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Why are you locking an event behind forced grouping?
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You know the majority of your players solo, right?
@ZOS_GinaBruno
Its an mmo for gods sake. Dont expect to get everything by being antisocial! Yeesh.
Guess what? MMO doesn't mean forced grouping, it just means other people are in the same world as you. Also, again, most players in ESO solo.
He has a point.
But what does that point have to do with whether an event is in a group dungeon?
ZOS has lots of content types and events for those different types. This is the same as PvP-only players upset at PvE events, PvE players upset at PvP events, and so on. If you don't want to try something different, skip the event. I am sitting out the Orsinium event currently going on because farming mats isn't of interest and I can't do vMA. No big deal. I'll wait for the next event.❤Experienced, new, returner?❤ Help keep ESO's community strong ᕙ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ᕗ -- share what you love about the game, offer constructive feedback, and make friends.ʕ·ᴥ·ʔ
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You know the majority of your players solo, right?
@ZOS_GinaBruno
Its an mmo for gods sake. Dont expect to get everything by being antisocial! Yeesh.
Guess what? MMO doesn't mean forced grouping, it just means other people are in the same world as you. Also, again, most players in ESO solo.
He has a point.
He really doesn't. There's no hard evidence that most players solo, its just his opinion. A biased opinion at that.
He does have a point, but it's lost any credibility due to his bias.
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vrine✭✭✭✭✭The_Smilemeister wrote: »https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/10millionstoriesEvent is live from Nov. 30 at 10 a.m. EST until Dec. 6 at 10 a.m. EST. Complete a random dungeon via the Dungeon Finder – Normal or Veteran mode – to earn a Mysterious Reward Box. This curious cache could contain loads of awesome in-game rewards: consumables, pets, costumes, and even a massive collection of super rare mounts and houses. You can obtain a Mysterious Reward Box once per day per character.
You know the majority of your players solo, right?
@ZOS_GinaBruno
Its an mmo for gods sake. Dont expect to get everything by being antisocial! Yeesh.
Guess what? MMO doesn't mean forced grouping, it just means other people are in the same world as you. Also, again, most players in ESO solo.
He has a point.
He really doesn't. There's no hard evidence that most players solo, its just his opinion. A biased opinion at that.
He does have a point, but it's lost any credibility due to his bias.
No credibility = no point in my books!@vrine
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✭✭✭✭✭The_Smilemeister wrote: »https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/10millionstoriesEvent is live from Nov. 30 at 10 a.m. EST until Dec. 6 at 10 a.m. EST. Complete a random dungeon via the Dungeon Finder – Normal or Veteran mode – to earn a Mysterious Reward Box. This curious cache could contain loads of awesome in-game rewards: consumables, pets, costumes, and even a massive collection of super rare mounts and houses. You can obtain a Mysterious Reward Box once per day per character.
You know the majority of your players solo, right?
@ZOS_GinaBruno
Its an mmo for gods sake. Dont expect to get everything by being antisocial! Yeesh.
Guess what? MMO doesn't mean forced grouping, it just means other people are in the same world as you. Also, again, most players in ESO solo.
He has a point.
He really doesn't. There's no hard evidence that most players solo, its just his opinion. A biased opinion at that.
He does have a point, but it's lost any credibility due to his bias.
No credibility = no point in my books!
The Credibility can come from supporting evidence to his claim, mainly other parties that agree with his claim. Like myself. If the OP also made a poll asking how many of us prefer to Solo the game I have no doubt there'd be a majority. How many people on the forum already go into difficulty threads and say "I solo Group Dungeons all the time git gud scrub."
Fact is the "Massively Multiplayer" in MMO only means there are other people playing around you in the game world, but when it comes to the game itself the mechanics doesn't force everyone to interact with everyone else. And even if there may be a lot of big Social Guilds, I doubt people log into the game only when they know they'll have others to group with immediately.
Honestly all the OP did was claim most people play solo, which, technically, is true outside of organized Trial Groups which take time to bring together, or any PuG that only exists in certain situations like a Daily Undaunted or Cyrodiil.CP2,000 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - The Clan
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vrine✭✭✭✭✭The_Smilemeister wrote: »https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/10millionstoriesEvent is live from Nov. 30 at 10 a.m. EST until Dec. 6 at 10 a.m. EST. Complete a random dungeon via the Dungeon Finder – Normal or Veteran mode – to earn a Mysterious Reward Box. This curious cache could contain loads of awesome in-game rewards: consumables, pets, costumes, and even a massive collection of super rare mounts and houses. You can obtain a Mysterious Reward Box once per day per character.
