VMoL Progression Group vs Carry

MickHC · March 2018

Im looking for vmol vhof or vas carry you know guild ?

Zagnut123Zagnut123 · March 2018

MickHC wrote: »

Im looking for vmol vhof or vas carry you know guild ?

What server and platform are you and how much are you going to pay?

Voxicity · March 2018

MickHC wrote: »

Im looking for vmol vhof or vas carry you know guild ?

Can put you in touch with some people if you are on PC EU, message me if you are

Waffennacht · March 2018

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Voxicity wrote: »

MickHC wrote: »

Im looking for vmol vhof or vas carry you know guild ?

Can put you in touch with some people if you are on PC EU, message me if you are

You know a guy who knows a guy....that knows a Khajiit?

PlagueSD · March 2018

Yeah, love being in normal dungeons with the vMOL skin guys and them not doing crap. Got carried for that skin, huh??? You ain't getting carried here /kick

ForsakenSin · March 2018

PlagueSD wrote: »

Yeah, love being in normal dungeons with the vMOL skin guys and them not doing crap. Got carried for that skin, huh??? You ain't getting carried here /kick

LOL this might explain what happen last night.. i was doing a pug spindle clutch 1 i was on my healer and ive seen cp 650 720 ect and two of them had the skin and i was like "sweet quick and easy" untill we got to the last boss and both of them kept on dying to the spiders AOE and i could not belive it.. it took them 20 min or longer to kill the last boss ive never seen anything like this...

every time boss dose AOE they stand stupid in red and die ..rezz stand in stupid and die every time ..

but hey !! they finished one of the hardest trials and had skins to prove how bad ass they were ..but apparently the spindle clutch 1 boss is OP for them . fml ..pathetic ...

Horowonnoe · March 2018

Vaoh wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

SGT_Wolfe101st wrote: »

Buying carries should get you banned. Period and fact. Flexing your paid carry. I am in guild with a member that is talking about wearing his carried skin with "Pride". Carries devalue the achievement and now skins, titles, nothing is an indication of anything. I can't stand this "I want it, so I should be able to get it" ideology. I too want the skin from vMoL and when my group completes it I will have it, I couldn't imagine wearing a skin that I bought for a carry.

As long as the carry is bought with in-game gold and not real world currency I do not see why someone should be banned for this. If 11 other players feel skilled enough to carry someone through content why shouldn't they be able to offer their services for gold? Seems to me like a fair, in-game economic transaction.

Yup. It's no different than purchasing anything else in the game. There's just a lot much more salt surrounding the item's value.

I bought Ra Gada gloves motif for 3K yesterday.... I didn't earn the item myself but I did purchase it from another player for gold who earned it for me. If that's not bannable then there's no reason why this would be since I purchased an item/service from another player for gold. As long as no account-sharing/cheating/real money transaction etc is occurring it's all 100% fine - just simple gold being traded for an item.

Nearly everyone I've seen make a comment like that person did coincidently do not have the skin, and are salty about being poor while progression groups refuse to accept them for various reasons.

I agree. If someone wants to get carried through content and pay gold to people to do it - its their choice. Personally, i think its a nice way to earn gold on the side by carrying those willing to pay. I've done it before and would do it again : )

Bbsample197 · March 2018

Lmao! theres too much saltiness on people here eh? grow up! its just a game! if its being paid with real money now thats a problem if if its in game gold then so be it!

you want to factor in skills in an MMO? LOL!! theres alot of games that relies on the skills of the player and ESO isnt one of them

beetleklee · March 2018

I don't care what people do with their gold. I personally wouldn't pay gold for a skin, I like to earn them by playing the content, and it's easy to tell who got a vMoL carry when you play with one. But as long as they aren't paying real money it's whatever.

I can understand if someone wants the skin for aesthetics but hates PVE/trials and plays only PVP, or roleplays.

Mureel · March 2018

Voxicity wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

Im pretty happy with the carry. My Vampire Khajit looks soooo much better now.

Not wasting anymore time with a progression that will probably never run again once they get what they want. Hoping to make a roster; or making a roster when I know I can’t run, then feel bad cause I just gave up a possible chance to finally get a clear.

Whatever. It’s done. I don’t have much interest in the other skins, so they can wait awhile.

To be fair I have nothing against people buying skins, but your signature would lead one to assume you have cleared vMoL on your Khajiit through legitimate means, which is a bit weird considering you bought it and therefore isn't really something to brag about

Mureel · March 2018

Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

Just pay for it. By far the quickest and easiest way to get it done.

