VMoL Progression Group vs Carry

Vaoh

Apache_Kid wrote: »

SGT_Wolfe101st wrote: »

Buying carries should get you banned. Period and fact. Flexing your paid carry. I am in guild with a member that is talking about wearing his carried skin with "Pride". Carries devalue the achievement and now skins, titles, nothing is an indication of anything. I can't stand this "I want it, so I should be able to get it" ideology. I too want the skin from vMoL and when my group completes it I will have it, I couldn't imagine wearing a skin that I bought for a carry.

As long as the carry is bought with in-game gold and not real world currency I do not see why someone should be banned for this. If 11 other players feel skilled enough to carry someone through content why shouldn't they be able to offer their services for gold? Seems to me like a fair, in-game economic transaction.

Yup. It's no different than purchasing anything else in the game. There's just a lot much more salt surrounding the item's value.

I bought Ra Gada gloves motif for 3K yesterday.... I didn't earn the item myself but I did purchase it from another player for gold who earned it for me. If that's not bannable then there's no reason why this would be since I purchased an item/service from another player for gold. As long as no account-sharing/cheating/real money transaction etc is occurring it's all 100% fine - just simple gold being traded for an item.

Nearly everyone I've seen make a comment like that person did coincidently do not have the skin, and are salty about being poor while progression groups refuse to accept them for various reasons.

SGT_Wolfe101st

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

SGT_Wolfe101st wrote: »

Buying carries should get you banned. Period and fact. Flexing your paid carry. I am in guild with a member that is talking about wearing his carried skin with "Pride". Carries devalue the achievement and now skins, titles, nothing is an indication of anything. I can't stand this "I want it, so I should be able to get it" ideology. I too want the skin from vMoL and when my group completes it I will have it, I couldn't imagine wearing a skin that I bought for a carry.

It doesnt break any rules, though. Well, unless you buy them for real money.

And yeah, if you play with someone, you will know how they got their skins/titles. Having a vMoL skin is not a free pass to the top guilds, it doesnt add extra dps, its just a cosmetic item. Also, skins are account-wide, so even if your dd has a dromathra skin, it doesnt nessesarily mean that they have great dps, they could get it on their tank or healer... And vice versa.

I have a legit Dromathra destroyer title (which I got in 2016), and both vHoF and vAS skins. Honestly, I dont think that anyone can devalue my achievements by buying skins.

You earned the skin, on a legit run, that I have no issue with, its the "Look what I bought" that I have issue with. I know it isn't against the rules, but I think its bullstuff and I think it should be.

kylewwefan

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Tank looking for carry vas +2 carry, i must mt, paying 2 mil.

VHOF is 3.4mil and I think VAS may be the same. You gotta pony up for that carry. IDGAF what role you think your gonna play, gotta pay first. 2 mil. Make me laugh.

SGT_Wolfe101st

rustic_potato wrote: »

This is something that has bugged me for a while. Why do people assume that other people getting carried devalues their achievement?
Not everyone has the time to go through a proper progression. I stopped running progression PVE content ever since Morrowind launched. I got my first vHoF HM clear when some friends needed someone to tank as their main tank didn't show up for raid. I did cause a couple of wipes but we cleared and I got my skin and achievement. Got my vAS HM clear in the same way too on a DPS.
I have also helped a lot of people get their clears in MoL and HoF. Some friends and some paid for clears. It is just a game stop taking virtual achievements so seriously.

It doesn't devalue mine, it devalues the achievement in general. Seeing someone with Stormproof as a title or the vMoL skin should be a sign that they have done something, or the account, at the very least that player has done arguably the hardest content in the game. When it is bought however, it changes things, now anytime I see any sought after title or skin I am immediately suspicious, and that sucks. That sucks for those that earned it legitimately and those that are working toward it.

SGT_Wolfe101st

Vaoh wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

SGT_Wolfe101st wrote: »

Buying carries should get you banned. Period and fact. Flexing your paid carry. I am in guild with a member that is talking about wearing his carried skin with "Pride". Carries devalue the achievement and now skins, titles, nothing is an indication of anything. I can't stand this "I want it, so I should be able to get it" ideology. I too want the skin from vMoL and when my group completes it I will have it, I couldn't imagine wearing a skin that I bought for a carry.

As long as the carry is bought with in-game gold and not real world currency I do not see why someone should be banned for this. If 11 other players feel skilled enough to carry someone through content why shouldn't they be able to offer their services for gold? Seems to me like a fair, in-game economic transaction.

Yup. It's no different than purchasing anything else in the game. There's just a lot much more salt surrounding the item's value.

