The only thing missing for class balance is a Nightblade nerf.

Sevn · February 2018

I am all for nerfing cloak or removing it completely, never mind cloak being THE defining trait of NBs. Just as long as the ability to stack shields is nerfed as well. Scratch that, remove them completely.

You want NBs to stand out in the open and fight "cleanly", despite the fact assassins are meant to strike from the shadows? Than everyone else should as well, no unblockable attacks and of course no shields for you to hide behind!

Let's see how long you last without access to 20k shields saving that booty...

Koronach · February 2018

I can tell some of the people in this thread never played another MMO with a stealth class before. In other MMO's like WoW and Rift rogue classes can stay in stealth INDEFINITELY. No stam or mag to maintain it and no short timer. So count your blessings the QQ would be real on here.

ak_pvp · February 2018

Thunderknuckles wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

F_16C_VIPER wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Nbs need their deserved nerfs.

Cloak is just too much.

Sounds like a L2P issue; there's a multitude of different ways to counter cloak and it gets broken extremely easily.

Get lost with your L2P bs, cloak gives free crit heals, Its better than Dk's igneous shield, Its abused to absorb tons of damage and then crit heal while all the dots and debuffs you have are gone.

What the frick are you talking about? Neither morph of Shadow Cloak does anything like that.

Now I don't think cloak, nor NB is OP, at all. In 99% of cases I will break it, unless being Xv1'd.

But he isn't wrong. Avoidance is the best defense, and nothing can come close to cloak in the DK skill line. Not wings, not igneous, not the extra 5% mit (10% block, so 5% actual mitigation) and it pauses dots and gives guaranteed crit vigor ticks for 2.5s which out does a simple 25% extra.

Reedx · February 2018

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Nbs need their deserved nerfs.

Cloak is just too much.

I use cloak for survivability and strategy, not for offense..

And that is exactly the problem with it.

why ? its same for sorc when they just teleoprt with lighting away, and dk with all of its shields and templar with heals, just differnt playstyle but no less fair, in fact that is what make it fun to play other classes

Jhalin · February 2018

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Nbs need their deserved nerfs.

Cloak is just too much.

I use cloak for survivability and strategy, not for offense..

And that is exactly the problem with it.

Ah yes, using abilities as strategic tools is morally wrong yknow, so says Salty Bad-Player McGee because he doesn't wanna slot inner light or use detection pots

Kuramas9tails · February 2018

Jhalin wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Nbs need their deserved nerfs.

Cloak is just too much.

I use cloak for survivability and strategy, not for offense..

And that is exactly the problem with it.

Ah yes, using abilities as strategic tools is morally wrong yknow, so says Salty Bad-Player McGee because he doesn't wanna slot inner light or use detection pots

I was about to say, using a skill for strategy and survivability means that is a problem and needs a nerf?

It's an assassin class and meant for stealth striking. That's the point of a NB.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · February 2018

BigBadVolk wrote: »

Nihility42 wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

I'm thinking that if we all start insulting each other, ZOS will have to come in and close down this unimaginably stupid thread.

OP, delete your account, go play a different game, and get bent.

I hate you. You shouldn't even be playing this game you dumb, meanie

I love you all... damn it I cant do anything left!

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

You didn't specify what exactly to bring down. Keep in mind Nightblades are pretty poor in end game PvE, we don't want to worsen that.

Troll level: Expert

Since launch, nightblades have been the best designed class across the board. They have certainly not always been the most powerful, but nightblade hasnt changed a lot other than a few tweaks here and there, mostly to mericless resolve (which is currently broken, but that's a different thread). The have by far the most flexability of any class in terms of playstle, whether you need a ranged magic or an AOE stamina spammable, you got it. Good access to buffs, sustain, etc. They have a skill for most things.

I agree 100% that Nightblade is across the board the best class in the game currently, but it is also true that they have the most difficult play-style/rotation of any class:

End game PVE (talking Pushing trial Scores):

Ranged DPS: BIS
Melee DPS: BIS
Tank: Not Viable
Healer not viable

PVE 4 Man content, casual trials:
Same except tank and healers become a viable options. There are arguments to be made for them being one of the best healing options for high damage groups, that are looking for more DPS than heals from their healer.