You know the majority of your players solo, right?
@ZOS_GinaBruno
Its an mmo for gods sake. Dont expect to get everything by being antisocial! Yeesh.
Guess what? MMO doesn't mean forced grouping, it just means other people are in the same world as you. Also, again, most players in ESO solo.
He has a point.
He really doesn't. There's no hard evidence that most players solo, its just his opinion. A biased opinion at that.
He does have a point, but it's lost any credibility due to his bias.
No credibility = no point in my books!
The Credibility can come from supporting evidence to his claim, mainly other parties that agree with his claim. Like myself. If the OP also made a poll asking how many of us prefer to Solo the game I have no doubt there'd be a majority. How many people on the forum already go into difficulty threads and say "I solo Group Dungeons all the time git gud scrub."
Fact is the "Massively Multiplayer" in MMO only means there are other people playing around you in the game world, but when it comes to the game itself the mechanics doesn't force everyone to interact with everyone else. And even if there may be a lot of big Social Guilds, I doubt people log into the game only when they know they'll have others to group with immediately.
Honestly all the OP did was claim most people play solo, which, technically, is true outside of organized Trial Groups which take time to bring together, or any PuG that only exists in certain situations like a Daily Undaunted or Cyrodiil.
Yet again, there's no evidence that most players play solo except the opinions of solo players. And that's not really evidence.
As you can see on the front page, most people disagree (see the 'agrees' on one of the first comments disagreeing with him) with him, and only a handful agree.
There's a lot of confirmation bias going on here.@vrine
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✭✭✭✭✭AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »OP claims most people solo. Gets 13 likes. Second poster accurately points out eso is an mmo. Gets 52 likes. Seems like OP has fallen prey to false consensus bias.
Considering there are solo players chiming in to disagree with him, I wouldn't use the ratio of likes to show how many people play solo. /shrug3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The_Smilemeister wrote: »https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/10millionstoriesEvent is live from Nov. 30 at 10 a.m. EST until Dec. 6 at 10 a.m. EST. Complete a random dungeon via the Dungeon Finder – Normal or Veteran mode – to earn a Mysterious Reward Box. This curious cache could contain loads of awesome in-game rewards: consumables, pets, costumes, and even a massive collection of super rare mounts and houses. You can obtain a Mysterious Reward Box once per day per character.
You know the majority of your players solo, right?
@ZOS_GinaBruno
Its an mmo for gods sake. Dont expect to get everything by being antisocial! Yeesh.
Guess what? MMO doesn't mean forced grouping, it just means other people are in the same world as you. Also, again, most players in ESO solo.
He has a point.
He really doesn't. There's no hard evidence that most players solo, its just his opinion. A biased opinion at that.
He does have a point, but it's lost any credibility due to his bias.
No credibility = no point in my books!
The Credibility can come from supporting evidence to his claim, mainly other parties that agree with his claim. Like myself. If the OP also made a poll asking how many of us prefer to Solo the game I have no doubt there'd be a majority. How many people on the forum already go into difficulty threads and say "I solo Group Dungeons all the time git gud scrub."
Fact is the "Massively Multiplayer" in MMO only means there are other people playing around you in the game world, but when it comes to the game itself the mechanics doesn't force everyone to interact with everyone else. And even if there may be a lot of big Social Guilds, I doubt people log into the game only when they know they'll have others to group with immediately.
Honestly all the OP did was claim most people play solo, which, technically, is true outside of organized Trial Groups which take time to bring together, or any PuG that only exists in certain situations like a Daily Undaunted or Cyrodiil.
Yet again, there's no evidence that most players play solo except the opinions of solo players. And that's not really evidence.
As you can see on the front page, most people disagree (see the 'agrees' on one of the first comments disagreeing with him) with him, and only a handful agree.
There's a lot of confirmation bias going on here.
