The only thing missing for class balance is a Nightblade nerf.
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Sevn✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Knowledge A bit of advice. Asking to nerf Nightblades, is like putting a massive target on your back. Why? Because, the vast majority of the player base mains a Nightblade. It also happens to be the combat team’s favorite class. The bias is insane when it comes to Nightblades. So when you ask for something to nerfed that the majority of players use, and that the devs have a huge amount of favoritism for? You’re essentially inviting negativity and hate to your doorstep.
I’ll put it to you like this. The bias is so bad for Nightblades that It doesn’t matter if the class was capable of 1-shotting trial bosses, and insta-gibbing players with a single light attack. The player base would respond to any nerfs toward it just as they are now. Like a swarm of angry wasps, and you went and kicked their nest like a soccer ball.
Oh, and if you’re curious why so many players main Nightblades? It’s because the class is easy mode. It’s the assassin; or rogue class. And forever the reason, gamers go absolutely batshit crazy whenever they have the chance to play anything remotely ninja-esque. Case and point? Skyrim assassin players, Overwatch Genji mains, Mortal Kombat ninja mains, etc. So for future reference, try to avoid asking that anything remotely stealthy in a game get nerfed. Unless of course you want to get flamed by a bunch of angry gamers.
Easy mode huh? That is rich. Don't you main a pet mag sorc?There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man, true nobility is being superior to your former self
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✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Nbs need their deserved nerfs.
Cloak is just too much.
Sounds like a L2P issue; there's a multitude of different ways to counter cloak and it gets broken extremely easily.0 -
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✭✭✭Stop these pointless nerf threads. NB is legit in a very good place and most importantly FUN.
Undo many of the nerfs and buff the other classes. Everyone wins.
If NB is nerfed they’ll undoubtedly overdue it and then lead, once again, to the endless nerf cycle.
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Nothing in NB screams OP OP OP. Since it all has some sort of counter. It has always been a generally good and fun class since it has unique abilities with useful functions. (When they function) Which is why I think it is the best balanced/created class in ESO.
I see no reason to destroy the entire class as some people are asking for.
My only complaint would be (not just NB, but with purge spammers in groups) the dot suppression. So having it 50%, so that cloak becomes pressure relief instead of almost dot immortality if away. And the return of a small purge to dark cloak, so it'd be the higher defensive option.
DOTs OW are nearly useless since they are so easily outhealed/negated, I personally run a burst setup because of that. So small steps to making them useful without making them OP. (in a 1v1 the NB would be revealed nearly instantly, so its not really a change there.)MagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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✭✭✭Not to long ago people were laughing at nbs.. now they are one of the strongest classes and barely *** has changed. Weird how that works..
If you think nb is the strongest class in pvp I know you suck. Lol.
Not sure the magical not too long ago they were laughing at NB, unless you mean the state of cloak/shade functionality ebbing and flowing with things like riposte breaking it due to spaghetti code. NB been solid since 1t. I cannot specifically remember between, but I know at launch they were pretty awful.MagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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✭✭✭✭✭@Knowledge A bit of advice. Asking to nerf Nightblades, is like putting a massive target on your back. Why? Because, the vast majority of the player base mains a Nightblade. It also happens to be the combat team’s favorite class. The bias is insane when it comes to Nightblades. So when you ask for something to nerfed that the majority of players use, and that the devs have a huge amount of favoritism for? You’re essentially inviting negativity and hate to your doorstep.
I’ll put it to you like this. The bias is so bad for Nightblades that It doesn’t matter if the class was capable of 1-shotting trial bosses, and insta-gibbing players with a single light attack. The player base would respond to any nerfs toward it just as they are now. Like a swarm of angry wasps, and you went and kicked their nest like a soccer ball.
Oh, and if you’re curious why so many players main Nightblades? It’s because the class is easy mode. It’s the assassin; or rogue class. And forever the reason, gamers go absolutely batshit crazy whenever they have the chance to play anything remotely ninja-esque. Case and point? Skyrim assassin players, Overwatch Genji mains, Mortal Kombat ninja mains, etc. So for future reference, try to avoid asking that anything remotely stealthy in a game get nerfed. Unless of course you want to get flamed by a bunch of angry gamers.
