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Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭OMG Stop . We all got a nerf . Especially NB . Warden got birds and NB got an extra . You don't see them flipping a desk over .0 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »OMG Stop . We all got a nerf . Especially NB . Warden got birds and NB got an extra . You don't see them flipping a desk over .
I see them flipping desks every day!0 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »OMG Stop . We all got a nerf . Especially NB . Warden got birds and NB got an extra . You don't see them flipping a desk over .
I see them flipping desks every day!
That false allegation makes me want to flip a desk !
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Hutch679✭✭✭✭✭
✭Each to his own, I'd say. I tend to view birds change in conjunction with the other changes to "help" dodge and from a mag warden perspective, and on the basis of stam warden issue in pvp.
Most posters view it differently and reduce it to "eat this, you bird spammer, git gud". Fair enough.
I guess we'll talk in a couple months again and see the actual effects. I sincerely hope that I am wrong and we will not have, in this place, a bunch of magicka players full of schadenfreude about the stam nerfs to curb the emergent era of dodge.
You now have to outplay a medium armor build to kill them, much like they have to do to you. You have to hit the Fissure before the rest of the combo so that he’s CC’ed and his dodge roll is canceled, similar to using DBoS for the same reason. You can still always just run stam poisons and they’ll run dry after an application or two.
On live it’s virtually impossible for a medium build to recover from a magden’s burst because you can keep so much pressure up that goes through their main defense. The only counter to racer is very costly in medium and sill doesn’t counter fissure
Or just pop permafrost
Fissure stuns, soooooo what's the point of permafrost again?0 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »OMG Stop . We all got a nerf . Especially NB . Warden got birds and NB got an extra . You don't see them flipping a desk over .
I see them flipping desks every day!
That false allegation makes me want to flip a desk !
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Hutch679✭✭✭✭✭
✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »And why am I upset?
Not because it's dodgeable alone, the fact that they did absolutely nothing to help in PvE nor compensate for the change.
It's just plain worse - not different, just worse.
Could they have tweaked an artic wind morph?
Added an effect?
Reduced ability costs?
Of course, but no, ah hell no
But I suppose I should be happy that mSorc is no longer the worst PvP class
When was this golden time when magsorc was on the bottom? Please tell me, if you think it's right now sorry, stamsorc, stamdk and stamplar want to have a talk with you
Nothzing that's stamina can be bottom purely because of available sets that are OP
The opness of those sets isn't enough to push those classes above magsorc performance.
What? Lol stamplar is by far top dog right now.0 -
Firstmep✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »And why am I upset?
Not because it's dodgeable alone, the fact that they did absolutely nothing to help in PvE nor compensate for the change.
It's just plain worse - not different, just worse.
Could they have tweaked an artic wind morph?
Added an effect?
Reduced ability costs?
Of course, but no, ah hell no
But I suppose I should be happy that mSorc is no longer the worst PvP class
When was this golden time when magsorc was on the bottom? Please tell me, if you think it's right now sorry, stamsorc, stamdk and stamplar want to have a talk with you
Nothzing that's stamina can be bottom purely because of available sets that are OP
The opness of those sets isn't enough to push those classes above magsorc performance.
What? Lol stamplar is by far top dog right now.
In what universe?
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CatchMeTrolling✭✭✭✭✭
✭To say that mag warden is the best magicka class is absurd, you guys need to stop it.2 -
Defilted✭✭✭✭✭
✭Dodge-able birds is not going to hurt the skill, just put it in line with all the other skills.XBOX NA
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Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It was needed. I legit felt like I was cheating when fighting Med Armor builds, so when I thought I was about to duel one I would swap the bird with Force Pulse.
It's still a strong spammable, so I don't think a few extra dodge rolls are gonna be the end of MagDens"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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CatchMeTrolling✭✭✭✭✭
✭You also can't balance the game based on the 1 percent, no dev does that. Maybe get ideas but balancing based on their capabilities? No. That's because a good player will make any class look good even if it's in a *** place. Let's not act like we haven't seen good Stamplars, magplars stam sorcs, magblades etc. in the past when the overall consensus was they are bad.
