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CWC pointlessly easy.
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Flameheart✭✭✭✭✭Flameheart wrote: »Another option would be to create a char in good old Everquest. This game is still unbeaten when it comes to dangerous and harsh solo play.
Final Fantasy XI would like to have a word with you.
EQ was positively solo-friendly compared to it. (and it was amazing ...)
I admit that I never played a FF game, but I remember sweaty moments where my corpse in EQ was about to dissolve, because there was no chance of ever getting my corpse (with the gear of 3 years playing on it) back with a naked run because of the dangerousness of the (over world) location and the "friendly" necromancer - smelling the desperation - wanted loads of k of platinum from me to summon it to my feet :-)Sometimes the prey turns and nips us... it's a small thing.
So let the snow flakes and unicorns dance alone until they melt or vanish from existence, we will finish up with those smart enough to stay in the glowing circle of love.
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✭✭✭✭✭NPC difficulty has been getting weaker each update. In CWC i can be naked and 2 hit the npcs. Makes the game feel pointless. I liked Imperial City difficulty at release was hard but still doable solo and had roaming challenges.
And if we make it harder no one will play.
Between PVP whining impacting the balance, the sustain changes, the game isn't able to suit a more difficult approach anymore. Sorry, but get used to it. You dont like it, dont play.
To everyone on this thread: Stop trying to kill the game. Because that is the only thing this will accomplish. You may not like it, but it's all that will happen. ESO is surviving off the casual audience right now, because of just how little it pleases people like you. Dont alienate the only people making it money anymore.Edited by Doctordarkspawn on November 14, 2017 1:50PM8 -
Iselin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Do it on a server or with an account where you have no CP, no gold nor mats to gear up. Do it at level 4.
Even then your previous experience with the game will should make it much easier for you than for the lowest common denominator player overland content MUST be designed for.
Post a video... we'll wait.
When the game was first released, when mobs would destroy you, I was also brand new to the game, and I asked for help if I needed help. It is an mmo, be social.
And in order to get a new account with lvl 4 id have to repurchase the game, and or delete my current toons, which wnt happen. I have had this argument with people on swtor and posted a video of me punch a world boss champion to death naked, do you really want me to do that? No one is saying it should be impossibly difficult like a vet dungeon, but at least make people switch their neocortex on.
Fine. Do it on your normal account with a lowbee alt. But then we'd have to trust you to be a level 4 who hasn't used his 690CP . If you level alts in this game and have been in the islands where new players get dumped you should have seen by now many people dying to enemies that are much, much easier than anything the CwC will throw at them.
If it makes you feel superior that you are far above them in knowing the game and that your neocortex is engaged and theirs isn't, fill your boots.1 -
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Um. Have you actually tried that?but it shouldnt be so easy that you can run around naked with no cp allocated and punch mobs to death.
Because I guarantee you that for someone starting out with zero CP (you have mid-300's, we're talking zero) and a mishmash of dropped gear (because no newbie has the crafting to make set gear nor the gold to afford to pay someone for set gear), the overland is not braindead easy. I know, because I experienced it first-hand when I started on a new server.
Again, why the hell do people want harder overland? The overland is story mode. It's supposed to be easy. You want a challenge? There is plenty of that to be had in this game. I like challenging content. It's why I spend pretty much all my time in vet trials and the vet DLC dungeons. But I don't go around advocating for making overland easier. That would be like an experienced swimmer going to a public pool and demanding that they eliminate the shallow end of the pool. There is a wide spectrum of PvE difficulty--take advantage of that instead of trying to make everything conform to you.Edited by code65536 on November 14, 2017 1:49PMNightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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Um. Have you actually tried that?but it shouldnt be so easy that you can run around naked with no cp allocated and punch mobs to death.
Because I guarantee you that for someone starting out with zero CP (you have mid-300's, we're talking zero) and a mishmash of dropped gear (because no newbie has the crafting to make set gear nor the gold to afford to pay someone for set gear), the overland is not braindead easy. I know, because I experienced it first-hand when I started on a new server.
Again, why the hell do people want harder overland? The overland is story mode. It's supposed to be easy. You want a challenge? There is plenty of that to be had in this game. I like challenging content. It's why I spend pretty much all my time in vet trials and the vet DLC dungeons. But I don't go around advocating for making overland easier. That's like a experienced swimmer going to a public pool and demanding that they eliminate the shallow end of the pool. There is a wide spectrum of PvE difficulty--take advantage of that instead of trying to make everything conform to you.
I just made a video of me on bleakfrock island naked with no cp allocated ( shown in video ) at lvl 4 fighting singular enemies. HOWEVER, the video quality was set to 1080 and that was huge and would take forever to upload, im gonna try to make videos smaller. Stand by.Do it on a server or with an account where you have no CP, no gold nor mats to gear up. Do it at level 4.
Even then your previous experience with the game will should make it much easier for you than for the lowest common denominator player overland content MUST be designed for.
Post a video... we'll wait.
When the game was first released, when mobs would destroy you, I was also brand new to the game, and I asked for help if I needed help. It is an mmo, be social.
