking of my build...I can't think of a slot to lose to use Sap Essence. But it's there at least. Just in an odd spot if you ask me but I can't think of where it COULD go in a NB's tree. I do remember watching a flawless speed run VMA build video and the guy had sap essence but I couldn't run that build. I am too clumsy.
I am unfamiliar with Templars outside of healing builds. The fact they don't have access to this is a little staggering for me. Sorceres have the easiest access to this with Power Surge. Not that this is a #nerfsorcs thread but I think this should be as accessible for all the classes as they are for Sorcs. I love my sorc for this reason.
But I am bad with insightfulness. I forget everything. I can't even tell you more than 2 passives of a nightblade and I have main a Mageblade for 2 1/2 years.
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✭✭✭TBH no one really uses their class-based Major Brutality/Sorcery except Warden. In PvE everyone uses pots. In PvP most classes use Rally/Forward Momentum or Entropy. Ocassionally Sorcs use Surge.Invictus
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Elsterchen✭✭✭✭✭
✭TBH no one really uses their class-based Major Brutality/Sorcery except Warden. In PvE everyone uses pots. In PvP most classes use Rally/Forward Momentum or Entropy. Ocassionally Sorcs use Surge.
TBH ... I recast shrouded daggers (hidden blade morph) every 19 s for Major brutality, just to have something adding to my DPS. I would welcome any synergy/ form to utilize this buff with class passives any time.
btw: anyone getting laggy response with this ability, too? Or is it just the channeltime from jabs messing things up now and then?Edited by Elsterchen on March 20, 2018 6:44PM1 -
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✭TBH no one really uses their class-based Major Brutality/Sorcery except Warden. In PvE everyone uses pots. In PvP most classes use Rally/Forward Momentum or Entropy. Ocassionally Sorcs use Surge.
TBH, I use them all the time. So no, not everyone wastes a slot on rally/entropy or uses pots for something they can get from elsewhere.There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man, true nobility is being superior to your former self
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✭✭✭TBH no one really uses their class-based Major Brutality/Sorcery except Warden. In PvE everyone uses pots. In PvP most classes use Rally/Forward Momentum or Entropy. Ocassionally Sorcs use Surge.
TBH, I use them all the time. So no, not everyone wastes a slot on rally/entropy or uses pots for something they can get from elsewhere.
TBH I don't know why you're coming off so angry. What I said is in fact true for most optimized sets ups. What skills you run on whatever build you're rocking is cool by me bro but it doesn't change the fact that what I said is largely true.Invictus
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Elsterchen✭✭✭✭✭
✭TBH no one really uses their class-based Major Brutality/Sorcery except Warden. In PvE everyone uses pots. In PvP most classes use Rally/Forward Momentum or Entropy. Ocassionally Sorcs use Surge.
TBH, I use them all the time. So no, not everyone wastes a slot on rally/entropy or uses pots for something they can get from elsewhere.
TBH I don't know why you're coming off so angry. What I said is in fact true for most optimized sets ups. What skills you run on whatever build you're rocking is cool by me bro but it doesn't change the fact that what I said is largely true.
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✭✭In PvE most people either rely on a DK tank or their class skills for the buff. Unless you're in a hard DLC dungeon boss fight or doing hard vet trials its just not worth the cost.
Templars simply have to use a mage guild skill, not that bad given you only do it on easy content.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭TBH no one really uses their class-based Major Brutality/Sorcery except Warden. In PvE everyone uses pots. In PvP most classes use Rally/Forward Momentum or Entropy. Ocassionally Sorcs use Surge.
Endgame min/max PvE players use potions. But that is a minuscule part of the player base. I can understand how the vast majority of regular players would like access to the most popular buffs without having to farm flowers all day or spend enormous sums of gold on spell/weapon power potions.1 -
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✭✭✭✭My concern is that while zos trying unify concepts of classes, this particular thing is hole in this idea.
1. All classes have passive that apply on group and imitate minor buffs, as I described above.
2. All classes have access to major defensive buffs like Major Ward/Resolve.
3. All classes have access to major offensive buffs. Nope, here is conception failing.3 -
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At least you gain some spell resistance ... its not much, I agree, but its something and its not a non-stackable buff but plainly added to existing spell resistance. Now please take a look at minor sorcery again and give me anything a stamina based char using stamina based abilities gains from this buff. Then we can talk.0 -
Ashamray✭✭✭✭✭Elsterchen wrote: »
At least you gain some spell resistance ... its not much, I agree, but its something and its not a non-stackable buff but plainly added to existing spell resistance. Now please take a look at minor sorcery again and give me anything a stamina based char using stamina based abilities gains from this buff. Then we can talk.