Easy mode huh? That is rich. Don't you main a pet mag sorc?
@Sevn Indeed I do. I always have, and always will. Was doing it far before all of streamers made that particular build variation popular, and when Necropotence was stuck at VR120 (until the 1T “upgrade to CP160). Yup. I sure do main a PetSorc. Can’t tell you how much bs I’ve gotten from using 1 in the past too, because wearing Martial Knowledge and DW’ing swords was the meta. And here I was wearing under-leveled gear, and using a build that had people on the forums asking that it’s entire skill line be removed; or reworked.
It’s funny how so many people choose to forget the very dark, lonely, and rather screwed-up past that PetSorcs had. If it wasn’t for @Thelon continuing to shine a light for us PetSorcs, and showing the player base that you could do some incredible things with that particular build variation? I have a feeling that to this day PetSorcs would be considered a laughing stock, and receive a ton of negativity from everyone. “Hey ZOS, can you remove the Daedric Summoning skill line? Pets suck, and are absolutely useless!” Damn shame that months later, I still remember the myriad of threads with those topics.
Edit: And I STILL do VMA faster and easier on my Nightblades than my MagSorc, and farm AP faster on my Nightblades than any of my other classes.Edited by Ch4mpTW on February 22, 2018 2:29AM3 -
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✭✭Great player handle every class and role perfect , they spent a lot of time on analysis and practice .
Google the NB nerf list , I bet NB was nerfed the most , because they are the best ganker in this game . They have the best PVP passive .
Beside PVP / PVE DPS , you should take a look deeply at other roles of this class , you will surprised that how weak they are .
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Sevn✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Knowledge A bit of advice. Asking to nerf Nightblades, is like putting a massive target on your back. Why? Because, the vast majority of the player base mains a Nightblade. It also happens to be the combat team’s favorite class. The bias is insane when it comes to Nightblades. So when you ask for something to nerfed that the majority of players use, and that the devs have a huge amount of favoritism for? You’re essentially inviting negativity and hate to your doorstep.
I’ll put it to you like this. The bias is so bad for Nightblades that It doesn’t matter if the class was capable of 1-shotting trial bosses, and insta-gibbing players with a single light attack. The player base would respond to any nerfs toward it just as they are now. Like a swarm of angry wasps, and you went and kicked their nest like a soccer ball.
Oh, and if you’re curious why so many players main Nightblades? It’s because the class is easy mode. It’s the assassin; or rogue class. And forever the reason, gamers go absolutely batshit crazy whenever they have the chance to play anything remotely ninja-esque. Case and point? Skyrim assassin players, Overwatch Genji mains, Mortal Kombat ninja mains, etc. So for future reference, try to avoid asking that anything remotely stealthy in a game get nerfed. Unless of course you want to get flamed by a bunch of angry gamers.
Easy mode huh? That is rich. Don't you main a pet mag sorc?
@Sevn Indeed I do. I always have, and always will. Was doing it far before all of streamers made that particular build variation popular, and when Necropotence was stuck at VR120 (until the 1T “upgrade to CP160). Yup. I sure do main a PetSorc. Can’t tell you how much bs I’ve gotten from using 1 in the past too, because wearing Martial Knowledge and DW’ing swords was the meta. And here I was wearing under-leveled gear, and using a build that had people on the forums asking that it’s entire skill line be removed; or reworked.
It’s funny how so many people choose to forget the very dark, lonely, and rather screwed-up past that PetSorcs had. If it wasn’t for @Thelon continuing to shine a light for us PetSorcs, and showing the player base that you could do some incredible things with that particular build variation? I have a feeling that to this day PetSorcs would be considered a laughing stock, and receive a ton of negativity from everyone. “Hey ZOS, can you remove the Daedric Summoning skill line? Pets suck, and are absolutely useless!” Damn shame that months later, I still remember the myriad of threads with those topics.
