The only thing missing for class balance is a Nightblade nerf.
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✭For those of you that do not think Nightblade is over performing you need to look across the internet to see the 57 - 60k DPS parses across the internet. The sorc just took a huge hit with off balance changes in addition it relies on pets which can cause issues in trials.
In PVP it is extremely strong and has far too much utility and damage to not be considered unbalanced. Anyone saying the contrary is just fearing the nerf.
Everyone that used heavy attacks took a hit with the off-balance changes. Also, I've hit 60k on my stamplar and I'm not really a great player or anything, though admittedly this is in CWC. But I'm sure really good stamplars are still hitting 60k+, as well as other stam DPS specs.
So what's your goal here? Nerf Nightblades so some other class is top dog and you ask for them to be nerfed and it just perpetuates until all the classes are complete ***?
IMO Nghtblades should be top DPS considering they have the most complex rotation.
To be honest, the rotation is not that complicated, with or without boss mechanics. Took me a youtube video and 2 days of pledges to get the rotation down....(and that was with 0 experience with magblade in PvE)
Saying that a class should´ve good DPS because a rotation on a specific build (which is different between builds) isn´t a valid reason. If that was the case stamina DK should´ve the lowest DPS in the game due to how brain-dead easy their rotation is.
Stamina nightblade does roughly the same DPS as all other stamina setups. So stamblade VS other Stam-setups, nightblade is ok. But magblade in comparison to other magicka classes is overperforming (magsorcs is a fair competitor to magblade though). Magplar and magDK can never compete with a magblade. Do I even have to bring up magwarden?
Mainly I think it´s because magDK, magplar and magden is underperformning in PvE in terms of DPS, and are in need of huge buffs.
If three classes are performing on par and one is over performing you don't buff the three classes you nerf the one.1 -
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For solopvp: A bad nightblade is worse than the other classes - a good nightblade is better
One of the reasons topics like this one are so much fun.<Noricum>
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For solopvp: A bad nightblade is worse than the other classes - a good nightblade is better
One of the reasons topics like this one are so much fun.
When comparing classes we have to assume they are being compared with the highest possible skill level in mind.2 -
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✭✭✭Nerf sorcs because of shields and curse
Nerf Templars because of big heals
Nerf DK's because of huge fire damage
Nerf Warden's just because
Nerf stamNB because of to many burst/mobility
Nerf all stamina because of burst and mobility
Buff magNB in burst and mobility and put purge back on cloak
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"I am a nightblade. Blending the disciplines of the stealthy agent and subtle wizard, I move unseen and undetected, foil locks and traps, and teleport to safety when threatened, or strike like a viper from ambush. The College of Illusion hides me and fuddles or pacifies my opponents. The College of Mysticism detects my object, reflects and dispels enemy spells, and makes good my escape. The key to a nightblade's success is avoidance, by spell or by stealth; with these skills, all things are possible."3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭When you take into account the Sorc, DK, Templar, and Warden they all feel roughly on par with each other or just needing a few tweaks to be evened out.
Nice joke.
Magicka warden still parses 5k+ behind the other classes.
Stamina warden is decent since all stamina classes deal the similar damage (they all use the same weapon skills), but they are far from the best and they don't bring anything unique to the table (they don't get brought into leader board trials as a result).
Warden tank is worse than DK.
Warden healer is worse than templar.
Magicka warden sucks in PvP since cliff racer nerfs.
Stamina warden is still okay in PvP.
The class is invisible on trial leader boards (there are zero wardens in the top-100 on most trials).
Warden is the worst class in the game, by a country mile. It needs massive buffs across the board.
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✭When you take into account the Sorc, DK, Templar, and Warden they all feel roughly on par with each other or just needing a few tweaks to be evened out. On the other hand the Magblade and even Stamblade seem to be on an entirely different level. If they were brought down significantly while the other classes continued to receive minor tuning the game would be in a much better place balance wise.
