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rustic_potato✭✭✭✭✭I love how they indirectly nerfed asylum destruction staffs through the off-balance changes...
Nah asylum staves are actually the same as they were before. In fact slightly better cos of the off balance changes. Concuss is still needed for the 8% damage bonus it was just double dipping when used in tandem with lightning wall to give off balance.
With the change Mag DPS will go back to fire wall with healers running lightning wall for the off balance. Fire wall bonus DPS on burning targets + concuss uptime means that perfect asylum staff is a bit stronger now that 2 effects are being utilized instead of just 1.I play how I want to.0 -
VilniusNastavnik✭✭✭✭✭First they came after my MagSorc.. Then the came after my MagDK. Very shortly they will come after the Magblade.. and everyone will be forced to play stam builds..
I quit ESO 6 months ago because my Sorc was borderline unplayable with all the nerfs and the reliance upon weaving that was impossible with 350 ping.. now I return to find magdks getting shafted again..Active Toons:
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MaselClass Representativerustic_potato wrote: »I love how they indirectly nerfed asylum destruction staffs through the off-balance changes...
Nah asylum staves are actually the same as they were before. In fact slightly better cos of the off balance changes. Concuss is still needed for the 8% damage bonus it was just double dipping when used in tandem with lightning wall to give off balance.
With the change Mag DPS will go back to fire wall with healers running lightning wall for the off balance. Fire wall bonus DPS on burning targets + concuss uptime means that perfect asylum staff is a bit stronger now that 2 effects are being utilized instead of just 1.
We already had that in our group, we had two lightning walls and two fire walls, so for us, its a definite nerf as the off-balance effect isn't useful anymore, at least that's how it looks at the moment. So yeah concussion is still nice to have, but you'll miss the free damage from exploiter a lot.PC EU
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Whish you would have to drop block and do 16 light attacks of which 5 are registered in PvP to proc whip.PC EU - Ebonheart Pact - Gray Host - Death Recap -#zergfarming -6 -
FlamingBeard✭✭✭✭✭FloppyTouch wrote: »
Whish you would have to drop block and do 16 light attacks of which 5 are registered in PvP to proc whip.
Sorry, but Assassin's Will is a lot more convenient than Power Lash.
It's ranged, high-burst damage that can be built up and saved until you need it, especially next patch where you won't be losing your Light/Heavy attack build-up progress if you refresh Merciless Resolve.
And I don' t know what you're talking about "16 light attacks of which 5 are registered in PvP."
If I can manage to achieve 3 Assassin's Will procs per rotation in a framerate-lagging mob of adds in a trial, you can easily build up one proc to use as needed. lol
I noticed in your list of characters, not one of them is a Dragoknight hmmmmm.
If Dragonknight is so good, you'd have multiple instead of your MULTIPLE NIGHTBLADES LOLEdited by FlamingBeard on January 23, 2018 10:20AM4 -
Gothrock✭✭✭FlamingBeard wrote: »
It's ranged
Its not, everyone who is able to kill you will dodge it from range.
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FlamingBeard✭✭✭✭✭FlamingBeard wrote: »
It's ranged
Its not, everyone who is able to kill you will dodge it from range.
Oh, I didn't know you could predict the future and dodge my Assassin's Will immediately by reflex, my bad!
Lol come on friend, your poorly-timed Assassin's Will procs are your own fault.
And with the blocking of MIATs add-on next patch, it will be even EASIER to use Assassin's Will.
It is one of the easiest burst skills in the game to use.
Power Lash is extremely limited in range, has a slow animation and with it being dodgeable now will hit less often since anyone rooted by a Dragonknight will dodge by reflex anyway, doesn't do as much damage as Assassin's Will (a RANGED proc does more than a MELEE proc, there's something wrong with that), and now has a one of the longest skill cooldowns in the game.
Now, please tell me how Power Lash is soooo much better again?0 -
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✭FlamingBeard wrote: »FlamingBeard wrote: »
It's ranged
Its not, everyone who is able to kill you will dodge it from range.
Oh, I didn't know you could predict the future and dodge my Assassin's Will immediately by reflex, my bad!
Lol come on friend, your poorly-timed Assassin's Will procs are your own fault.
And with the blocking of MIATs add-on next patch, it will be even EASIER to use Assassin's Will.