While at the same time bad players will make good classes look bad. How long did it take for people to catch on to wardens ability, before many of you called them trash in pve and pvp on the forums until they became fotm because BG players and Kodi showed otherwise MONTH'S later. Let's not forget the threads warning how good they are but the majority was against it, even people that now say they're op.2 -
pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Each to his own, I'd say. I tend to view birds change in conjunction with the other changes to "help" dodge and from a mag warden perspective, and on the basis of stam warden issue in pvp.
Most posters view it differently and reduce it to "eat this, you bird spammer, git gud". Fair enough.
I guess we'll talk in a couple months again and see the actual effects. I sincerely hope that I am wrong and we will not have, in this place, a bunch of magicka players full of schadenfreude about the stam nerfs to curb the emergent era of dodge.
You now have to outplay a medium armor build to kill them, much like they have to do to you. You have to hit the Fissure before the rest of the combo so that he’s CC’ed and his dodge roll is canceled, similar to using DBoS for the same reason. You can still always just run stam poisons and they’ll run dry after an application or two.
On live it’s virtually impossible for a medium build to recover from a magden’s burst because you can keep so much pressure up that goes through their main defense. The only counter to racer is very costly in medium and sill doesn’t counter fissure
Or just pop permafrost
Fissure stuns, soooooo what's the point of permafrost again?
If you are asking me what is the point of a mobile high dmg undodgeable AOE snare + cc that also gives you the most powerful defensive buff in the game effectively allowing you to go full offense for its duration and land very easily your very high burst that can easily almost one shot medium builds then i really dont know what to tell you.
If that isnt a counter to medium dodge builds then we obviously have a very different definition on what counter means. I am sorry but counter doesnt mean "i win" button. If this is what you want then dont be surprised that people disagree with you. And permafrost against medium dodge builds is prety close to an "i win" button.Edited by pieratsos on January 30, 2018 8:10PM0 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Each to his own, I'd say. I tend to view birds change in conjunction with the other changes to "help" dodge and from a mag warden perspective, and on the basis of stam warden issue in pvp.
Most posters view it differently and reduce it to "eat this, you bird spammer, git gud". Fair enough.
I guess we'll talk in a couple months again and see the actual effects. I sincerely hope that I am wrong and we will not have, in this place, a bunch of magicka players full of schadenfreude about the stam nerfs to curb the emergent era of dodge.
You now have to outplay a medium armor build to kill them, much like they have to do to you. You have to hit the Fissure before the rest of the combo so that he’s CC’ed and his dodge roll is canceled, similar to using DBoS for the same reason. You can still always just run stam poisons and they’ll run dry after an application or two.
On live it’s virtually impossible for a medium build to recover from a magden’s burst because you can keep so much pressure up that goes through their main defense. The only counter to racer is very costly in medium and sill doesn’t counter fissure
Or just pop permafrost
Fissure stuns, soooooo what's the point of permafrost again?
If you are asking me what is the point of a mobile high dmg undodgeable AOE snare + cc that also gives you the most powerful defensive buff in the game effectively allowing you to go full offense for its duration then i really dont know what to tell you.
If that isnt a counter to medium dodge builds then we obviously have a very different definition on what counter means. I am sorry but counter doesnt mean "i win" button. If this is what you want then dont be surprised that people disagree with you. And permafrost against medium dodge builds is prety close to an "i win" button.
Wtf do you consider "high damage" it deals a significant amount less damage than EotS with the same stats and has a far smaller radius.0 -
pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Each to his own, I'd say. I tend to view birds change in conjunction with the other changes to "help" dodge and from a mag warden perspective, and on the basis of stam warden issue in pvp.
Most posters view it differently and reduce it to "eat this, you bird spammer, git gud". Fair enough.
I guess we'll talk in a couple months again and see the actual effects. I sincerely hope that I am wrong and we will not have, in this place, a bunch of magicka players full of schadenfreude about the stam nerfs to curb the emergent era of dodge.
