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Templars are plain dead.
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Left4Daud✭✭✭✭✭
✭The thing that bothers me about Templars at the moment is how poorly they synergize in 4 player group content.
After having recently grinded both my Magplar and Stamplar to Undaunted 9 via random vet dungeons and pledges I can say I have experienced some frustrations currently unique to the class. From bugged scaling, to crucial class skills overwriting, cancelling, or bugging each other out, to the awful group synergy of a key class skill in Repentance... I agree, I hope Templars have ALL these things addressed soon - not just the scaling.
Repentance for me was a huge one. It's unreal how many Templar tanks and healers run this skill, as well as other DD's. I felt like on my Stamplar after the first trash pack if the healer or tank saw me repent all the corpses, all of a sudden now it's a race to spam a button after every single trash mob kill for the rest of the dungeon. I had one greedy healer that would spam repent as I killed mobs, like literally as soon as any enemy dropped they were hitting that repent before the corpse even hit the floor. Like okay, guess it's heavy attacks for me to sustain during this run because I'm not about to make it a competition (and it shouldn't even be one to begin with).
No other class has to compete with itself so hard over a sustain skill. When I'm running on my Stamplar, I shouldn't hate seeing other Templars in my group - fearing that we will fight over enemies to repent, or that they will overwrite my Power of the Light with their own Power of the Light / Purifying Light and plummet my DPS.
Templars need better small group synergy with each other.13 -
Niobium✭✭✭✭Templars are dead?
I need to inform my Templar it has died. I had no idea! Thank you for this informative post on the death of my Templar.9 -
ADarklore✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NiclasFridholm wrote: »They are getting fixed next patch after 8 months of broken scaling so soon is a good time to come back!
@eserras7b16_ESO This! The scaling for stuff like jabs & Jesus beam was broken a while ago, so the two main dps skills took a hit, but they are being fixed in Dragon Bones... Patch notes should be out tomorrow so keep an eye out
Is this true @ZOS_Wrobel ?? Are we finally going to get to see this fixed?!?CP: 2105 ** ESO+ ** ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****
~~Started Playing: May 2015 | Stopped Playing: July 2025 | Returned: March 2026~~0 -
jssriot✭✭✭✭✭
✭The thing that bothers me about Templars at the moment is how poorly they synergize in 4 player group content.
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No other class has to compete with itself so hard over a sustain skill. When I'm running on my Stamplar, I shouldn't hate seeing other Templars in my group - fearing that we will fight over enemies to repent, or that they will overwrite my Power of the Light with their own Power of the Light / Purifying Light and plummet my DPS.
Templars need better small group synergy with each other.
Yes, this is a problem, but until they address it, here's the way to handle it: Healer always, always takes priority. I run dps (including a magplar)) and I have to live with that fact that with syn, healers' and tanks' systain always take priority and that I need to work sustain into my rotation in ways that work around that. If a temp healer is using a syn you normally use, switch it out or don't use it. Your role as dps is suppose to be the most fluid and adaptable of all the roles, to fit what what a group needs or doesn't need. You have to be prepared for that and don't compete with your healer.
I also run temp healers and this is a pet peeve of mine, especially with Retribution, which in the morph I use on 2 of my 3 healers because they also do pvp. It's like half the time with temp dps, it's me running in and laying it down right after some dps temp did just to make the point I explained above, and it's amazing how many don't get it because, ime, of all the dps, players running temp dps are the least flexible and that's a player-side problem. Learn what other skills you can use outside of class skills, deal with the fact that you may not always get to run your fav skills, and be ready to adapt.
Edited by jssriot on January 7, 2018 3:12PMPC-NA since 2015. Tired and unimpressed.2 -
Destruent✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The thing that bothers me about Templars at the moment is how poorly they synergize in 4 player group content.