And in order to get a new account with lvl 4 id have to repurchase the game, and or delete my current toons, which wnt happen. I have had this argument with people on swtor and posted a video of me punch a world boss champion to death naked, do you really want me to do that? No one is saying it should be impossibly difficult like a vet dungeon, but at least make people switch their neocortex on.
Fine. Do it on your normal account with a lowbee alt. But then we'd have to trust you to be a level 4 who hasn't used his 690CP . If you level alts in this game and have been in the islands where new players get dumped you should have seen by now many people dying to enemies that are much, much easier than anything the CwC will throw at them.
If it makes you feel superior that you are far above them in knowing the game and that your neocortex is engaged and theirs isn't, fill your boots.
It isn't about being superior, it is about having content that is mildly challenging for new comers, and not so challenging for experienced players, it should be catered to a wide range of players, not just people looking to play in god mode. And if you ask for proof and then I offer proof, you do not get to play the victim when you were proven wrong. Thats not how that works.1 -
monktoasty✭✭✭✭✭Do you guys forget being new? I'm new aND I have all types of trouble doing quests. I struggle and hate gargoyles and deadroth..many small bosses takes me a lot of tries. If I get ambushed or don't see a group of mobs I'm done..I need to buff up before every encounter.
Just because you are now very strong..doesn't mean the game is easy.
I still can't beat Hossins dream.
I'm lvl 50 cp 129 stamina nightblade.
So..yea.you get strong and knowledgeable about the game things tend to get easier..no reason to make it dumb hard for us non strong players
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✭I hate all the ccing too. Especially the mobs with the traps that they can throw a mile away with pinpoint accuracy.6 -
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Um. Have you actually tried that?but it shouldnt be so easy that you can run around naked with no cp allocated and punch mobs to death.
Because I guarantee you that for someone starting out with zero CP (you have mid-300's, we're talking zero) and a mishmash of dropped gear (because no newbie has the crafting to make set gear nor the gold to afford to pay someone for set gear), the overland is not braindead easy. I know, because I experienced it first-hand when I started on a new server.
Again, why the hell do people want harder overland? The overland is story mode. It's supposed to be easy. You want a challenge? There is plenty of that to be had in this game. I like challenging content. It's why I spend pretty much all my time in vet trials and the vet DLC dungeons. But I don't go around advocating for making overland easier. That's like a experienced swimmer going to a public pool and demanding that they eliminate the shallow end of the pool. There is a wide spectrum of PvE difficulty--take advantage of that instead of trying to make everything conform to you.
I just made a video of me on bleakfrock island naked with no cp allocated ( shown in video ) at lvl 4 fighting singular enemies. HOWEVER, the video quality was set to 1080 and that was huge and would take forever to upload, im gonna try to make videos smaller. Stand by.Do it on a server or with an account where you have no CP, no gold nor mats to gear up. Do it at level 4.
Even then your previous experience with the game will should make it much easier for you than for the lowest common denominator player overland content MUST be designed for.
Post a video... we'll wait.
When the game was first released, when mobs would destroy you, I was also brand new to the game, and I asked for help if I needed help. It is an mmo, be social.
And in order to get a new account with lvl 4 id have to repurchase the game, and or delete my current toons, which wnt happen. I have had this argument with people on swtor and posted a video of me punch a world boss champion to death naked, do you really want me to do that? No one is saying it should be impossibly difficult like a vet dungeon, but at least make people switch their neocortex on.
Fine. Do it on your normal account with a lowbee alt. But then we'd have to trust you to be a level 4 who hasn't used his 690CP . If you level alts in this game and have been in the islands where new players get dumped you should have seen by now many people dying to enemies that are much, much easier than anything the CwC will throw at them.
If it makes you feel superior that you are far above them in knowing the game and that your neocortex is engaged and theirs isn't, fill your boots.
It isn't about being superior, it is about having content that is mildly challenging for new comers, and not so challenging for experienced players, it should be catered to a wide range of players, not just people looking to play in god mode. And if you ask for proof and then I offer proof, you do not get to play the victim when you were proven wrong. Thats not how that works.
The problem with your "test" is that you are an experienced player who knows the mechanics. Also, if what you say about your video is true, you are fighting singular enemies. Come back when you take on packs of enemies in a public dungeon or delve. Or take on a quest boss. I remember playing a year ago as a new player starting out. The content was just difficult enough to not make me want to quit. Just last night, I watched a level 39 player die to a public dungeon boss in Repaers March. I bet he didn't think the content was too easy. I bet the below 50 players I see dead in random spots don't think the content is too easy.
Some other things new player do not have:
Reliable potions
Food
Knowledge of mechanics
Edited by jaws343 on November 14, 2017 2:02PM6 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
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Um. Have you actually tried that?but it shouldnt be so easy that you can run around naked with no cp allocated and punch mobs to death.
Because I guarantee you that for someone starting out with zero CP (you have mid-300's, we're talking zero) and a mishmash of dropped gear (because no newbie has the crafting to make set gear nor the gold to afford to pay someone for set gear), the overland is not braindead easy. I know, because I experienced it first-hand when I started on a new server.