You now have to outplay a medium armor build to kill them, much like they have to do to you. You have to hit the Fissure before the rest of the combo so that he’s CC’ed and his dodge roll is canceled, similar to using DBoS for the same reason. You can still always just run stam poisons and they’ll run dry after an application or two.
On live it’s virtually impossible for a medium build to recover from a magden’s burst because you can keep so much pressure up that goes through their main defense. The only counter to racer is very costly in medium and sill doesn’t counter fissure
Or just pop permafrost
Fissure stuns, soooooo what's the point of permafrost again?
If you are asking me what is the point of a mobile high dmg undodgeable AOE snare + cc that also gives you the most powerful defensive buff in the game effectively allowing you to go full offense for its duration then i really dont know what to tell you.
If that isnt a counter to medium dodge builds then we obviously have a very different definition on what counter means. I am sorry but counter doesnt mean "i win" button. If this is what you want then dont be surprised that people disagree with you. And permafrost against medium dodge builds is prety close to an "i win" button.
Wtf do you consider "high damage" it deals a significant amount less damage than EotS with the same stats and has a far smaller radius.
EoTS is a 250 ult that literally only does dmg. Its kinda obvious that it should hit way harder than any other ult with the utility of permafrost. If EoTs is the standard of "high dmg" then nothing else deals high dmg.
But lets be realistic. The point was about the ability countering medium. Im prety sure that you really cant deny that.Edited by pieratsos on January 30, 2018 8:26PM2 -
pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »How long did it take for people to catch on to wardens ability, before many of you called them trash in pve and pvp on the forums until they became fotm because BG players and Kodi showed otherwise MONTH'S later. Let's not forget the threads warning how good they are but the majority was against it, even people that now say they're op.
Not sure where you are getting this info but people were calling Wardens OP in PVP before they even made it to live. Just because Kodi made it popular it doesnt mean that no one knew how to play a warden. And the fact that it took some time for people to learn the class it doesnt mean that it was balanced. It was a new class. It would obviously need time to learn it.1 -
CatchMeTrolling✭✭✭✭✭
✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »How long did it take for people to catch on to wardens ability, before many of you called them trash in pve and pvp on the forums until they became fotm because BG players and Kodi showed otherwise MONTH'S later. Let's not forget the threads warning how good they are but the majority was against it, even people that now say they're op.
Not sure where you are getting this info but people were calling Wardens OP in PVP before they even made it to live. Just because Kodi made it popular it doesnt mean that no one knew how to play a warden. And the fact that it took some time for people to learn the class it doesnt mean that it was balanced. It was a new class. It would obviously need time to learn it.
After they came out many people said they aren’t good, there’s threads on the forum. So I don’t know where you have been. Didn’t say no one knew, don’t miscontrue what I said.
And did you not read my last sentence, no way you read it and that was the first thing you conjured up. Comprehend before you reply.
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Hutch679✭✭✭✭✭
✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »And why am I upset?
Not because it's dodgeable alone, the fact that they did absolutely nothing to help in PvE nor compensate for the change.
It's just plain worse - not different, just worse.
Could they have tweaked an artic wind morph?
Added an effect?
Reduced ability costs?
Of course, but no, ah hell no
But I suppose I should be happy that mSorc is no longer the worst PvP class
When was this golden time when magsorc was on the bottom? Please tell me, if you think it's right now sorry, stamsorc, stamdk and stamplar want to have a talk with you
Nothzing that's stamina can be bottom purely because of available sets that are OP
The opness of those sets isn't enough to push those classes above magsorc performance.
What? Lol stamplar is by far top dog right now.
In what universe?
You must not be on console.0 -
Hutch679✭✭✭✭✭
✭Each to his own, I'd say. I tend to view birds change in conjunction with the other changes to "help" dodge and from a mag warden perspective, and on the basis of stam warden issue in pvp.
Most posters view it differently and reduce it to "eat this, you bird spammer, git gud". Fair enough.