I bought Ra Gada gloves motif for 3K yesterday.... I didn't earn the item myself but I did purchase it from another player for gold who earned it for me. If that's not bannable then there's no reason why this would be since I purchased an item/service from another player for gold. As long as no account-sharing/cheating/real money transaction etc is occurring it's all 100% fine - just simple gold being traded for an item.

Nearly everyone I've seen make a comment like that person did coincidently do not have the skin, and are salty about being poor while progression groups refuse to accept them for various reasons.

Buying Ra Gada for 3k when it can be obtained from an intermediate chest in Craglorn and paying 2.4M for a skin from the hardest content in the game are clearly the same thing, thank you for that clarification.

Danksta

kylewwefan wrote: »

It’s been out for long enough now. Still being Heralded as the holy grail. On PS4 there’s maybe 100 players that can legitimately beat it....somethings not right. It’s just trash gaming.

LOL 100 players? Whatever makes you feel better man.

AlienSlof

I don're really see why some people feel a carry somehow devalues something. It doesn't devalue YOUR efforts if another buys it. Pay in gold or pay in effort - all the same to me. The skin means different things to different people.

I happily paid for mine; I wanted the skin to complete a specific character and now he is complete, with mount and pet to match. I had the gold gathering dust in the bank with nothing to spend it on and my Dr-M'athra cat looked stupid with grey fur because of his vampirism. My wanting the skin has never had anything to do with wanting to show off or feel superior. I enjoy playing that character much more with his completed look - for me, money well-spent.

At that time I wasn't in a guild that wanted to do training runs, and as a disabled oldie, it takes me a little longer to attain the end-game skills that young 'uns take for granted.

For what its worth to those who say the practice should be a bannable offence, I am now learning vMoL with an excellent progression guild and enjoying every moment of it. Paying for the skin has given me many months of enjoying playing my character who wears it. Soon I will beat vMoL. I still don't regret getting that skin half a year sooner.

Just wanted to point out that not everyone wants it just to stand on that rock in Rawl'ka and show off.

Danksta

kylewwefan wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Tank looking for carry vas +2 carry, i must mt, paying 2 mil.

VHOF is 3.4mil and I think VAS may be the same. You gotta pony up for that carry. IDGAF what role you think your gonna play, gotta pay first. 2 mil. Make me laugh.

vAS is 12 mil and vHOF is 3.6 mil

rustic_potato

SGT_Wolfe101st wrote: »

rustic_potato wrote: »

This is something that has bugged me for a while. Why do people assume that other people getting carried devalues their achievement?
Not everyone has the time to go through a proper progression. I stopped running progression PVE content ever since Morrowind launched. I got my first vHoF HM clear when some friends needed someone to tank as their main tank didn't show up for raid. I did cause a couple of wipes but we cleared and I got my skin and achievement. Got my vAS HM clear in the same way too on a DPS.
I have also helped a lot of people get their clears in MoL and HoF. Some friends and some paid for clears. It is just a game stop taking virtual achievements so seriously.

It doesn't devalue mine, it devalues the achievement in general. Seeing someone with Stormproof as a title or the vMoL skin should be a sign that they have done something, or the account, at the very least that player has done arguably the hardest content in the game. When it is bought however, it changes things, now anytime I see any sought after title or skin I am immediately suspicious, and that sucks. That sucks for those that earned it legitimately and those that are working toward it.

Again I don't understand why people care about someone else's achievements or titles. Just because I have most of the end game PVE and PVP titles doesn't mean I'm any better than someone who doesn't have any of those titles. It just means I play the game more than the other person.

Sure when you are forming a team you want competent players but you will know who legit knows, their role and the trial, and who got carried within one run. Also I don't think anyone who got carried will sign up for a serious team.

KingYogi415

1 mil that's hilarious.

I saw a group streaming themselves selling skin runs for 100k.

So congratz on cheating the hardest content in the game, I guess you beat the game and can quit now!

Kalante

paying for a skin is like getting getting steroids. You might look like a bad ass but in reality you got no strength to back it up.

kylewwefan

It’s probably not even 100 anymore. And you should know that. I’ve seen ya plenty of training videos.

Wait til VMoL is the weekly and there’s the same 30 or so players strewn all up and down the leaderboard on different toons....and the leaderboard doesn’t even close to max out.

Sure some of that stuff is legit, but a lot is carry. Carry. Carry.

Danksta

KingYogi415 wrote: »

1 mil that's hilarious.

I saw a group streaming themselves selling skin runs for 100k.

So congratz on cheating the hardest content in the game, I guess you beat the game and can quit now!

Really?? That comes out to about 8k per person. What a waste of time.