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No other class has to compete with itself so hard over a sustain skill. When I'm running on my Stamplar, I shouldn't hate seeing other Templars in my group - fearing that we will fight over enemies to repent, or that they will overwrite my Power of the Light with their own Power of the Light / Purifying Light and plummet my DPS.
Templars need better small group synergy with each other.
Yes, this is a problem, but until they address it, here's the way to handle it: Healer always, always takes priority. I run dps (including a magplar)) and I have to live with that fact that with syn, healers' and tanks' systain always take priority and that I need to work sustain into my rotation in ways that work around that. If a temp healer is using a syn you normally use, switch it out or don't use it. Your role as dps is suppose to be the most fluid and adaptable of all the roles, to fit what what a group needs or doesn't need. You have to be prepared for that and don't compete with your healer.
I also run temp healers and this is a pet peeve of mine, especially with Retribution, which in the morph I use on 2 of my 3 healers because they also do pvp. It's like half the time with temp dps, it's me running in and laying it down right after some dps temp did just to make the point I explained above, and it's amazing how many don't get it because, ime, of all the dps, players running temp dps are the least flexible and that's a player-side problem. Learn what other skills you can use outside of class skills, deal with the fact that you may not always get to run your fav skills, and be ready to adapt.
STamplar should always have priority over healer to use repentance. Healing value is more or less the same but the Stamplar can make great use of the stamina for really good aoe-DPS, bc they are more or less the only class who can spam steeltornado 24/7 IF they can use repentance. IF you have a templar tank, they should usually be able to sustain without repentance (but if their is no stamplar they cxan use repentance).
The whole group benefits from the increased AoE-DPS...
Tanking and especially healing is possible without repentance, that kind of AoE not.Noobplar3 -
Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »stamplar is in a strong spot.
magplar has scaling issues which will be solved, and that scares me a lot.
I may add....stamplar is only strong bc it's a stamina build. In the end it suffers from the same bugs magplars do, but are still excepted bc Stamina-DPS is just so much higher than magicka DPS and the increase overall DPS with their normal rotation.
PvP-wise i guess templars are fine...it's just those bugs which kills magplar-DPS in PvE.
I honestly wouldn't care less about PvE.
Everything is good in PvE if you're not a leaderboard tryharder.
for PvP, stamplars are sitting in a lot better spot than previous patches, and next patch they might even be better.
I'm even considering to make one myself.
For magplars, Im just sick and tired of seeing healbots healing 40k hp Dks.
I just don't want to go back to the days of jesus beam spam. I'm all in for more magplars but I just don't want more of the beam spamming zerglings...
^^^And that right there, is why player complaints on balance are 9/10 times horrible.
You don’t care at all how balance is in PvE as long as it makes you happy in PvP. Same goes for those who could care less about PvP as long as they’re happy in PvE.6 -
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✭✭No. 1 PvE healer.
Top rank class for battlegrounds, especially magicka one.
The only reliable source of minor fracture.
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JamilaRaj✭✭✭✭✭
✭wait, i thought dk's were dead? now templars are too? we need someone to investigate whats killing off all these classes before we all die.
Oh, that is easy. *looks at warden*
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Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Templar is one of the best PVP classes right now but you have to know how to build for PVP . This is a Git Gud L2P situation .4 -
casparian✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭NiclasFridholm wrote: »They are getting fixed next patch after 8 months of broken scaling so soon is a good time to come back!
@eserras7b16_ESO This! The scaling for stuff like jabs & Jesus beam was broken a while ago, so the two main dps skills took a hit, but they are being fixed in Dragon Bones... Patch notes should be out tomorrow so keep an eye out
Is this true @ZOS_Wrobel ?? Are we finally going to get to see this fixed?!?
Yes, Wrobel himself said so in the very top comment on his comment tracker.7-day PVP campaign regular 2016-2019, Flawless Conqueror. MagDK/stamplar/stamwarden/mageblade. Requiem, Legend, Knights of Daggerfall. Currently retired from the wars; waiting on performance improvements.0 -
POps75p✭✭✭✭eserras7b16_ESO wrote: »The class is dead. But the real question is... Why is nobody giving a ***?