God I hate these threads. People like you are what's wrong with class balance tbfh. magdk needs a generous overhaul, otherwise the classes are perfectly balanced. Nightblades are where they are at BECAUSE of good class balance. Because you have a good mixture of classes bringing what they have to the table.
Find a way to make magdk a viable option, and we are in a golden age of class balance.
And yet, people like op here who has never ran a trial and spends all die zerging gets ganked by a bomber and sees 1 dps parse with 0 understanding of pve dps and thinks it's his obligation to demand more *** nerfs for this game.Edited by Ep1kMalware on February 22, 2018 8:58AM4 -
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✭For those of you that do not think Nightblade is over performing you need to look across the internet to see the 57 - 60k DPS parses across the internet. The sorc just took a huge hit with off balance changes in addition it relies on pets which can cause issues in trials.
In PVP it is extremely strong and has far too much utility and damage to not be considered unbalanced. Anyone saying the contrary is just fearing the nerf.
Everyone that used heavy attacks took a hit with the off-balance changes. Also, I've hit 60k on my stamplar and I'm not really a great player or anything, though admittedly this is in CWC. But I'm sure really good stamplars are still hitting 60k+, as well as other stam DPS specs.
So what's your goal here? Nerf Nightblades so some other class is top dog and you ask for them to be nerfed and it just perpetuates until all the classes are complete ***?
IMO Nghtblades should be top DPS considering they have the most complex rotation.
To be honest, the rotation is not that complicated, with or without boss mechanics. Took me a youtube video and 2 days of pledges to get the rotation down....(and that was with 0 experience with magblade in PvE)
Saying that a class should´ve good DPS because a rotation on a specific build (which is different between builds) isn´t a valid reason. If that was the case stamina DK should´ve the lowest DPS in the game due to how brain-dead easy their rotation is.
Stamina nightblade does roughly the same DPS as all other stamina setups. So stamblade VS other Stam-setups, nightblade is ok. But magblade in comparison to other magicka classes is overperforming (magsorcs is a fair competitor to magblade though). Magplar and magDK can never compete with a magblade. Do I even have to bring up magwarden?
Mainly I think it´s because magDK, magplar and magden is underperformning in PvE in terms of DPS, and are in need of huge buffs.
If three classes are performing on par and one is over performing you don't buff the three classes you nerf the one.
That's bad logic. Period. You know damn well magplar/magdk have been getting crippled with bugs and nerfs. Those 2 classes need to be brought back up.5 -
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Buff the weaker counterparts, instead of nerfing the strong one.
Mag DK and Mag Templar need an complete overhaul if ZOS wants to keep rolling with Magicka = ranged setups, Stamina = melee setups.
Magplar and MagDK were simply not designed to be a ranged magicka setup. Magplar is easier fixable, but MagDK no clue tbh lolEdited by Alcast on February 22, 2018 9:12AMhttps://alcasthq.com - Alcasthq.com Builds & Guides
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✭✭✭✭✭@Knowledge A bit of advice. Asking to nerf Nightblades, is like putting a massive target on your back. Why? Because, the vast majority of the player base mains a Nightblade. It also happens to be the combat team’s favorite class. The bias is insane when it comes to Nightblades. So when you ask for something to nerfed that the majority of players use, and that the devs have a huge amount of favoritism for? You’re essentially inviting negativity and hate to your doorstep.
I’ll put it to you like this. The bias is so bad for Nightblades that It doesn’t matter if the class was capable of 1-shotting trial bosses, and insta-gibbing players with a single light attack. The player base would respond to any nerfs toward it just as they are now. Like a swarm of angry wasps, and you went and kicked their nest like a soccer ball.