PVE Solo Content:
Were BIS for VMA until they broke merciless, but all magic classes can break 600k in the right hands (Cough LZH Cough).

PVP
Stamina: IMO they are second best in open world behind Stam Warden, but between stam NB, Stam Warden, and Stamplar, I think you are splitting hairs (personally stamplar is my toughest counter)

Magic: Best bombers, but not anywhere near the best for open world IMO. Not that they are bad, I just dont think they standout as much. I pretty much only die to a magic NB when they pull off a good bomb.

All that said, nerf is not the answer. It is not like this class has been the recipient of grotesque buffs over the years, they have just been hit with the nerf hammer the least. I think this is arguably the one class that they got right essentially out of the gates. The much better option would be to use NB as a model to fix the other classes and bring them up to scratch.

For what its worth, I main a mag sorc in PVP, a stam sorc for melee DPS, a magblade (recently) for ranged DPS, a DK for tanking, and a Templar for healing. Only class I dont actively play is a warden, who despite their uselessness as a PVE DPS, are a pretty strong class across the board.

LISTEN TO THIS MAN, AND GIVE HIM A COOKIE OR SOMETHING!!!

I like cookies!!!

Knowledge · February 2018

Koronach wrote: »

I can tell some of the people in this thread never played another MMO with a stealth class before. In other MMO's like WoW and Rift rogue classes can stay in stealth INDEFINITELY. No stam or mag to maintain it and no short timer. So count your blessings the QQ would be real on here.

While what you say is true the rogue in WoW has also been nerfed quite a bit and it's fairly easy to remove them from stealth with Hunter traps, spectral sight, AOE, you name it.

Vahrokh · February 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

You didn't specify what exactly to bring down. Keep in mind Nightblades are pretty poor in end game PvE, we don't want to worsen that.

That has to be why 80% of trial DPS are nightblades now

ascan7 · February 2018

Koronach wrote: »

I can tell some of the people in this thread never played another MMO with a stealth class before. In other MMO's like WoW and Rift rogue classes can stay in stealth INDEFINITELY. No stam or mag to maintain it and no short timer. So count your blessings the QQ would be real on here.

Wow rogues, with their sap that can disorient you for a minute and doesn't put them out of health.
I played in a time where expose armor + backstab = 70% of your health gone at the beginning of the fight.
Good times
And people now complain. Every class had their chance to be OP, nowit's nightblades' too. Don't worry, they will be nerfed, but don't expect it to be done immediatly

Ragnarock41 · February 2018

Jhalin wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Nbs need their deserved nerfs.

Cloak is just too much.

I use cloak for survivability and strategy, not for offense..

And that is exactly the problem with it.

Ah yes, using abilities as strategic tools is morally wrong yknow, so says Salty Bad-Player McGee because he doesn't wanna slot inner light or use detection pots

honestly I Don't give a damn about morals, I see your point, but I do get all kinds of insults when I use a detect pot on a 1v1 tho, I'm playing this game for years now and this patch is the first time since literally release I started using detect pots, because I just can't deal with the cheese anymore. but I do realize these pots aren't counterplay, these shouldn't really exist, instead cloak should be less BS. These pots are as bad as befoul and cost poisons. yet they are getting more and more popular because of the nb popularity.

do I have nothing to deal with cloak then?, yes and no at the same time.
I run with both volatile armor and evil hunter to just have a chance against cloak.
Which should work on paper BUT,

Thing is, both are unreliable and expensive. Inner light and detect pots work fine but I can't use those without giving out too much, and stamDK is already in a bad spot. The class is just non viable for open world without speed-immo pots.

So this is like saying ''just use shieldbreaker if you have trouble vs shieldstackers'', Its just not how counterplay should work.

also I would like to point out that I don't care about 1v1s, 1v1s are all about who has better cheese and shouldn't be the center for balancing anyways.

So when I say cloak is BS, I'm not saying it on a 1v1 point of view, but more on a small scale point of view.

the reason why detect pots are out of question for me is because I need to keep using expedition pots as a stamDk , otherwise that nb won't even need cloak to LOS me around walls.