From my time on this forum I know one thing. People on here absolutely love to jump into a mob mentality and jump down someone's throat. The OP made a general claim in short without providing any additional explanation to back up his claim. I won't deny that's like throwing yourself in front of a starving Bear. If the OP were worded differently and more thoroughly, and possibly more neutral but still holding the displeasure toward the claimed issue, I'm sure the reactions in this thread would've been vastly different.Edited by ArchMikem on November 20, 2017 2:22AMCP2,000 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - The Clan
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Truth. I sometimes hate politely disagreeing on these forums because it sometimes seems like piling on. It doesn't matter what it is, either. It can happen over the most innocuous and friendly of topics.From my time on this forum I know on thing. People on here absolutely love to jump into a mob mentality and jump down someone's throat.
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You know the majority of your players solo, right?
@ZOS_GinaBruno
Its an mmo for gods sake. Dont expect to get everything by being antisocial! Yeesh.
Guess what? MMO doesn't mean forced grouping, it just means other people are in the same world as you. Also, again, most players in ESO solo.
He has a point.
He really doesn't. There's no hard evidence that most players solo, its just his opinion. A biased opinion at that.
He does have a point, but it's lost any credibility due to his bias.
No credibility = no point in my books!
The Credibility can come from supporting evidence to his claim, mainly other parties that agree with his claim. Like myself. If the OP also made a poll asking how many of us prefer to Solo the game I have no doubt there'd be a majority. How many people on the forum already go into difficulty threads and say "I solo Group Dungeons all the time git gud scrub."
Fact is the "Massively Multiplayer" in MMO only means there are other people playing around you in the game world, but when it comes to the game itself the mechanics doesn't force everyone to interact with everyone else. And even if there may be a lot of big Social Guilds, I doubt people log into the game only when they know they'll have others to group with immediately.
Honestly all the OP did was claim most people play solo, which, technically, is true outside of organized Trial Groups which take time to bring together, or any PuG that only exists in certain situations like a Daily Undaunted or Cyrodiil.
Yet again, there's no evidence that most players play solo except the opinions of solo players. And that's not really evidence.
As you can see on the front page, most people disagree (see the 'agrees' on one of the first comments disagreeing with him) with him, and only a handful agree.
There's a lot of confirmation bias going on here.
From my time on this forum I know one thing. People on here absolutely love to jump into a mob mentality and jump down someone's throat. The OP made a general claim in short without providing any additional explanation to back up his claim. I won't deny that's like throwing yourself in front of a starving Bear. If the OP were worded differently and more thoroughly, and possibly more neutral but still holding the displeasure toward the claimed issue, I'm sure the reactions in this thread would've been vastly different.
Genuinely agree.@vrine
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✭✭The_Smilemeister wrote: »https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/10millionstoriesEvent is live from Nov. 30 at 10 a.m. EST until Dec. 6 at 10 a.m. EST. Complete a random dungeon via the Dungeon Finder – Normal or Veteran mode – to earn a Mysterious Reward Box. This curious cache could contain loads of awesome in-game rewards: consumables, pets, costumes, and even a massive collection of super rare mounts and houses. You can obtain a Mysterious Reward Box once per day per character.
You know the majority of your players solo, right?
@ZOS_GinaBruno
Its an mmo for gods sake. Dont expect to get everything by being antisocial! Yeesh.
Guess what? MMO doesn't mean forced grouping, it just means other people are in the same world as you. Also, again, most players in ESO solo.
He has a point.
He really doesn't. There's no hard evidence that most players solo, its just his opinion. A biased opinion at that.
He does have a point, but it's lost any credibility due to his bias.
No credibility = no point in my books!
The Credibility can come from supporting evidence to his claim, mainly other parties that agree with his claim. Like myself. If the OP also made a poll asking how many of us prefer to Solo the game I have no doubt there'd be a majority. How many people on the forum already go into difficulty threads and say "I solo Group Dungeons all the time git gud scrub."
Fact is the "Massively Multiplayer" in MMO only means there are other people playing around you in the game world, but when it comes to the game itself the mechanics doesn't force everyone to interact with everyone else. And even if there may be a lot of big Social Guilds, I doubt people log into the game only when they know they'll have others to group with immediately.
Honestly all the OP did was claim most people play solo, which, technically, is true outside of organized Trial Groups which take time to bring together, or any PuG that only exists in certain situations like a Daily Undaunted or Cyrodiil.
Yet again, there's no evidence that most players play solo except the opinions of solo players. And that's not really evidence.