Exceptions would be if you’re gonna be in a guild that runs it normally.....most likely you’ll never run it again. Do you do anything else with your progression group? I never see anyone posting “ Hey you wanna go run VMoL?” It doesn’t happen. Or they can’t beat the first boss. Or the twins. Or the runners keep getting g everyone killed.

I joined yet another progression group in January. Got a whole new gear set to grind out and level up. At the same time I decided to make as much gold I could. Started with about 200k. I made my 1.2 mil gold far quicker than I imagined. I’ve been in Trials guilds for long time. I’m done with Trials guilds.

Ask around trade guilds. Pay the piper.

One of these guys doing carry invite a “friend” in to take his spot so she can get skinned while I’m stuck paying 1.2 mil that’s supposed to include all jewelry but I only get 8....whatever. Got the skin. Never going back. You just wouldn’t with a different group every time. You’d never go anywhere.

I have to admit, it is fun being in a group of players that all hit 35k+. Game mechanics are just silly sometimes.

VHOF is quite a bit more, but after running through there on normal with a pug....it’s well worth it. Deal with the shady scum. Be happy with your sweet new skin. Then rock it and flex like your an eso badass. Not everyone can raise a mil gold.

Never pay for this dude. The best way to get into grps and do trials is to get to know ppl you need to network. Trial running is a social and skip thing but if you lack in the skills area u can get by, by being social and vice versa. You can work on your dps, healing, or tanking and make yourself indespensible. I can tho paying for a skin carry will blacklist you as a raider for as long as you raid that's why I suggest against it.

❤️ So much this! Once you've bought a run, you're a commodity.

If you're ok with that, cool! If not, think twice. Do the time.

Prof_Bawbag · March 2018

I don't put much stock in those people crying foul over this either. Yup people purchase their skins, titles etc, but by the same token, some of the people who i see denouncing others in-game and there's actually one in this very thread, forget they whispered chumps like me to be their best buddy when i was a lowly CP10. I used to wonder why every man and his dog wanted to be my best buddy back when i was CP10.

Yeah, some of you people donning your vDSA titles and your Amber Plasm skins are absolutely no different to those you're attempting to *** on now. People in glass houses and and all that malarkey.

Mister_DMC · March 2018

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

I don't put much stock in those people crying foul over this either. Yup people purchase their skins, titles etc, but by the same token, some of the people who i see denouncing others in-game and there's actually one in this very thread, forget they whispered chumps like me to be their best buddy when i was a lowly CP10. I used to wonder why every man and his dog wanted to be my best buddy back when i was CP10.

Yeah, some of you people donning your vDSA titles and your Amber Plasm skins are absolutely no different to those you're attempting to *** on now. People in glass houses and and all that malarkey.

I don't understand what you are taking about. What's wrong with vdsa and mazzatun?

diabolick90 · March 2018

Amp151 wrote: »

Paid Carry/carry = unskilled player who's not good enough to deserve the skin imo
If you're fine with that though, awesome go pay for it.

Pretend you're good enough to clear vMaw on your own accord by "flexing" an achievement based skin that you don't have the skill to achieve.
Ppl will know how you got that skin when they play hard content with you.

If you're having trouble finding solid groups to run with chances are it's you and not the others.

I don't have any trouble finding/building groups that are capable of succeeding in hard content.

Hardest content in the game ain't for everyone...

I don`t think that all players who pay for a skin in game are noobs ( unskilled players) because its not a solo content and not all have a guild for trials, its easy to find a crap guild but not a good one and if you find a good one you will stay there lots of times to someone get you in vMoL or vHoF. So stop judging all about there skills.
Normally its not fair that you can but an achievement( skin) and don`t deserve it but this is ZOS problem because he didn't implement a better system to all players with capable can do it with a queue based on something ( like tera maybe, I am not sure if the example its good or not).
And I saw many many called pro players who just died over and over again in vMoL

kylewwefan · March 2018

All I can say is I’m quite satisfied with a carry. Every bit as much as I would be with a progression group. I’ve been in a few that never panned out.

I’m glad your progressions worked out ok for you and those that still do lead progression, my hats off to you.

I came to the realization that I’m never gonna run this again after I get a clear. The progression groups only ever do progression. Trials guilds struggle to do crag trials. Meaning fill rosters with enough competent players.