Using dizzying swing is also a huge disadvantage against a class that can dodge roll a lot, interrupt you a lot, LOS you a lot, and also cloak spam a lot. so what was I saying? Yeah, detect pots. Why should they even exist in the first place? In a competitive game such a thing shouldn't exist, I really find no honor in detect pots, but I also find nothing fair about a cloak spamming nb against any other stam class. Its just abusing broken mechanics.

So yeah, this is like saying ''just use cost poisons'' against magDks, which is just.... cancer mechanics.

Cyrodiil is literally crawling with nightblades at the moment, good ones, bad ones, both vivec and sotha is literally crawling with nightblades (mostly stamblades, but magblade also replaced magsorc almost completely). Even If I'm wrong, the numbers are not.

beetleklee · February 2018

Sixty5 wrote: »

I've got no problem with Nightblades being top dog in PVE. They have probably the hardest rotation to master in the game with managing Relentless Focus procs, and achieving perfect weaving in order to do so.

If you miss a weave on most classes, you are only losing out on a dab of damage, whereas on a Nightblade, you are breaking your entire skill order, and missing out on some sustain from siphoning (lol)

Stam DK has zero sustain issues, one of the easiest rotations in the game, and pulls massive numbers in PVE. If anything needs a smack over the head with the nerf bat, it is them.

Naw, leave StamDK be. I'm sick of this game nerfing DKs and pigeon-holing them into a tank only role. Not gonna shelve another character for vet trials.

Ragnarock41 · February 2018

beetleklee wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

I've got no problem with Nightblades being top dog in PVE. They have probably the hardest rotation to master in the game with managing Relentless Focus procs, and achieving perfect weaving in order to do so.

If you miss a weave on most classes, you are only losing out on a dab of damage, whereas on a Nightblade, you are breaking your entire skill order, and missing out on some sustain from siphoning (lol)

Stam DK has zero sustain issues, one of the easiest rotations in the game, and pulls massive numbers in PVE. If anything needs a smack over the head with the nerf bat, it is them.

Naw, leave StamDK be. I'm sick of this game nerfing DKs and pigeon-holing them into a tank only role. Not gonna shelve another character for vet trials.

They're already nerfed down to oblivion, even for bruiser builds people play nightblades, and if they want something like old Dk there is always stamden.

beetleklee · February 2018

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

beetleklee wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

I've got no problem with Nightblades being top dog in PVE. They have probably the hardest rotation to master in the game with managing Relentless Focus procs, and achieving perfect weaving in order to do so.

If you miss a weave on most classes, you are only losing out on a dab of damage, whereas on a Nightblade, you are breaking your entire skill order, and missing out on some sustain from siphoning (lol)

Stam DK has zero sustain issues, one of the easiest rotations in the game, and pulls massive numbers in PVE. If anything needs a smack over the head with the nerf bat, it is them.

Naw, leave StamDK be. I'm sick of this game nerfing DKs and pigeon-holing them into a tank only role. Not gonna shelve another character for vet trials.

They're already nerfed down to oblivion, even for bruiser builds people play nightblades, and if they want something like old Dk there is always stamden.

For PvP, yes, but I was referring more to PvE.

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

@Knowledge A bit of advice. Asking to nerf Nightblades, is like putting a massive target on your back. Why? Because, the vast majority of the player base mains a Nightblade. It also happens to be the combat team’s favorite class. The bias is insane when it comes to Nightblades. So when you ask for something to nerfed that the majority of players use, and that the devs have a huge amount of favoritism for? You’re essentially inviting negativity and hate to your doorstep.

I’ll put it to you like this. The bias is so bad for Nightblades that It doesn’t matter if the class was capable of 1-shotting trial bosses, and insta-gibbing players with a single light attack. The player base would respond to any nerfs toward it just as they are now. Like a swarm of angry wasps, and you went and kicked their nest like a soccer ball.

