Taylor_MB wrote: »

This again...

Duelist hang around cities for the exact same reason everyone else does, it's not hard to figure out. I'll spell it out anyway;

1) Easy access to bank
• Swap sets between toons.
• Try different food/potions that only one toon can craft.
• Depositing the million of decon materials from the Rewards of Worthless spam.

2) Easy access to craft stations
• Upgrading gear on a promising build that you've been testing out 20 metres away.
• Crafting new pot/food combinations.

3) Guild traders
• So we can quickly put together a 5pc to see how it synergizes with a skill/set/passive and determine how accurate the tooltip is (probably not very).

4) A f#$%ing wayshrine
• You like all the "amenities" being easy to port to, why would people who want to duel ride to the middle of bumf#$% nowhere to duel with nothing near by that helps facilitate changing gear/build?

Side Notes:
• No one gives a rats behind about your "pro" BG title, apart from a few of the healing ones they can all be lucked.
• Most people know about the arena, and it is used for orgainised dueling tournaments, but for random duels or short sessions it is highly inconvenient for all the reasons listed above.

Taylor_MB wrote: »

This again...

Duelist hang around cities for the exact same reason everyone else does, it's not hard to figure out. I'll spell it out anyway;

1) Easy access to bank
• Swap sets between toons.
• Try different food/potions that only one toon can craft.
• Depositing the million of decon materials from the Rewards of Worthless spam.

2) Easy access to craft stations
• Upgrading gear on a promising build that you've been testing out 20 metres away.
• Crafting new pot/food combinations.

3) Guild traders
• So we can quickly put together a 5pc to see how it synergizes with a skill/set/passive and determine how accurate the tooltip is (probably not very).

4) A f#$%ing wayshrine
• You like all the "amenities" being easy to port to, why would people who want to duel ride to the middle of bumf#$% nowhere to duel with nothing near by that helps facilitate changing gear/build?

Side Notes:
• No one gives a rats behind about your "pro" BG title, apart from a few of the healing ones they can all be lucked.
• Most people know about the arena, and it is used for orgainised dueling tournaments, but for random duels or short sessions it is highly inconvenient for all the reasons listed above.

Raudgrani wrote: »

Luigi_Vampa wrote: »

Taylor_MB wrote: »

This again...

Duelist hang around cities for the exact same reason everyone else does, it's not hard to figure out. I'll spell it out anyway;

1) Easy access to bank
• Swap sets between toons.
• Try different food/potions that only one toon can craft.
• Depositing the million of decon materials from the Rewards of Worthless spam.

2) Easy access to craft stations
• Upgrading gear on a promising build that you've been testing out 20 metres away.
• Crafting new pot/food combinations.

3) Guild traders
• So we can quickly put together a 5pc to see how it synergizes with a skill/set/passive and determine how accurate the tooltip is (probably not very).

4) A f#$%ing wayshrine
• You like all the "amenities" being easy to port to, why would people who want to duel ride to the middle of bumf#$% nowhere to duel with nothing near by that helps facilitate changing gear/build?

Side Notes:
• No one gives a rats behind about your "pro" BG title, apart from a few of the healing ones they can all be lucked.
• Most people know about the arena, and it is used for orgainised dueling tournaments, but for random duels or short sessions it is highly inconvenient for all the reasons listed above.

This is a great post. I've been saying this since dueling came out. People think duelers are some "look at me!" types or want to beat up random or low level people. While there are bound to be a few of those, most duelers just want to fight. They fight in cities, because as Taylor said, that is where *** is.

I'll add on to what is needed at Hammerdeath.

1. Undaunted conclave. Besides Hammerdeath being a place the undaunted would absolutely love, a lot of people like dueling while waiting for dungeons or waiting on friends to finish their damn crafting writ guantlet across all their characters so they'll finally be ready for pledges...

2. I'd like to see battlegrounds made a part of the base game and battleground vendors and such added to Hammerdeath.

Give PvPers a cool hangout spot with all the stuff they would normally need a town for and you'll see less dueling in town. And as a benefit, if you still see duelers in town, you can tell those scrubs to get their asses to where the real PvP players live.

Seriously, how much do you "need" to do this? Saw someone mention crafting stations and what not, are people really doing that? Buying and improving pieces of armor at that very spot, just for experimental purposes? On a daily basis? And then challenge random people who pass by? At that, I don't think I know more than like 2 people who don't have their own banker - and standing near the wayshrine in Mournhold is hardly very close to the bank either, if it's the guild bank you're after.

I don't know how to put it in English, but "it smells a bit like bull**** here" to be honest.

Raudgrani wrote: »

Luigi_Vampa wrote: »

Raudgrani wrote: »

Luigi_Vampa wrote: »

Taylor_MB wrote: »

This again...

Duelist hang around cities for the exact same reason everyone else does, it's not hard to figure out. I'll spell it out anyway;

1) Easy access to bank
• Swap sets between toons.
• Try different food/potions that only one toon can craft.
• Depositing the million of decon materials from the Rewards of Worthless spam.