I've been away from the game because I am a Templar player and I do not enjoy other classes as much and so I thought: let's not rage about it anymore, they messed it up, some months and it'll come back.
Well, it didn't happen. It is ridiculous. Nobody cares.
Thanks for reading, Goodbye.
they sure did, i can do vet trials and most of the hard vet dungons without dying many many times, get booted because i dye to often, shame what eso did to a great class1 -
alephthiago✭✭✭✭✭Templars are not dead!!
Why?
Because they are holding block and spamming BoL like crazy waiting for their friends to come and save them.Walks-in-Shadowss AD Magblade
*** kitty AD Stamblade
Paarthurnax's Will AD Magicka DK
agnar cracked skull EP Magicka DK (veteran dragonstar arena bot)
Klogi Mugdul AD Stamina DK
Savre Selranni AD Magicka Sorc (being polished)
Avenar Lolhealing AD Magicka Templar (being polished)1 -
WillhelmBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭They are good, they just dont function in lag. Which is why I don't play mine in Cyrodiil, they're awesome in BG's though!PC EU0 -
itsfatbass✭✭✭✭✭NiclasFridholm wrote: »They are getting fixed next patch after 8 months of broken scaling so soon is a good time to come back!
What? Where is that info from? That would be the dream.
From THIS POSTZOS_Wrobel wrote: »@cinbri
We can add abilities to the exception list for interrupt. For example the resurrect ability doesn’t get immunity since being able to stop it is a core part of our gameplay.
@casparian
We have a fix for the bug where Puncturing Sweeps doesn’t stack correctly with damage taken bonuses. We have identified a bug with Radiant Oppression where it’s damage bonus is being calculated additively with the execute damage instead of multiplicatively.
@bohnt
Defile is a buff category so players should only be able to have 1 Minor Defile and 1 Major defile at a time. Could you provide more information on the Defile Stacking issue?
@scipionumatia
Block cost will be reduced by 20% so it will be a buff for everyone who’s not using cost reduction jewelry.
@davidj8291
@casparian~PC/NA~ Magblade, Tankanist, Healplar, Stamcro, Oakensorc, Healden, Tanknight ~PLUR~1 -
Yolokin_Swagonborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »If the Templars are dead, who's going to Repentance the dead bodies?
No one because that skill got nerfed to oblivion and back completely unnecessarily. It was a great group utility returning stamina to everyone that was very balanced and situational. Want stamina? Make dead bodies first.
But it was nerfed in the great sustain wars which were caused by the disgusting champion system which till this day keeps creating power creep which is payed for by robbing class skills of their power and uniqueness.
Meanwhile, you can get stamina (while blocking) for free on a warden by pressing one button.
Yes templars are still viable in PvP but a lot less fun.
Three changes need to be made:
1. Return repentence to its initial state that has been there since launch
2. Give templars another CC, (a root would be good). Perhaps the other morph of blazing spear (since the awesome disorient was unfairly taken away) could root now. would be nice for tanks.
3. Fix all that broken tooltip stuff mention earlierEdited by Yolokin_Swagonborn on January 7, 2018 6:08PM7 -
Calrid✭✭✭whs^^^. If you want to be the best at everything or most things or so on but not sacrifice your other skills performance like damage dealing don't be a healer, play some other game where it's pay to win.WTS a rare racial motif for a price that reflects it's value, you're probably the only one without an obsession for useless cosmetic crap. Who needs style anyway when you already have it?2 -
ParaNostram✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭OP, freakin' lol. My magplar is sitting pretty and stamplars can wreck face so like nah OP, just nah"Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
Para Nostram
Bosmer Sorceress
Witch of Evermore
"Death is a privilege that can be denied by it's learned scholars."
