VMoL Progression Group vs Carry

Dubhliam

Progression guilds are many and with varying degree of success.

You just need to find one that you think are strict enough to not let just anybody in.
And those guilds then succeed in beating difficult content.

And guess what?

There are maaaaaany players that are just not cut out for it.
Sure, you might pay for a carry, that still doesn't make you cut out for it.

IlCanis_LupuslI

Well they were German and a bit snobby(what, a woodelf pve stamblade :-O ??? XD ) :-D, but there literally isnt any other group out there doing it, most people are doing VAS Hm the way it sounds, and the only ting i can do is practice my rotation 30 min every day and keep looking .. Or say screw it and pay for a carry
@code65536

Dubhliam

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

Well they were German and a bit snobby(what, a woodelf pve stamblade :-O ??? XD ) :-D, but there literally isnt any other group out there doing it, most people are doing VAS Hm the way it sounds, and the only ting i can do is practice my rotation 30 min every day and keep looking .. Or say screw it and pay for a carry
@code65536

Race means nothing.

Show them a good parse, they won't care what race you are.

I know a friend that does well over 40k selfbuffed with a Wood Elf Stamblade. Don't blame the race.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

code65536 wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

my dps is to low they say 42,5 k as a stamblade they want 45 k self buffed as stamblade

LOL. You don't need 45K DPS to beat vMoL non-HM. You don't even need 35K DPS. Here on PC/NA, I see that the guilds that train people for progressing through vMoL usually only ask for minimums of around 30-35K unbuffed (except for ele/pierce) on dummies.

If you look at the videos and screenshots from when Hodor got the world's first speedrun of vMoL, the highest DPS they had on Rakkhat was around 32K. This was someone who didn't run back, including cleave on the hulk, with raid buffs. And with that level of DPS, they got the speedrun and skipped Lunar.

People forget that vMoL was released two years ago, and how much the game has changed since then. Back then, 40K DPS was simply impossible and unheard of. If a guild asks for 45K, then either they are looking for pushing competitive scores (i.e., they're not in the business of training players and expect that people already know what to do) or their leadership has a poor grip on reality. Either way, it sounds like that particular guild isn't the one for you.

Yep, 30k was pretty OP when VMOL came out. I have never even heard of a 45k dummy requirement for a guild. It makes even less sense because while a stamblade can certainly hit 45k on a 3 mil, it takes a bit of cheese to do it. A true raid rotation will struggle to hit that, even with a really good player. Did he message Alcast asking to be part of Hodor or something? haha

I havent hit 45k on a dummy since sorcs were actually good like a year ago, and I break 50k in raids all the time. Seems like an insane requirement.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Dubhliam wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

Well they were German and a bit snobby(what, a woodelf pve stamblade :-O ??? XD ) :-D, but there literally isnt any other group out there doing it, most people are doing VAS Hm the way it sounds, and the only ting i can do is practice my rotation 30 min every day and keep looking .. Or say screw it and pay for a carry
@code65536

Race means nothing.

Show them a good parse, they won't care what race you are.

I know a friend that does well over 40k selfbuffed with a Wood Elf Stamblade. Don't blame the race.

He's not blaming the race tho, if you read he says he gets over 42k self buffed as bosmer. He's blaming the guild and lack of on xbox EU for doing this sort of trail, having unrealistic requirements.

Meld777

Paying for skin is perfectly fine. Thinking that it devalues the skin sounds like an inferiority complex to me. I wear a skin because it fits my character.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Meld777 wrote: »

Paying for skin is perfectly fine. Thinking that it devalues the skin sounds like an inferiority complex to me. I wear a skin because it fits my character.

As someone who hasn't or likely am not to pay for a skin, I agree with you.

ralphylauren

Congrats OP enjoy your skin, don’t let these triggered “elitist” make you feel bad.

Peekachu99

Most titles of renown must be earned through personally completing and conquering content. Trials, where you have 1-11 people able to account for your mistakes have never been the pinnacle of personal achievement for me. Soloing Domihouse, HM, last phase, under 5% on a leechtank, however, was one of the greatest PVE achievements I’ve completed in the game (and I got my Thane title). There was no possibility of rezzing, one pillar left—and the *** got a shout in, too. Just me, my reflexes, over a dozen mobs, and my party cheering me on in discord.