It is one of the easiest burst skills in the game to use.
Power Lash is extremely limited in range, has a slow animation and with it being dodgeable now will hit less often since anyone rooted by a Dragonknight will dodge by reflex anyway, doesn't do as much damage as Assassin's Will (a RANGED proc does more than a MELEE proc, there's something wrong with that), and now has a one of the longest skill cooldowns in the game.
Now, please tell me how Power Lash is soooo much better again?
No-one said powerlash is the better burst skill. But... I have this doll here so maybe you can show me where ZOS touched you?PC EU - Ebonheart Pact - Gray Host - Death Recap -#zergfarming -0 -
FlamingBeard✭✭✭✭✭FlamingBeard wrote: »FlamingBeard wrote: »
It's ranged
Its not, everyone who is able to kill you will dodge it from range.
Oh, I didn't know you could predict the future and dodge my Assassin's Will immediately by reflex, my bad!
Lol come on friend, your poorly-timed Assassin's Will procs are your own fault.
And with the blocking of MIATs add-on next patch, it will be even EASIER to use Assassin's Will.
It is one of the easiest burst skills in the game to use.
Power Lash is extremely limited in range, has a slow animation and with it being dodgeable now will hit less often since anyone rooted by a Dragonknight will dodge by reflex anyway, doesn't do as much damage as Assassin's Will (a RANGED proc does more than a MELEE proc, there's something wrong with that), and now has a one of the longest skill cooldowns in the game.
Now, please tell me how Power Lash is soooo much better again?
No-one said powerlash is the better burst skill. But... I have this doll here so maybe you can show me where ZOS touched you?
"Whish you would have to drop block and do 16 light attacks of which 5 are registered in PvP to proc whip." - your words
And stop posting in this thread if you're not going to be constructive toward balance instead of simply making inflammatory posts about how your own class which has nothing to do with the discussion.0 -
Loc2262✭✭✭✭✭Another flying-colors example for how it's not possible to properly balance PvE and PvP at the same time, yet ZOS tries to and fails time and time again. I wonder how many blunders must follow before they give up on that or at least explain why they're SO adamant about it.
Well, I only PvE, and my MagDK has been shelved for quite a while. I didn't delete her so far, figuring that things might change for the better in the future. Well, now I'll at least have a free character slot to get that one housing storage crate that they at the same time made "level up advisor only". Another thing I don't understand.
Also, a lot of CP getting freed up through removal from Thaumaturge.
ZOS, it seems I have to withdraw my previous statement that this update will finally be one with only nice things (outfits, weapon dyeing, housing storage, Templar beam fixed, ...) and where we don't have to be afraid that at the same time things get unnecessarily broken, play styles destroyed and other similar effects.Kind regards,
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✭✭Let's be positive. There is no need for *** ton of ligtning blockades anymore so magicka sorcs could switch to fire blockades for more dps. And there comes the super sweet Engulfing Flames skill buffing all the fire staff users namely magNBs and as of new Magsorcs. One spot could be reserved for magDK then xD
Sorry, I am naive but I want to get to triaaaal with my magDK (my fps is too low for magNB) :-D But hope is never dead.Edited by Olupajmibanan on January 23, 2018 11:21AM0 -
sebban✭✭✭✭Olupajmibanan wrote: »Let's be positive. There is no need for *** ton of ligtning blockades anymore so magicka sorcs could switch to fire blockades for more dps. And there comes the super sweet Engulfing Flames skill buffing all the fire staff users namely magNBs and as of new Magsorcs. One spot could be reserved for magDK then xD
Sorry, I am naive but I want to get to triaaaal with my magDK (my fps is too low for magNB) :-D But hope is never dead.
Engulfing flames will be done by the DK tanks. MagDKs will not have a place in trials still.
I mained MagDK for 3 years. I had to stop playing it shortly after Morrowind hit, since they are just not worth bringing to trials.PC EU
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Sorry, but I don't agree that it's balanced to have an ability be dodged and then set on cooldown.
You could argue the same way about crystal fragments.
It´s not on cooldown but randomly proccs - compared to which a safe procc every 3s seems good to me?Edited by Derra on January 23, 2018 12:28PM<Noricum>
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Yeah I mean if Power Lash was ranged, could proc back-to-back like Frags, and easily had a 15k+ tooltip I'd completely agree with you.