Oh, and if you’re curious why so many players main Nightblades? It’s because the class is easy mode. It’s the assassin; or rogue class. And forever the reason, gamers go absolutely batshit crazy whenever they have the chance to play anything remotely ninja-esque. Case and point? Skyrim assassin players, Overwatch Genji mains, Mortal Kombat ninja mains, etc. So for future reference, try to avoid asking that anything remotely stealthy in a game get nerfed. Unless of course you want to get flamed by a bunch of angry gamers.
Easy mode huh? That is rich. Don't you main a pet mag sorc?
@Sevn Indeed I do. I always have, and always will. Was doing it far before all of streamers made that particular build variation popular, and when Necropotence was stuck at VR120 (until the 1T “upgrade to CP160). Yup. I sure do main a PetSorc. Can’t tell you how much bs I’ve gotten from using 1 in the past too, because wearing Martial Knowledge and DW’ing swords was the meta. And here I was wearing under-leveled gear, and using a build that had people on the forums asking that it’s entire skill line be removed; or reworked.
It’s funny how so many people choose to forget the very dark, lonely, and rather screwed-up past that PetSorcs had. If it wasn’t for @Thelon continuing to shine a light for us PetSorcs, and showing the player base that you could do some incredible things with that particular build variation? I have a feeling that to this day PetSorcs would be considered a laughing stock, and receive a ton of negativity from everyone. “Hey ZOS, can you remove the Daedric Summoning skill line? Pets suck, and are absolutely useless!” Damn shame that months later, I still remember the myriad of threads with those topics.
Edit: And I STILL do VMA faster and easier on my Nightblades than my MagSorc, and farm AP faster on my Nightblades than any of my other classes.
Yes @Ch4mpTW, I'm quite aware of how long you've mained a pet sorc, along with how you were doing it long before it became popular, been lurking in these forums for more than two years and you've mentioned it whenever it's brought up lol.
You strike me as an exhibitionist, show us as I'm genuinely curious to see the difference. You once uploaded a fight between you and some WB, using a pet sorc of course after someone issued a general challenge to everyone, though the details of said challenge escape me. Could you repeat this using a Nb and upload the two vids? Visual confirmation goes much further than written words of such feats, imho.
I'd issue a general challenge to everyone, but so far you're the only one calling Nbs easy mode. Just seeking clarity, nothing more, nothing less.
@Sevn Sure, I could do that for you. Send me the details of your challenge to my inbox as to which WB you want me to tackle, as it will clean-up this thread from our back-n’-forth a bit. I’ll do a comparison between my Nightblades and my MagSorc for you.Ep1kMalware wrote: »For those of you that do not think Nightblade is over performing you need to look across the internet to see the 57 - 60k DPS parses across the internet. The sorc just took a huge hit with off balance changes in addition it relies on pets which can cause issues in trials.
In PVP it is extremely strong and has far too much utility and damage to not be considered unbalanced. Anyone saying the contrary is just fearing the nerf.
Everyone that used heavy attacks took a hit with the off-balance changes. Also, I've hit 60k on my stamplar and I'm not really a great player or anything, though admittedly this is in CWC. But I'm sure really good stamplars are still hitting 60k+, as well as other stam DPS specs.
So what's your goal here? Nerf Nightblades so some other class is top dog and you ask for them to be nerfed and it just perpetuates until all the classes are complete ***?
IMO Nghtblades should be top DPS considering they have the most complex rotation.
To be honest, the rotation is not that complicated, with or without boss mechanics. Took me a youtube video and 2 days of pledges to get the rotation down....(and that was with 0 experience with magblade in PvE)
Saying that a class should´ve good DPS because a rotation on a specific build (which is different between builds) isn´t a valid reason. If that was the case stamina DK should´ve the lowest DPS in the game due to how brain-dead easy their rotation is.
Stamina nightblade does roughly the same DPS as all other stamina setups. So stamblade VS other Stam-setups, nightblade is ok. But magblade in comparison to other magicka classes is overperforming (magsorcs is a fair competitor to magblade though). Magplar and magDK can never compete with a magblade. Do I even have to bring up magwarden?