That battle was beyond satisfying and even though that was my last achievement in that vet, the experience itself was more meaningful than any reward.

In short: who cares how other people play the game or get their skins? Mind your business.

Wolfkeks

Idk, I got my skin by running vMoL with my guild, and it was horrible at the beginning. Giant cat just smashing everything coming their way.
In the beginning I was really tempted to just buy a carry, one of my friends is selling runs to guild mates for 400k (per run, not person ) and like I said, really tempted, but I wanted to beat it myself in the end, so joined an xp group and we made it.
But I'm happy I got it by beating the content.
But if you decide you want a carry, go for it.
Everyone has to decide that for themselves.

Kuramas9tails

Amp151 wrote: »

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Amp151 wrote: »

Paid Carry/carry = unskilled player who's not good enough to deserve the skin imo
If you're fine with that though, awesome go pay for it.

Pretend you're good enough to clear vMaw on your own accord by "flexing" an achievement based skin that you don't have the skill to achieve.
Ppl will know how you got that skin when they play hard content with you.

If you're having trouble finding solid groups to run with chances are it's you and not the others.

I don't have any trouble finding/building groups that are capable of succeeding in hard content.

Hardest content in the game ain't for everyone...

@Amp151 I will strongly disagree with you. The reason I was able to obtain Emperor and even put time into Trials was because I was unemployed and single at the time. I had plenty of time to be flexible with my schedule. Now that I have a full time job as a graphic designer and a boyfriend, I find it hard to sacrifice any time to progressions. I was in a VMOL progression for months and for what my schedule is now, it is unfair of me to try and squeeze myself in progressions when I can not be 100% dedicated like I was in VMOL. Even when I did my paid VHOF run, I didn't die while others did and I still pumped out my max damage. I know for a fact that if I dedicated my time and effort into a progression in VHOF or VAS, I would be good DPS but it's the time I don't have.

I have a Fiancee and a full time job.
I still have time for progression(2 actually), gym, social things outside of this game etc..

Those are all just excuses imo.

Manage your time better to get all the things you want.

IMO skilled ppl don't need months to beat hard content.
Find or build a group and get it done.

Or pay for a skin and "flex" like you pulled your weight
To each their own.

Excuses to put time into real life things over a video game? It's great you manage it well enough to do all of that but I can not. I am an artist. I do side work outside of my full time job. I even help fellow artists get recognized. I get commissioned to do logos/websites/advertising brochures/ect. I will gladly pay fake money for a pixelated skin to "flex/impress" people who could careless if I died tomorrow. In the grand scheme of things, no one should waste their time caring if someone paid for their skin or not. It's a waste of their energy. I was there once. I did care. I looked down on people who paid for their VMOL skin but now I don't even waste my time judging or not. Enjoy the cosmetic of the game you nerds and have fun.

Amp151

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Amp151 wrote: »

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Amp151 wrote: »

Paid Carry/carry = unskilled player who's not good enough to deserve the skin imo
If you're fine with that though, awesome go pay for it.

Pretend you're good enough to clear vMaw on your own accord by "flexing" an achievement based skin that you don't have the skill to achieve.
Ppl will know how you got that skin when they play hard content with you.

If you're having trouble finding solid groups to run with chances are it's you and not the others.

I don't have any trouble finding/building groups that are capable of succeeding in hard content.

Hardest content in the game ain't for everyone...

@Amp151 I will strongly disagree with you. The reason I was able to obtain Emperor and even put time into Trials was because I was unemployed and single at the time. I had plenty of time to be flexible with my schedule. Now that I have a full time job as a graphic designer and a boyfriend, I find it hard to sacrifice any time to progressions. I was in a VMOL progression for months and for what my schedule is now, it is unfair of me to try and squeeze myself in progressions when I can not be 100% dedicated like I was in VMOL. Even when I did my paid VHOF run, I didn't die while others did and I still pumped out my max damage. I know for a fact that if I dedicated my time and effort into a progression in VHOF or VAS, I would be good DPS but it's the time I don't have.

I have a Fiancee and a full time job.
I still have time for progression(2 actually), gym, social things outside of this game etc..

Those are all just excuses imo.

Manage your time better to get all the things you want.

IMO skilled ppl don't need months to beat hard content.
Find or build a group and get it done.

Or pay for a skin and "flex" like you pulled your weight
To each their own.