Tongue-in-cheek aside, I reject these comparisons to NB and Sorc abilities. If you guys are arguing for a homogeneous game then I can understand the need to compare Power Lash to all these other abilities. But then where's my Cloak or my Streak etc. Power Lash was one of the things that made mDK formidable even though the class lacks burst outside of its ultimate; even though the class has no execute; and even though the class has no escape mechanism or way to reset a fight other than mist form.Edited by Kilandros on January 23, 2018 3:07PMInvictus
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Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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Yeah I mean if Power Lash was ranged, could proc back-to-back like Frags, and easily had a 15k+ tooltip I'd completely agree with you.
You mean it does not cost anything proced, has an cc on it, undodgeable , does have one of the strongest hots on it, does fire damage (free 25% damage against vampires) and has a higher damage on proc.
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Yeah I mean if Power Lash was ranged, could proc back-to-back like Frags, and easily had a 15k+ tooltip I'd completely agree with you.
You mean it does not cost anything proced, has an cc on it, undodgeable , does have one of the strongest hots on it, does fire damage (free 25% damage against vampires) and has a higher damage on proc.
Ok. Where's my execute then? Give me a flame Endless Fury and we'll call it even. Deal?Invictus
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Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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Yeah I mean if Power Lash was ranged, could proc back-to-back like Frags, and easily had a 15k+ tooltip I'd completely agree with you.
Tongue-in-cheek aside, I reject these comparisons to NB and Sorc abilities. If you guys are arguing for a homogeneous game then I can understand the need to compare Power Lash to all these other abilities. But then where's my Cloak or my Streak etc. Power Lash was one of the things that made mDK formidable even though the class lacks burst outside of its ultimate; even though the class has no execute; and even though the class has no escape mechanism or way to reset a fight other than mist form.
"Was"?
It's still an amazing ability, even better than before vs dmg shield & block based builds.
Do you not realize how strong this'll be against magicka sorcs for instance, now that you can get two Power Lashes after every Fossilize?
They're already melting from mDK damage (unless pet build), extra Power Lashes & unconsumed Off Balance will completely wreck mSorcs.
It'll also be far better against block based builds since they don't tend to dodge roll.
The only builds you can argue it'll be worse against are dodge roll oriented builds, i.e. the builds that are currently free AP and have no chance whatsoever against any decent mDK.
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Yeah I mean if Power Lash was ranged, could proc back-to-back like Frags, and easily had a 15k+ tooltip I'd completely agree with you.
You mean it does not cost anything proced, has an cc on it, undodgeable , does have one of the strongest hots on it, does fire damage (free 25% damage against vampires) and has a higher damage on proc.
Ok. Where's my execute then? Give me a flame Endless Fury and we'll call it even. Deal?
Where is my cheap dot with high damage(+25% extra damage against vampires) that also heals me?
We can do this game all day long but mag dk are not weak in pvp and are more or less the mag fotm class(at least last patch).
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Yeah I mean if Power Lash was ranged, could proc back-to-back like Frags, and easily had a 15k+ tooltip I'd completely agree with you.
You mean it does not cost anything proced, has an cc on it, undodgeable , does have one of the strongest hots on it, does fire damage (free 25% damage against vampires) and has a higher damage on proc.
Ok. Where's my execute then? Give me a flame Endless Fury and we'll call it even. Deal?
Where is my cheap dot with high damage(+25% extra damage against vampires) that also heals me?
We can do this game all day long but mag dk are not weak in pvp and are more or less the mag fotm class(at least last patch).
Exactly. It's a dumb game and no one wins. There's no point trying to compare class abilities 1:1 because they're different classes, with different strengths and weaknesses.
There's plenty to discuss RE: balancing Flame Lash without adding unnecessary "but what about Sorc qq" or "what about NB qq." That doesn't get this discussion anywhere because they're completely different classes.Invictus
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Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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Yeah I mean if Power Lash was ranged, could proc back-to-back like Frags, and easily had a 15k+ tooltip I'd completely agree with you.
Tongue-in-cheek aside, I reject these comparisons to NB and Sorc abilities. If you guys are arguing for a homogeneous game then I can understand the need to compare Power Lash to all these other abilities. But then where's my Cloak or my Streak etc. Power Lash was one of the things that made mDK formidable even though the class lacks burst outside of its ultimate; even though the class has no execute; and even though the class has no escape mechanism or way to reset a fight other than mist form.