As you can see on the front page, most people disagree (see the 'agrees' on one of the first comments disagreeing with him) with him, and only a handful agree.
There's a lot of confirmation bias going on here.
From my time on this forum I know one thing. People on here absolutely love to jump into a mob mentality and jump down someone's throat. The OP made a general claim in short without providing any additional explanation to back up his claim. I won't deny that's like throwing yourself in front of a starving Bear. If the OP were worded differently and more thoroughly, and possibly more neutral but still holding the displeasure toward the claimed issue, I'm sure the reactions in this thread would've been vastly different.
Genuinely agree.
It wouldn't have been different, forum players are rarely going to be the solo only type. So in their opinion the game is mostly group based and therefore he is wrong.
Also, he is wrong.0 -
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Why not?SydneyGrey wrote: »
Holy crap please don't encourage people to do group dungeons when they're only level 10. They won't have any passives unlocked, and won't have any of their skills maxed or even morphed at that point. They'd just end up being a useless carry for everyone else in the dungeon.phileunderx2 wrote: »Easy way to do this is roll a new character. Get them to level 10 .make a healer or tank. Que for random. This way you will get all easy dungeons . Even better if you have cp to give your baby character.
I solo all normal dungeons easy (unless they have a mechanic preventing that) and i have carried low level players through some of those without any issues.
So a level 10 queuing for a normal random shouldn't be a problem at all ...
well then, get ready for lots and lots of lvl 10s in dungeons. one of them will even be mine. because I can no longer stomach questing with a non maxed horse, she hasn't done anything outside of logging in once a day to do basic crafting writs and feeding her horse. she was originally going to skip group things until I got her some more abilities, but... ZoS added this event.The 'solo' part of this community is so toxic. Pretty sure ESO is sold as a mmo, otherwise its be just another skyrim, no servers needed. Install and play with yourself in the corner sort of game.
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Agree 100%, the level of toxicity among the 'solo players' or 'purely solo questers' is truly laughable.
They hate PvPers because PvPers are good at the game, and they hate veteran level PvEers because they're anti social. The mindset is just ridiculously toxic/off-putting.
no dear. they hate certain pvpers because apparently their idea of pvp involves camping some poor hapless pve player just trying to finish their fishing achievement, and they hate certain elitist pve veterans because those veterans insult them for using the "wrong" morph or the "wrong" weapon and gatekeep them from doing dungeons with statements like "you should be doing at least 20k dps... in a normal dungeon, and kicking them if they don't. despite the fact that aforementioned dungeon can be soloed with half that dps while barely breaking a sweat. how DARE they extend this dungeon run by a whole 5 minutes because they are to casual to keep up with the latest theorycrafting trends and didn't switch to the new meta..... those dumb scrubs...
the mindset of certain pvp/pve contingent IS toxic.. in that it drives people from content and eventually from the game.dirty worthless casual.
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Yup. +100the mindset of certain pvp/pve contingent IS toxic.. in that it drives people from content and eventually from the game.
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Why not?SydneyGrey wrote: »
Holy crap please don't encourage people to do group dungeons when they're only level 10. They won't have any passives unlocked, and won't have any of their skills maxed or even morphed at that point. They'd just end up being a useless carry for everyone else in the dungeon.phileunderx2 wrote: »Easy way to do this is roll a new character. Get them to level 10 .make a healer or tank. Que for random. This way you will get all easy dungeons . Even better if you have cp to give your baby character.
I solo all normal dungeons easy (unless they have a mechanic preventing that) and i have carried low level players through some of those without any issues.
So a level 10 queuing for a normal random shouldn't be a problem at all ...
well then, get ready for lots and lots of lvl 10s in dungeons. one of them will even be mine. because I can no longer stomach questing with a non maxed horse, she hasn't done anything outside of logging in once a day to do basic crafting writs and feeding her horse. she was originally going to skip group things until I got her some more abilities, but... ZoS added this event.The 'solo' part of this community is so toxic. Pretty sure ESO is sold as a mmo, otherwise its be just another skyrim, no servers needed. Install and play with yourself in the corner sort of game.
Definition repeated before this post
M - massive
M - multiplayer
O - online
Agree 100%, the level of toxicity among the 'solo players' or 'purely solo questers' is truly laughable.