Excuses to put time into real life things over a video game? It's great you manage it well enough to do all of that but I can not. I am an artist. I do side work outside of my full time job. I even help fellow artists get recognized. I get commissioned to do logos/websites/advertising brochures/ect. I will gladly pay fake money for a pixelated skin to "flex/impress" people who could careless if I died tomorrow. In the grand scheme of things, no one should waste their time caring if someone paid for their skin or not. It's a waste of their energy. I was there once. I did care. I looked down on people who paid for their VMOL skin but now I don't even waste my time judging or not. Enjoy the cosmetic of the game you nerds and have fun.

Sheesh triggered much?
It Seems that the career path and your life choices have lead to a life that has more pressure than you can handle.

Lashing out at ppl on forums for a video game because I have a different opinion than you is a bit odd and does little to prove your point.

You seem to care much more than I do.
Being that you're insulting me lol

Last sentence of my last post: "To each their own"

Feel free to think the way you'd like.
I'm not hating on you.
Just telling you the way some of us look at it.

In the end The ppl that pay for carries and the ppl that like to complete content on their own accord do not run in the same circles in terms of playing content together.

Feel free to play whichever way you want.
Plz try to refrain from your childish outbursts in the future.
It makes you look bad.

IlCanis_LupuslI

I felt that was the First time i did my stormproof and then after lots and lots of failures... My flawless conquerer on my main, a stamina nightblade
@Peekachu99

ccfeeling

Gave up Vmol, too lag to try
Won't buy carry lol, i saw a lot low skill level vmol skin players in other Vtrials...i dont actually know what a they doing...

Kuramas9tails

Amp151 wrote: »

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Amp151 wrote: »

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Amp151 wrote: »

Paid Carry/carry = unskilled player who's not good enough to deserve the skin imo
If you're fine with that though, awesome go pay for it.

Pretend you're good enough to clear vMaw on your own accord by "flexing" an achievement based skin that you don't have the skill to achieve.
Ppl will know how you got that skin when they play hard content with you.

If you're having trouble finding solid groups to run with chances are it's you and not the others.

I don't have any trouble finding/building groups that are capable of succeeding in hard content.

Hardest content in the game ain't for everyone...

@Amp151 I will strongly disagree with you. The reason I was able to obtain Emperor and even put time into Trials was because I was unemployed and single at the time. I had plenty of time to be flexible with my schedule. Now that I have a full time job as a graphic designer and a boyfriend, I find it hard to sacrifice any time to progressions. I was in a VMOL progression for months and for what my schedule is now, it is unfair of me to try and squeeze myself in progressions when I can not be 100% dedicated like I was in VMOL. Even when I did my paid VHOF run, I didn't die while others did and I still pumped out my max damage. I know for a fact that if I dedicated my time and effort into a progression in VHOF or VAS, I would be good DPS but it's the time I don't have.

I have a Fiancee and a full time job.
I still have time for progression(2 actually), gym, social things outside of this game etc..

Those are all just excuses imo.

Manage your time better to get all the things you want.

IMO skilled ppl don't need months to beat hard content.
Find or build a group and get it done.

Or pay for a skin and "flex" like you pulled your weight
To each their own.

Excuses to put time into real life things over a video game? It's great you manage it well enough to do all of that but I can not. I am an artist. I do side work outside of my full time job. I even help fellow artists get recognized. I get commissioned to do logos/websites/advertising brochures/ect. I will gladly pay fake money for a pixelated skin to "flex/impress" people who could careless if I died tomorrow. In the grand scheme of things, no one should waste their time caring if someone paid for their skin or not. It's a waste of their energy. I was there once. I did care. I looked down on people who paid for their VMOL skin but now I don't even waste my time judging or not. Enjoy the cosmetic of the game you nerds and have fun.

Sheesh triggered much?
It Seems that the career path and your life choices have lead to a life that has more pressure than you can handle.

Lashing out at ppl on forums for a video game because I have a different opinion than you is a bit odd and does little to prove your point.

You seem to care much more than I do.
Being that you're insulting me lol

Last sentence of my last post: "To each their own"

Feel free to think the way you'd like.
I'm not hating on you.
Just telling you the way some of us look at it.

In the end The ppl that pay for carries and the ppl that like to complete content on their own accord do not run in the same circles in terms of playing content together.