Edit: And I STILL do VMA faster and easier on my Nightblades than my MagSorc, and farm AP faster on my Nightblades than any of my other classes.
Yes @Ch4mpTW, I'm quite aware of how long you've mained a pet sorc, along with how you were doing it long before it became popular, been lurking in these forums for more than two years and you've mentioned it whenever it's brought up lol.
You strike me as an exhibitionist, show us as I'm genuinely curious to see the difference. You once uploaded a fight between you and some WB, using a pet sorc of course after someone issued a general challenge to everyone, though the details of said challenge escape me. Could you repeat this using a Nb and upload the two vids? Visual confirmation goes much further than written words of such feats, imho.
I'd issue a general challenge to everyone, but so far you're the only one calling Nbs easy mode. Just seeking clarity, nothing more, nothing less.Edited by Sevn on February 22, 2018 3:09AMThere is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man, true nobility is being superior to your former self
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Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭F_16C_VIPER wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Nbs need their deserved nerfs.
Cloak is just too much.
Sounds like a L2P issue; there's a multitude of different ways to counter cloak and it gets broken extremely easily.
Get lost with your L2P bs, cloak gives free crit heals, Its better than Dk's igneous shield, Its abused to absorb tons of damage and then crit heal while all the dots and debuffs you have are gone.Edited by Ragnarock41 on February 22, 2018 3:25AM4 -
Thunderknuckles✭✭✭✭WhitePawPrints wrote: »Another player who got killed by a nightblade and is demanding a nerf.
Nightblades have one thing going for them and that is cloak. Keep them out of cloak and that’s a dead nightblade. My nightblades stopped running cloak because they’re too dependent on it. Wardens are far stronger than a nightblade in PvP.
In PVE Sorcs still rain supreme, four years running. Night-blades do decent in trials now because of the buffs they receive from the group, but they suffer in dungeons and other small scale end game content.
In PvP Templars are far more brutal than NB's. Awesome healing, defense, and very high damage. Almost absurd. Yeah, the OP likely got smoked by a NB in PvP and now wants the class destroyed.2 -
Splattercat_83✭✭✭✭When you take into account the Sorc, DK, Templar, and Warden they all feel roughly on par with each other or just needing a few tweaks to be evened out. On the other hand the Magblade and even Stamblade seem to be on an entirely different level. If they were brought down significantly while the other classes continued to receive minor tuning the game would be in a much better place balance wise.
Magblade has been the reheaded *** of magic based dps since the game came out (almost). Give them their time to shine.3 -
Thunderknuckles✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »F_16C_VIPER wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Nbs need their deserved nerfs.
Cloak is just too much.
Sounds like a L2P issue; there's a multitude of different ways to counter cloak and it gets broken extremely easily.
Get lost with your L2P bs, cloak gives free crit heals, Its better than Dk's igneous shield, Its abused to absorb tons of damage and then crit heal while all the dots and debuffs you have are gone.
What the frick are you talking about? Neither morph of Shadow Cloak does anything like that.4 -
FrostFallFox✭✭✭✭Very surprised some people said Nightblade was weak in PvE, I had to check if the posts were from months ago.\(^-,,-^)/4 -
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✭My 20k subterranean assault, 9k burst heals, 15k birds, major expedition stamden would disagree.3 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Thunderknuckles wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »F_16C_VIPER wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Nbs need their deserved nerfs.
Cloak is just too much.
Sounds like a L2P issue; there's a multitude of different ways to counter cloak and it gets broken extremely easily.
Get lost with your L2P bs, cloak gives free crit heals, Its better than Dk's igneous shield, Its abused to absorb tons of damage and then crit heal while all the dots and debuffs you have are gone.
What the frick are you talking about? Neither morph of Shadow Cloak does anything like that.