Oh, and if you’re curious why so many players main Nightblades? It’s because the class is easy mode. It’s the assassin; or rogue class. And forever the reason, gamers go absolutely batshit crazy whenever they have the chance to play anything remotely ninja-esque. Case and point? Skyrim assassin players, Overwatch Genji mains, Mortal Kombat ninja mains, etc. So for future reference, try to avoid asking that anything remotely stealthy in a game get nerfed. Unless of course you want to get flamed by a bunch of angry gamers.

Easy mode huh? That is rich. Don't you main a pet mag sorc?

@Sevn Indeed I do. I always have, and always will. Was doing it far before all of streamers made that particular build variation popular, and when Necropotence was stuck at VR120 (until the 1T “upgrade to CP160). Yup. I sure do main a PetSorc. Can’t tell you how much bs I’ve gotten from using 1 in the past too, because wearing Martial Knowledge and DW’ing swords was the meta. And here I was wearing under-leveled gear, and using a build that had people on the forums asking that it’s entire skill line be removed; or reworked.

It’s funny how so many people choose to forget the very dark, lonely, and rather screwed-up past that PetSorcs had. If it wasn’t for @Thelon continuing to shine a light for us PetSorcs, and showing the player base that you could do some incredible things with that particular build variation? I have a feeling that to this day PetSorcs would be considered a laughing stock, and receive a ton of negativity from everyone. “Hey ZOS, can you remove the Daedric Summoning skill line? Pets suck, and are absolutely useless!” Damn shame that months later, I still remember the myriad of threads with those topics.

Edit: And I STILL do VMA faster and easier on my Nightblades than my MagSorc, and farm AP faster on my Nightblades than any of my other classes.

Yes @Ch4mpTW, I'm quite aware of how long you've mained a pet sorc, along with how you were doing it long before it became popular, been lurking in these forums for more than two years and you've mentioned it whenever it's brought up lol.

You strike me as an exhibitionist, show us as I'm genuinely curious to see the difference. You once uploaded a fight between you and some WB, using a pet sorc of course after someone issued a general challenge to everyone, though the details of said challenge escape me. Could you repeat this using a Nb and upload the two vids? Visual confirmation goes much further than written words of such feats, imho.

I'd issue a general challenge to everyone, but so far you're the only one calling Nbs easy mode. Just seeking clarity, nothing more, nothing less.

@Sevn Sure, I could do that for you. Send me the details of your challenge to my inbox as to which WB you want me to tackle, as it will clean-up this thread from our back-n’-forth a bit. I’ll do a comparison between my Nightblades and my MagSorc for you.

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

For those of you that do not think Nightblade is over performing you need to look across the internet to see the 57 - 60k DPS parses across the internet. The sorc just took a huge hit with off balance changes in addition it relies on pets which can cause issues in trials.

In PVP it is extremely strong and has far too much utility and damage to not be considered unbalanced. Anyone saying the contrary is just fearing the nerf.

Everyone that used heavy attacks took a hit with the off-balance changes. Also, I've hit 60k on my stamplar and I'm not really a great player or anything, though admittedly this is in CWC. But I'm sure really good stamplars are still hitting 60k+, as well as other stam DPS specs.

So what's your goal here? Nerf Nightblades so some other class is top dog and you ask for them to be nerfed and it just perpetuates until all the classes are complete ***?

IMO Nghtblades should be top DPS considering they have the most complex rotation.

To be honest, the rotation is not that complicated, with or without boss mechanics. Took me a youtube video and 2 days of pledges to get the rotation down....(and that was with 0 experience with magblade in PvE)

Saying that a class should´ve good DPS because a rotation on a specific build (which is different between builds) isn´t a valid reason. If that was the case stamina DK should´ve the lowest DPS in the game due to how brain-dead easy their rotation is.

Stamina nightblade does roughly the same DPS as all other stamina setups. So stamblade VS other Stam-setups, nightblade is ok. But magblade in comparison to other magicka classes is overperforming (magsorcs is a fair competitor to magblade though). Magplar and magDK can never compete with a magblade. Do I even have to bring up magwarden?

Mainly I think it´s because magDK, magplar and magden is underperformning in PvE in terms of DPS, and are in need of huge buffs.

If three classes are performing on par and one is over performing you don't buff the three classes you nerf the one.