Again, why the hell do people want harder overland? The overland is story mode. It's supposed to be easy. You want a challenge? There is plenty of that to be had in this game. I like challenging content. It's why I spend pretty much all my time in vet trials and the vet DLC dungeons. But I don't go around advocating for making overland easier. That's like a experienced swimmer going to a public pool and demanding that they eliminate the shallow end of the pool. There is a wide spectrum of PvE difficulty--take advantage of that instead of trying to make everything conform to you.
I just made a video of me on bleakfrock island naked with no cp allocated ( shown in video ) at lvl 4 fighting singular enemies. HOWEVER, the video quality was set to 1080 and that was huge and would take forever to upload, im gonna try to make videos smaller. Stand by.Do it on a server or with an account where you have no CP, no gold nor mats to gear up. Do it at level 4.
Even then your previous experience with the game will should make it much easier for you than for the lowest common denominator player overland content MUST be designed for.
Post a video... we'll wait.
When the game was first released, when mobs would destroy you, I was also brand new to the game, and I asked for help if I needed help. It is an mmo, be social.
And in order to get a new account with lvl 4 id have to repurchase the game, and or delete my current toons, which wnt happen. I have had this argument with people on swtor and posted a video of me punch a world boss champion to death naked, do you really want me to do that? No one is saying it should be impossibly difficult like a vet dungeon, but at least make people switch their neocortex on.
Fine. Do it on your normal account with a lowbee alt. But then we'd have to trust you to be a level 4 who hasn't used his 690CP . If you level alts in this game and have been in the islands where new players get dumped you should have seen by now many people dying to enemies that are much, much easier than anything the CwC will throw at them.
If it makes you feel superior that you are far above them in knowing the game and that your neocortex is engaged and theirs isn't, fill your boots.
It isn't about being superior, it is about having content that is mildly challenging for new comers, and not so challenging for experienced players, it should be catered to a wide range of players, not just people looking to play in god mode. And if you ask for proof and then I offer proof, you do not get to play the victim when you were proven wrong. Thats not how that works.
The problem with your "test" is that you are an experienced player who knows the mechanics. Also, if what you say about your video is true, you are fighting singular enemies. Come back when you take on packs of enemies in a public dungeon or delve. Or take on a quest boss. I remember playing a year ago as a new player starting out. The content was just difficult enough to not make me want to quit. Just last night, I watched a level 3 player die to a public dungeon boss in Repaers March. I bet he didn't think the content was too easy. I bet the below 50 players I see dead in random spots don't think the content is too easy.
Some other things new player do not have:
Reliable potions
Food
Knowledge of mechanics
Doing all atm, stand by. At lvl 4, no potions, no food, no drink, no armor, no weapons, no cp.0 -
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✭An easy way to get the no CP experience is to create a character on the opposing server. If you are na just go to eu. It is free and the only thing that carries over is your sub if you do sub.0 -
datgladiatah✭✭✭If ZoS feels comfortable with the state of Craglorn, I don't see why they aren't releasing more zones like it. Challenging solo PvE is necessary even for casual audiences because they're mostly not interested in group play. Dependency on a group isn't even a good way to challenge any kind of player, let alone casuals.
They teased Mirkmire a long time ago as being just like Craglorn. Just release the area like Craglorn is now, decrease the amount of group world bosses compared to that zone and it'd be fine. I think it's up to the game developer to come up with ways to make it interested in players who are coming in trying to make it a TES experience, and there is at least some challenge in that game that make people come back, but not one that involves organizing a 12 man thing. It's counter-intuitive to constantly release solo questing zones that no hardcore player has any interest in grinding through when the rewards are weak and the challenge is weaker. To me, and to anyone else that I've helped get into the game, is the issue that will keep me from playing because it's an overall frustrating and unfun experience to be handfed 1000 hours of *** quest content with weak rewards, then realize the best way I can make my character stronger is through vet trials and that none of my time mattered and the effort wasn't even fun.1 -
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Um. Have you actually tried that?but it shouldnt be so easy that you can run around naked with no cp allocated and punch mobs to death.
Because I guarantee you that for someone starting out with zero CP (you have mid-300's, we're talking zero) and a mishmash of dropped gear (because no newbie has the crafting to make set gear nor the gold to afford to pay someone for set gear), the overland is not braindead easy. I know, because I experienced it first-hand when I started on a new server.
Again, why the hell do people want harder overland? The overland is story mode. It's supposed to be easy. You want a challenge? There is plenty of that to be had in this game. I like challenging content. It's why I spend pretty much all my time in vet trials and the vet DLC dungeons. But I don't go around advocating for making overland easier. That's like a experienced swimmer going to a public pool and demanding that they eliminate the shallow end of the pool. There is a wide spectrum of PvE difficulty--take advantage of that instead of trying to make everything conform to you.
I just made a video of me on bleakfrock island naked with no cp allocated ( shown in video ) at lvl 4 fighting singular enemies. HOWEVER, the video quality was set to 1080 and that was huge and would take forever to upload, im gonna try to make videos smaller. Stand by.Do it on a server or with an account where you have no CP, no gold nor mats to gear up. Do it at level 4.