VMoL? As if that would happen. Beg the leaderboards players to let you in their Guild.....these are all the people that do carries. They don’t care if you have 60k DPS and never die.

Trials guilds get stuck in this cycle of bringing in new players and training them up. Then after a a very short while they drift away and no more progress is being made.

It was far easier and faster to raise the required gold blood money to get the run.

I don’t feel bad about it.

Should I?

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · March 2018

I don't care, it's only a cosmetic item.

I'd like to beat vmol for the sake of beating it, unfortunately for me I just haven't had the right schedule or met right players to do it.

The thing I'd be sketchy over is paying upfront for it, imagine you pay 1.2 million beforehand and then the guy is like cheers, bye. Now I'm sure that's happened and I'm sure the scammed person would be mad af!

Runefang · March 2018

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

I don't care, it's only a cosmetic item.

I'd like to beat vmol for the sake of beating it, unfortunately for me I just haven't had the right schedule or met right players to do it.

The thing I'd be sketchy over is paying upfront for it, imagine you pay 1.2 million beforehand and then the guy is like cheers, bye. Now I'm sure that's happened and I'm sure the scammed person would be mad af!

Exactly. I don't see why you'd pay for it when the fun is it earning it yourself.

Then again I've seen people with 10s of million in gold that like to just trade, craft and play house. They don't have or want the skill required to beat vMoL. I can see why they'd pay for yet another thing that makes their characters 'pretty'.

redspecter23 · March 2018

For those that say that paying for a carry devalues the achievement, is it also devalued if the same person is carried, but doesn't pay? What if they are a legit strong player but are still the weakest in the group. 12 players of their skill level likely wouldn't beat the content, but they have some stronger players with them. Is the achievement still devalued? At what point does a player "earn" the skin?

MakoFore · March 2018

redspecter23 wrote: »

For those that say that paying for a carry devalues the achievement, is it also devalued if the same person is carried, but doesn't pay? What if they are a legit strong player but are still the weakest in the group. 12 players of their skill level likely wouldn't beat the content, but they have some stronger players with them. Is the achievement still devalued? At what point does a player "earn" the skin?

tru that. in one way or another- in every raid there is a new player who is being "carried". very rarely are you going to get 12 players earn their skin at once, which by some peopes definition- is the only way to earn it- progress from nothing with a group. i see it both ways- ive done raid progressions and earned skins- and ti is indeed- the bes gratification in the game, but now i have no time to really invest in the game- like 3 hours a week, yet have the requisite skills and experience- i can certainly empathise with those that just want to do a trial - and go back to life.

Either way - the skins are nice- they are a mark of achievement and accomplishment- but the BEST part of trials and even the new dragon bone achieves- are the friends you make, the people you meet and get to know, the joking about, getting on each other, pushing each other to improve, etc, the camradarie of achieving something difficult together. now if people want to pay-and bypass that- thats their perogative- do it your way- but for me = its the best part of this mmo.

SupremeRissole · March 2018

Im against buying skins. I was given many opportunities to snipe or pay for a skin but instead ground it out in a progression group for three months before beating it. I know I can wear my skin with pride because I earned it. But instead of people seeing it and thinking "that guy must be good enough to beat vMoL" its more like "maybe he is, or maybe he sniped it, or paid for it". Until someone plays with me they wont know and even then you can be a really goid player in dungeons or trials but not be able to beat maw. People sniping or paying devalues it for those who worked hard to get it. Hence my core doesnt sell skins to people as it feeds the issue.
That being said as one of the guys in the top guild on my server who sells skins said, skins and titles dont mean anything anymore, only leaderboard scores. And because of people buying skins and what not, he's absolutely right.

Abysswarrior45 · March 2018

Carries should be frowned upon. I spent a few months with a progression group learning the mechanics and earning that skin just to see pugs like yourself running around with it. Takes away all feeling of accomplishment and its a huge reason endgame pve in eso is complete trash. They should change it to where all individuals in the group have to be in the trial close to the same amount of time, have to have beat every boss, and had to have been alive for a certain % of the fight.

kylewwefan wrote: »

Deal with the shady scum. Be happy with your sweet new skin. Then rock it and flex like your an eso badass. Not everyone can raise a mil gold.