"Was"?
It's still an amazing ability, even better than before vs dmg shield & block based builds.
Do you not realize how strong this'll be against magicka sorcs for instance, now that you can get two Power Lashes after every Fossilize?
They're already melting from mDK damage (unless pet build), extra Power Lashes & unconsumed Off Balance will completely wreck mSorcs.
It'll also be far better against block based builds since they don't tend to dodge roll.
The only builds you can argue it'll be worse against are dodge roll oriented builds, i.e. the builds that are currently free AP and have no chance whatsoever against any decent mDK.
This is a good change for PvP, period.
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Yeah I mean if Power Lash was ranged, could proc back-to-back like Frags, and easily had a 15k+ tooltip I'd completely agree with you.
Tongue-in-cheek aside, I reject these comparisons to NB and Sorc abilities. If you guys are arguing for a homogeneous game then I can understand the need to compare Power Lash to all these other abilities. But then where's my Cloak or my Streak etc. Power Lash was one of the things that made mDK formidable even though the class lacks burst outside of its ultimate; even though the class has no execute; and even though the class has no escape mechanism or way to reset a fight other than mist form.
"Was"?
It's still an amazing ability, even better than before vs dmg shield & block based builds.
Do you not realize how strong this'll be against magicka sorcs for instance, now that you can get two Power Lashes after every Fossilize?
They're already melting from mDK damage (unless pet build), extra Power Lashes & unconsumed Off Balance will completely wreck mSorcs.
It'll also be far better against block based builds since they don't tend to dodge roll.
The only builds you can argue it'll be worse against are dodge roll oriented builds, i.e. the builds that are currently free AP and have no chance whatsoever against any decent mDK.
This is a good change for PvP, period.
I haven´t seen anyone yet to say that the changes isn´t good for PvP MagDK, because they´re really good for magDK in PvP. Yet their issue in PvE remains and I´ll be curious to see how ZOS handles it.0 -
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Yeah I mean if Power Lash was ranged, could proc back-to-back like Frags, and easily had a 15k+ tooltip I'd completely agree with you.
Tongue-in-cheek aside, I reject these comparisons to NB and Sorc abilities. If you guys are arguing for a homogeneous game then I can understand the need to compare Power Lash to all these other abilities. But then where's my Cloak or my Streak etc. Power Lash was one of the things that made mDK formidable even though the class lacks burst outside of its ultimate; even though the class has no execute; and even though the class has no escape mechanism or way to reset a fight other than mist form.
"Was"?
It's still an amazing ability, even better than before vs dmg shield & block based builds.
Do you not realize how strong this'll be against magicka sorcs for instance, now that you can get two Power Lashes after every Fossilize?
They're already melting from mDK damage (unless pet build), extra Power Lashes & unconsumed Off Balance will completely wreck mSorcs.
It'll also be far better against block based builds since they don't tend to dodge roll.
The only builds you can argue it'll be worse against are dodge roll oriented builds, i.e. the builds that are currently free AP and have no chance whatsoever against any decent mDK.
This is a good change for PvP, period.
I haven´t seen anyone yet to say that the changes isn´t good for PvP MagDK, because they´re really good for magDK in PvP. Yet their issue in PvE remains and I´ll be curious to see how ZOS handles it.
They will ignore it for 2 patches and will deliver a lazy band aid fix for it after 6 month like they always do.
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Jamini✭✭✭✭✭Where is my cheap dot with high damage(+25% extra damage against vampires) that also heals me?
You mean Swallow Soul/Funnel Health? You know, that spammable.
Or do you mean Leeching Strikes and it's morphs, that also restore your resources when you light attack.
Or maybe healing ward+cloak for that nice free critheal and ability to dodge out of damage.
Or shade teleport into cloak for just avoiding damage in the first place? (which does need to be fixed.)
Oh, or maybe Sap Essence? That AoE ability that heals you and gives you major sorcery to boot?
Structured Entropy is also a thing you can use, if you are still feeling like your healing abillities are too few.
NBs are the very last class that should complain about self-healing dude.Edited by Jamini on January 23, 2018 5:25PM"Adapt. or Die."3