Even then your previous experience with the game will should make it much easier for you than for the lowest common denominator player overland content MUST be designed for.
Post a video... we'll wait.
When the game was first released, when mobs would destroy you, I was also brand new to the game, and I asked for help if I needed help. It is an mmo, be social.
And in order to get a new account with lvl 4 id have to repurchase the game, and or delete my current toons, which wnt happen. I have had this argument with people on swtor and posted a video of me punch a world boss champion to death naked, do you really want me to do that? No one is saying it should be impossibly difficult like a vet dungeon, but at least make people switch their neocortex on.
Fine. Do it on your normal account with a lowbee alt. But then we'd have to trust you to be a level 4 who hasn't used his 690CP . If you level alts in this game and have been in the islands where new players get dumped you should have seen by now many people dying to enemies that are much, much easier than anything the CwC will throw at them.
If it makes you feel superior that you are far above them in knowing the game and that your neocortex is engaged and theirs isn't, fill your boots.
It isn't about being superior, it is about having content that is mildly challenging for new comers, and not so challenging for experienced players, it should be catered to a wide range of players, not just people looking to play in god mode. And if you ask for proof and then I offer proof, you do not get to play the victim when you were proven wrong. Thats not how that works.
Dude, get a clue:
New players already die with the content as it currently is.
Read that statement as many times as you need to read it until you understand what that means about the current overland difficulty,10 -
monktoasty✭✭✭✭✭It's like dark souls..if you don't know much you die every encounter just about..but you learn how things work and you can than beat it with lvl 1 and weapon
Same here..I don't care if you can beat the main quest naked using fists no pots no anything..you know how mobs fight and you can mitigate their danger by simply avoiding their attacks.
Your are an arrogant person to want to ruin others gameplay because you are such a bad [snip] at the game.
[Edited to remove profanity]Edited by ZOS_KatP on November 14, 2017 5:04PM6 -
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Um. Have you actually tried that?but it shouldnt be so easy that you can run around naked with no cp allocated and punch mobs to death.
Because I guarantee you that for someone starting out with zero CP (you have mid-300's, we're talking zero) and a mishmash of dropped gear (because no newbie has the crafting to make set gear nor the gold to afford to pay someone for set gear), the overland is not braindead easy. I know, because I experienced it first-hand when I started on a new server.
Again, why the hell do people want harder overland? The overland is story mode. It's supposed to be easy. You want a challenge? There is plenty of that to be had in this game. I like challenging content. It's why I spend pretty much all my time in vet trials and the vet DLC dungeons. But I don't go around advocating for making overland easier. That's like a experienced swimmer going to a public pool and demanding that they eliminate the shallow end of the pool. There is a wide spectrum of PvE difficulty--take advantage of that instead of trying to make everything conform to you.
I just made a video of me on bleakfrock island naked with no cp allocated ( shown in video ) at lvl 4 fighting singular enemies. HOWEVER, the video quality was set to 1080 and that was huge and would take forever to upload, im gonna try to make videos smaller. Stand by.Do it on a server or with an account where you have no CP, no gold nor mats to gear up. Do it at level 4.
Even then your previous experience with the game will should make it much easier for you than for the lowest common denominator player overland content MUST be designed for.
Post a video... we'll wait.
When the game was first released, when mobs would destroy you, I was also brand new to the game, and I asked for help if I needed help. It is an mmo, be social.
And in order to get a new account with lvl 4 id have to repurchase the game, and or delete my current toons, which wnt happen. I have had this argument with people on swtor and posted a video of me punch a world boss champion to death naked, do you really want me to do that? No one is saying it should be impossibly difficult like a vet dungeon, but at least make people switch their neocortex on.
Fine. Do it on your normal account with a lowbee alt. But then we'd have to trust you to be a level 4 who hasn't used his 690CP . If you level alts in this game and have been in the islands where new players get dumped you should have seen by now many people dying to enemies that are much, much easier than anything the CwC will throw at them.
If it makes you feel superior that you are far above them in knowing the game and that your neocortex is engaged and theirs isn't, fill your boots.
It isn't about being superior, it is about having content that is mildly challenging for new comers, and not so challenging for experienced players, it should be catered to a wide range of players, not just people looking to play in god mode. And if you ask for proof and then I offer proof, you do not get to play the victim when you were proven wrong. Thats not how that works.
The problem with your "test" is that you are an experienced player who knows the mechanics. Also, if what you say about your video is true, you are fighting singular enemies. Come back when you take on packs of enemies in a public dungeon or delve. Or take on a quest boss. I remember playing a year ago as a new player starting out. The content was just difficult enough to not make me want to quit. Just last night, I watched a level 3 player die to a public dungeon boss in Repaers March. I bet he didn't think the content was too easy. I bet the below 50 players I see dead in random spots don't think the content is too easy.
Some other things new player do not have:
Reliable potions
Food
Knowledge of mechanics
Doing all atm, stand by. At lvl 4, no potions, no food, no drink, no armor, no weapons, no cp.