I guess we'll talk in a couple months again and see the actual effects. I sincerely hope that I am wrong and we will not have, in this place, a bunch of magicka players full of schadenfreude about the stam nerfs to curb the emergent era of dodge.
You now have to outplay a medium armor build to kill them, much like they have to do to you. You have to hit the Fissure before the rest of the combo so that he’s CC’ed and his dodge roll is canceled, similar to using DBoS for the same reason. You can still always just run stam poisons and they’ll run dry after an application or two.
On live it’s virtually impossible for a medium build to recover from a magden’s burst because you can keep so much pressure up that goes through their main defense. The only counter to racer is very costly in medium and sill doesn’t counter fissure
Or just pop permafrost
Fissure stuns, soooooo what's the point of permafrost again?
If you are asking me what is the point of a mobile high dmg undodgeable AOE snare + cc that also gives you the most powerful defensive buff in the game effectively allowing you to go full offense for its duration and land very easily your very high burst that can easily almost one shot medium builds then i really dont know what to tell you.
If that isnt a counter to medium dodge builds then we obviously have a very different definition on what counter means. I am sorry but counter doesnt mean "i win" button. If this is what you want then dont be surprised that people disagree with you. And permafrost against medium dodge builds is prety close to an "i win" button.
Northern storm does the same thing without the stun that you already get from deep fissure, and does more damage. Lol so again.... why permafrost over northern storm?0 -
Ron_Burgundy_79✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »And why am I upset?
Not because it's dodgeable alone, the fact that they did absolutely nothing to help in PvE nor compensate for the change.
It's just plain worse - not different, just worse.
Could they have tweaked an artic wind morph?
Added an effect?
Reduced ability costs?
Of course, but no, ah hell no
But I suppose I should be happy that mSorc is no longer the worst PvP class
When was this golden time when magsorc was on the bottom? Please tell me, if you think it's right now sorry, stamsorc, stamdk and stamplar want to have a talk with you
Nothzing that's stamina can be bottom purely because of available sets that are OP
The opness of those sets isn't enough to push those classes above magsorc performance.
What? Lol stamplar is by far top dog right now.
In what universe?
You must not be on console.
Pretty sure a stamplar won the big pc na dueling tournament a couple weeks ago.2 -
Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Each to his own, I'd say. I tend to view birds change in conjunction with the other changes to "help" dodge and from a mag warden perspective, and on the basis of stam warden issue in pvp.
Most posters view it differently and reduce it to "eat this, you bird spammer, git gud". Fair enough.
I guess we'll talk in a couple months again and see the actual effects. I sincerely hope that I am wrong and we will not have, in this place, a bunch of magicka players full of schadenfreude about the stam nerfs to curb the emergent era of dodge.
You now have to outplay a medium armor build to kill them, much like they have to do to you. You have to hit the Fissure before the rest of the combo so that he’s CC’ed and his dodge roll is canceled, similar to using DBoS for the same reason. You can still always just run stam poisons and they’ll run dry after an application or two.
On live it’s virtually impossible for a medium build to recover from a magden’s burst because you can keep so much pressure up that goes through their main defense. The only counter to racer is very costly in medium and sill doesn’t counter fissure
Or just pop permafrost
Fissure stuns, soooooo what's the point of permafrost again?
If you are asking me what is the point of a mobile high dmg undodgeable AOE snare + cc that also gives you the most powerful defensive buff in the game effectively allowing you to go full offense for its duration and land very easily your very high burst that can easily almost one shot medium builds then i really dont know what to tell you.
If that isnt a counter to medium dodge builds then we obviously have a very different definition on what counter means. I am sorry but counter doesnt mean "i win" button. If this is what you want then dont be surprised that people disagree with you. And permafrost against medium dodge builds is prety close to an "i win" button.
Northern storm does the same thing without the stun that you already get from deep fissure, and does more damage. Lol so again.... why permafrost over northern storm?
AOE stun that goes through block outperforms the tiny dmg increase.<Noricum>
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pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »How long did it take for people to catch on to wardens ability, before many of you called them trash in pve and pvp on the forums until they became fotm because BG players and Kodi showed otherwise MONTH'S later. Let's not forget the threads warning how good they are but the majority was against it, even people that now say they're op.