That's bad logic. Period. You know damn well magplar/magdk have been getting crippled with bugs and nerfs. Those 2 classes need to be brought back up.

Agreed 100%. I’m STILL waiting for both of those classes skills to not be so damn expensive. I’m also waiting for some form of mobility. And on DK’s, mobility and an execute. At least Templars have an execute. Unless if the DK in question is stamina, you’re just SOL when it comes to having an execute. Sure, going vampire could assist somewhat in regards to mobility. But even then, look at the class as a whole compared to Nightblades. Lol.

Nightblades have: The best passives (without a doubt), access for cloak (makes engaging and disengagement a breeze, and thus is a HUGE benefit within PvP and TG and DB content), access to pets, access to an execute, access to hyper mobility, access to a spammable that heals, access to the best hard-CC in the game (Fear will probably be forever the best CC in ESO), access to a teleport, access to the best buffs, access to the best de-buffs, access to the best ultimates in the game (Incap is stupidly OP for what it does, and how you can combo with it), etc.

I don’t know what a lot of these dudes are talking about when they claim how Nightblades need a buff. Far from it, to be honest. It seems to me like a lot of folks need to learn their class more, and spend more time understanding the ins and outs of a Nightblades pros compared to its cons.

Oh, and 1 more thing... Every time that we’ve essentially had a terribly bad meta to experience... Who’s fault was it again? Oh right, Nightblades. Who’s fault was it that proc sets no longer crit? Nightblades. And please don’t say it wasn’t, because the forums and Reddit both were enraged by “ProcBlades” melting their characters with: Viper, Selene, etc. So yes. They were behind the ProcMeta. Who started the bombing meta? Oh right. Nightblades again. Running in with VD, and blowing apart entire groups. Even before the Destruction Staff ultimate was added, BombBlades were tearing people’s ass up in Cyrodiil for zerging. And that has the forum in a tizzy too. Who is at fault for the defile meta currently? Once again, Nightblades. It goes on and on with this class.

I dunno, I've always fsvored my stam temlar for group/solo content. My nightblade is more or less just a backup dps for me. As for bombblades, the game needs them. Zos keeps nerfing dk distractions, gotta have something to mess with zergs.

And as long as there are bomblades blowing up groups I'll have no shortage of ease leveling my alts ava skills with a resto staff.

IZZEFlameLash · February 2018

While I do not believe it needs nerf yet but to say that NBs are in bad spot is just laughable. For magicka spec, it is probably the overall best magicka spec in the game at the moment both pve and pvp. For stam, it is the best spec in pvp and high dps in pve. Yeah, they are in such a bad place right now with their top end spot. They are definitely not. Trust me, you standing there thinking you can face tank anything with your bowblade with willy nilly gears is not the reflection of the class. You will die the same even if you switched to another class you deem OP under a minute. NB is very strong. Other classes need to be brought up to its level.

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

IZZESparkling wrote: »

While I do not believe it needs nerf yet but to say that NBs are in bad spot is just laughable. For magicka spec, it is probably the overall best magicka spec in the game at the moment both pve and pvp. For stam, it is the best spec in pvp and high dps in pve. Yeah, they are in such a bad place right now with their top end spot. They are definitely not. Trust me, you standing there thinking you can face tank anything with your bowblade with willy nilly gears is not the reflection of the class. You will die the same even if you switched to another class you deem OP under a minute. NB is very strong. Other classes need to be brought up to its level.

All classes except for magdk are in a good spot for trials right now. Although magplar is still a bit weak it can carry its weight for damn near everything. This is why I'm against any nerfs atm. For once, everything is viable.

CompM4s · February 2018

Nightblades are annoying in pvp because of their ability to cloak so easily. Their burst is pretty strong as well. In my opinion its exactly what a assassin type character is suppose to be able to do. Detect pots and other revealing skills are what is created to counter them.

IZZEFlameLash · February 2018

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

IZZESparkling wrote: »

While I do not believe it needs nerf yet but to say that NBs are in bad spot is just laughable. For magicka spec, it is probably the overall best magicka spec in the game at the moment both pve and pvp. For stam, it is the best spec in pvp and high dps in pve. Yeah, they are in such a bad place right now with their top end spot. They are definitely not. Trust me, you standing there thinking you can face tank anything with your bowblade with willy nilly gears is not the reflection of the class. You will die the same even if you switched to another class you deem OP under a minute. NB is very strong. Other classes need to be brought up to its level.