Are you going to be able to forget or unlearn enemy fight mechanics? Because if you cannot do that, your test is worthless. Don't dodge anything, or block, or bash/interrupt, because new players at level 4 are still learning when to do those things, and the different attacks of the enemies.Edited by jaws343 on November 14, 2017 2:14PM2 -
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✭✭The issue is Cp being enabled for questing.The extra damage from CP is really insanely high and the game isn't scaling to your cp only to level 50. Questing should be CP free. It will still be easy but not as easy.
I also wish there was some kind of difficulty slider, that you could change how you are scaled to the environment. That doesn't seem too difficult to implement...
Edited by Narvuntien on November 14, 2017 2:15PM0 -
monktoasty✭✭✭✭✭phileunderx2 wrote: »I hate all the ccing too. Especially the mobs with the traps that they can throw a mile away with pinpoint accuracy.
God every fight I'm being knocked away a mile and a half because everything w8nds up for that home run swing on me0 -
code65536✭✭✭✭✭
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Um. Have you actually tried that?but it shouldnt be so easy that you can run around naked with no cp allocated and punch mobs to death.
Because I guarantee you that for someone starting out with zero CP (you have mid-300's, we're talking zero) and a mishmash of dropped gear (because no newbie has the crafting to make set gear nor the gold to afford to pay someone for set gear), the overland is not braindead easy. I know, because I experienced it first-hand when I started on a new server.
Again, why the hell do people want harder overland? The overland is story mode. It's supposed to be easy. You want a challenge? There is plenty of that to be had in this game. I like challenging content. It's why I spend pretty much all my time in vet trials and the vet DLC dungeons. But I don't go around advocating for making overland easier. That's like a experienced swimmer going to a public pool and demanding that they eliminate the shallow end of the pool. There is a wide spectrum of PvE difficulty--take advantage of that instead of trying to make everything conform to you.
I just made a video of me on bleakfrock island naked with no cp allocated ( shown in video ) at lvl 4 fighting singular enemies. HOWEVER, the video quality was set to 1080 and that was huge and would take forever to upload, im gonna try to make videos smaller. Stand by.Do it on a server or with an account where you have no CP, no gold nor mats to gear up. Do it at level 4.
Even then your previous experience with the game will should make it much easier for you than for the lowest common denominator player overland content MUST be designed for.
Post a video... we'll wait.
When the game was first released, when mobs would destroy you, I was also brand new to the game, and I asked for help if I needed help. It is an mmo, be social.
And in order to get a new account with lvl 4 id have to repurchase the game, and or delete my current toons, which wnt happen. I have had this argument with people on swtor and posted a video of me punch a world boss champion to death naked, do you really want me to do that? No one is saying it should be impossibly difficult like a vet dungeon, but at least make people switch their neocortex on.
Fine. Do it on your normal account with a lowbee alt. But then we'd have to trust you to be a level 4 who hasn't used his 690CP . If you level alts in this game and have been in the islands where new players get dumped you should have seen by now many people dying to enemies that are much, much easier than anything the CwC will throw at them.
If it makes you feel superior that you are far above them in knowing the game and that your neocortex is engaged and theirs isn't, fill your boots.
It isn't about being superior, it is about having content that is mildly challenging for new comers, and not so challenging for experienced players, it should be catered to a wide range of players, not just people looking to play in god mode. And if you ask for proof and then I offer proof, you do not get to play the victim when you were proven wrong. Thats not how that works.
The problem with your "test" is that you are an experienced player who knows the mechanics. Also, if what you say about your video is true, you are fighting singular enemies. Come back when you take on packs of enemies in a public dungeon or delve. Or take on a quest boss. I remember playing a year ago as a new player starting out. The content was just difficult enough to not make me want to quit. Just last night, I watched a level 3 player die to a public dungeon boss in Repaers March. I bet he didn't think the content was too easy. I bet the below 50 players I see dead in random spots don't think the content is too easy.
Some other things new player do not have:
Reliable potions
Food
Knowledge of mechanics
Doing all atm, stand by. At lvl 4, no potions, no food, no drink, no armor, no weapons, no cp.
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Um. Have you actually tried that?but it shouldnt be so easy that you can run around naked with no cp allocated and punch mobs to death.
Because I guarantee you that for someone starting out with zero CP (you have mid-300's, we're talking zero) and a mishmash of dropped gear (because no newbie has the crafting to make set gear nor the gold to afford to pay someone for set gear), the overland is not braindead easy. I know, because I experienced it first-hand when I started on a new server.
Again, why the hell do people want harder overland? The overland is story mode. It's supposed to be easy. You want a challenge? There is plenty of that to be had in this game. I like challenging content. It's why I spend pretty much all my time in vet trials and the vet DLC dungeons. But I don't go around advocating for making overland easier. That's like a experienced swimmer going to a public pool and demanding that they eliminate the shallow end of the pool. There is a wide spectrum of PvE difficulty--take advantage of that instead of trying to make everything conform to you.