Mainly I think it´s because magDK, magplar and magden is underperformning in PvE in terms of DPS, and are in need of huge buffs.
If three classes are performing on par and one is over performing you don't buff the three classes you nerf the one.
That's bad logic. Period. You know damn well magplar/magdk have been getting crippled with bugs and nerfs. Those 2 classes need to be brought back up.
Agreed 100%. I’m STILL waiting for both of those classes skills to not be so damn expensive. I’m also waiting for some form of mobility. And on DK’s, mobility and an execute. At least Templars have an execute. Unless if the DK in question is stamina, you’re just SOL when it comes to having an execute. Sure, going vampire could assist somewhat in regards to mobility. But even then, look at the class as a whole compared to Nightblades. Lol.
Nightblades have: The best passives (without a doubt), access for cloak (makes engaging and disengagement a breeze, and thus is a HUGE benefit within PvP and TG and DB content), access to pets, access to an execute, access to hyper mobility, access to a spammable that heals, access to the best hard-CC in the game (Fear will probably be forever the best CC in ESO), access to a teleport, access to the best buffs, access to the best de-buffs, access to the best ultimates in the game (Incap is stupidly OP for what it does, and how you can combo with it), etc.
I don’t know what a lot of these dudes are talking about when they claim how Nightblades need a buff. Far from it, to be honest. It seems to me like a lot of folks need to learn their class more, and spend more time understanding the ins and outs of a Nightblades pros compared to its cons.
Oh, and 1 more thing... Every time that we’ve essentially had a terribly bad meta to experience... Who’s fault was it again? Oh right, Nightblades. Who’s fault was it that proc sets no longer crit? Nightblades. And please don’t say it wasn’t, because the forums and Reddit both were enraged by “ProcBlades” melting their characters with: Viper, Selene, etc. So yes. They were behind the ProcMeta. Who started the bombing meta? Oh right. Nightblades again. Running in with VD, and blowing apart entire groups. Even before the Destruction Staff ultimate was added, BombBlades were tearing people’s ass up in Cyrodiil for zerging. And that has the forum in a tizzy too. Who is at fault for the defile meta currently? Once again, Nightblades. It goes on and on with this class.Edited by Ch4mpTW on February 22, 2018 10:14AM5 -
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✭concerning Bombers,
it is possible to bomb with other classes too, it hasn´t to be a NB
Monday evening we got bombed by a DK, wearing VD (ofc), rushed in from stealth, with ctitical rush, proximity detonation up and yeah he killed 6 of the group, so yeah it is possible for other classes too
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✭✭✭✭✭concerning Bombers,
it is possible to bomb with other classes too, it hasn´t to be a NB
Monday evening we got bombed by a DK, wearing VD (ofc), rushed in from stealth, with ctitical rush, proximity detonation up and yeah he killed 6 of the group, so yeah it is possible for other classes too
Wait a minute. You got bombed by a 2H-using MagDK, bursting in on you all from stealth with Crit Rush...? And dude was using VD too...? Although highly questionable, that is something that I wouldn’t tell anybody. Telling a story of how you had 6 of your group picked-off by a Crit-Rushing MagDK in VD is something I’d keep a secret.
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✭✭✭✭concerning Bombers,
it is possible to bomb with other classes too, it hasn´t to be a NB
Monday evening we got bombed by a DK, wearing VD (ofc), rushed in from stealth, with ctitical rush, proximity detonation up and yeah he killed 6 of the group, so yeah it is possible for other classes too
You got bombed by a.... 2 hander mDk?
tho with VD all it takes is a single lucky kill, then the rest explodes, so I can understand how. mDk and magsorc can bomb like magblade, but none of them can come close to magblades. sure you will get lucky multikills and so on, but magblades will just farm multikills non-stop, the difference is soo big that its not even funny.Edited by Ragnarock41 on February 22, 2018 11:06AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »concerning Bombers,
it is possible to bomb with other classes too, it hasn´t to be a NB
Monday evening we got bombed by a DK, wearing VD (ofc), rushed in from stealth, with ctitical rush, proximity detonation up and yeah he killed 6 of the group, so yeah it is possible for other classes too
You got bombed by a.... 2 hander mDk?
