DKsUnite wrote: »

Calboy wrote: »

My mdk is a beast but a nerf to block will easily nerf him into the ground.

i suspect they will rework block next patch and completely gut mDK so badly

Wouldn't affect me none. I prefer to DW personally.

Mayrael wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

The only place that a mdk does well is duels that’s it.

Open world trash
PvE trials trash

Mdk lost everything it had to be able to be good in pve and pvp the fact anyone can argue that mdk still needs nerf or calling anything OP show lack of knowledge. If all you do is duel then yes BUT THIS GAME IS NOT BALANCE AROUND DUELS.

We need buffs and big ones
Lower cost abilities
Higher dot damage
Battle roar buff

Then we can be in a better place or just revert the changes back to the housing update.

I do agree that mDK is a bit weaker than other classes but do not exaggerate, they need some tweaks here and there but in general be causios what you want as after big buff usualy ZOS do bigger nerf.

Fosilize got buffed not nerefed but its far from being op - yes my dear flamethrowers its a big buff as fosilize can be used very offensively now instead just as a gapcloser (tbh if I were over 50% hp I used to ignore it before because I knew that it will be broken by slightes fart, now you cant). MDKs need to make choices now, as we all do.
BUT FOSILIZE IS FAR FROM BEING OP. Its just a DK version of fear, but less buggy. Yes my dear hidden in shadows fellows, NBs need to deal with that they are no longer the only ones with unavoidable hard cc.

I get how it can now be used offensively, but in practice its still broken almost instantly, and so much worse against ranged. Fear also has 2 targets and maim, so i'd pick that over foss/SR any day.

Oh rly? A CC that is broken by your opponent? Unbelivable, you know what? All cc's can be broken immediately (except of fear which is buggy)! I'll give you a few tips because obviously you dont know how to use ccs:
1. First you need to drain your opponent out of stamina by rooting and ccing them as soon as their immunities are down. This disturbes their rotations and forces them to lower the presure.
2. When you see they start to save their stamina, dot them, drop meteor followed up with fosilize and push. If they had no stamina to break free they are dead. If they had stamina to break free but have no stamina to roll, they probably be dead. If they had enough stamina to break free and roll they have much less of it so guess what? Root'em and stun them and repeat.

Really, pushing your opponent is not just about your damage but also about draining their resources, burst is the last part of the fight. When you learn that, you will see that is it mag sorc, magplar or mag blade, when their stamina is gone they are gone. Even stamina toons when pushed and cced can be drained out of stam, I did that even to stam sorcs so... I hate to write it but L2P?

Don't take something out of context and act patronizing. Of course other CCs can be broken, this is in relation to the so called "buff." Since it no longer breaks on attack, but is still broken from quickly, amounting to little change in that specific area.

Sure not breaking free opens players up and cost them stamina to break free whilst you can attack them, but it also lost possible rooted time if not attacked and the range nerf in turn took worthy effect of the fossilize morph (ranged root)

Lololololol @ soooooo many comments in this thread.

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Crusades wrote: »

LTP

Lol Nerf DK
Magic DK “0” executes that’s a 0 with a Zero
Fossilize now has short range

Leap broken, sometimes decides to not leap and only pop wings out, do nothing or my fav uses ultimate but does nothing.

Get good and learn another class buddy

I got one of every class quit whining because you got ownd by a MDK

LTP dude

Daus wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Calboy wrote: »

My mdk is a beast but a nerf to block will easily nerf him into the ground.

i suspect they will rework block next patch and completely gut mDK so badly

Wouldn't affect me none. I prefer to DW personally.

That's what I'll be doing if s&b ends up getting ruined

Also tried the new fossilize out last night, first 2 enemies it was greyed out and wouldn't let me use so I immediately deslotted it.

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

I dont care what anybody says period.

YFW fossilized

MagDK is the weakest class in PvP. Better players than either of us agree with this statement. Kodi/gilliam for two.

Battle roar has been nerfed so much, according to gilliam, it is mathmatically the worst method of sustain, not to mention no other sustain passives. I think you mean "Best class passive in game (Elder dragon) yup."

Worst mobility in the game. Comparable to magplar, but they have purge for snares. Mist is *** and universal.

Forced to run block/tanky for defense. Loses a lot of damage due to this, oh, yeah, block is getting nerfed again. 6s reflect that costs 4k, lasts 6s, and is rip in 4 light attacks. (Less if you are outnumbered) The only ability with hidden terms/conditions applying. (Status effects go through, refreshing doesn't work, some abilities ignore it because reasons)

Fossilize, basically *** version of rune/fear. The root is eh since talons exists, and its 8m, marking the death of the last counter to range on DKs. Chains+wings buggy af. All this amounts to low (2nd worst) PvP utility too. Other classes have versions of talons/fossilize, group healing etc thats just better. Note: Worst group utility is a StamDK.