Feel free to play whichever way you want.
Plz try to refrain from your childish outbursts in the future.
It makes you look bad.

I...wasn't lashing out? Nor was it an outburst? I was actually being very casual and explaining that my "excuses" for not putting time into Vet progression trials is related to real life stuff that is more important. It's not too much for me to handle. I LOVE my job. But to say "should I put this extra time in the game or real life".....picking real life isn't an "excuse".

kylewwefan

Give it up. These people won’t get it. I did want to “earn” the achievement, but in the end paying some players to help me get an achievement meant the same. Never felt any deep connection with others in progression. Everyone is all after the same thing and then when it’s done, you’ll never see these people again.

RL will always always always take priority over anything in this game.....always.

Since I started playing ESO I have met and gamed with about a dozen people that have had their life’s ruined by playing ESO....a bit too much maybe.

Not even joking a little bit. You’re doing the right thing.

Meld777

kylewwefan wrote: »

Since I started playing ESO I have met and gamed with about a dozen people that have had their life’s ruined by playing ESO

@kylewwefan could you elaborate on that one? I'm curious. How do you ruin your life with ESO?

kylewwefan

That’s easy. Hun dinners ready. Hold on I’m almost done with this boss...

Basically every single time you prioritize anything in this game over RL stuff adds up....and takes a toll.

You gotta drop whatever you’re doing in the game and tend to RL matters pronto. The game can wait. It sucks if your holding 11 other people up, but they will decide what to do with you.

You put the game first...or even put up a fight or have an attitude for stopping what your doing....and your losing the big game. The RL is the only thing that matters.

Don’t be like those that invest all they had in the game and got nothing in return or even lost it all....

LeagueTroll

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

Id Love to join 1 a Progression group but a) my dps is to low they say 42,5 k as a stamblade they want 45 k self buffed as stamblade and b) I literally Can t find a progression ggroup, most groups are already full and only invite people to have a “spare wheel“.
It's sickening I'd much more prefer to earn it but it's turning out to be literally impossible(no im not racechanging from bosmer to redguard not even if id pull 10k dps more),
Xbox eu, flawless conqueror on stamblade / magblade(as I reskilled for a while )
Both earned...

I’d say 35k is alright for stam to do vmol already. Yes progression guilds are not all that common, your best bet is join a good bigger sized pve guild, not bother make core, and play open runs, the one i joined i cleared all open vmol i sighed up on my tank, vhof Is progression, new tank and healer get to go too, so i have a chance to git gud and not just play a heavy attack magsorc.

Meld777

@kylewwefan

Thank you for the response. I disagree though. Gaming is a hobby like any other hobby, and it does consume time and money. Every situation is different and requires individual judgement, but, generally speaking, 11 people are more important than 1. It's an MMO. There are 11 other very real people in a raid. For me, gaming is part of my real life. It's my hobby, and my partner needs to understand and respect that. Luckily, my girlfriend is as much a fan of ESO as I am. If my partner doesn't respect my hobby and friends, because yes, I consider some guild mates my friends, then she's the wrong partner for me.

Now, I get what you're saying. No matter what your hobby is, there are always ways to neglect certain aspects of your life. Your partner can feel neglected cuz you're working out too much, or riding bike too much, or working too much. It is your responsibility to balance your life. ESO has nothing to do with it. If someone lost his partner because of a balance disagreement, they might've lost their partner the same way if they had a different hobby or side activity, like chess club, politics, cocaine...

Generally, it's always better to pick a partner that fits you, one with similar interests. Sadly, many men just pick the first hole they see, but that's a story for another time. Communication and respect (both ways) are important. Without communication and respect, a relationship can't last. With or without ESO.

Kuramas9tails

kylewwefan wrote: »

Give it up. These people won’t get it. I did want to “earn” the achievement, but in the end paying some players to help me get an achievement meant the same. Never felt any deep connection with others in progression. Everyone is all after the same thing and then when it’s done, you’ll never see these people again.

RL will always always always take priority over anything in this game.....always.

Since I started playing ESO I have met and gamed with about a dozen people that have had their life’s ruined by playing ESO....a bit too much maybe.

Not even joking a little bit. You’re doing the right thing.