Not sure where you are getting this info but people were calling Wardens OP in PVP before they even made it to live. Just because Kodi made it popular it doesnt mean that no one knew how to play a warden. And the fact that it took some time for people to learn the class it doesnt mean that it was balanced. It was a new class. It would obviously need time to learn it.
After they came out many people said they aren’t good, there’s threads on the forum. So I don’t know where you have been. Didn’t say no one knew, don’t miscontrue what I said.
And did you not read my last sentence, no way you read it and that was the first thing you conjured up. Comprehend before you reply.
So you said people had mixed opinions to prove what exactly?0 -
Hutch679✭✭✭✭✭
✭Each to his own, I'd say. I tend to view birds change in conjunction with the other changes to "help" dodge and from a mag warden perspective, and on the basis of stam warden issue in pvp.
Most posters view it differently and reduce it to "eat this, you bird spammer, git gud". Fair enough.
I guess we'll talk in a couple months again and see the actual effects. I sincerely hope that I am wrong and we will not have, in this place, a bunch of magicka players full of schadenfreude about the stam nerfs to curb the emergent era of dodge.
You now have to outplay a medium armor build to kill them, much like they have to do to you. You have to hit the Fissure before the rest of the combo so that he’s CC’ed and his dodge roll is canceled, similar to using DBoS for the same reason. You can still always just run stam poisons and they’ll run dry after an application or two.
On live it’s virtually impossible for a medium build to recover from a magden’s burst because you can keep so much pressure up that goes through their main defense. The only counter to racer is very costly in medium and sill doesn’t counter fissure
Or just pop permafrost
Fissure stuns, soooooo what's the point of permafrost again?
If you are asking me what is the point of a mobile high dmg undodgeable AOE snare + cc that also gives you the most powerful defensive buff in the game effectively allowing you to go full offense for its duration and land very easily your very high burst that can easily almost one shot medium builds then i really dont know what to tell you.
If that isnt a counter to medium dodge builds then we obviously have a very different definition on what counter means. I am sorry but counter doesnt mean "i win" button. If this is what you want then dont be surprised that people disagree with you. And permafrost against medium dodge builds is prety close to an "i win" button.
Northern storm does the same thing without the stun that you already get from deep fissure, and does more damage. Lol so again.... why permafrost over northern storm?
AOE stun that goes through block outperforms the tiny dmg increase.
Deep fissure stuns and goes through block. FFS do people read?0 -
Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Each to his own, I'd say. I tend to view birds change in conjunction with the other changes to "help" dodge and from a mag warden perspective, and on the basis of stam warden issue in pvp.
Most posters view it differently and reduce it to "eat this, you bird spammer, git gud". Fair enough.
I guess we'll talk in a couple months again and see the actual effects. I sincerely hope that I am wrong and we will not have, in this place, a bunch of magicka players full of schadenfreude about the stam nerfs to curb the emergent era of dodge.
You now have to outplay a medium armor build to kill them, much like they have to do to you. You have to hit the Fissure before the rest of the combo so that he’s CC’ed and his dodge roll is canceled, similar to using DBoS for the same reason. You can still always just run stam poisons and they’ll run dry after an application or two.
On live it’s virtually impossible for a medium build to recover from a magden’s burst because you can keep so much pressure up that goes through their main defense. The only counter to racer is very costly in medium and sill doesn’t counter fissure
Or just pop permafrost
Fissure stuns, soooooo what's the point of permafrost again?
If you are asking me what is the point of a mobile high dmg undodgeable AOE snare + cc that also gives you the most powerful defensive buff in the game effectively allowing you to go full offense for its duration and land very easily your very high burst that can easily almost one shot medium builds then i really dont know what to tell you.
If that isnt a counter to medium dodge builds then we obviously have a very different definition on what counter means. I am sorry but counter doesnt mean "i win" button. If this is what you want then dont be surprised that people disagree with you. And permafrost against medium dodge builds is prety close to an "i win" button.