See, the class is totally fine. Can even bomb!
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✭concerning Bombers,
it is possible to bomb with other classes too, it hasn´t to be a NB
Monday evening we got bombed by a DK, wearing VD (ofc), rushed in from stealth, with ctitical rush, proximity detonation up and yeah he killed 6 of the group, so yeah it is possible for other classes too
Wait a minute. You got bombed by a 2H-using MagDK, bursting in on you all from stealth with Crit Rush...? And dude was using VD too...? Although highly questionable, that is something that I wouldn’t tell anybody. Telling a story of how you had 6 of your group picked-off by a Crit-Rushing MagDK in VD is something I’d keep a secret.
to be honest, I do it myself too with a stamsorc^^
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✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »concerning Bombers,
it is possible to bomb with other classes too, it hasn´t to be a NB
Monday evening we got bombed by a DK, wearing VD (ofc), rushed in from stealth, with ctitical rush, proximity detonation up and yeah he killed 6 of the group, so yeah it is possible for other classes too
You got bombed by a.... 2 hander mDk?
Where's the lol button when you need it :'(
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✭✭✭concerning Bombers,
it is possible to bomb with other classes too, it hasn´t to be a NB
Monday evening we got bombed by a DK, wearing VD (ofc), rushed in from stealth, with ctitical rush, proximity detonation up and yeah he killed 6 of the group, so yeah it is possible for other classes too
Wait a minute. You got bombed by a 2H-using MagDK, bursting in on you all from stealth with Crit Rush...? And dude was using VD too...? Although highly questionable, that is something that I wouldn’t tell anybody. Telling a story of how you had 6 of your group picked-off by a Crit-Rushing MagDK in VD is something I’d keep a secret.
to be honest, I do it myself too with a stamsorc^^
wearing 5pcs Shieldbreaker, 1 bodypartVD and jewelryVD, and 2handerVD,
functions since update 17 better then ever!
NBs combine buff from Alchemist with Soul Harvest, Proxy Det and VD. The build you're describing lacks 2/4 components that make bombing possible; the burst + stun ult and the set that will obscenely buff your spell/weapon damage.
That's not even a bomb build. Dying to that should lead to an automatic ban from PvP servers and a blocking of your IP address.
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aeowulf✭✭✭✭✭OP - you're aksing for NB healers & tanks to be nerfed???!!! they don't exist as it is. The game does not revolve one class, but 3 roles in each class, 4 if you include PVP.
NB tanks - not viable in end game PvE - seen by none in group finder
NB Healers - percption is not viable in end game PvE - seen by none in group finder
The gap between NB tank and DK/Warden tank is WAY too big. They need love, not nerfs in 2 of the three PvE roles as designed by ZoS.
Templar tanks, need love. Sorc tanks, strong on paper, not seen in finder - need tweaks. DK healer, where should we start there???!!!!! has anyone every been a DK healer except by accident??!?
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✭✭✭✭OP - you're aksing for NB healers & tanks to be nerfed???!!! they don't exist as it is. The game does not revolve one class, but 3 roles in each class, 4 if you include PVP.
NB tanks - not viable in end game PvE - seen by none in group finder
NB Healers - percption is not viable in end game PvE - seen by none in group finder
The gap between NB tank and DK/Warden tank is WAY too big. They need love, not nerfs in 2 of the three PvE roles as designed by ZoS.
Templar tanks, need love. Sorc tanks, strong on paper, not seen in finder - need tweaks. DK healer, where should we start there???!!!!! has anyone every been a DK healer except by accident??!?