No, please cut off your *** and carry a mirror around to remind yourself how pathetic you actually are. Embrace the trash you see ffs -_-

itsfatbass · March 2018

Abysswarrior45 wrote: »

Carries should be frowned upon. I spent a few months with a progression group learning the mechanics and earning that skin just to see pugs like yourself running around with it. Takes away all feeling of accomplishment and its a huge reason endgame pve in eso is complete trash. They should change it to where all individuals in the group have to be in the trial close to the same amount of time, have to have beat every boss, and had to have been alive for a certain % of the fight.

Amen... carries should be LARGELY frowned upon, and I sure wish they would be against TOS cause it's a poisonous thing to allow in the game.

Bbsample197 · March 2018

itsfatbass wrote: »

Abysswarrior45 wrote: »

Carries should be frowned upon. I spent a few months with a progression group learning the mechanics and earning that skin just to see pugs like yourself running around with it. Takes away all feeling of accomplishment and its a huge reason endgame pve in eso is complete trash. They should change it to where all individuals in the group have to be in the trial close to the same amount of time, have to have beat every boss, and had to have been alive for a certain % of the fight.

Amen... carries should be LARGELY frowned upon, and I sure wish they would be against TOS cause it's a poisonous thing to allow in the game.

youre just too poor to buy one.. and theyve got the skin whether you like it or not... just let the salt into you... atleast its an in-game gold itll never be against TOS unless it involves actual money and sharing accounts just to finished VMA is another story

LadyNalcarya · March 2018

Voxicity wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

Im pretty happy with the carry. My Vampire Khajit looks soooo much better now.

Not wasting anymore time with a progression that will probably never run again once they get what they want. Hoping to make a roster; or making a roster when I know I can’t run, then feel bad cause I just gave up a possible chance to finally get a clear.

Whatever. It’s done. I don’t have much interest in the other skins, so they can wait awhile.

To be fair I have nothing against people buying skins, but your signature would lead one to assume you have cleared vMoL on your Khajiit through legitimate means, which is a bit weird considering you bought it and therefore isn't really something to brag about

Lol, true.

Kalante · March 2018

Bbsample197 wrote: »

itsfatbass wrote: »

Abysswarrior45 wrote: »

Carries should be frowned upon. I spent a few months with a progression group learning the mechanics and earning that skin just to see pugs like yourself running around with it. Takes away all feeling of accomplishment and its a huge reason endgame pve in eso is complete trash. They should change it to where all individuals in the group have to be in the trial close to the same amount of time, have to have beat every boss, and had to have been alive for a certain % of the fight.

Amen... carries should be LARGELY frowned upon, and I sure wish they would be against TOS cause it's a poisonous thing to allow in the game.

youre just too poor to buy one.. and theyve got the skin whether you like it or not... just let the salt into you... atleast its an in-game gold itll never be against TOS unless it involves actual money and sharing accounts just to finished VMA is another story

Many people could buy vmol carries but they don't feel the need to fake their achievements in order to feel good about themselves. If i had the vmol skin i probably would not even wear it just like my friend who already quit eso.

Prof_Bawbag · March 2018

Mister_DMC wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

I don't put much stock in those people crying foul over this either. Yup people purchase their skins, titles etc, but by the same token, some of the people who i see denouncing others in-game and there's actually one in this very thread, forget they whispered chumps like me to be their best buddy when i was a lowly CP10. I used to wonder why every man and his dog wanted to be my best buddy back when i was CP10.

Yeah, some of you people donning your vDSA titles and your Amber Plasm skins are absolutely no different to those you're attempting to *** on now. People in glass houses and and all that malarkey.

I don't understand what you are taking about. What's wrong with vdsa and mazzatun?

@Mister_DMC You used to be able to downscale vet content (think that may have changed when they introduced 1T). So basically, they'd invite a CP10, pass the crown to the CP10 or get the CP10 to create the group, the content would downscale, they'd then get the CP10 to pass the crown, kick the CP10 and then invite their max CP mates.

If we're using the arguments contained with this thread as a basis for our argument, then down scalling is every bit as bad as paying for a carry as the content became considerably easier. vMoL was never affected by this as it came out later I think, but had it been possible, vMoL would have become a lot easier. So yeah, a lot of those Amber Plasm skins and vDSA titles you see in game haven't been obtained legitimately either. That in itself doesn't bother me as their game, their choice, but now some of those very same people don't think twice when it comes to pissing on others. Just smacks of hypocrisy. Like I said, there is one person in this very thread who I know for a fact used me to downscale both vRoM and vDSA. Hilarious he's now calling out others for being scrubs etc.