All classes except for magdk are in a good spot for trials right now. Although magplar is still a bit weak it can carry its weight for damn near everything. This is why I'm against any nerfs atm. For once, everything is viable.

MDK tho =< No one wants them except for 1 slot in pve and pvp raids.

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

IZZESparkling wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

IZZESparkling wrote: »

While I do not believe it needs nerf yet but to say that NBs are in bad spot is just laughable. For magicka spec, it is probably the overall best magicka spec in the game at the moment both pve and pvp. For stam, it is the best spec in pvp and high dps in pve. Yeah, they are in such a bad place right now with their top end spot. They are definitely not. Trust me, you standing there thinking you can face tank anything with your bowblade with willy nilly gears is not the reflection of the class. You will die the same even if you switched to another class you deem OP under a minute. NB is very strong. Other classes need to be brought up to its level.

All classes except for magdk are in a good spot for trials right now. Although magplar is still a bit weak it can carry its weight for damn near everything. This is why I'm against any nerfs atm. For once, everything is viable.

MDK tho =< No one wants them except for 1 slot in pve and pvp raids.

Even then most everything mdk does is burden on the tanks now. Esp with db dlc tanks gunna be using fiery breath AND chains, harness, blood alter, lightning wall. Lol...

Morgul667 · February 2018

Seriously guys. NB is in a good spot and denying this is not really helping. It is that time of the year where nightblades are fotm.

Im fine with it but NB is very good both PVE and PVP wise. Id be happy if other classes were slightly buffed to reach same level as NB

Stamsorc could surely use some buff (pvp wise)

Undefwun · February 2018

Morgul667 wrote: »

Seriously guys. NB is in a good spot and denying this is not really helping. It is that time of the year where nightblades are fotm.

Almost all ppl in this thread have said NB's are in a good spot. No one is denying it. All that is being said, this guy needs to stop talking out of his *** and leave the class alone (except the rest of the bug fixes like all classes).

NBs are in general squishier, why am I expected to face tank classes built for that?

Cloak has been nerfed a few times (used to remove negative effects for example) and it breaks if you sneeze in our direction. Lot of NBs dropped it and use mist instead. Yes I can cross a fair distance cloaked but for combat it is not an I WIN button that ppl make it out to be.

I find DK talons and chains annoying. Should I come crying every time?
And those pesky Templar heals n purges. So rude, how dare you out heal damage

You get the point.

Lestorn · February 2018

The only thing I want nerfed is the damn build that lets someone with a two hander, and SOME templars one shot me with their charge attacks. Literally no defense at all. Dude comes up on me using an invisbility potion, and then once in range, BAM, I see a glowy spear, or a hammer, just before my health goes from full to zero, before I have time to press a single key.

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

Undefwun wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Seriously guys. NB is in a good spot and denying this is not really helping. It is that time of the year where nightblades are fotm.

Almost all ppl in this thread have said NB's are in a good spot. No one is denying it. All that is being said, this guy needs to stop talking out of his *** and leave the class alone (except the rest of the bug fixes like all classes).

NBs are in general squishier, why am I expected to face tank classes built for that?

Cloak has been nerfed a few times (used to remove negative effects for example) and it breaks if you sneeze in our direction. Lot of NBs dropped it and use mist instead. Yes I can cross a fair distance cloaked but for combat it is not an I WIN button that ppl make it out to be.

I find DK talons and chains annoying. Should I come crying every time?
And those pesky Templar heals n purges. So rude, how dare you out heal damage

You get the point.

Nb heals aren't too shabby either. The other morph of soul tether, vigor, mutagen on vma resto, springs, swallow soul, etc. Not a trials healer but they have a few perks. I can also use fear to keep bombers out my ap cattle, err., group

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

Lestorn wrote: »

The only thing I want nerfed is the damn build that lets someone with a two hander, and SOME templars one shot me with their charge attacks. Literally no defense at all. Dude comes up on me using an invisbility potion, and then once in range, BAM, I see a glowy spear, or a hammer, just before my health goes from full to zero, before I have time to press a single key.