This game isn't all about PvE, or PvP.
Its about both, and there are ways to nerf a class in one without touching the other.
Nerf cloak and I guarantee you there will be A LOT more heavy armor stamblades in cyrodiil, since they will have to actually learn how to survive for once.Edited by Ragnarock41 on February 22, 2018 11:43AM3 -
aeowulf✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »OP - you're aksing for NB healers & tanks to be nerfed???!!! they don't exist as it is. The game does not revolve one class, but 3 roles in each class, 4 if you include PVP.
NB tanks - not viable in end game PvE - seen by none in group finder
NB Healers - percption is not viable in end game PvE - seen by none in group finder
The gap between NB tank and DK/Warden tank is WAY too big. They need love, not nerfs in 2 of the three PvE roles as designed by ZoS.
Templar tanks, need love. Sorc tanks, strong on paper, not seen in finder - need tweaks. DK healer, where should we start there???!!!!! has anyone every been a DK healer except by accident??!?
This game isn't all about PvE, or PvP.
Its about both, and there are ways to nerf a class in one without touching the other.
Nerf cloak and I guarantee you there will be A LOT more heavy armor stamblades in cyrodiil, since they will have to actually learn how to survive for once.
Yes completely agree. The game should be looked as as a whole, and all classes should be at least viable in every area. There seems to be a trend where cause and effect are not understood well. Morrowind siphoning change - it was excellent, and was rebalanced for NB DPS, and fits in well there. It was not balanced for NB tanks, which is one of the larger reasons you do not see them anymore. ZoS noticed this, and tried to twaek the executioner passive, and actually broke it (it now does not restore resources if you kill something with an assasination ability) bug reported in November, if not before...
Cloak needs fixing first from what I gather. Personally I think it should be changed to leave a 'trail of blood' the amount depending on the amount you are bleeding, pooling if you stay still. With cloak up any direct damage should miss, but all ground AE should hit/bring out, dots should continue if applied. I'd like it more to mirror how 'in my head magic cloak would work' but it should also be unbreakable by a lot more. Would need balancing and probably a lot of stuff restoring. irl if someone snuck up and stuck you with a sword, you'd probably be dead. why is it not the same in ESO (talking about any class with sneak/claok not just NB here)
The easiest way to balance cloak is to make sneak better, as everyone has that, but then you detract from a nightblade being a nightblade? Every class should have it's signature 'thing' dk-tank, templar-healer, sorc-pets, warden-all round. NB used to be resource masters, that was removed so it's more critical they hold on to cloak these days. Please bare in mind, cloak is signature wise the equivalent of a DK chains, sorc shield, etc etc. If it's nerfed/removed as everyone seems to want, what should NB have intstead? They don't have the best DPS, healing, tankage or sustain, and are actually pretty bad (comparatively) in some of those areas, in the tougher PvE content anyway. They do have burst, which is less good on boss mobs, and even if you removed cloak, they would still sneak, which everyone has anyway.
Maybe just have PVP campaigns where class skills & passives are removed - everyone will be perfectly balanced in those? Seems to be what people are shouting for. My stamblade already only slots 3 class skills out of a total of 12 skill as it is, pretty poor really.0 -
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Buff the weaker counterparts, instead of nerfing the strong one.
Mag DK and Mag Templar need an complete overhaul if ZOS wants to keep rolling with Magicka = ranged setups, Stamina = melee setups.
Magplar and MagDK were simply not designed to be a ranged magicka setup. Magplar is easier fixable, but MagDK no clue tbh lol
MagDK does not need any major or complicated overhaul, I don't see why people think it does. With a couple of quick changes it could compete with stam DDs for a melee spot
- Drop the Standard of Might cost to 200
- But Lava Whip morph significantly. Give it a flat damage increase, something like ~8%, to all flame damage abilities (not just Ardent Flame) while slotted.