Though I'm guessing you misunderstood and it was 100k per person=1.2 mil

OutLaw_Nynx

What’s the point of this thread??

pieratsos

SGT_Wolfe101st wrote: »

rustic_potato wrote: »

This is something that has bugged me for a while. Why do people assume that other people getting carried devalues their achievement?
Not everyone has the time to go through a proper progression. I stopped running progression PVE content ever since Morrowind launched. I got my first vHoF HM clear when some friends needed someone to tank as their main tank didn't show up for raid. I did cause a couple of wipes but we cleared and I got my skin and achievement. Got my vAS HM clear in the same way too on a DPS.
I have also helped a lot of people get their clears in MoL and HoF. Some friends and some paid for clears. It is just a game stop taking virtual achievements so seriously.

It doesn't devalue mine, it devalues the achievement in general. Seeing someone with Stormproof as a title or the vMoL skin should be a sign that they have done something, or the account, at the very least that player has done arguably the hardest content in the game. When it is bought however, it changes things, now anytime I see any sought after title or skin I am immediately suspicious, and that sucks. That sucks for those that earned it legitimately and those that are working toward it.

Its a trial for 12 people. Someone who completed it "without getting carried" can very easily be a much worse player than someone who paid for a "carry" because he doesnt do PVE or doesnt like trials in general. Same applies for PVP. Having a high PVP rank doesnt mean player skill. You can be "carried" without actually paying for a carry. And vice versa, paying for a carry for convenience doesnt mean incapable of doing it normally.

Vaoh

SGT_Wolfe101st wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

SGT_Wolfe101st wrote: »

Buying carries should get you banned. Period and fact. Flexing your paid carry. I am in guild with a member that is talking about wearing his carried skin with "Pride". Carries devalue the achievement and now skins, titles, nothing is an indication of anything. I can't stand this "I want it, so I should be able to get it" ideology. I too want the skin from vMoL and when my group completes it I will have it, I couldn't imagine wearing a skin that I bought for a carry.

As long as the carry is bought with in-game gold and not real world currency I do not see why someone should be banned for this. If 11 other players feel skilled enough to carry someone through content why shouldn't they be able to offer their services for gold? Seems to me like a fair, in-game economic transaction.

Yup. It's no different than purchasing anything else in the game. There's just a lot much more salt surrounding the item's value.

I bought Ra Gada gloves motif for 3K yesterday.... I didn't earn the item myself but I did purchase it from another player for gold who earned it for me. If that's not bannable then there's no reason why this would be since I purchased an item/service from another player for gold. As long as no account-sharing/cheating/real money transaction etc is occurring it's all 100% fine - just simple gold being traded for an item.

Nearly everyone I've seen make a comment like that person did coincidently do not have the skin, and are salty about being poor while progression groups refuse to accept them for various reasons.

Buying Ra Gada for 3k when it can be obtained from an intermediate chest in Craglorn and paying 2.4M for a skin from the hardest content in the game are clearly the same thing, thank you for that clarification.

Yep, they are.

I’ll make another comparison for you - I can purchase Morag Tong Daggers for hundreds of thousands of gold, or a stack Alloys for easily over 1-1.2m gold (aka the price of a vMoL carry). It’s the most basic form of trade in ESO. Zero difference between this and a vMoL carry. I pay gold to buy an item that someone is willing to sell to me.

Since you’re the guy who was complaining earlier in this thread I’m not surprised you felt the need to respond. Tbh you have to be purposely closed-minded to not understand this stuff. I totally get if you don’t like how the vMoL skin isn’t super-exclusive like you want due to this (go get HoF/AS skins if you need “exclusive”) but that’s how it works. I love that I can buy stuff I’d never normally be able to get and I’m pretty sure everyone else does too.

Another thing to consider is that for some ppl, there is no way of obtaining certain items unless trading is possible. I’ve heard the argument from older gamers (who cannot react fast anymore) wanting their vMoL skin, so gold purchase provides them an opportunity to do so whereas normally they’d have no way of getting it. Also If someone isn’t particularly skilled or interested in perfecting rotations+burning hundreds of hours with 11 other ppl in PvE to “earn” a skin, they can buy with their accumulated gold. If you aren’t willing to grind out millions of AP to “earn” Morag Tong Daggers, you can buy them. If you can’t “earn” your Velidreth helm, you can buy it from vendor to circumvent the effort of repeatedly running vCoS. You can earn gold and pretty much stick to playing the content you like to play which is something that makes ESO great.

Vaoh

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

What’s the point of this thread??

To start debate on how carries are super evil and all of that stuff. Ban ppl who have the skin cause I’m mad, I ran in progression and we failed so ban those who buy/perform carries, rage at the world, etc.