Lol bring em !!

The only place they excel is PvE zone duels, in openworld they can be walked away from at a brisk pace. L2W? Since in PvE duels they can force opponents to stay near and feed them DOTs. So, what is OP about them that other classes cannot compare to, the ball is in your court. Or are you going to stick your fingers in your ears (This is text, so eyes?) and quote line one again?

BONUS ROUND: Low PvE DPS too. Just above warden and tied with magplar (Scaling issues.) with the added bonus of being the number one cause of hair loss off balance loss.

Magdk is the worse pvp class in the game?? Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah...

1 resource passive that REQUIRES an ultimate use, which means we have to decide wether to use ults to kill or just maintain resources. How ass is that

No mobility whatsoever

No access to any execute

5 -8 meter max range of all skills, which we have to waddle to whoever is our oppenent to use them. if you say chains you are absolutely mentally ill lmao.

We have no means of defense beyond a single passive for 10% damage block increase. which is why we have been relagated to block casting because WE HAVE NOTHING ELSE.

Fossilize just happens to ONE actually functioning SiNGLE TARGET SKILL AT EIGHT METERS...Which was then GIVEN TO SORCS FOR 40 ASS METERS

You sir have no clue what you are talking about

If you think your magdk is that bad the l2p all I have to say.

@Calboy that's a buff, you can't waste resources by using it on an enemy with CC immunity. They prob had Immovable potions going

Smmokkee wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

First of all the weakest class in the game is stamdk in PvP. Stamwarden outclasses stamplar/sorc/dk by far.
Fozilize got a nerf last patch as DK did in any patch the last year and a half. Is it great in pve? Yeah but PvP wise it sucks.
Fozilize had a range of 20 m and did the same thing undodgeable/unblockable cc that roots you after the cc is removed. In conjunction with how dk plays it doesn't matter in the cc is a hard or soft cc. You have to cc break it as fast as possible then you need to block and then dodge that's 3 ways of stamina drain. If you played magdk you know that you won't kill magsorcs, magplars, magnbs and magwarden they simply purge your dots or survive by healing/ shielding through your damage so you can only kill them if they are out of stamina meaning they can't cc break, block and dodge.
Against stamina build magdk have an easier time as they only have to surpass vigor healing with their dots, wait for them to use Rally burst and then try to kill them fast enough.

Still only stamplar/stamdk have huge problens against magdk stamplar loses 2-2.5 k health everytime they use jabs against spiked armor with no way of countering block you can't kill the magdk while having huge problems of surviving against them. Stamdk is an overall weak version of magdk and can't do anything magdk couldn't do better.

Stamwarden and stamnb have an easy fight against magdk. With the healing a stamwarden has all dots can be ignored and killing a stamwarden with only whip and leap is almost impossible while heal debuff, shalks and burst combo will worn down a magdk.
Stamnb is broken as hell atm. Incap is broken it needs stun removed and the damage increase reduced to 4 seconds. If you die in stamnb it's 100% a skill issue nb has everything you can wish for. Incap is the best ult in the game and needs more that just a slight nerf. The damage potential is high enough to engage, hope that the enemy can't break the bugged incap cc and kill heavy armor targets in 2-4 seconds. If it fails your mobility will save you and cloak will make sure that many skills won't hit you mix it with dodge and shuffle and vigor + leeching strikes + rally are enough to keep you a live as long as you want.

If you say fozilize is op you have no idea about rune cage. Meteor, frags, curse mages fury in the same second with no available counterplay is enough to kill almost any player below 24k health or 28k if running light armor.
I play all classes atm and i'm playing with and against the top PvP players in PC EU and there is no one saying DK is anywhere near being op. No Stamnb, magsorc and stamwarden are the classes which are op atm while stamsorc, stamdk and for a lesser extent stamplar are the weakest classes in the game atm

What are you talking about dude nightblades are broken as ***. Maybe Ill use my image to get away.. oh yeah bugged.. how about cloak? Unfunctional. Siphoning attacks will help me though? Garbage ability. If you are a magdk and you lose to a stamnb then you are garbage. Such an easy fight for a magdk. Stamnbs have been getting gutted for years. Magdks have so much damage and survivability its disgusting.

Also incap op? Lol dude get real that gets nerfed nbs are dead.