2) Easy access to craft stations
• Upgrading gear on a promising build that you've been testing out 20 metres away.
• Crafting new pot/food combinations.

3) Guild traders
• So we can quickly put together a 5pc to see how it synergizes with a skill/set/passive and determine how accurate the tooltip is (probably not very).

4) A f#$%ing wayshrine
• You like all the "amenities" being easy to port to, why would people who want to duel ride to the middle of bumf#$% nowhere to duel with nothing near by that helps facilitate changing gear/build?

Side Notes:
• No one gives a rats behind about your "pro" BG title, apart from a few of the healing ones they can all be lucked.
• Most people know about the arena, and it is used for orgainised dueling tournaments, but for random duels or short sessions it is highly inconvenient for all the reasons listed above.

This is a great post. I've been saying this since dueling came out. People think duelers are some "look at me!" types or want to beat up random or low level people. While there are bound to be a few of those, most duelers just want to fight. They fight in cities, because as Taylor said, that is where *** is.

I'll add on to what is needed at Hammerdeath.

1. Undaunted conclave. Besides Hammerdeath being a place the undaunted would absolutely love, a lot of people like dueling while waiting for dungeons or waiting on friends to finish their damn crafting writ guantlet across all their characters so they'll finally be ready for pledges...

2. I'd like to see battlegrounds made a part of the base game and battleground vendors and such added to Hammerdeath.

Give PvPers a cool hangout spot with all the stuff they would normally need a town for and you'll see less dueling in town. And as a benefit, if you still see duelers in town, you can tell those scrubs to get their asses to where the real PvP players live.

Seriously, how much do you "need" to do this? Saw someone mention crafting stations and what not, are people really doing that? Buying and improving pieces of armor at that very spot, just for experimental purposes? On a daily basis? And then challenge random people who pass by? At that, I don't think I know more than like 2 people who don't have their own banker - and standing near the wayshrine in Mournhold is hardly very close to the bank either, if it's the guild bank you're after.

I don't know how to put it in English, but "it smells a bit like bull**** here" to be honest.

It is more of a way to get PvPers to gather in one spot. So how about giving them the space with the things they need? You ask duelers why they don't use Hammerdeath arena and when we give you reasons why, you think we're are full of ***?

Duelers don't use Hammerdeath because there is nothing there. The wayshrine isn't very close, no bank, no guild traders, no merchants, no crafting tables, nothing. All those reasons PvEers go to towns, for basic utilty, PvPers need too. People do sometimes hold dueling tourneys there, but most dueling isn't some super organized and preplanned event. For impromptu dueling, do you really expect people to hang out in the middle of nowhere hoping to find someone to fight? Do you want an actual solution for dueling in cities, or do you just want to whine about how hard it is to turn auto decline on and off.

I more of expect them not to hang out - literally - in the middle of a Wayshrine inside a well populated area. I ain't "giving them the space they need", if that's what they are asking. Some less left behind people do their dueling outside for example mournhold, just by the Undaunted enclave, which is fine. I still have no clue what you are supposed to do with banks, crafting tables and everything else if you are supposed to duel. I don't buy that. There just can't be a constant need to improve or buy gear just because you duel.
It's likely more of pure laziness, and picking on easy targets. I bet some even do it right there just to be a pain in the *** as well. There are not exactly any shortage of spoiled brats without manners.

Raudgrani wrote: »

I guess this has been brought up before, but it doesn't hurt to do it again.

Hammerdeath Arena in Stormhaven, obviously a place meant for dueling - why don't people go there? Why are these "duelists" hanging around the wayshrine in Mournhold and other major cities, literally harassing random people with dueling invites, and more or less draining server power by dueling in these probably already overloaded areas? And I mean, standing among guild traders while 4-5 couple of people duel all around you? I mean, ffs... It's really, really annoying. Frankly, I don't think you should even be able to duel inside city walls, it's pretty stupid really.

I duel once in a while, sometimes I do it with some friends, but I don't really fancy random duel invites (I know I can turn it off, you don't need to tell me - but then I need to turn it ON if I want to do it) when I'm on my tank, my healer, my crafter or some PVE damage dealer. I mean, if I'm on my Battlegrounds/PVP toons, be my guest.

So: To all these eager duelists, why don't you hang around Hammerdeath Arena, you could duel for hours with likeminded people - instead of harassing low levels and random people busy with all sorts of things? Maybe that's part of the thing? Pick on easy unsuspecting targets? I noticed I rarely or hardly ever get any duel invites if I'm using some of these Battlegrounds titles, so I guess that's it. People generally like to win, and pick what they deem easy victims.

I'm sure quite some people don't even know about this arena place, but check it out and spread the word among duel enthusiasts. Many of us really wouldn't cry if we didn't need to see you around all these major city wayshrines, if you get my point.