Order of the Black Worm0 -
itsfatbass✭✭✭✭✭ParaNostram wrote: »OP, freakin' lol. My magplar is sitting pretty and stamplars can wreck face so like nah OP, just nah
Ill just leave this here...ZOS_Wrobel wrote: »@cinbri
We can add abilities to the exception list for interrupt. For example the resurrect ability doesn’t get immunity since being able to stop it is a core part of our gameplay.
@casparian
We have a fix for the bug where Puncturing Sweeps doesn’t stack correctly with damage taken bonuses. We have identified a bug with Radiant Oppression where it’s damage bonus is being calculated additively with the execute damage instead of multiplicatively.
@bohnt
Defile is a buff category so players should only be able to have 1 Minor Defile and 1 Major defile at a time. Could you provide more information on the Defile Stacking issue?
@scipionumatia
Block cost will be reduced by 20% so it will be a buff for everyone who’s not using cost reduction jewelry.
@davidj8291
We’re working on making big group battles more tactical so players focus on spreading their positioning instead of moving as 1 large ball.Edited by itsfatbass on January 7, 2018 6:19PM~PC/NA~ Magblade, Tankanist, Healplar, Stamcro, Oakensorc, Healden, Tanknight ~PLUR~1 -
ParaNostram✭✭✭✭✭
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How is the Warden conspiracy still real when they're trash in PvE and (outside of silly easy burst potential) balanced in PvP?"Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
Para Nostram
Bosmer Sorceress
Witch of Evermore
"Death is a privilege that can be denied by it's learned scholars."
Order of the Black Worm0 -
LadyLavina✭✭✭✭✭
✭eserras7b16_ESO wrote: »The class is dead. But the real question is... Why is nobody giving a ***?
I've been away from the game because I am a Templar player and I do not enjoy other classes as much and so I thought: let's not rage about it anymore, they messed it up, some months and it'll come back.
Well, it didn't happen. It is ridiculous. Nobody cares.
Thanks for reading, Goodbye.
@eserras7b16_ESO Uh...Nope?PC - NA @LadyLavina 1800+ CP PvP Tank and PvP Healer0 -
supaskrub✭✭✭✭✭NiclasFridholm wrote: »They are getting fixed next patch after 8 months of broken scaling so soon is a good time to come back!
and where did you read/hear that?... the last i heard was a "we are looking into it"and that was several months ago, not a peep since unless i missed something..Edited by supaskrub on January 7, 2018 6:30PM0 -
Goshua✭✭✭✭neal_brasier wrote: »You're joking aren't you everyone in cyrodiil seems to be a templar just spamming jabs
and perma blocking
As a result of being perma wailed on, probably something to do with out healing their glory and ap.
It makes sense to block, being labeled a spammer for doing so is normally salt.
I'm not saying their aren't bock spammers out there. The term is used too often.
edited for clarity and blunted some
Edited by Goshua on January 7, 2018 7:54PM1 -
casparian✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭NiclasFridholm wrote: »They are getting fixed next patch after 8 months of broken scaling so soon is a good time to come back!
and where did you read/hear that?... the last i heard was a "we are looking into it"and that was several months ago, not a peep since unless i missed something..
The very quote where Wrobel says it's going to be fixed in U17 has been posted three times on this page alone.Edited by casparian on January 7, 2018 6:45PM7-day PVP campaign regular 2016-2019, Flawless Conqueror. MagDK/stamplar/stamwarden/mageblade. Requiem, Legend, Knights of Daggerfall. Currently retired from the wars; waiting on performance improvements.3 -
Tanis-Stormbinder✭✭✭✭✭Best to check PTS patch notes tomorrow, with any luck the fixes jphipps85b14_ESO1 linked will be there. By the way the link was from Monthly Combat Update – December 2017 page 4 https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/386186/monthly-combat-update-december-2017Edited by Tanis-Stormbinder on January 7, 2018 6:56PM0