And then the ppl saying that finally clear vMoL and get it on farm to sell carries

Mister_DMC

Vaoh wrote: »

SGT_Wolfe101st wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

SGT_Wolfe101st wrote: »

Buying carries should get you banned. Period and fact. Flexing your paid carry. I am in guild with a member that is talking about wearing his carried skin with "Pride". Carries devalue the achievement and now skins, titles, nothing is an indication of anything. I can't stand this "I want it, so I should be able to get it" ideology. I too want the skin from vMoL and when my group completes it I will have it, I couldn't imagine wearing a skin that I bought for a carry.

As long as the carry is bought with in-game gold and not real world currency I do not see why someone should be banned for this. If 11 other players feel skilled enough to carry someone through content why shouldn't they be able to offer their services for gold? Seems to me like a fair, in-game economic transaction.

Yup. It's no different than purchasing anything else in the game. There's just a lot much more salt surrounding the item's value.

I bought Ra Gada gloves motif for 3K yesterday.... I didn't earn the item myself but I did purchase it from another player for gold who earned it for me. If that's not bannable then there's no reason why this would be since I purchased an item/service from another player for gold. As long as no account-sharing/cheating/real money transaction etc is occurring it's all 100% fine - just simple gold being traded for an item.

Nearly everyone I've seen make a comment like that person did coincidently do not have the skin, and are salty about being poor while progression groups refuse to accept them for various reasons.

Buying Ra Gada for 3k when it can be obtained from an intermediate chest in Craglorn and paying 2.4M for a skin from the hardest content in the game are clearly the same thing, thank you for that clarification.

Yep, they are.

I’ll make another comparison for you - I can purchase Morag Tong Daggers for hundreds of thousands of gold, or a stack Alloys for easily over 1-1.2m gold (aka the price of a vMoL carry). It’s the most basic form of trade in ESO. Zero difference between this and a vMoL carry. I pay gold to buy an item that someone is willing to sell to me.

Since you’re the guy who was complaining earlier in this thread I’m not surprised you felt the need to respond. Tbh you have to be purposely closed-minded to not understand this stuff. I totally get if you don’t like how the vMoL skin isn’t super-exclusive like you want due to this (go get HoF/AS skins if you need “exclusive”) but that’s how it works. I love that I can buy stuff I’d never normally be able to get and I’m pretty sure everyone else does too.

Another thing to consider is that for some ppl, there is no way of obtaining certain items unless trading is possible. I’ve heard the argument from older gamers (who cannot react fast anymore) wanting their vMoL skin, so gold purchase provides them an opportunity to do so whereas normally they’d have no way of getting it. Also If someone isn’t particularly skilled or interested in perfecting rotations+burning hundreds of hours with 11 other ppl in PvE to “earn” a skin, they can buy with their accumulated gold. If you aren’t willing to grind out millions of AP to “earn” Morag Tong Daggers, you can buy them. If you can’t “earn” your Velidreth helm, you can buy it from vendor to circumvent the effort of repeatedly running vCoS. You can earn gold and pretty much stick to playing the content you like to play which is something that makes ESO great.

You have a point, but what's boggling my mind is... You didn't have Ra Gada gloves? You've run hundreds and hundreds of trials

LadyNalcarya

KingYogi415 wrote: »

1 mil that's hilarious.

I saw a group streaming themselves selling skin runs for 100k.

So congratz on cheating the hardest content in the game, I guess you beat the game and can quit now!

Maybe thats 100k per player? Which means 1,1 million in total.
Because otherwise its not really worth it. XD

Danksta

kylewwefan wrote: »

It’s probably not even 100 anymore. And you should know that. I’ve seen ya plenty of training videos.

Wait til VMoL is the weekly and there’s the same 30 or so players strewn all up and down the leaderboard on different toons....and the leaderboard doesn’t even close to max out.

Sure some of that stuff is legit, but a lot is carry. Carry. Carry.

Dude, carries don't even make it on the boards....

Mureel

kylewwefan wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Tank looking for carry vas +2 carry, i must mt, paying 2 mil.

VHOF is 3.4mil and I think VAS may be the same. You gotta pony up for that carry. IDGAF what role you think your gonna play, gotta pay first. 2 mil. Make me laugh.

Why are all your posts dripping with disdain?

It's just a game dude.

Live and let live.