I just made a video of me on bleakfrock island naked with no cp allocated ( shown in video ) at lvl 4 fighting singular enemies. HOWEVER, the video quality was set to 1080 and that was huge and would take forever to upload, im gonna try to make videos smaller. Stand by.Do it on a server or with an account where you have no CP, no gold nor mats to gear up. Do it at level 4.
Even then your previous experience with the game will should make it much easier forf you than for the lowest common denominator player overland content MUST be designed for.
Post a video... we'll wait.
When the game was first released, when mobs would destroy you, I was also brand new to the game, and I asked for help if I needed help. It is an mmo, be social.
And in order to get a new account with lvl 4 id have to repurchase the game, and or delete my current toons, which wnt happen. I have had this argument with people on swtor and posted a video of me punch a world boss champion to death naked, do you really want me to do that? No one is saying it should be impossibly difficult like a vet dungeon, but at least make people switch their neocortex on.
Fine. Do it on your normal account with a lowbee alt. But then we'd have to trust you to be a level 4 who hasn't used his 690CP . If you level alts in this game and have been in the islands where new players get dumped you should have seen by now many people dying to enemies that are much, much easier than anything the CwC will throw at them.
If it makes you feel superior that you are far above them in knowing the game and that your neocortex is engaged and theirs isn't, fill your boots.
It isn't about being superior, it is about having content that is mildly challenging for new comers, and not so challenging for experienced players, it should be catered to a wide range of players, not just people looking to play in god mode. And if you ask for proof and then I offer proof, you do not get to play the victim when you were proven wrong. Thats not how that works.
The problem with your "test" is that you are an experienced player who knows the mechanics. Also, if what you say about your video is true, you are fighting singular enemies. Come back when you take on packs of enemies in a public dungeon or delve. Or take on a quest boss. I remember playing a year ago as a new player starting out. The content was just difficult enough to not make me want to quit. Just last night, I watched a level 3 player die to a public dungeon boss in Repaers March. I bet he didn't think the content was too easy. I bet the below 50 players I see dead in random spots don't think the content is too easy.
Some other things new player do not have:
Reliable potions
Food
Knowledge of mechanics
Doing all atm, stand by. At lvl 4, no potions, no food, no drink, no armor, no weapons, no cp.
Are you going to be able to forget or unlearn enemy fight mechanics? Because if you cannot do that, your test is worthless. Don't dodge anything, or block, or bash/interrupt, because new players at level 4 are still learning when to do those things, and the different attacks of the enemies.
Dodge, block , bash are all explained in the new player tutorial. I also purposely missed several queues in my video while being attacked by another enemy to demonstrate that too.monktoasty wrote: »It's like dark souls..if you don't know much you die every encounter just about..but you learn how things work and you can than beat it with lvl 1 and weapon
Same here..I don't care if you can beat the main quest naked using fists no pots no anything..you know how mobs fight and you can mitigate their danger by simply avoiding their attacks.
Your are an arrogant person to want to ruin others gameplay because you are such a bad [snip] at the game
Being called arrogant for providing a requested video and then being called names for it? Thats not how things work.
Did I say it should be impossibly difficult? No. Did I say it should be mildly challenging for new players and not that challenging for experienced. Yes.
This is literally what just happened .
Me : " It is way too easy, to the point of being braindead easy "
Others : " No it isn't, it is very difficult for new players and I challenge you to make a video proving otherwise "
Me : " I accept this challenge and will take it a step further by being naked, on a new toon , with no cp, and no pots and no food / drink "
Others : " You are being arrogant for providing a video showing your superiority "
Seriously, if you ask for a video, and I provide one, dont get mad that I am obliging your request.
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monktoasty✭✭✭✭✭Narvuntien wrote: »The issue is Cp being enabled for questing.The extra damage from CP is really insanely high and the game isn't scaling to your cp only to level 50. Questing should be CP free. It will still be easy but not as easy.
I also wish there was some kind of difficulty slider, that you could change how you are scaled to the environment. That doesn't seem too difficult to implement...
Cp is a reward for playing the game..every mmo people don't want to re grind out aLts so to me the cp is awesome in that in the future when I make alts it'll be easier.
I love this aspect of the game! It adds true power and progressi9n in a world that scales to you..so that eventually all your time and hard work pays off with raw cp power.
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Um. Have you actually tried that?but it shouldnt be so easy that you can run around naked with no cp allocated and punch mobs to death.
Because I guarantee you that for someone starting out with zero CP (you have mid-300's, we're talking zero) and a mishmash of dropped gear (because no newbie has the crafting to make set gear nor the gold to afford to pay someone for set gear), the overland is not braindead easy. I know, because I experienced it first-hand when I started on a new server.
Again, why the hell do people want harder overland? The overland is story mode. It's supposed to be easy. You want a challenge? There is plenty of that to be had in this game. I like challenging content. It's why I spend pretty much all my time in vet trials and the vet DLC dungeons. But I don't go around advocating for making overland easier. That's like a experienced swimmer going to a public pool and demanding that they eliminate the shallow end of the pool. There is a wide spectrum of PvE difficulty--take advantage of that instead of trying to make everything conform to you.