Don't straggle in the back of your group, that's how you fix that.

Smmokkee · February 2018

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Thunderknuckles wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

F_16C_VIPER wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Nbs need their deserved nerfs.

Cloak is just too much.

Sounds like a L2P issue; there's a multitude of different ways to counter cloak and it gets broken extremely easily.

Get lost with your L2P bs, cloak gives free crit heals, Its better than Dk's igneous shield, Its abused to absorb tons of damage and then crit heal while all the dots and debuffs you have are gone.

What the frick are you talking about? Neither morph of Shadow Cloak does anything like that.

Are you telling me you never saw a stamblade vigor-rolling into cloak to reset the entire fight?
or just walk away unharmed?

Umm yeah because any other scenaro ends with a dead nb.. lol.

Cloak is op now.. that is rich.

and what do other classes do without cloak?

Yeah, you guessed it, they just die.

I don't buy the ''nb is easiest class to kill'' bullcrap.

*** players are easy to kill. Nb allows players to be *** yet still get kills.

L2p

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

Smmokkee wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Thunderknuckles wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

F_16C_VIPER wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Nbs need their deserved nerfs.

Cloak is just too much.

Sounds like a L2P issue; there's a multitude of different ways to counter cloak and it gets broken extremely easily.

Get lost with your L2P bs, cloak gives free crit heals, Its better than Dk's igneous shield, Its abused to absorb tons of damage and then crit heal while all the dots and debuffs you have are gone.

What the frick are you talking about? Neither morph of Shadow Cloak does anything like that.

Are you telling me you never saw a stamblade vigor-rolling into cloak to reset the entire fight?
or just walk away unharmed?

Umm yeah because any other scenaro ends with a dead nb.. lol.

Cloak is op now.. that is rich.

and what do other classes do without cloak?

Yeah, you guessed it, they just die.

I don't buy the ''nb is easiest class to kill'' bullcrap.

*** players are easy to kill. Nb allows players to be *** yet still get kills.

Yeah your right every class should have cloak.

Yo dawg, you herd bout alchemy?

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

Undefwun wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Seriously guys. NB is in a good spot and denying this is not really helping. It is that time of the year where nightblades are fotm.

Almost all ppl in this thread have said NB's are in a good spot. No one is denying it. All that is being said, this guy needs to stop talking out of his *** and leave the class alone (except the rest of the bug fixes like all classes).

NBs are in general squishier, why am I expected to face tank classes built for that?

Cloak has been nerfed a few times (used to remove negative effects for example) and it breaks if you sneeze in our direction. Lot of NBs dropped it and use mist instead. Yes I can cross a fair distance cloaked but for combat it is not an I WIN button that ppl make it out to be.

I find DK talons and chains annoying. Should I come crying every time?
And those pesky Templar heals n purges. So rude, how dare you out heal damage

You get the point.

Ikr!? Defensive skills annoying because they ruin your evil plan? Pity.

Lestorn · February 2018

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Lestorn wrote: »

The only thing I want nerfed is the damn build that lets someone with a two hander, and SOME templars one shot me with their charge attacks. Literally no defense at all. Dude comes up on me using an invisbility potion, and then once in range, BAM, I see a glowy spear, or a hammer, just before my health goes from full to zero, before I have time to press a single key.

Don't straggle in the back of your group, that's how you fix that.

That doesn't change the fact that the one hit build is possible, and annoying as *** to deal with.

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

Lestorn wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Lestorn wrote: »

The only thing I want nerfed is the damn build that lets someone with a two hander, and SOME templars one shot me with their charge attacks. Literally no defense at all. Dude comes up on me using an invisbility potion, and then once in range, BAM, I see a glowy spear, or a hammer, just before my health goes from full to zero, before I have time to press a single key.

Don't straggle in the back of your group, that's how you fix that.

That doesn't change the fact that the one hit build is possible, and annoying as *** to deal with.

If it annoys you make a tankier build. Or you know, get over the fact you can't have everything.