Vaoh

Mister_DMC wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

SGT_Wolfe101st wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

SGT_Wolfe101st wrote: »

Buying carries should get you banned. Period and fact. Flexing your paid carry. I am in guild with a member that is talking about wearing his carried skin with "Pride". Carries devalue the achievement and now skins, titles, nothing is an indication of anything. I can't stand this "I want it, so I should be able to get it" ideology. I too want the skin from vMoL and when my group completes it I will have it, I couldn't imagine wearing a skin that I bought for a carry.

As long as the carry is bought with in-game gold and not real world currency I do not see why someone should be banned for this. If 11 other players feel skilled enough to carry someone through content why shouldn't they be able to offer their services for gold? Seems to me like a fair, in-game economic transaction.

Yup. It's no different than purchasing anything else in the game. There's just a lot much more salt surrounding the item's value.

I bought Ra Gada gloves motif for 3K yesterday.... I didn't earn the item myself but I did purchase it from another player for gold who earned it for me. If that's not bannable then there's no reason why this would be since I purchased an item/service from another player for gold. As long as no account-sharing/cheating/real money transaction etc is occurring it's all 100% fine - just simple gold being traded for an item.

Nearly everyone I've seen make a comment like that person did coincidently do not have the skin, and are salty about being poor while progression groups refuse to accept them for various reasons.

Buying Ra Gada for 3k when it can be obtained from an intermediate chest in Craglorn and paying 2.4M for a skin from the hardest content in the game are clearly the same thing, thank you for that clarification.

Yep, they are.

I’ll make another comparison for you - I can purchase Morag Tong Daggers for hundreds of thousands of gold, or a stack Alloys for easily over 1-1.2m gold (aka the price of a vMoL carry). It’s the most basic form of trade in ESO. Zero difference between this and a vMoL carry. I pay gold to buy an item that someone is willing to sell to me.

Since you’re the guy who was complaining earlier in this thread I’m not surprised you felt the need to respond. Tbh you have to be purposely closed-minded to not understand this stuff. I totally get if you don’t like how the vMoL skin isn’t super-exclusive like you want due to this (go get HoF/AS skins if you need “exclusive”) but that’s how it works. I love that I can buy stuff I’d never normally be able to get and I’m pretty sure everyone else does too.

Another thing to consider is that for some ppl, there is no way of obtaining certain items unless trading is possible. I’ve heard the argument from older gamers (who cannot react fast anymore) wanting their vMoL skin, so gold purchase provides them an opportunity to do so whereas normally they’d have no way of getting it. Also If someone isn’t particularly skilled or interested in perfecting rotations+burning hundreds of hours with 11 other ppl in PvE to “earn” a skin, they can buy with their accumulated gold. If you aren’t willing to grind out millions of AP to “earn” Morag Tong Daggers, you can buy them. If you can’t “earn” your Velidreth helm, you can buy it from vendor to circumvent the effort of repeatedly running vCoS. You can earn gold and pretty much stick to playing the content you like to play which is something that makes ESO great.

You have a point, but what's boggling my mind is... You didn't have Ra Gada gloves? You've run hundreds and hundreds of trials

I barely had any Celestial styles learned either

All this time I’ve given away my more valuable motifs to friends or ppl who craft for me. Celestial/Ra Gada/cheaper motifs I gave away for free.

Now that the outfit system is out..... time to start collecting lol

Mureel

Jura23 wrote: »

Amp151 wrote: »

Paid Carry/carry = unskilled player who's not good enough to deserve the skin imo
If you're fine with that though, awesome go pay for it.

Pretend you're good enough to clear vMaw on your own accord by "flexing" an achievement based skin that you don't have the skill to achieve.
Ppl will know how you got that skin when they play hard content with you.

If you're having trouble finding solid groups to run with chances are it's you and not the others.

I don't have any trouble finding/building groups that are capable of succeeding in hard content.

Hardest content in the game ain't for everyone...

Hardest content in the game is PvP.

Lol! Hardest content in the game is ERP!

Voxicity

kylewwefan wrote: »

Im pretty happy with the carry. My Vampire Khajit looks soooo much better now.

Not wasting anymore time with a progression that will probably never run again once they get what they want. Hoping to make a roster; or making a roster when I know I can’t run, then feel bad cause I just gave up a possible chance to finally get a clear.

Whatever. It’s done. I don’t have much interest in the other skins, so they can wait awhile.

To be fair I have nothing against people buying skins, but your signature would lead one to assume you have cleared vMoL on your Khajiit through legitimate means, which is a bit weird considering you bought it and therefore isn't really something to brag about

SGT_Wolfe101st

Vaoh wrote: »

SGT_Wolfe101st wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

SGT_Wolfe101st wrote: »

Buying carries should get you banned. Period and fact. Flexing your paid carry. I am in guild with a member that is talking about wearing his carried skin with "Pride". Carries devalue the achievement and now skins, titles, nothing is an indication of anything. I can't stand this "I want it, so I should be able to get it" ideology. I too want the skin from vMoL and when my group completes it I will have it, I couldn't imagine wearing a skin that I bought for a carry.