Northern storm does the same thing without the stun that you already get from deep fissure, and does more damage. Lol so again.... why permafrost over northern storm?
AOE stun that goes through block outperforms the tiny dmg increase.
Deep fissure stuns and goes through block. FFS do people read?
deep fissure does not stun through block. ffs do you even play the game?
deep fissure stun is blockable - the dmg is not.Edited by Derra on January 30, 2018 9:09PM<Noricum>
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pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Each to his own, I'd say. I tend to view birds change in conjunction with the other changes to "help" dodge and from a mag warden perspective, and on the basis of stam warden issue in pvp.
Most posters view it differently and reduce it to "eat this, you bird spammer, git gud". Fair enough.
I guess we'll talk in a couple months again and see the actual effects. I sincerely hope that I am wrong and we will not have, in this place, a bunch of magicka players full of schadenfreude about the stam nerfs to curb the emergent era of dodge.
You now have to outplay a medium armor build to kill them, much like they have to do to you. You have to hit the Fissure before the rest of the combo so that he’s CC’ed and his dodge roll is canceled, similar to using DBoS for the same reason. You can still always just run stam poisons and they’ll run dry after an application or two.
On live it’s virtually impossible for a medium build to recover from a magden’s burst because you can keep so much pressure up that goes through their main defense. The only counter to racer is very costly in medium and sill doesn’t counter fissure
Or just pop permafrost
Fissure stuns, soooooo what's the point of permafrost again?
If you are asking me what is the point of a mobile high dmg undodgeable AOE snare + cc that also gives you the most powerful defensive buff in the game effectively allowing you to go full offense for its duration and land very easily your very high burst that can easily almost one shot medium builds then i really dont know what to tell you.
If that isnt a counter to medium dodge builds then we obviously have a very different definition on what counter means. I am sorry but counter doesnt mean "i win" button. If this is what you want then dont be surprised that people disagree with you. And permafrost against medium dodge builds is prety close to an "i win" button.
Northern storm does the same thing without the stun that you already get from deep fissure, and does more damage. Lol so again.... why permafrost over northern storm?
What kind of question is that lol. You are talking about an AOE hard CC. I mean, you do realise that you are not always in a 1v1 situation right? And even in a 1v1 situation its still better. It will keep them in the radius and make your burst very easy to land. I tried northern storm. It took me less than 1 hour to switch back to permafrost again.Edited by pieratsos on January 30, 2018 9:14PM0 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »And why am I upset?
Not because it's dodgeable alone, the fact that they did absolutely nothing to help in PvE nor compensate for the change.
It's just plain worse - not different, just worse.
Could they have tweaked an artic wind morph?
Added an effect?
Reduced ability costs?
Of course, but no, ah hell no
But I suppose I should be happy that mSorc is no longer the worst PvP class
When was this golden time when magsorc was on the bottom? Please tell me, if you think it's right now sorry, stamsorc, stamdk and stamplar want to have a talk with you
Nothzing that's stamina can be bottom purely because of available sets that are OP
The opness of those sets isn't enough to push those classes above magsorc performance.
What? Lol stamplar is by far top dog right now.
In what universe?
You must not be on console.
React Faster, Kickback
Name another stamplar that scares you, I can’t. Even Kickback doesn’t scare me so much as him+his group because I’m solo usually and they work together wellEdited by Lexxypwns on January 30, 2018 9:21PM0 -
CatchMeTrolling✭✭✭✭✭
✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »How long did it take for people to catch on to wardens ability, before many of you called them trash in pve and pvp on the forums until they became fotm because BG players and Kodi showed otherwise MONTH'S later. Let's not forget the threads warning how good they are but the majority was against it, even people that now say they're op.
Not sure where you are getting this info but people were calling Wardens OP in PVP before they even made it to live. Just because Kodi made it popular it doesnt mean that no one knew how to play a warden. And the fact that it took some time for people to learn the class it doesnt mean that it was balanced. It was a new class. It would obviously need time to learn it.