I've been playing stamnb for 3 years now. If you die on a stamnb in any 1v1 against an Opponent that is not using mark or Soul trap you are a crappy Player.
if you can't kill your enemy on a stamblade you are either too bad to talk about Balance or your Opponent is a full tank who won't die because he is in fact a full tank.
Stamnb has the easiest and strongest single target burst Combo combined with any necessary damage buff you could ask for.
Will gives you 8% more damage, master assassin gives you 10% wpn dmg from stealh or cloak, incap increases your damage by 20% for 6 seconds while applying Major defile on your enemy, suprise attack gives you another 8% damage boost with Major fracture, ambush gives you empower for your next attack (incap), fear goes through block and applies minor maim and is bugged as hell jsut as incap.Will is the srongest non ult ability in the game if you are doing it right you can deal 35k damage against heavy armor Targets with ease.

you start with ambush from cloak into incap if you know stamnb you know that ambush won't break cloak meaning you get the empower on incap and 10% weapondamage. Incap deals between 8-11 k depending on your target, Suprise attack afterwards does 7-9k with ease, will after incap deals 10-14k against any build that is not blocking or has Major protection up. Now lets do some math
ambush ~4k
Incap~8k
SA~7k
Will~11k
2 light attack weaves~4k
mix in selene and you are looking at 40k+ damage
=34k damage in 3 gcd of fight
and afterwards your target has 30% less healing while you still deal 20% more damage to him for another 3 gcd.

yes an enemy can cc break after incap but only if the cc isn't bugged which happens 3/5 times you get hit by incap and then they have to use 1 gcd Minimum to Play defensively to survive meaining they won't pressure you at all with cloak you can easily disengage, 1 light attack gives you 27 ult with a potion you are at 47 ult, with one bow light attack you are back at 70 ult again to use incap again, if you kill your Opponent with incap one additional tick of ult is enough to replenish incap with the asylum 2h you can chain incaps, i had more than one fight where i killed 3 People in 8 seconds and each of them got hit by incap.

Incap is unbalance belive it or not but it is.
Low cost, undodgeable when latency is above 120 ms (@DDuke tested it), one of the most Buggy ccs in the game with drain essence and fear, applies Major defile and a 20% damage buff Combine that with a class that can disengage at will and you have a broken mechanic.
Incap Needs 3 Things to be Balance again: Cost increase to 100, removal of the cc and reduction of Major defile and damage taken debuff to 4 seconds.

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

lappas wrote: »

They are the best class 1v1 hands down.

Go get any mag dk, and put him up against a Mag sorc of equal level with pets and mines


50,000 gold says the sorc will win

Honestly haven't seen a sorc pet build in a duel in ages

Sixty5 wrote: »

Huh, hadn't noticed how OP they were, probably because no one ever plays them

Please OP, continue on about how the class is broken OP, you might get some metamancers to switch off of Stam Warden, and PVP will become more bearable.

On my Stamblade, I'd take a Stam Warden over a Mag DK any time. Between fighting 2 Dizzy Swing spammers who probably won't even get 2 hits off on me and fighting 2 root spammers that put DoTs on you and hit you with undodgeable whips... Yeah the choice is made pretty quickly.

I don't think there's anything 'OP' about DK's anymore.

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

Huh, hadn't noticed how OP they were, probably because no one ever plays them

Please OP, continue on about how the class is broken OP, you might get some metamancers to switch off of Stam Warden, and PVP will become more bearable.

On my Stamblade, I'd take a Stam Warden over a Mag DK any time. Between fighting 2 Dizzy Swing spammers who probably won't even get 2 hits off on me and fighting 2 root spammers that put DoTs on you and hit you with undodgeable whips... Yeah the choice is made pretty quickly.

Whips are dodgeable so.....what were you lying again?

Power lash is undodgeable, normal whip is dodgeable

Calboy wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Calboy wrote: »

My mdk is a beast but a nerf to block will easily nerf him into the ground.

i suspect they will rework block next patch and completely gut mDK so badly

Wouldn't affect me none. I prefer to DW personally.

That's what I'll be doing if s&b ends up getting ruined

Also tried the new fossilize out last night, first 2 enemies it was greyed out and wouldn't let me use so I immediately deslotted it.

I friggin love it man. I run 5 Shackle, 5 Rattlecage, 1 Pirate Skeleton, and 1 Chuden. Great on resources, Survivability, and damage. 5 light, 2 heavy.

Also fossilize goes by the name of "Rune Cage" now. What we have now as a magDK is just a crappy version. Try using Stone Fist. It combos great with flame lash.

Magicka DK are amazing in 1v1 against some classes. They're crap against Stamina/Magicka Templar (Purify and unblockable attacks) and have a tough time with even Magicka NB, Sorcerer (shield stack) and Stam Warden (unblockable attack).

I still struggle against Stam DK's on my mDK. I can destroy them on my Magblade.

Classes have counter classes. All PvP games are like this.