Just like to point out that those of you who bothered to write out coherent arguments, both in support and against, I appreciate you and have dutifully considered your posts. Those of you stuck on simple "It's an mmo", "go play a singleplayer game" and "I can be soooo salty, look at me" posts as rebuttals, you may all suck on expired Kwama eggs.

WHY DOES ZOS HAVE FORCED SOLOING TO GET VMA ACHIEVEMENTS AND WEAPONS DURING THE ORSINIUM ANNIVERSARY EVENT?

I should be able to do everything grouped!

That's how some people are seeing the original post hence the reactions.

Bottom line is that ZOS can place events wherever they want. In PvE, PvP, solo instances, group instances, etc., and players can *choose* which events to participate in. You are only entitled to what you are willing and able to accomplish. If running one dungeon is too much for you, then you have made your choice. That's cool. Just skip it. I can't run vMA so I don't do the double drop runs. *shrug*

If you want to see forced grouping, play FFXIV, because you have to regularly do dungeons and trials to move forward in the main story. Random dungeons are optional in ESO. Group events and contests in ESO are optional. Exercise that option as you see fit.

Twohothardware wrote: »

This post doesn't even make sense lol. You do know how the Dungeon finder works right? You don't need to have a group. You queue solo and it puts you with 3 other players. If you don't want to play with other people then don't have to. You just don't get a reward during the event for running Dungeons. Pretty simple.

No, no, zhe doesn't want to ever have to do anything with other players. Always solo. I can respect that, but it doesn't mean ZOS has to make every event open to people with such a preference.

Davor wrote: »

Stovahkiin wrote: »

Zorvan wrote: »

“We don’t even use the term MMO with The Elder Scrolls Online anymore, because really it’s not,” game director Matt Firor says. “MMO was a term coined in 1997 with Ultima Online, EverQuest, and Dark Age of Camelot – we are not that game.”

https://www.pcgamesn.com/the-elder-scrolls-online-tamriel-unlimited/the-elder-scrolls-online-MMORPG

Go look at the basic definition of MMO...

M - Massively
M - Multiplayer
O - Online

ESO is, arguably, massive.
ESO is obviously multiplayer..
ESO is online....

To be frank, Firor was pulling crap out of thin air when he said that.

D - Download
L - Load
C - Content.

Morrowind doesn't equal DLC? Yes I know off topic, but since this is Zenimax and we are going to go by your terminology to defend Zenimax, only fair.

Just because something is Massively Mulitplayer Online doesn't mean it has to be. Heck if even 25% or even 1 % play the game as a single player experience then it's not 100% Multiplayer. Doesn't Multiplayer mean working with other people? So we can see that Elder Scrolls Online can also be a single player game that requires online connection. So Elder Scrolls Online is NOT a true MMO then going by your definition.

It *is* multiplayer, regardless of how you play. If you’re questing by yourself, there are still other players running around you. Multiplayer. Therefore, the definition stands.

I'm pretty sure they're stress-testing the Finder tool and looking for abnormalities in the process that need fixed/tweaked/patched. So they get to compile a substantial amount of data on their end, and we get compensated for any headaches that may occur during the event.

Gina already said that receiving rewards we already have won't be an issue, so it's going to be worth it to mob through normal with as many characters as you can. I'd just spec any experimental builds beforehand to something that either hits hard or heals hard. Because, at least on normal, all the tanks are going to be damage dealers, and most of the healers are going to be damage dealers...

Zorvan wrote: »

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/10millionstories

Event is live from Nov. 30 at 10 a.m. EST until Dec. 6 at 10 a.m. EST. Complete a random dungeon via the Dungeon Finder – Normal or Veteran mode – to earn a Mysterious Reward Box. This curious cache could contain loads of awesome in-game rewards: consumables, pets, costumes, and even a massive collection of super rare mounts and houses. You can obtain a Mysterious Reward Box once per day per character.

You know the majority of your players solo, right?

@ZOS_GinaBruno

you realize your precious solo game will have no players soon you ding *** never stay around anyway. you complain about the people who actually play MMO's while playing aMMO. here is your solo game its ever damn zone in the game no go play the other 99% of the game . i really hope development teams learn there lesson from listening to you fol;ks . id rather have a smaller population that stuck with the game 3 or more years then have a larger churn population of cry babies.

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Zorvan wrote: »

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/10millionstories

Event is live from Nov. 30 at 10 a.m. EST until Dec. 6 at 10 a.m. EST. Complete a random dungeon via the Dungeon Finder – Normal or Veteran mode – to earn a Mysterious Reward Box. This curious cache could contain loads of awesome in-game rewards: consumables, pets, costumes, and even a massive collection of super rare mounts and houses. You can obtain a Mysterious Reward Box once per day per character.