As long as the carry is bought with in-game gold and not real world currency I do not see why someone should be banned for this. If 11 other players feel skilled enough to carry someone through content why shouldn't they be able to offer their services for gold? Seems to me like a fair, in-game economic transaction.

Yup. It's no different than purchasing anything else in the game. There's just a lot much more salt surrounding the item's value.

I bought Ra Gada gloves motif for 3K yesterday.... I didn't earn the item myself but I did purchase it from another player for gold who earned it for me. If that's not bannable then there's no reason why this would be since I purchased an item/service from another player for gold. As long as no account-sharing/cheating/real money transaction etc is occurring it's all 100% fine - just simple gold being traded for an item.

Nearly everyone I've seen make a comment like that person did coincidently do not have the skin, and are salty about being poor while progression groups refuse to accept them for various reasons.

Buying Ra Gada for 3k when it can be obtained from an intermediate chest in Craglorn and paying 2.4M for a skin from the hardest content in the game are clearly the same thing, thank you for that clarification.

Yep, they are.

I’ll make another comparison for you - I can purchase Morag Tong Daggers for hundreds of thousands of gold, or a stack Alloys for easily over 1-1.2m gold (aka the price of a vMoL carry). It’s the most basic form of trade in ESO. Zero difference between this and a vMoL carry. I pay gold to buy an item that someone is willing to sell to me.

Since you’re the guy who was complaining earlier in this thread I’m not surprised you felt the need to respond. Tbh you have to be purposely closed-minded to not understand this stuff. I totally get if you don’t like how the vMoL skin isn’t super-exclusive like you want due to this (go get HoF/AS skins if you need “exclusive”) but that’s how it works. I love that I can buy stuff I’d never normally be able to get and I’m pretty sure everyone else does too.

Another thing to consider is that for some ppl, there is no way of obtaining certain items unless trading is possible. I’ve heard the argument from older gamers (who cannot react fast anymore) wanting their vMoL skin, so gold purchase provides them an opportunity to do so whereas normally they’d have no way of getting it. Also If someone isn’t particularly skilled or interested in perfecting rotations+burning hundreds of hours with 11 other ppl in PvE to “earn” a skin, they can buy with their accumulated gold. If you aren’t willing to grind out millions of AP to “earn” Morag Tong Daggers, you can buy them. If you can’t “earn” your Velidreth helm, you can buy it from vendor to circumvent the effort of repeatedly running vCoS. You can earn gold and pretty much stick to playing the content you like to play which is something that makes ESO great.

Ok so I am closed minded. Morag Tong is obtained grinding AP, no real accomplishment, farming mats takes zero effort and no one is walking around boasting about the amount of Ruby Ash in their craft bag. I am okay with things being out of reach, with getting things that take effort, I am not okay with buying runs, in anything, I cringe when I see people buying Skyreach runs, just play the game. Lastly having an opinion and sharing that opinion isn't complaining, buy all the runs you want, justify why you think it is okay. You can insult me or suggest I am closed minded or bad at the game, I however have earned everything that I have in this game. That may be inconsequential but it means something to me.

Zagnut123Zagnut123

kylewwefan wrote: »

Just pay for it. By far the quickest and easiest way to get it done.

Exceptions would be if you’re gonna be in a guild that runs it normally.....most likely you’ll never run it again. Do you do anything else with your progression group? I never see anyone posting “ Hey you wanna go run VMoL?” It doesn’t happen. Or they can’t beat the first boss. Or the twins. Or the runners keep getting g everyone killed.

I joined yet another progression group in January. Got a whole new gear set to grind out and level up. At the same time I decided to make as much gold I could. Started with about 200k. I made my 1.2 mil gold far quicker than I imagined. I’ve been in Trials guilds for long time. I’m done with Trials guilds.

Ask around trade guilds. Pay the piper.

One of these guys doing carry invite a “friend” in to take his spot so she can get skinned while I’m stuck paying 1.2 mil that’s supposed to include all jewelry but I only get 8....whatever. Got the skin. Never going back. You just wouldn’t with a different group every time. You’d never go anywhere.

I have to admit, it is fun being in a group of players that all hit 35k+. Game mechanics are just silly sometimes.

VHOF is quite a bit more, but after running through there on normal with a pug....it’s well worth it. Deal with the shady scum. Be happy with your sweet new skin. Then rock it and flex like your an eso badass. Not everyone can raise a mil gold.