The only change the bar set up of a MagDK will need, is to put Molten Whip on both bars to benefit from the buff. Something like this:
.. and voila. You buffed MagDK melee deeps by ~15% and brought him on par with stam DDs, without affecting PvP builds at all. The free Power Lash and massive HoT, will always make Flame Lash BiS for PvP and no one uses banner in PvP over Dragon Leap anyway. Win-win.
There can be indirect buffs via sets as well. Zaan was a change in that direction. If they change the Silks of the Sun 2p bonus to be spell crit (like War Maiden, for example) they have created a great DPS set for Trials, arguably better than Acuity/Julianos.
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It is so unreliable I rarely even use it on my stamblade.4 -
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Buff the weaker counterparts, instead of nerfing the strong one.
Mag DK and Mag Templar need an complete overhaul if ZOS wants to keep rolling with Magicka = ranged setups, Stamina = melee setups.
Magplar and MagDK were simply not designed to be a ranged magicka setup. Magplar is easier fixable, but MagDK no clue tbh lol
MagDK does not need any major or complicated overhaul, I don't see why people think it does. With a couple of quick changes it could compete with stam DDs for a melee spot
- Drop the Standard of Might cost to 200
- But Lava Whip morph significantly. Give it a flat damage increase, something like ~8%, to all flame damage abilities (not just Ardent Flame) while slotted.
The only change the bar set up of a MagDK will need, is to put Molten Whip on both bars to benefit from the buff. Something like this:
.. and voila. You buffed MagDK melee deeps by ~15% and brought him on par with stam DDs, without affecting PvP builds at all. The free Power Lash and massive HoT, will always make Flame Lash BiS for PvP and no one uses banner in PvP over Dragon Leap anyway. Win-win.
There can be indirect buffs via sets as well. Zaan was a change in that direction. If they change the Silks of the Sun 2p bonus to be spell crit (like War Maiden, for example) they have created a great DPS set for Trials, arguably better than Acuity/Julianos.
Shifting standard is an AMAZING small scale ulti. I use it a hell of alot more than my leap(even though my leap hits really really hard). If im severely outnumbered standard near any line of sight and over half the group wont even approach me and im free to melt the kids who decide to hop in my 5k dot AOE with a 45% heal debuff on it.
On topic though. I dont thing NBs need nerfs. Other classes need buffs
This is coming from a person who absolutley despises NBs and would not care if they were completley removed and replaced. Invisibility is the cancer of this game.
From an objective, non biased, perspective. Buff Mag blade, Mag DK, Magplar, and Stam Sorc survivability for PvP. Buff Mag Sorc NON EXECUTE damage in PvP, Buff Stam Dk sustain, Damage and AOE utility in PvP. Buff mag Dk Sustain in PvE.
Ill probably make a thread detailing my ideas and hopefully it can stay constructive. Unlike this one, this is just a bunch of children crying over toys.
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✭✭✭For those of you that do not think Nightblade is over performing you need to look across the internet to see the 57 - 60k DPS parses across the internet. The sorc just took a huge hit with off balance changes in addition it relies on pets which can cause issues in trials.
In PVP it is extremely strong and has far too much utility and damage to not be considered unbalanced. Anyone saying the contrary is just fearing the nerf.
Everyone that used heavy attacks took a hit with the off-balance changes. Also, I've hit 60k on my stamplar and I'm not really a great player or anything, though admittedly this is in CWC. But I'm sure really good stamplars are still hitting 60k+, as well as other stam DPS specs.
So what's your goal here? Nerf Nightblades so some other class is top dog and you ask for them to be nerfed and it just perpetuates until all the classes are complete ***?
IMO Nghtblades should be top DPS considering they have the most complex rotation.
Developers usually don't give classes higher DPS based on rotation complexity. Also, it may be harder for you but easier for some.