Asardes · March 2018

Understanding mechanics, and improving your gameplay as a result is the real treasure from progressing trials. The skin is worthless, since it won't really prove anything: you could have been carried or even shared account to get it. I won it about 5 months ago and never wore it since I find it ugly. Paying for a "carry" in a dungeon or trial would be utterly degrading, because I would acknowledge I'm a bad player and I don't want to improve. I utterly despise people who boost their ego with various titles and skins they didn't really deserve, since it's just a cheap ego steroid boost which says a lot about their character.

Prof_Bawbag · March 2018

Asardes wrote: »

Understanding mechanics, and improving your gameplay as a result is the real treasure from progressing trials. The skin is worthless, since it won't really prove anything: you could have been carried or even shared account to get it. I won it about 5 months ago and never wore it since I find it ugly. Paying for a "carry" in a dungeon or trial would be utterly degrading, because I would acknowledge I'm a bad player and I don't want to improve. I utterly despise people who boost their ego with various titles and skins they didn't really deserve, since it's just a cheap ego steroid boost which says a lot about their character.

That's a very one dimensional view. There are people who have issues with their hands or have disabilities that may mean they simply don't have a hope in hell of ever improving from their current level of ability. Yet you make it sound as if they're not you, they're below you. Like any other argument on here, everyone just assumes everyone is equal and live an exact carbon copy of a life as they do.

pieratsos · March 2018

Asardes wrote: »

Understanding mechanics, and improving your gameplay as a result is the real treasure from progressing trials. The skin is worthless, since it won't really prove anything: you could have been carried or even shared account to get it. I won it about 5 months ago and never wore it since I find it ugly. Paying for a "carry" in a dungeon or trial would be utterly degrading, because I would acknowledge I'm a bad player and I don't want to improve. I utterly despise people who boost their ego with various titles and skins they didn't really deserve, since it's just a cheap ego steroid boost which says a lot about their character.

Or maybe there are players who dont really PVE for whatever reason and are way more skilled than someone who did it the "normal" way so they paid for a carry even tho they could easily do it "normally". Or maybe its not about boosting ur ego with various titles and skins and they just simply like it.

I mean the fact that you associate player skill with a skin that you can get from a content for 12 people its actually laughable. But the fact that you associate it with someone's character irl is beyond stupid.

Asardes · March 2018

Right now I'm retracing my progression on another character than the one I've completed vMoL and the Craglorn HM trials, and yes, it feels satisfying. And not because of the achievements themselves, but learning the trial fights from various PoVs, learning and perfecting the build and role. I didn't manage to finish vMoL on my Templar healer yet, having done it previously as melee DD and Tank on DK (same character, different setups).

Also vMoL may not be an exclussively personal achievement, because you need 12 players, but finding a guild or at least a group of friends to do it is an achievement of sorts. And there are well known guilds advertising on the forums and even in zone chats, so not joining one and not learning the mechanics, is a personal choice. And I'm not talking about hardcore raiding ones, that have leaderboard groups and such, but more casual ones that have no problems clearing Craglorn trials and have regular vMoL & vHoF learning groups. Having huge DPS isn't even required. You can clear with 30K, and you can do that without even weaving light attacks, or having a super-fast rotation, so even if your hands hurt or aren't nimble enough because of a medical issue, but pick something else than NB you will be OK. Or you can play tank or healer which involves far less key mashing, but it does involve paying even more attention.

I can't compare to that with getting a RNG based motif because you don't need any skill to fish Ra-Gada or any other motif, except the dungeon ones, just a lot of patience to run laps trough zones and open countless chests until you land one. I did buy one or several motif pages, which I couldn't find farming myself, but I don't see any problem with that since what I traded was not skill based in the slightest. And I do stand by my comments: wearing cosmetics that you didn't earn, and you paid to get, just trailing along, says everything about your personal character as a player. As for grinding gold to "buy" a ride in vMoL and vHoF for months, instead of using that time to actually improve your gameplay, and be part of a progression group seems like a really bad trade. I only trade as a side mini-game, and still make 1M or more every couple of weeks. So it's easy enough, and you shouldn't chaff about it.

Also "I don't play PvE, I only PvP" is a bad excuse. PvP involves fighting other players, that reach unpredictably, in real time, whilst dungeon and trial mechanics have predictable, pre-programed mechanics. If you can't beat the latter easily, you aren't probably too good at the former either. People who don't react fast enough to the color change in vMoL will eat wrecking blows, crystal frags and shalks in Cyrodiil like there's no tomorrow