Never pay for this dude. The best way to get into grps and do trials is to get to know ppl you need to network. Trial running is a social and skip thing but if you lack in the skills area u can get by, by being social and vice versa. You can work on your dps, healing, or tanking and make yourself indespensible. I can tho paying for a skin carry will blacklist you as a raider for as long as you raid that's why I suggest against it.

Izaki

I don't see what's wrong with buying carry runs for gold.

Vaoh

SGT_Wolfe101st wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

SGT_Wolfe101st wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

SGT_Wolfe101st wrote: »

Buying carries should get you banned. Period and fact. Flexing your paid carry. I am in guild with a member that is talking about wearing his carried skin with "Pride". Carries devalue the achievement and now skins, titles, nothing is an indication of anything. I can't stand this "I want it, so I should be able to get it" ideology. I too want the skin from vMoL and when my group completes it I will have it, I couldn't imagine wearing a skin that I bought for a carry.

As long as the carry is bought with in-game gold and not real world currency I do not see why someone should be banned for this. If 11 other players feel skilled enough to carry someone through content why shouldn't they be able to offer their services for gold? Seems to me like a fair, in-game economic transaction.

Yup. It's no different than purchasing anything else in the game. There's just a lot much more salt surrounding the item's value.

I bought Ra Gada gloves motif for 3K yesterday.... I didn't earn the item myself but I did purchase it from another player for gold who earned it for me. If that's not bannable then there's no reason why this would be since I purchased an item/service from another player for gold. As long as no account-sharing/cheating/real money transaction etc is occurring it's all 100% fine - just simple gold being traded for an item.

Nearly everyone I've seen make a comment like that person did coincidently do not have the skin, and are salty about being poor while progression groups refuse to accept them for various reasons.

Buying Ra Gada for 3k when it can be obtained from an intermediate chest in Craglorn and paying 2.4M for a skin from the hardest content in the game are clearly the same thing, thank you for that clarification.

Yep, they are.

I’ll make another comparison for you - I can purchase Morag Tong Daggers for hundreds of thousands of gold, or a stack Alloys for easily over 1-1.2m gold (aka the price of a vMoL carry). It’s the most basic form of trade in ESO. Zero difference between this and a vMoL carry. I pay gold to buy an item that someone is willing to sell to me.

Since you’re the guy who was complaining earlier in this thread I’m not surprised you felt the need to respond. Tbh you have to be purposely closed-minded to not understand this stuff. I totally get if you don’t like how the vMoL skin isn’t super-exclusive like you want due to this (go get HoF/AS skins if you need “exclusive”) but that’s how it works. I love that I can buy stuff I’d never normally be able to get and I’m pretty sure everyone else does too.

Another thing to consider is that for some ppl, there is no way of obtaining certain items unless trading is possible. I’ve heard the argument from older gamers (who cannot react fast anymore) wanting their vMoL skin, so gold purchase provides them an opportunity to do so whereas normally they’d have no way of getting it. Also If someone isn’t particularly skilled or interested in perfecting rotations+burning hundreds of hours with 11 other ppl in PvE to “earn” a skin, they can buy with their accumulated gold. If you aren’t willing to grind out millions of AP to “earn” Morag Tong Daggers, you can buy them. If you can’t “earn” your Velidreth helm, you can buy it from vendor to circumvent the effort of repeatedly running vCoS. You can earn gold and pretty much stick to playing the content you like to play which is something that makes ESO great.

Ok so I am closed minded. Morag Tong is obtained grinding AP, no real accomplishment, farming mats takes zero effort and no one is walking around boasting about the amount of Ruby Ash in their craft bag. I am okay with things being out of reach, with getting things that take effort, I am not okay with buying runs, in anything, I cringe when I see people buying Skyreach runs, just play the game. Lastly having an opinion and sharing that opinion isn't complaining, buy all the runs you want, justify why you think it is okay. You can insult me or suggest I am closed minded or bad at the game, I however have earned everything that I have in this game. That may be inconsequential but it means something to me.

I never said you can’t have an opinion lol. Don’t start with that to justify being unreasonable. It’s great that you’re proud of what you’ve done in game.

You say that PvP, farming, basically anything that does not involve specifically earning a trial-based skin is not an accomplishment. That part is your opinion.

You also completely refuse to even acknowledge how buying a skin and buying other items (like a stack of tempers, monster helm, AP/Tel Var based item, etc) is the same thing or at least similar -> gold for an item. It’s called Trading. That’s the part that makes you closed-minded, because you selectively hear what you want and avoid or skew any sort opposing opinion on the subject. Instead of acknowledging why people view skin carries as the same as purchasing other items, you say that nothing else in the game has true value accept the skin so comparisons can’t be made.