After they came out many people said they aren’t good, there’s threads on the forum. So I don’t know where you have been. Didn’t say no one knew, don’t miscontrue what I said.
And did you not read my last sentence, no way you read it and that was the first thing you conjured up. Comprehend before you reply.
So you said people had mixed opinions to prove what exactly?
After the new class hype died down there wasn’t mixed opinions, the general consensus was that they were bad. On the game and on the forums. The reality is people started to dust off their wardens late last year when you started seeing nerf shalk threads; that was October, albeit people didn’t start screaming op again until at least November/December. But I digress, the original point should’ve been clear if you used your context clues. Instead you decided to take what you wanted from it to disprove whatever misconstrued point you thought I was making.0 -
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✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »And why am I upset?
Not because it's dodgeable alone, the fact that they did absolutely nothing to help in PvE nor compensate for the change.
It's just plain worse - not different, just worse.
Could they have tweaked an artic wind morph?
Added an effect?
Reduced ability costs?
Of course, but no, ah hell no
But I suppose I should be happy that mSorc is no longer the worst PvP class
When was this golden time when magsorc was on the bottom? Please tell me, if you think it's right now sorry, stamsorc, stamdk and stamplar want to have a talk with you
Nothzing that's stamina can be bottom purely because of available sets that are OP
The opness of those sets isn't enough to push those classes above magsorc performance.
What? Lol stamplar is by far top dog right now.
In what universe?
You must not be on console.
React Faster, Kickback
Name another stamplar that scares you, I can’t. Even Kickback doesn’t scare me so much as him+his group because I’m solo usually and they work together well
I can't name a player that "scares" me. If I lose to them, I lose, but why be scared? I've packed up React Faster in plenty of BGs never really had an issue with him. Still a good player though.0 -
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✭✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »How long did it take for people to catch on to wardens ability, before many of you called them trash in pve and pvp on the forums until they became fotm because BG players and Kodi showed otherwise MONTH'S later. Let's not forget the threads warning how good they are but the majority was against it, even people that now say they're op.
Not sure where you are getting this info but people were calling Wardens OP in PVP before they even made it to live. Just because Kodi made it popular it doesnt mean that no one knew how to play a warden. And the fact that it took some time for people to learn the class it doesnt mean that it was balanced. It was a new class. It would obviously need time to learn it.
After they came out many people said they aren’t good, there’s threads on the forum. So I don’t know where you have been. Didn’t say no one knew, don’t miscontrue what I said.
And did you not read my last sentence, no way you read it and that was the first thing you conjured up. Comprehend before you reply.
So you said people had mixed opinions to prove what exactly?
After the new class hype died down there wasn’t mixed opinions, the general consensus was that they were bad. On the game and on the forums. The reality is people started to dust off their wardens late last year when you started seeing nerf shalk threads; that was October, albeit people didn’t start screaming op again until at least November/December. But I digress, the original point should’ve been clear if you used your context clues. Instead you decided to take what you wanted from it to disprove whatever misconstrued point you thought I was making.
I didnt take whatever i wanted from it although i did miss the last sentence. I just stated my opinion cause as far as i remember "wardens OP" comments were all over the place from day 1. And i also said that popularity and how long it took for people to catch up are in no way relevant with warden effectiveness. It just naturally takes time to learn the class which is one of the reasons why warden OP comments resurfaced later down the line when people actually learnt how to play the class. The other reason which you forgot is the proc set meta. During that time everything was useless and OP at the same time. Everyone were playing a different version of the same thing. Just stack procs and call it a day. This was the meta. Class balance was literally irrelevant during that period. When procs got "balanced" and classes actually mattered wardens came on top.Edited by pieratsos on January 30, 2018 10:06PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »How long did it take for people to catch on to wardens ability, before many of you called them trash in pve and pvp on the forums until they became fotm because BG players and Kodi showed otherwise MONTH'S later. Let's not forget the threads warning how good they are but the majority was against it, even people that now say they're op.