They hate PvPers because PvPers are good at the game, and they hate veteran level PvEers because they're anti social. The mindset is just ridiculously toxic/off-putting.
no dear. they hate certain pvpers because apparently their idea of pvp involves camping some poor hapless pve player just trying to finish their fishing achievement, and they hate certain elitist pve veterans because those veterans insult them for using the "wrong" morph or the "wrong" weapon and gatekeep them from doing dungeons with statements like "you should be doing at least 20k dps... in a normal dungeon, and kicking them if they don't. despite the fact that aforementioned dungeon can be soloed with half that dps while barely breaking a sweat. how DARE they extend this dungeon run by a whole 5 minutes because they are to casual to keep up with the latest theorycrafting trends and didn't switch to the new meta..... those dumb scrubs...
the mindset of certain pvp/pve contingent IS toxic.. in that it drives people from content and eventually from the game.
nah what I'm saying is they hate PvPers because the PvPers are the ones who are good at the game. On average PvPers are the best people at the game, PvP is harder and most of us have already achieved a lot in PvE world and that gear is also useful in PvP.
The reason you know they hate PvPers because they're good, is that they don't PvP themselves. If they were good, they would do it but they're not good enough, so instead just resort to hating on PvPers because they can't compete. This happens all the time in game, and it even happens in PvE. They will hate skilled PvEers either out of jealously or because they feel like the experienced person is telling them what to do.1 -
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Why not?SydneyGrey wrote: »
Holy crap please don't encourage people to do group dungeons when they're only level 10. They won't have any passives unlocked, and won't have any of their skills maxed or even morphed at that point. They'd just end up being a useless carry for everyone else in the dungeon.phileunderx2 wrote: »Easy way to do this is roll a new character. Get them to level 10 .make a healer or tank. Que for random. This way you will get all easy dungeons . Even better if you have cp to give your baby character.
I solo all normal dungeons easy (unless they have a mechanic preventing that) and i have carried low level players through some of those without any issues.
So a level 10 queuing for a normal random shouldn't be a problem at all ...
well then, get ready for lots and lots of lvl 10s in dungeons. one of them will even be mine. because I can no longer stomach questing with a non maxed horse, she hasn't done anything outside of logging in once a day to do basic crafting writs and feeding her horse. she was originally going to skip group things until I got her some more abilities, but... ZoS added this event.The 'solo' part of this community is so toxic. Pretty sure ESO is sold as a mmo, otherwise its be just another skyrim, no servers needed. Install and play with yourself in the corner sort of game.
Definition repeated before this post
M - massive
M - multiplayer
O - online
Agree 100%, the level of toxicity among the 'solo players' or 'purely solo questers' is truly laughable.
They hate PvPers because PvPers are good at the game, and they hate veteran level PvEers because they're anti social. The mindset is just ridiculously toxic/off-putting.
no dear. they hate certain pvpers because apparently their idea of pvp involves camping some poor hapless pve player just trying to finish their fishing achievement, and they hate certain elitist pve veterans because those veterans insult them for using the "wrong" morph or the "wrong" weapon and gatekeep them from doing dungeons with statements like "you should be doing at least 20k dps... in a normal dungeon, and kicking them if they don't. despite the fact that aforementioned dungeon can be soloed with half that dps while barely breaking a sweat. how DARE they extend this dungeon run by a whole 5 minutes because they are to casual to keep up with the latest theorycrafting trends and didn't switch to the new meta..... those dumb scrubs...
the mindset of certain pvp/pve contingent IS toxic.. in that it drives people from content and eventually from the game.
nah what I'm saying is they hate PvPers because the PvPers are the ones who are good at the game. On average PvPers are the best people at the game, PvP is harder and most of us have already achieved a lot in PvE world and that gear is also useful in PvP.
The reason you know they hate PvPers because they're good, is that they don't PvP themselves. If they were good, they would do it but they're not good enough, so instead just resort to hating on PvPers because they can't compete. This happens all the time in game, and it even happens in PvE. They will hate skilled PvEers either out of jealously or because they feel like the experienced person is telling them what to do.
oh get off your conceited horse. given what pvp in this game like? you don't need to be good at it. you just need to have an organized group and/or meta ganking build to run with.
and there is a difference between experienced pver telling someone what to do as in explaining mechanics, or giving asked for advice (which btw is awesome and these pvers are the only people that balance out the toxic elitism), and being told "use this one obscure skill or you are terrible, get out of my sight. I had a displeasure to be grouped with one of those. no, I wasn't the one they were attacking. funny story - they ended up being the one to get kicked, we got a new, much MORE experienced player in our group and didn't just finish the dungeon, but finish last boss on hardmode. Elitist pvpers and pvers who are so convinced that they are all that and will trash anyone that doesn't fit their rigid little mold? are a cancer to the community of pretty much every MMO. and THAT is why they are disliked.dirty worthless casual.