I just made a video of me on bleakfrock island naked with no cp allocated ( shown in video ) at lvl 4 fighting singular enemies. HOWEVER, the video quality was set to 1080 and that was huge and would take forever to upload, im gonna try to make videos smaller. Stand by.Do it on a server or with an account where you have no CP, no gold nor mats to gear up. Do it at level 4.
Even then your previous experience with the game will should make it much easier for you than for the lowest common denominator player overland content MUST be designed for.
Post a video... we'll wait.
When the game was first released, when mobs would destroy you, I was also brand new to the game, and I asked for help if I needed help. It is an mmo, be social.
And in order to get a new account with lvl 4 id have to repurchase the game, and or delete my current toons, which wnt happen. I have had this argument with people on swtor and posted a video of me punch a world boss champion to death naked, do you really want me to do that? No one is saying it should be impossibly difficult like a vet dungeon, but at least make people switch their neocortex on.
Fine. Do it on your normal account with a lowbee alt. But then we'd have to trust you to be a level 4 who hasn't used his 690CP . If you level alts in this game and have been in the islands where new players get dumped you should have seen by now many people dying to enemies that are much, much easier than anything the CwC will throw at them.
If it makes you feel superior that you are far above them in knowing the game and that your neocortex is engaged and theirs isn't, fill your boots.
It isn't about being superior, it is about having content that is mildly challenging for new comers, and not so challenging for experienced players, it should be catered to a wide range of players, not just people looking to play in god mode. And if you ask for proof and then I offer proof, you do not get to play the victim when you were proven wrong. Thats not how that works.
The problem with your "test" is that you are an experienced player who knows the mechanics. Also, if what you say about your video is true, you are fighting singular enemies. Come back when you take on packs of enemies in a public dungeon or delve. Or take on a quest boss. I remember playing a year ago as a new player starting out. The content was just difficult enough to not make me want to quit. Just last night, I watched a level 3 player die to a public dungeon boss in Repaers March. I bet he didn't think the content was too easy. I bet the below 50 players I see dead in random spots don't think the content is too easy.
Some other things new player do not have:
Reliable potions
Food
Knowledge of mechanics
Doing all atm, stand by. At lvl 4, no potions, no food, no drink, no armor, no weapons, no cp.
Are you going to be able to forget or unlearn enemy fight mechanics? Because if you cannot do that, your test is worthless. Don't dodge anything, or block, or bash/interrupt, because new players at level 4 are still learning when to do those things, and the different attacks of the enemies.
Dodge, block , bash are all explained in the new player tutorial. I also purposely missed several queues in my video while being attacked by another enemy to demonstrate that too.
Yes, that info is the in the new player tutorial for like 30 total seconds. If you are trying to say that new players become experts at combat by going through the tutorial you really think too highly of new players. That tutorial is a joke and really doesn't prepare you for 90% of the situations you will face in actual combat.
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monktoasty✭✭✭✭✭No you are arrogant because since you are so awesome at the game you want to make it harder..thus making it harder for us who are not so bad [snip] at the game.
We get it..you think it's super easy..I don't need a video..I belive you.
But that doesn't make it super easy for everyone
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✭✭✭✭✭datgladiatah wrote: »If ZoS feels comfortable with the state of Craglorn, I don't see why they aren't releasing more zones like it. Challenging solo PvE is necessary even for casual audiences because they're mostly not interested in group play. Dependency on a group isn't even a good way to challenge any kind of player, let alone casuals.
They teased Mirkmire a long time ago as being just like Craglorn. Just release the area like Craglorn is now, decrease the amount of group world bosses compared to that zone and it'd be fine. I think it's up to the game developer to come up with ways to make it interested in players who are coming in trying to make it a TES experience, and there is at least some challenge in that game that make people come back, but not one that involves organizing a 12 man thing. It's counter-intuitive to constantly release solo questing zones that no hardcore player has any interest in grinding through when the rewards are weak and the challenge is weaker. To me, and to anyone else that I've helped get into the game, is the issue that will keep me from playing because it's an overall frustrating and unfun experience to be handfed 1000 hours of *** quest content with weak rewards, then realize the best way I can make my character stronger is through vet trials and that none of my time mattered and the effort wasn't even fun.
It's not necessary for casual audiences. People can just not like difficult content, you do understand the concept of not forcing people to do it like some sort of hardcore SS right?
And Craglorn is friggin -barren-, no one does the content on the regular anymore outside of small, contained groups.2 -
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✭✭monktoasty wrote: »Do you guys forget being new? I'm new aND I have all types of trouble doing quests. I struggle and hate gargoyles and deadroth..many small bosses takes me a lot of tries. If I get ambushed or don't see a group of mobs I'm done..I need to buff up before every encounter.
Just because you are now very strong..doesn't mean the game is easy.
I still can't beat Hossins dream.
I'm lvl 50 cp 129 stamina nightblade.