You know the majority of your players solo, right?

@ZOS_GinaBruno

you realize your precious solo game will have no players soon you ding *** never stay around anyway. you complain about the people who actually play MMO's while playing aMMO. here is your solo game its ever damn zone in the game no go play the other 99% of the game . i really hope development teams learn there lesson from listening to you fol;ks . id rather have a smaller population that stuck with the game 3 or more years then have a larger churn population of cry babies.

Y'know, this is pretty much a fallacy. ALL the solo/duo folks I have known over the years tend to stick with an MMO much longer than the competitive sorts (who, reasonably, run out of content that keeps them happy pretty quickly). I've been playing this game since it released. My guild has too, in the main.

I don't know where folks get the idea that soloers "never stay around". My experiences since 1999 indicate almost entirely the opposite.

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

Oh nooooo, being encouraged to *gasp* interact with other players, in an MMO! The humanity!

Give me a break.

Devil's Advocate here...

You can interact with other players without grouping up, y'know. Happens a lot at anchors, in guilds or just out in the wilds. People interact without the need to group.

Also the MMO simply means "a lot of people playing in the same world simultaneously". It was coined to differentiate from older games where there was a rather small, finite number who could be in the same "world". It never has meant "must group" although there were a couple MMOs who tried to define it as such. They learned that grouping is all well and good but that there is a rather large market for solo/duo. There is a need for both in a good MMO, no doubt.

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

Oh nooooo, being encouraged to *gasp* interact with other players, in an MMO! The humanity!

Give me a break.

when was the last time you did a random dungeon pug, especially on normal which is what typically solo players are more likely to stick to? as long as things are mostly going smoothly either no one talks at all, occasionally someone might mention that they are doing the first time quest and that's about it. of course when things are NOT going smoothly - the grumbling starts (not my first choice) and a lot of times, there isn't even a grumbling, just a silent sudden kick popup.

oh yes, interacting with other players indeed.


granted every once in a while, when you do enough of those, you actualy "gasp" run into people who say hello and even might say a few things beyond that O_O . but for the most part - pugging is a very lonely silent affair.

Zorvan wrote: »

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/10millionstories

Event is live from Nov. 30 at 10 a.m. EST until Dec. 6 at 10 a.m. EST. Complete a random dungeon via the Dungeon Finder – Normal or Veteran mode – to earn a Mysterious Reward Box. This curious cache could contain loads of awesome in-game rewards: consumables, pets, costumes, and even a massive collection of super rare mounts and houses. You can obtain a Mysterious Reward Box once per day per character.

You know the majority of your players solo, right?

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Well that's the whole point, to encourage people to not be antisocial worms for once and get together and do something social for a change, even if it is just in a videogame. God forbid you might need to start a dialogue with a real person.

Slack wrote: »

Is there some Dps afraid to feel busted in a dungeon?
You might just run normal and be done within a few minutes.

Anyway, if you hate having to deal with other people, play skyrim

Put down the strawman and step away!

Just because some folk prefer to solo doesn't mean they "hate dealing with other people" (although there ARE days like that...yup).

There are numerous other reasons where solo play is their best option.

Davor wrote: »

So why not have options where just 4 people can get together and just have fun and not worry about being in a group and someone getting upset because the other people are not what they say they are or what other people expect what others should do?

Maybe let us que up where we all play the game single player and let us play together that way?

Davor

Because some content such a group dungeons are meant for groups and are tuned to having the trinity of tank, healer, and damage dealers, so the group finder sorts people according to the role they have chosen. Some experienced players may have a hybrid tank-dd and healer-dd and two pure dd, but they still queue by role. You can pre-make a group before going into the group finder so you won't be paired with random people. You can of course go solo into a dungeon and beat it if it is easy enough and you are good enough.

So...

• Public dungeons are open to anyone and don't require groups so solo players can be near each other and work together without being in a party
• None of the overland quests or alliance quest chains or the main story questline require groups but for most others can run over and help
• World bosses don't require groups, and solo players can again be near each other and work together without being in a party
• Cyrodiil is the same as the other examples above
• Maelstrom Arena can only be solo, no grouping allowed

That is *most* of the content in the game that can or must be done without being in a group. Hence most events held do not require a group to participate in.

Groups are only required for:

• Group dungeons
• Trials
• Dragonstar Arena
• Battlegrounds

That's it. So if an event is tied to one of these things, it requires some kind of grouping.

Event choices are based on what ZOS wants to test or to promote. Many people who are upset about PvP events complain but then find they like it. Same for other event types. If some people don't want to even try a type of activity, that's OK, but ZOS has many options and it makes sense that they offer rewards and give incentives to players to try those options.

lol. It's saying to queue for a random dungeon. If you can't do a dungeon you aren't even playing the game.