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The reason you know they hate PvPers because they're good, is that they don't PvP themselves. If they were good, they would do it but they're not good enough, so instead just resort to hating on PvPers because they can't compete. This happens all the time in game, and it even happens in PvE. They will hate skilled PvEers either out of jealously or because they feel like the experienced person is telling them what to do.
ROFL, you are so wrong. They hate people like you because "the Elitists" behave like conceited, ignorant, narcissistic, brats. Not because they have skill.
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✭phileunderx2 wrote: »Easy way to do this is roll a new character. Get them to level 10 .make a healer or tank. Que for random. This way you will get all easy dungeons . Even better if you have cp to give your baby character.
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Why not?SydneyGrey wrote: »
Holy crap please don't encourage people to do group dungeons when they're only level 10. They won't have any passives unlocked, and won't have any of their skills maxed or even morphed at that point. They'd just end up being a useless carry for everyone else in the dungeon.phileunderx2 wrote: »Easy way to do this is roll a new character. Get them to level 10 .make a healer or tank. Que for random. This way you will get all easy dungeons . Even better if you have cp to give your baby character.
I solo all normal dungeons easy (unless they have a mechanic preventing that) and i have carried low level players through some of those without any issues.
So a level 10 queuing for a normal random shouldn't be a problem at all ...
well then, get ready for lots and lots of lvl 10s in dungeons. one of them will even be mine. because I can no longer stomach questing with a non maxed horse, she hasn't done anything outside of logging in once a day to do basic crafting writs and feeding her horse. she was originally going to skip group things until I got her some more abilities, but... ZoS added this event.The 'solo' part of this community is so toxic. Pretty sure ESO is sold as a mmo, otherwise its be just another skyrim, no servers needed. Install and play with yourself in the corner sort of game.
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Agree 100%, the level of toxicity among the 'solo players' or 'purely solo questers' is truly laughable.
They hate PvPers because PvPers are good at the game, and they hate veteran level PvEers because they're anti social. The mindset is just ridiculously toxic/off-putting.
no dear. they hate certain pvpers because apparently their idea of pvp involves camping some poor hapless pve player just trying to finish their fishing achievement, and they hate certain elitist pve veterans because those veterans insult them for using the "wrong" morph or the "wrong" weapon and gatekeep them from doing dungeons with statements like "you should be doing at least 20k dps... in a normal dungeon, and kicking them if they don't. despite the fact that aforementioned dungeon can be soloed with half that dps while barely breaking a sweat. how DARE they extend this dungeon run by a whole 5 minutes because they are to casual to keep up with the latest theorycrafting trends and didn't switch to the new meta..... those dumb scrubs...
the mindset of certain pvp/pve contingent IS toxic.. in that it drives people from content and eventually from the game.
like it or not, this is spot on.
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✭✭✭✭✭no dear. they hate certain pvpers because apparently their idea of pvp involves camping some poor hapless pve player just trying to finish their fishing achievement, and they hate certain elitist pve veterans because those veterans insult them for using the "wrong" morph or the "wrong" weapon and gatekeep them from doing dungeons with statements like "you should be doing at least 20k dps... in a normal dungeon, and kicking them if they don't. despite the fact that aforementioned dungeon can be soloed with half that dps while barely breaking a sweat. how DARE they extend this dungeon run by a whole 5 minutes because they are to casual to keep up with the latest theorycrafting trends and didn't switch to the new meta..... those dumb scrubs...
the mindset of certain pvp/pve contingent IS toxic.. in that it drives people from content and eventually from the game.
nah what I'm saying is they hate PvPers because the PvPers are the ones who are good at the game. On average PvPers are the best people at the game, PvP is harder and most of us have already achieved a lot in PvE world and that gear is also useful in PvP.