Wow! You missed both my points there. First one being that 60k can be hit on a variety of classes and you don't even need to be a top notch player to do so. Second point being that there will always be a top DPS spec. That doesn't mean they should be nerfed because it will just crown some other spec as the top DPS, and with your line of thinking that new top DPS should be nerfed. This would just continue until there's nothing left to nerf.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA2 -
Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭For those of you that do not think Nightblade is over performing you need to look across the internet to see the 57 - 60k DPS parses across the internet. The sorc just took a huge hit with off balance changes in addition it relies on pets which can cause issues in trials.
In PVP it is extremely strong and has far too much utility and damage to not be considered unbalanced. Anyone saying the contrary is just fearing the nerf.
Everyone that used heavy attacks took a hit with the off-balance changes. Also, I've hit 60k on my stamplar and I'm not really a great player or anything, though admittedly this is in CWC. But I'm sure really good stamplars are still hitting 60k+, as well as other stam DPS specs.
So what's your goal here? Nerf Nightblades so some other class is top dog and you ask for them to be nerfed and it just perpetuates until all the classes are complete ***?
IMO Nghtblades should be top DPS considering they have the most complex rotation.
To be honest, the rotation is not that complicated, with or without boss mechanics. Took me a youtube video and 2 days of pledges to get the rotation down....(and that was with 0 experience with magblade in PvE)
Saying that a class should´ve good DPS because a rotation on a specific build (which is different between builds) isn´t a valid reason. If that was the case stamina DK should´ve the lowest DPS in the game due to how brain-dead easy their rotation is.
Stamina nightblade does roughly the same DPS as all other stamina setups. So stamblade VS other Stam-setups, nightblade is ok. But magblade in comparison to other magicka classes is overperforming (magsorcs is a fair competitor to magblade though). Magplar and magDK can never compete with a magblade. Do I even have to bring up magwarden?
Mainly I think it´s because magDK, magplar and magden is underperformning in PvE in terms of DPS, and are in need of huge buffs.
If three classes are performing on par and one is over performing you don't buff the three classes you nerf the one.
It's funny that you, the OP of this thread about balance, would make this statement. Apparently you don't even recognize the Warden as a class but you're issue is that Nightblades are overperforming, not that Wardens are underperforming to the point you don't even recognize them as a class. Anyone else smell ulterior motives?BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
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✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Nbs need their deserved nerfs.
Cloak is just too much.
Too much? You can pull us out of cloak easy. Stamblades don't have a shield and rely on shuffle, rally and cloak, which may I add that all cloak morphs are MAGIC based so stamina users can't spam it. Mageblades, like myself, can cloak for days but what will that get me? Not killed 50% of the time. A non cloak user can use invisibility pots and it acts the same way (plus major expedition and it is awesome). I bet you don't even give cloak half the credit it deserves because I guarantee you that most of the time when an enemy camp is burned down by a single person, it's someone using cloak. When someone is getting a camp up quick and out of sight to get a group up, it's a cloak user. When a person is ganking a zerg from behind and everyone turns around to find them, that makes defense easier. Cloak user. I do this. I have split large groups apart and made them easier for people to kill because some go after me as I cloak. Sometimes I lead the enemy straight to the group because they are so focused on one person. Now I am not a gankblade as a magic user. I use cloak for survivability and strategy, not for offense. I mostly use cloak to farm faster and easier tbh.Your friendly neighborhood crazy cat lady of ESO
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Reedx✭✭✭i knew this post would blow up, well done to the op for clickbait, but i hope zeni read all of these comments so they understand that even one guy is a bad loser in pvp and want to make all of us pay for it, that none here agrees with him, and the time for nerfing is over and only small buffs remainMaker of Drama & Lover of Roleplay1 -
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✭✭✭✭Kuramas9tails wrote: »
I use cloak for survivability and strategy, not for offense..Ragnarock41 wrote: »Nbs need their deserved nerfs.
Cloak is just too much.
And that is exactly the problem with it.0