Each class has its minor buff. It's a feature of combat, nothing to discuss here really. You can have your minor brutality due to DK on top of damage granted by passive.
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✭Elsterchen wrote: »
At least you gain some spell resistance ... its not much, I agree, but its something and its not a non-stackable buff but plainly added to existing spell resistance. Now please take a look at minor sorcery again and give me anything a stamina based char using stamina based abilities gains from this buff. Then we can talk.
Each class has its minor buff. It's a feature of combat, nothing to discuss here really. You can have your minor brutality due to DK on top of damage granted by passive.
Not trying to be picky, just pointing out that comparing a minor buff not usefull, to a class passive particuarly partially usefull has its flaws.
edit: Corrected for clearification and:
@Ashamray: can you please lend me your DK for minor brutallity buff - those i consider worth taking along when soloing just don't seem to fit in or like to be stuffed into my adventurers bag...
Edited by Elsterchen on March 20, 2018 10:02PM0 -
Isn't templar the only class with efficient purge too though? I think warden has a way to do it but nothing like templar and rest of the classes has to use alliance war ability to purge negative effects.0 -
Pyr0xyrecuprotite✭✭✭✭✭Each class has unique benefits - and drawbacks. DK's (and wardens) have no execute; Sorcs have to use shields instead of having a heal etc.0 -
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✭✭✭Zildjian2112 wrote: »Why are templars the only class in the game with no class access to major sorcery and major brutality? Its a tacked on benefit to skills for all other classes but we are forced to use a slot specifically for entropy or use spell power pots. I know alot of people use entropy or rally anyway because the skills that MS and MB come from can be garbage as well. Id just like to see some fairness and at least give me a chance to get it from a skill i might find useful for something other than that buff.
Like you say, Major Sorcery can be accessed by any class through Entropy (which is also a DOT and a HOT), and Major Brutality can be gained through whichever DPS-focused weapon tree you prefer. Templars really aren't at a disadvantage here, since by the same token this means their class skills are freed up to provide more unique skill options, whereas other classes have mostly duplicate skills providing these buffs that weapon trees and the MG tree already provide.
It all depends on how you look at it as to whether this is a positive or a negative, but they certainly aren't at any objective disadvantage.0 -
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✭Isn't templar the only class with efficient purge too though? I think warden has a way to do it but nothing like templar and rest of the classes has to use alliance war ability to purge negative effects.
I never thought I would be the only one replying, but as it stands please name the inefficient cloak, inefficient dragon leap and inefficient streak skill available to everyone before throwing cleanse into the ring.
Petty please.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Nope. There are enough ways to get it. Every class is missing something but gains elsewhereXbox One | EU | EP
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✭✭✭✭It is by design. Zos has stated that they do not want all classes to have in class access to all buff/debuffs and such. Simple. Zos wants it this way. That is the "why". Now whether or not you agree with it has no bearing on why.Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on March 21, 2018 8:27AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »It is by design. Zos has stated that they do not want all classes to have in class accto to all buff/debuffs and such. Simple. Zos wants it this way. That is the "why". Now whether or not you agree with it has no bearing on why.
It is their old class concept. They new conception they mentioned was to unify classes basics, like they said for example about class skill trees to be similar to warden's.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »It is by design. Zos has stated that they do not want all classes to have in class accto to all buff/debuffs and such. Simple. Zos wants it this way. That is the "why". Now whether or not you agree with it has no bearing on why.
It is their old class concept. They new conception they mentioned was to unify classes basics, like they said for example about class skill trees to be similar to warden's.
What you are talking about is zos wanting each skill line in each class to be either tank, healer or DPS focused (like the animal companion is the"dps", winters embrace is the tank skill line and green balance is the healers for Warden). This has nothing to do with giving each class, access to the same buffs/debuffs in class.0 -
Cinbri✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »It is by design. Zos has stated that they do not want all classes to have in class accto to all buff/debuffs and such. Simple. Zos wants it this way. That is the "why". Now whether or not you agree with it has no bearing on why.
It is their old class concept. They new conception they mentioned was to unify classes basics, like they said for example about class skill trees to be similar to warden's.
What you are talking about is zos wanting each skill line in each class to be either tank, healer or DPS focused (like the animal companion is the"dps", winters embrace is the tank skill line and green balance is the healers for Warden). This has nothing to do with giving each class, access to the same buffs/debuffs in class.
What we talking about is "unifying concepts of classes". And major sorcery/brutality is one of those basic aspects of classes.2