Are you telling me you never saw a stamblade vigor-rolling into cloak to reset the entire fight?
or just walk away unharmed?Edited by Ragnarock41 on February 22, 2018 3:59AM3 -
Thunderknuckles✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Thunderknuckles wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »F_16C_VIPER wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Nbs need their deserved nerfs.
Cloak is just too much.
Sounds like a L2P issue; there's a multitude of different ways to counter cloak and it gets broken extremely easily.
Get lost with your L2P bs, cloak gives free crit heals, Its better than Dk's igneous shield, Its abused to absorb tons of damage and then crit heal while all the dots and debuffs you have are gone.
What the frick are you talking about? Neither morph of Shadow Cloak does anything like that.
Are you telling me you never saw a stamblade vigor-rolling into cloak to reset the entire fight?
or just walk away unharmed?
I had a feeling that that's what you meant. Sure, I do it, too. Lemme tell you, though, it certainly doesn't make a NB OP. Cloak does not purge DOT's. Purge does. So they'd have to be using that, too. And that takes up a skill slot that for many NB players is better used by something else.0 -
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✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Thunderknuckles wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »F_16C_VIPER wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Nbs need their deserved nerfs.
Cloak is just too much.
Sounds like a L2P issue; there's a multitude of different ways to counter cloak and it gets broken extremely easily.
Get lost with your L2P bs, cloak gives free crit heals, Its better than Dk's igneous shield, Its abused to absorb tons of damage and then crit heal while all the dots and debuffs you have are gone.
What the frick are you talking about? Neither morph of Shadow Cloak does anything like that.
Are you telling me you never saw a stamblade vigor-rolling into cloak to reset the entire fight?
or just walk away unharmed?
Lol you're complaining about a stamblade cloaking...which they can do 2-3 times before they're out of magicka...? If you don't know how to properly counter cloak, then yes, you need to l2p.4 -
Thunderknuckles✭✭✭✭F_16C_VIPER wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Thunderknuckles wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »F_16C_VIPER wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Nbs need their deserved nerfs.
Cloak is just too much.
Sounds like a L2P issue; there's a multitude of different ways to counter cloak and it gets broken extremely easily.
Get lost with your L2P bs, cloak gives free crit heals, Its better than Dk's igneous shield, Its abused to absorb tons of damage and then crit heal while all the dots and debuffs you have are gone.
What the frick are you talking about? Neither morph of Shadow Cloak does anything like that.
Are you telling me you never saw a stamblade vigor-rolling into cloak to reset the entire fight?
or just walk away unharmed?
Lol you're complaining about a stamblade cloaking...which they can do 2-3 times before they're out of magicka...? If you don't know how to properly counter cloak, then yes, you need to l2p.
No joke, man. 2 to 3 times tops. At least as a stamblade. Yeah, no, Knowledge (the OP) really, seriously, has no knowledge as to how this class works. I see Sorcs, Templars, and DK's crushing other players left and right routinely.
Edited to add that this whole thread is one giant ignorant waste of time.Edited by Thunderknuckles on February 22, 2018 5:07AM3 -
chaserstorm16909✭✭✭✭✭This is a troll post right? Nightblades are by far the easiest class to kill.6 -
Smmokkee✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Thunderknuckles wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »F_16C_VIPER wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Nbs need their deserved nerfs.
Cloak is just too much.
Sounds like a L2P issue; there's a multitude of different ways to counter cloak and it gets broken extremely easily.
Get lost with your L2P bs, cloak gives free crit heals, Its better than Dk's igneous shield, Its abused to absorb tons of damage and then crit heal while all the dots and debuffs you have are gone.
What the frick are you talking about? Neither morph of Shadow Cloak does anything like that.
Are you telling me you never saw a stamblade vigor-rolling into cloak to reset the entire fight?
or just walk away unharmed?
Umm yeah because any other scenaro ends with a dead nb.. lol.
Cloak is op now.. that is rich.Edited by Smmokkee on February 22, 2018 5:37AM6 -
WakeYourGhost✭✭✭✭✭Best way to "Nerf" [Class] is just buff other classes by tiny amounts until they all fall in to a somewhat functioning balance.
