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I now know why ZoS does only dps mechanics
Waffennacht
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Because people are too @#_&ing stupid to get out of the red.
To memorize a simple AoE pattern.
On Scalecaller, stand between two dragons and side step the AoE and the fire balls that's it.
If you stand anywhere else you're in stupid
The last boss shouldn't take 3 days to beat
Put away the darn skoomah and pay attention!
The original version had a lot more bleeps
To memorize a simple AoE pattern.
On Scalecaller, stand between two dragons and side step the AoE and the fire balls that's it.
If you stand anywhere else you're in stupid
The last boss shouldn't take 3 days to beat
Put away the darn skoomah and pay attention!
The original version had a lot more bleeps
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Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Because people are too @#_&ing stupid to get out of the red.
To memorize a simple AoE pattern.
On Scalecaller, stand between two dragons and side step the AoE and the fire balls that's it.
If you stand anywhere else you're in stupid
The last boss shouldn't take 3 days to beat
Put away the darn skoomah and pay attention!
The original version had a lot more bleeps
Plus if your DPS is fast enough, then you will hit add phase (it will go from the fire you block off others, to adds directly) before poison spray. We almost never even have spray til nearer the end of the fight.Edited by Mureel on March 1, 2018 12:19PM0 -
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✭✭Scalecaller is the place that shows who understands mechanics, and who dont.Cleared Trials:
- vAA HM - vHRC HM - vSO HM - vMoL HM - vHoF HM - vAS HM - vCR HM -
"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching."
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wolfxspice✭✭✭the only issues i have with scalecaller peak is hard mode, the poison spray is really fast, not impossible but really unforgiving, and the aoe's you need to stand in to survive the one shot mechanic they feel unresponsive.I'm a casual now3 -
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✭✭✭wolfxspice wrote: »the only issues i have with scalecaller peak is hard mode, the poison spray is really fast, not impossible but really unforgiving, and the aoe's you need to stand in to survive the one shot mechanic they feel unresponsive.
This so much! And also the synergy for the Zaans green shield thing (on HM for those who don't know, in Zaans shield, there is a synergy you have to activate) fails sometimes.
I also think there is a CD on the orb stone because we've had a DD got stoned right before that phase and the tank was legit standing in the beam aoe and never got stoned....
I really think the patch that made the stoning easier actually made the HM harder, because if that even barely touch you now, rekt.Edited by Mureel on March 1, 2018 1:35PM1 -
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✭I did that dungeon yesterday on vet, the stress was real - the story is in here
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/398499/best-worst-dungeon-or-trail-run-stories# latestXbox one EU
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Saint_Bud✭✭✭✭What dps mechanik? Tell me just one that is left in a 4 player dungeon. People make no death runs with phönix and yokeda in the case rng is not your friend.PVP Saint-Bud magicka Templar: AR 49
PVE Lord Victarion mDK : dro'm-Athra-Destroyer pre Morrowind retired for crafting
PVE Ramsay-Bolton magicka NB: Voice of Reason Clockwork City Patch retired
VAA hm/ VHRC hm/ VSO hm/ VMOL hm/ VHOF hm/ VAS hm clear
Stop playing PVE because its boring, content not disigned for melee players and class balance and sustain is ***0 -
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✭✭✭Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »I did that dungeon yesterday on vet, the stress was real - the story is in here
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/398499/best-worst-dungeon-or-trail-run-stories# latest
Yeah vet is easy really but HM is not messing around. Off to read your post.0 -
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✭✭✭I have done the stupid HM. It is a mess. Its RNG, lag causes deaths out of the area, and before the telegraph. And its rather ranged biased, since they can stay in position and deal with the mechanics, for instance the pillar, or the adds whilst maintaining enough distance to not get rip'd when someone has fire. I see "ranged pref" all too constantly.MagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭What dps mechanik? Tell me just one that is left in a 4 player dungeon. People make no death runs with phönix and yokeda in the case rng is not your friend.
Yeah some people used that to cheese - but we are not those people.
I did have one guy tell me is easier to go 3 dps and tank- I couldn't say if that's true but given my team has amazing dps and Godtank, and they are still getting so much dmg at some points, I cannot see that yet. Will need to investigate further.0 -
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✭✭✭✭OP, amazing how many don't understand that you don't have to move in that fight as much as people assume.
Hug the line and you just shift a few steps. Be already behind the tank when Zaan proc's and you've already done half the work for them.
People tend to overthink a lot of these setups, or they just outright panic.
Comes down to how self sufficient your group is.What dps mechanik? Tell me just one that is left in a 4 player dungeon. People make no death runs with phönix and yokeda in the case rng is not your friend.
Yeah some people used that to cheese - but we are not those people.
I did have one guy tell me is easier to go 3 dps and tank- I couldn't say if that's true but given my team has amazing dps and Godtank, and they are still getting so much dmg at some points, I cannot see that yet. Will need to investigate further.
Kicker is, if they are that self sufficient, they're probably not having issues with respecting mechanics anyway with the usual Trinity setup.
Shouldn't have to go into content with a healer and dps pre-rocking Kagrenac's...cough...*Dev livestream*..,cough.
No content should require specific gear setups to complete. Some may make it easier (or cheesier), but it should never be mandatory.
Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
Probably has checkbox on Customer Service profile that say High Aggro, 99% immunity to BS1 -
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✭I have done the stupid HM. It is a mess. Its RNG, lag causes deaths out of the area, and before the telegraph. And its rather ranged biased, since they can stay in position and deal with the mechanics, for instance the pillar, or the adds whilst maintaining enough distance to not get rip'd when someone has fire. I see "ranged pref" all too constantly.
Most bosses are ranged biased. Fang Lair HM would be so much easier on ranged; FH has entire phases where melee can barely attack; WGT, ICP? Ranged.
BRF, CoS, and RoM are the only ones that aren't ranged biased.1 -
CompM4s✭✭✭✭✭Kind of annoying how its not reliable to roll dodge out of spray. Better to run than roll.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Kind of annoying how its not reliable to roll dodge out of spray. Better to run than roll.
Step to the left 2m, step to the right 2m
STAND EXACTLY WHERE TWO OF THE AREAS MEET
Don't run, don't roll dodge...
BE IN THE PROPER LOCATION.
I do NOT see how PvE players can handle this $&-+
In PvP I only have to rely on other players to win, not to just complete the freaking match1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Why would someone who thinks they are a great player be so condescending when sharing information. It seems this thread was created to come off as acting superior vs actually providing information that could be helpful to others. Personally glad I play with people more constructive in how they convey such messages.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Kind of annoying how its not reliable to roll dodge out of spray. Better to run than roll.
Step to the left 2m, step to the right 2m
STAND EXACTLY WHERE TWO OF THE AREAS MEET
Don't run, don't roll dodge...
BE IN THE PROPER LOCATION.
I do NOT see how PvE players can handle this $&-+
In PvP I only have to rely on other players to win, not to just complete the freaking match
HM or non-HM?
In non-HM, it's easy to have everyone stacked on the seam. But in non-HM, it's also easy to push the boss so fast that you don't see poison. I did a 3x DPS run where we literally never saw poison. This was non-HM.
But in HM, yes, you want to stay on the seam, but sometimes that's not possible. There are too many things going on, and the roaming mechanics deny space and often force people to move out of position. I've gotten Mountain God (with no Phoenix/Yokeda procs), and it definitely feels like luck is a strong component, because we can still wipe on HM due to bad luck with positioning.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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✭✭✭I have done the stupid HM. It is a mess. Its RNG, lag causes deaths out of the area, and before the telegraph. And its rather ranged biased, since they can stay in position and deal with the mechanics, for instance the pillar, or the adds whilst maintaining enough distance to not get rip'd when someone has fire. I see "ranged pref" all too constantly.
Most bosses are ranged biased. Fang Lair HM would be so much easier on ranged; FH has entire phases where melee can barely attack; WGT, ICP? Ranged.
BRF, CoS, and RoM are the only ones that aren't ranged biased.
WGT and ICP not exactly, yeah, the bosses move a little, but there is no part where a melee is completely useless due tgo mechanics, such as in vFH, and vSP. (vFL HM is a bit different, crushing shock is important, but a heal can run it and there are no mechanics ranged can effectively ignore)
And in most cases, the melee DPS matches ranged when having to move/as reward for the threats due to general higher damage. (Unless ur a DK/temp lul) but portions that heavily lock out melee only are bad.MagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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✭✭✭✭✭Why would someone who thinks they are a great player be so condescending when sharing information. It seems this thread was created to come off as acting superior vs actually providing information that could be helpful to others. Personally glad I play with people more constructive in how they convey such messages.
@idk Sharing what information, people blow at this game. I don't have to be the best to see how some dps can't do 10k, some tanks that can't block, healers that have a bow.
The information I wish to share in this thread is why Dungeons in this game are so easy. Every time they try to involve mechanics rather than simply attack attack attack, people get confused and fail.
No, this isn't to make any better, it's to get these GD potato to market0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Why would someone who thinks they are a great player be so condescending when sharing information. It seems this thread was created to come off as acting superior vs actually providing information that could be helpful to others. Personally glad I play with people more constructive in how they convey such messages.
@idk Sharing what information, people blow at this game. I don't have to be the best to see how some dps can't do 10k, some tanks that can't block, healers that have a bow.
The information I wish to share in this thread is why Dungeons in this game are so easy. Every time they try to involve mechanics rather than simply attack attack attack, people get confused and fail.
No, this isn't to make any better, it's to get these GD potato to market
You seemed to have understood what I was saying but missed the point. That is ok. Code made a great post explaining very well how the fight works.
Funny how they he strongest players make posts to help vs drive potatoes to market.Edited by idk on March 2, 2018 7:05PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Why would someone who thinks they are a great player be so condescending when sharing information. It seems this thread was created to come off as acting superior vs actually providing information that could be helpful to others. Personally glad I play with people more constructive in how they convey such messages.
@idk Sharing what information, people blow at this game. I don't have to be the best to see how some dps can't do 10k, some tanks that can't block, healers that have a bow.
The information I wish to share in this thread is why Dungeons in this game are so easy. Every time they try to involve mechanics rather than simply attack attack attack, people get confused and fail.
No, this isn't to make any better, it's to get these GD potato to market
You seemed to have understood what I was saying but missed the point. That is ok. Code made a great post explaining very well how the fight works.
Funny how they he strongest players make posts to help vs drive potatoes to market.
I don't need any help at all. I could solo Scalecaller if it wasn't for the fact you need more than one player.
I don't think you understand, I don't need help, I need players that can stay out of the red.
BTW got a PuG through it last night.
Of course I was the tank that way only I had to worry about making sure all mechanics were taking care of.
Which of course I did0