Not sure where you are getting this info but people were calling Wardens OP in PVP before they even made it to live. Just because Kodi made it popular it doesnt mean that no one knew how to play a warden. And the fact that it took some time for people to learn the class it doesnt mean that it was balanced. It was a new class. It would obviously need time to learn it.
After they came out many people said they aren’t good, there’s threads on the forum. So I don’t know where you have been. Didn’t say no one knew, don’t miscontrue what I said.
And did you not read my last sentence, no way you read it and that was the first thing you conjured up. Comprehend before you reply.
So you said people had mixed opinions to prove what exactly?
After the new class hype died down there wasn’t mixed opinions, the general consensus was that they were bad. On the game and on the forums. The reality is people started to dust off their wardens late last year when you started seeing nerf shalk threads; that was October, albeit people didn’t start screaming op again until at least November/December. But I digress, the original point should’ve been clear if you used your context clues. Instead you decided to take what you wanted from it to disprove whatever misconstrued point you thought I was making.
I didnt take whatever i wanted from it although i did miss the last sentence. I just stated my opinion cause as far as i remember "wardens OP" comments were all over the place from day 1. And i also said that popularity and how long it took for people to catch up are in no way relevant with warden effectiveness. It just naturally takes time to learn the class which is one of the reasons why warden OP comments resurfaced later down the line when people actually learnt how to play the class. The other reason which you forgot is the proc set meta. During that time everything was useless and OP at the same time. Everyone were playing a different version of the same thing. Just stack procs and call it a day. This was the meta. Class balance was literally irrelevant during that period. When procs got "balanced" and classes actually mattered wardens came in top.
It wasn't the mag version that came out on top though2 -
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✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »How long did it take for people to catch on to wardens ability, before many of you called them trash in pve and pvp on the forums until they became fotm because BG players and Kodi showed otherwise MONTH'S later. Let's not forget the threads warning how good they are but the majority was against it, even people that now say they're op.
Not sure where you are getting this info but people were calling Wardens OP in PVP before they even made it to live. Just because Kodi made it popular it doesnt mean that no one knew how to play a warden. And the fact that it took some time for people to learn the class it doesnt mean that it was balanced. It was a new class. It would obviously need time to learn it.
After they came out many people said they aren’t good, there’s threads on the forum. So I don’t know where you have been. Didn’t say no one knew, don’t miscontrue what I said.
And did you not read my last sentence, no way you read it and that was the first thing you conjured up. Comprehend before you reply.
So you said people had mixed opinions to prove what exactly?
After the new class hype died down there wasn’t mixed opinions, the general consensus was that they were bad. On the game and on the forums. The reality is people started to dust off their wardens late last year when you started seeing nerf shalk threads; that was October, albeit people didn’t start screaming op again until at least November/December. But I digress, the original point should’ve been clear if you used your context clues. Instead you decided to take what you wanted from it to disprove whatever misconstrued point you thought I was making.
I didnt take whatever i wanted from it although i did miss the last sentence. I just stated my opinion cause as far as i remember "wardens OP" comments were all over the place from day 1. And i also said that popularity and how long it took for people to catch up are in no way relevant with warden effectiveness. It just naturally takes time to learn the class which is one of the reasons why warden OP comments resurfaced later down the line when people actually learnt how to play the class. The other reason which you forgot is the proc set meta. During that time everything was useless and OP at the same time. Everyone were playing a different version of the same thing. Just stack procs and call it a day. This was the meta. Class balance was literally irrelevant during that period. When procs got "balanced" and classes actually mattered wardens came in top.
It wasn't the mag version that came out on top though
^ This.
It feels like magicka is getting punished for stamina's dominance. We will have to see if ZOS has anything planned in terms of reworking some abilities, passives etc. to make Wardens a little better than they are. My guess is the chapter is where this will come but who knows, ZOS also moves pretty slow with changes/buffs/reworks to classes.
EDIT: If Spellcrafting comes out in the Chapter that could also open some doors for Wardens because some of the spells found/data mined were frost spells, that might increase effectiveness of Wardens.
Edited by OtarTheMad on January 30, 2018 10:15PM0