I don't disagree with balance tweaks and adjustments to [Class], but too often these "tweaks" are far forceful, and it is all too rare to see adjustments to increase the performance of classes to help adjust their balance.
It makes no sense for people to ask for nerfs when they can just ask for measured and balanced adjustments to all classes, powers, and sets. Keep unique flavor, but make them reasonably well balanced with one another too. It's a delicate and difficult balance, but perhaps they can do it with [Class], and leave a strong majority satisfied?
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✭✭✭✭✭Where is my LOL button?
Back when we had a LOL button I had a guildie that complain how OP Templars, NBs and DKs where. Yes, he played a Sorc.
He ended up leveling up a NB and oddly enough he started complaining how OP Templars, DKs and yes, Sorc where.
This thread is no different. It is perspective as well as understanding how to play a class and defeat the other classes.
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✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Thunderknuckles wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »F_16C_VIPER wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Nbs need their deserved nerfs.
Cloak is just too much.
Sounds like a L2P issue; there's a multitude of different ways to counter cloak and it gets broken extremely easily.
Get lost with your L2P bs, cloak gives free crit heals, Its better than Dk's igneous shield, Its abused to absorb tons of damage and then crit heal while all the dots and debuffs you have are gone.
What the frick are you talking about? Neither morph of Shadow Cloak does anything like that.
Are you telling me you never saw a stamblade vigor-rolling into cloak to reset the entire fight?
or just walk away unharmed?
Umm yeah because any other scenaro ends with a dead nb.. lol.
Cloak is op now.. that is rich.
and what do other classes do without cloak?
Yeah, you guessed it, they just die.
I don't buy the ''nb is easiest class to kill'' bullcrap.
*** players are easy to kill. Nb allows players to be *** yet still get kills.Edited by Ragnarock41 on February 22, 2018 10:12AM4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Oh FFS there should be balance subforum with access to only experienced players which lvled at least 4 different classes.Edited by Mayrael on February 22, 2018 6:30AMI'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.1 -
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✭✭Where did the nightblade hurt you? I will legit personally teach you how to fight them if it gets you to shut up. They have been a poop tier class for so long and they that they actually stand a chance people get upset. Stuff itFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭For those of you that do not think Nightblade is over performing you need to look across the internet to see the 57 - 60k DPS parses across the internet. The sorc just took a huge hit with off balance changes in addition it relies on pets which can cause issues in trials.
In PVP it is extremely strong and has far too much utility and damage to not be considered unbalanced. Anyone saying the contrary is just fearing the nerf.
Everyone that used heavy attacks took a hit with the off-balance changes. Also, I've hit 60k on my stamplar and I'm not really a great player or anything, though admittedly this is in CWC. But I'm sure really good stamplars are still hitting 60k+, as well as other stam DPS specs.
So what's your goal here? Nerf Nightblades so some other class is top dog and you ask for them to be nerfed and it just perpetuates until all the classes are complete ***?
IMO Nghtblades should be top DPS considering they have the most complex rotation.
To be honest, the rotation is not that complicated, with or without boss mechanics. Took me a youtube video and 2 days of pledges to get the rotation down....(and that was with 0 experience with magblade in PvE)
Saying that a class should´ve good DPS because a rotation on a specific build (which is different between builds) isn´t a valid reason. If that was the case stamina DK should´ve the lowest DPS in the game due to how brain-dead easy their rotation is.
Stamina nightblade does roughly the same DPS as all other stamina setups. So stamblade VS other Stam-setups, nightblade is ok. But magblade in comparison to other magicka classes is overperforming (magsorcs is a fair competitor to magblade though). Magplar and magDK can never compete with a magblade. Do I even have to bring up magwarden?
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✭✭Meta healer , Templar
Meta Tank , DK and Warden .
Buff them DPS ?
I agree the buffs if NB tank and healer become popular in END GAME trials .
Youtube tells everything .1