The reason you know they hate PvPers because they're good, is that they don't PvP themselves. If they were good, they would do it but they're not good enough, so instead just resort to hating on PvPers because they can't compete. This happens all the time in game, and it even happens in PvE. They will hate skilled PvEers either out of jealously or because they feel like the experienced person is telling them what to do.
Oh yeah cause getting a Whisper from one of them telling me "ur *** trash" is definitely not from a good player cause good players aren't toxic?
PvPlayers are only good at fighting other players because thats what they focus on. Take any mainline PvPlayer and toss them into a HM Vet Dungeon and I'll give you 50k gold if they actually aren't an utter waste of that DPS slot. The two gamemodes are just too different for people to claim "If you're great at one, you're great at the whole thing."CP2,000 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - The Clan
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Skinzz✭✭✭✭✭Sounds like OP is just a quester and doesn't do dungeons or end game stuff.Anybody got a group? LFG, anybody? Hello?2 -
Dapper Dinosaur✭✭✭✭✭I would be fine with this event the way it is if the group finder wasn't permanently ****ing busted. Right now it's doing a "jump failed, instance is full" error 9/10 times I try to use it, and of course you get slapped with that stupid 15-minute queue cooldown whether you leave your group to retry or not, so when you get that error and it doesn't resolve, it basically just shuts you out of group finding for 15 minutes without even being able to attempt the dungeon.
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✭no dear. they hate certain pvpers because apparently their idea of pvp involves camping some poor hapless pve player just trying to finish their fishing achievement, and they hate certain elitist pve veterans because those veterans insult them for using the "wrong" morph or the "wrong" weapon and gatekeep them from doing dungeons with statements like "you should be doing at least 20k dps... in a normal dungeon, and kicking them if they don't. despite the fact that aforementioned dungeon can be soloed with half that dps while barely breaking a sweat. how DARE they extend this dungeon run by a whole 5 minutes because they are to casual to keep up with the latest theorycrafting trends and didn't switch to the new meta..... those dumb scrubs...
the mindset of certain pvp/pve contingent IS toxic.. in that it drives people from content and eventually from the game.
nah what I'm saying is they hate PvPers because the PvPers are the ones who are good at the game. On average PvPers are the best people at the game, PvP is harder and most of us have already achieved a lot in PvE world and that gear is also useful in PvP.
The reason you know they hate PvPers because they're good, is that they don't PvP themselves. If they were good, they would do it but they're not good enough, so instead just resort to hating on PvPers because they can't compete. This happens all the time in game, and it even happens in PvE. They will hate skilled PvEers either out of jealously or because they feel like the experienced person is telling them what to do.
Oh yeah cause getting a Whisper from one of them telling me "ur *** trash" is definitely not from a good player cause good players aren't toxic?
PvPlayers are only good at fighting other players because thats what they focus on. Take any mainline PvPlayer and toss them into a HM Vet Dungeon and I'll give you 50k gold if they actually aren't an utter waste of that DPS slot. The two gamemodes are just too different for people to claim "If you're great at one, you're great at the whole thing."
Okay, fair enough point of view.
PvP players are incredibly toxic, probably the most toxic, but I wasn't really discussing that what I was more discussing is that PvPers are better at the game than PvEers/other non PvP people. Like disgustingly so. I have done a lot of both and it will never cease to amaze just how bad some pure PvEers are. Like we are talking sloowww reaction times. Or something. Because they just can't even get through the easiest of fights yet they're CP 690.
So I am more discussing that, I care more about how good someone actually is at the game, rather than their toxicity level. I will generally tolerate toxic attitudes from people as long as they're good. I'll also normally base my opinion of you off of your skill level, rather than attitude. I played division 1 athletics at the collegiate level, and I can say from experience that sometimes the best people at the game have the worst attitudes. So judging people off their attitudes in a game actually doesn't even make sense. You have to look at how good they are at the game.
So, naturally garbage PvPers with garbage attitudes are a nuisance, but hey, at least they're contributing toward the population. Generally I'll get cancer whispers on the daily, and a lot of the time I'll ignore or them or respond if it somehow 'triggers' me enough. Obviously all of those people aren't good or else they would've survived.