Then you start complaining about how much the whole concept of “carries” triggers you, and say that all ppl who have bought carries should be banned..... I shouldn’t have to elaborate on why what you’re saying is ridiculous here lol.

Not an issue that you don’t like carries. It’s your opinion. Still you have to at least attempt to be reasonable.

rustic_potato

SGT_Wolfe101st wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

SGT_Wolfe101st wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

SGT_Wolfe101st wrote: »

Buying carries should get you banned. Period and fact. Flexing your paid carry. I am in guild with a member that is talking about wearing his carried skin with "Pride". Carries devalue the achievement and now skins, titles, nothing is an indication of anything. I can't stand this "I want it, so I should be able to get it" ideology. I too want the skin from vMoL and when my group completes it I will have it, I couldn't imagine wearing a skin that I bought for a carry.

As long as the carry is bought with in-game gold and not real world currency I do not see why someone should be banned for this. If 11 other players feel skilled enough to carry someone through content why shouldn't they be able to offer their services for gold? Seems to me like a fair, in-game economic transaction.

Yup. It's no different than purchasing anything else in the game. There's just a lot much more salt surrounding the item's value.

I bought Ra Gada gloves motif for 3K yesterday.... I didn't earn the item myself but I did purchase it from another player for gold who earned it for me. If that's not bannable then there's no reason why this would be since I purchased an item/service from another player for gold. As long as no account-sharing/cheating/real money transaction etc is occurring it's all 100% fine - just simple gold being traded for an item.

Nearly everyone I've seen make a comment like that person did coincidently do not have the skin, and are salty about being poor while progression groups refuse to accept them for various reasons.

Buying Ra Gada for 3k when it can be obtained from an intermediate chest in Craglorn and paying 2.4M for a skin from the hardest content in the game are clearly the same thing, thank you for that clarification.

Yep, they are.

I’ll make another comparison for you - I can purchase Morag Tong Daggers for hundreds of thousands of gold, or a stack Alloys for easily over 1-1.2m gold (aka the price of a vMoL carry). It’s the most basic form of trade in ESO. Zero difference between this and a vMoL carry. I pay gold to buy an item that someone is willing to sell to me.

Since you’re the guy who was complaining earlier in this thread I’m not surprised you felt the need to respond. Tbh you have to be purposely closed-minded to not understand this stuff. I totally get if you don’t like how the vMoL skin isn’t super-exclusive like you want due to this (go get HoF/AS skins if you need “exclusive”) but that’s how it works. I love that I can buy stuff I’d never normally be able to get and I’m pretty sure everyone else does too.

Another thing to consider is that for some ppl, there is no way of obtaining certain items unless trading is possible. I’ve heard the argument from older gamers (who cannot react fast anymore) wanting their vMoL skin, so gold purchase provides them an opportunity to do so whereas normally they’d have no way of getting it. Also If someone isn’t particularly skilled or interested in perfecting rotations+burning hundreds of hours with 11 other ppl in PvE to “earn” a skin, they can buy with their accumulated gold. If you aren’t willing to grind out millions of AP to “earn” Morag Tong Daggers, you can buy them. If you can’t “earn” your Velidreth helm, you can buy it from vendor to circumvent the effort of repeatedly running vCoS. You can earn gold and pretty much stick to playing the content you like to play which is something that makes ESO great.

Ok so I am closed minded. Morag Tong is obtained grinding AP, no real accomplishment, farming mats takes zero effort and no one is walking around boasting about the amount of Ruby Ash in their craft bag. I am okay with things being out of reach, with getting things that take effort, I am not okay with buying runs, in anything, I cringe when I see people buying Skyreach runs, just play the game. Lastly having an opinion and sharing that opinion isn't complaining, buy all the runs you want, justify why you think it is okay. You can insult me or suggest I am closed minded or bad at the game, I however have earned everything that I have in this game. That may be inconsequential but it means something to me.

If you value your worth by virtual in game achievements, well there is nothing much I can say about that. End of the day this is just a game. None of your achievements or titles are going to matter when they finally shut down the servers.

Zagnut123Zagnut123

Izaki wrote: »

I don't see what's wrong with buying carry runs for gold.

There isn't anything but if you ever want to do trial progression I wouldn't do it. Having skins isn't a good way into doing trials and some ppl seem to think once I have the skins then I can raid. But it doesn't work that way. If you want a skin for do reasons or if your a PvP'er or a solo completionist go for it. But I'd suggest against if you think it's your ticket into raiding.