@kylewwefan Totally agree. And thank you. It's not like I am going to put "Completed VHOF" on my resume or somehow get demoted in life for paying for a skin in a game. Heck, I paid for a skin run for my boyfriend and he absolutely LOVES the skin. It's been over a month now and he still loves it and I love it on his khajiit. I think our characters look so cute together. And I have the "former Empress" title and he has the "former Emperor" title so it makes it 100% more cute to me. Plus MageBlade/StamBlade and we try to match mounts. I could go on and on. Worth every 1.2M gold for that kind of fun and happiness to share daily with him.

Shadowmaster

SGT_Wolfe101st wrote: »

Buying carries should get you banned. Period and fact. Flexing your paid carry. I am in guild with a member that is talking about wearing his carried skin with "Pride". Carries devalue the achievement and now skins, titles, nothing is an indication of anything. I can't stand this "I want it, so I should be able to get it" ideology. I too want the skin from vMoL and when my group completes it I will have it, I couldn't imagine wearing a skin that I bought for a carry.

No, it shouldn't. Perhaps you should use your anger and look up what "fact" means in the dictionary.

Stop pushing opinion as fact. Its bad enough we see it everywhere in social media and in made up BS about this game, it would be great if you could just go ahead and not do that anymore, mmmk?

Nissy_nev

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

Give it up. These people won’t get it. I did want to “earn” the achievement, but in the end paying some players to help me get an achievement meant the same. Never felt any deep connection with others in progression. Everyone is all after the same thing and then when it’s done, you’ll never see these people again.

RL will always always always take priority over anything in this game.....always.

Since I started playing ESO I have met and gamed with about a dozen people that have had their life’s ruined by playing ESO....a bit too much maybe.

Not even joking a little bit. You’re doing the right thing.

@kylewwefan Totally agree. And thank you. It's not like I am going to put "Completed VHOF" on my resume or somehow get demoted in life for paying for a skin in a game. Heck, I paid for a skin run for my boyfriend and he absolutely LOVES the skin. It's been over a month now and he still loves it and I love it on his khajiit. I think our characters look so cute together. And I have the "former Empress" title and he has the "former Emperor" title so it makes it 100% more cute to me. Plus MageBlade/StamBlade and we try to match mounts. I could go on and on. Worth every 1.2M gold for that kind of fun and happiness to share daily with him.

awww, its so adorable! A nice example of how people are enjoying the game while others waste their time spreading salt all over the place.

May your adventures be nice and interesting

kylewwefan

Meld777 wrote: »

@kylewwefan

Thank you for the response. I disagree though. Gaming is a hobby like any other hobby, and it does consume time and money. Every situation is different and requires individual judgement, but, generally speaking, 11 people are more important than 1. It's an MMO. There are 11 other very real people in a raid. For me, gaming is part of my real life. It's my hobby, and my partner needs to understand and respect that. Luckily, my girlfriend is as much a fan of ESO as I am. If my partner doesn't respect my hobby and friends, because yes, I consider some guild mates my friends, then she's the wrong partner for me.

Now, I get what you're saying. No matter what your hobby is, there are always ways to neglect certain aspects of your life. Your partner can feel neglected cuz you're working out too much, or riding bike too much, or working too much. It is your responsibility to balance your life. ESO has nothing to do with it. If someone lost his partner because of a balance disagreement, they might've lost their partner the same way if they had a different hobby or side activity, like chess club, politics, cocaine...

Generally, it's always better to pick a partner that fits you, one with similar interests. Sadly, many men just pick the first hole they see, but that's a story for another time. Communication and respect (both ways) are important. Without communication and respect, a relationship can't last. With or without ESO.

Some people just let their hobby’s get out of control. It’s cool that you got a gamer girlfriend. I’ve been married since way before ESO was a thing, so I can’t follow you there.

Guildies, sure I consider them friends. Progression group...not so much. I have been excluded from stuff with the guild b/c they know I’ll drop whatever is going on in the game for RL. Unfortunately it happens all the time for me. I’m a family man.

That’s where carry comes in. I never have hours of uninterrupted gameplay, but that doesn’t necessarily mean I’m a crap player or not worthy of an achievement...not trying to break records or anything.

There’s no other way you’re gonna get it done. It’s too demanding and mechanic heavy to pug. Pugs can barely do normal and many times fail at that.

GamerAeryn

I'm physically unable to fight for it due to disability, but damned if I'm not too cheap to pay for it ;p