To respond to the next part of your comment, it seems like you don't understand that PvP is harder, and also takes more skill. It's a lot harder and takes a lot more skill. That is simply a fact. First of all, all vet dungeons are relatively easy. Even the dlc ones. I haven't done a ton of trial stuff, only a couple vet ones but those are harder granted but outside of that, really PvE is far too easy. Anyone who is decent at PvP is also decent at PvE. The PvPers who never PvE or don't respect it are the ones who usually are of a lower caliber in PvP from my experience.
And the game modes are different but they still are the same game. PvP is just a much harder version of the game (and also more entertaining, generally speaking).0 -
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✭✭✭SisterGoat wrote: »I want to partake in this event, but it's going to be extremely stressful for me if I want to do it for every character, every day for the event. Most of my characters are under level 20 and if I get kicked for that, that's going to make it even more stressful.
If you're under level 20 then you'll get put into one of the 6 easiest dungeons in the game.
Everything changed with the CWC patch: you can no longer be put into one of the trickier DLC dungeons nor the version 2 of those that have a 1 and a 2, until you're level 45.
Up to that point they unlock 3 at a time every 7 levels... 10, 17, 24... etc.
There should be no kicking based on level in those dungeons - based on being a fake tank or fake healer or going AFK without telling anyone? Yes. But not based on level.0 -
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PvPlayers are only good at fighting other players because thats what they focus on. Take any mainline PvPlayer and toss them into a HM Vet Dungeon and I'll give you 50k gold if they actually aren't an utter waste of that DPS slot. The two gamemodes are just too different for people to claim "If you're great at one, you're great at the whole thing."
This is true, with a but
it took me roughly 3 dungeon runs to decide that dps in PvE was not for me, and respec my dps characters to tank builds
have consistently received compliments on my heals and tanking since then tho
solo PvP 'made' me better at burst damage than a sustained rotation
but group PvP also 'made' me better at surviving and keeping other players alive under pressure
one may speculate as to whether players who mainly play solo or in groups in PvE demonstrate similar capacities
my presupposition is that ostensibly solo players tend to go damage in dungeons
as tank and heal roles are more fundamentally team based, whereas damage can efficiently solo anything that does not instagib them"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
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Rawkan✭✭✭✭✭I wish they made this per account instead. This just screams for non-stop farming until total burnout.2 -
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Not really ...Well looks like you can get 4 solo'ers together and finish the dungeon 4x quicker.
One will have never run the dungeon and is going through all the quest dialogs, reading every book and looking in every container while the other two keep spamming the group chat with how awesome they are and that they can run the dungeon naked with their eyes closed yet somehow they keep dying.
And you find yourself thinking, "Self, i should have run this solo ..."
You are so wrong
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JackWest92✭✭✭Cite your sources for "the majority of your players solo".
Then go stand in line behind the "why are you locking an event behind PvP?", "why do you force questing for events?", "not fair that event achievements require dlc", "my local laws don't allow me to participate in the contest, shame on Zeni for being compliant with laws and denying me free stuff" complainers.
Edit: By the way, everyone repeating the "It's an mmo" when it has been declared by ZOS that it is not, as well as the "Go play Skyrim" folk, are only resulting in me laughing.
Your complaining about having to do group content in a multiplayer game is making me both laugh and facepalm, but here we are
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JWKe✭✭✭✭I personally don't mind the grouping since it's an MMO. What I mind though is when the queue is 30 minutes to an hour long.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I don't remember what MMO it was, but there was one where you could actually hire NPCs to escort you through dungeons. They were basically computer controlled party members who acted like tanks, healers, or DPS. They were designed for players who didn't want to run dungeons with other players or players who couldn't find others to run a dungeon with them.
I found the concept intriguing, but I imagine something like this being added to a modern MMO a programming nightmare.Edited by Cadbury on November 20, 2017 7:16AM"If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."0 -
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✭i started play ESO like a single player game too... now i play mostly with randoms in dungeons. Way more fun than killing 32k hp mobs. (have only 2 chars healer and tank, so i don't bother with long queues).1 -
CyborgPlatypus✭✭✭I usually pve but I really enjoyed the pvp event earlier in the year. I got the title and everything, even killed an Emp.
Just give it a try, it won't hurt, plus pug dungeons are basically solo, no one talks usually so it's like running with 3 very smart AI. If you get a harder dungeon try it for 15 minutes then leave if it's impossible and you won't get the penalty.
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