So..yea.you get strong and knowledgeable about the game things tend to get easier..no reason to make it dumb hard for us non strong players
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm guessing that new players aren't the prime target for DLC content. Making DLC content a bit harder than vanilla gived you something to work towards. Finishing all vanilla content should net you more than enough CP to tackle slightly harder content. Nobody is advocating to make quest content as hard as DLC veteran dungeons.1 -
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✭✭✭monktoasty wrote: »Do you guys forget being new? I'm new aND I have all types of trouble doing quests. I struggle and hate gargoyles and deadroth..many small bosses takes me a lot of tries. If I get ambushed or don't see a group of mobs I'm done..I need to buff up before every encounter.
Just because you are now very strong..doesn't mean the game is easy.
I still can't beat Hossins dream.
I'm lvl 50 cp 129 stamina nightblade.
So..yea.you get strong and knowledgeable about the game things tend to get easier..no reason to make it dumb hard for us non strong players
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm guessing that new players aren't the prime target for DLC content. Making DLC content a bit harder than vanilla gived you something to work towards. Finishing all vanilla content should net you more than enough CP to tackle slightly harder content. Nobody is advocating to make quest content as hard as DLC veteran dungeons.
Yes, you are wrong. Even before One Tamriel their policy has always been to sell DLC on the basis of anyone who buys it at any level being able to do it. DLC zones were the original level-scaled PVE zones.
The only thing that One Tamriel changed in that respect was that they gave low level players (levels 1-33) a bigger extra buff in addition to the normal up-scaling buff everyone under CP160 gets. And still... low level players new to the game drop like flies while they're learning to play wherever they are.
That policy of full access to DLC is so entrenched in their thinking that it took them 2 years to raise the entry level to normal difficulty DLC dungeons to 45 despite those being murderous to low level brand new players. Good luck convincing their marketing department to do similar level requirements for DLC overland zones.Edited by Iselin on November 14, 2017 3:05PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NPC difficulty has been getting weaker each update. In CWC i can be naked and 2 hit the npcs. Makes the game feel pointless. I liked Imperial City difficulty at release was hard but still doable solo and had roaming challenges.
CWC is overland story-based content and not intended to be a challenging arena. It's also intended to be done by lower-level players with incomplete skills and gear, and no CPs as well as other more experienced players. While battle-scaling takes that into account to a degree, it is always going to be easy for someone with BIS gear, 1,000 CPs and veteran knowledge of how to play the game including weaving and animation canceling etc to complete overland content. Most will fall somewhere between the two extremes and some of those will find it easy and others less so.1 -
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The problem is quest content isn't meant to be an epic struggle. It's there to tell a story with some fights in between.Or have you been getting stronger....
But yeah, overland content is easy everywhere. That's just how it is. No real way to increase the difficulty without hurting the casual questers.
I agree the current level is a little bit silly with a fully trials geared CP690 character but this content isn't balanced around us, the new trial however is.
Exactly what I wanted to say. I think the main point of overland content is to enjoy the story, quests and zone, not challenge yourself. That's what trials/PVP is for.1 -
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As I said the reason so many of us (at least the vocal forums ones) find it so easy is because we know the mechanics inside out, we have played for years to reach high CP and legendary gear.Do it on a server or with an account where you have no CP, no gold nor mats to gear up. Do it at level 4.
Even then your previous experience with the game will should make it much easier for you than for the lowest common denominator player overland content MUST be designed for.
Post a video... we'll wait.
When the game was first released, when mobs would destroy you, I was also brand new to the game, and I asked for help if I needed help. It is an mmo, be social.
And in order to get a new account with lvl 4 id have to repurchase the game, and or delete my current toons, which wnt happen. I have had this argument with people on swtor and posted a video of me punch a world boss champion to death naked, do you really want me to do that? No one is saying it should be impossibly difficult like a vet dungeon, but at least make people switch their neocortex on. I will however make a video fighting naked with no cp allocated only using the first 3 abilities you get. Showing how easy it is.
Stand by.
To make the game challenging and require a brain for people at our level you're going to make it a harsh and unforgiving environment for the new players.
Also as I said before story content is about telling a story, not about grinding through trash which doesn't enhance that.
This is something I leant recently running my pen and paper RP games. I was always annoyed with how easy it was for my players to destroy all the trash encounters, but then I realised that they should be doing that, they're heroes. The hard fights should be reserved for when the big bosses and epic story beats happen.
Which in ESO for the most part they are. Yes we can destroy the story boss in 5 seconds with our CP 690 min/max destro ulti but someone who's C130, hasn't maxed their skills or gear and is still playing a hybrid because they don't know how to build strong characters isn't going to walk through that fight.
I recently took the time to help a random player who whispered me. They were level 20 in Morrowind and doing the quest where you fight to guy to get the staff back. They told me they'd been there for two hours and couldn't beat it so they wanted help.
I went in and helped, holding back so he got a good sense of achievement and afterwards they told me how crazy powerful I was. I simply explained it was level, build and knowledge. Then proceeded to teach them some mechanics to help them out.
These are the players who will suffer and leave the game because the veterans demand everything meet their level. Us veterans have content for our level, any of the vet group content in the game.
Maybe when everyone is soloing hard mode no death vAS we can talk about how the game is too easy, but until then why don't we stop trying to make the game worse for new players and start realising maybe it's easy because we got good and the easy of the content is a reflection of our successes.
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