Uncracked Transmution Geode - ZOS, stop fixing RNG with more RNG!

michalmack · October 2017

Would u rather it be only one crystal at a time or a chance for more? If u want say 3 crystals at a time they would prob make it take three times the amount of crystals to retrait. This is a token system to shorten the grind not to instantly give you that perfect weapon.

Liofa · October 2017

I opened 12 geodes . NONE of them dropped more than 3 . Same thing with my friends . Never seen anyone getting more than 3 from a geode . Obviously chance gets lower and lower as the amount goes up . RNG within RNG . ZOS being ZOS , doing ZOS things

Greevir · October 2017

I'm sure we'll be able to buy them from the crown store soon, don't worry.

Shadzilla · October 2017

rootimus wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert

Tagging them won't help - the first two will have to google what you're talking about and Richard Lambert will say something along the lines of "you know you don't have to geode here right [sic]?".

LOL.

zaria · October 2017

Liofa wrote: »

I opened 12 geodes . NONE of them dropped more than 3 . Same thing with my friends . Never seen anyone getting more than 3 from a geode . Obviously chance gets lower and lower as the amount goes up . RNG within RNG . ZOS being ZOS , doing ZOS things

Look like the took code from the crown crates

How did you get 12 so fast? running pledges and random dungeons on multiple character or reward for the worthy, looks like PvP is better for farming.
Even weirder, back during midyear mayhem I got an rain of rewards on low level characters I leveled assault on.

code65536 · October 2017

Sigh.

Yes, this is basically token system that we've all been clamouring for. I stated that in the original post. And yes, of course this is better than nothing. I never said it wasn't.

And somehow that means this system is beyond criticism? That it has no flaws? What nonsense.

If the purple geode yields are supposed to be low, then make them always drop 2 crystals instead of a gamble that averages out to 2 in the long term. I'm not asking for a higher crystal drop rate: I'm asking for a drop rate that isn't tied to yet another layer of RNG. Frankly, the reliance on RNG in this game is revolting, and having this token system--that is supposed to be a relief to the RNG problem--be yet another layer of RNG is just insulting.

MissBizz · October 2017

Insandros wrote: »

so you're whining cuz you got 8 crytals in one day? they say it's now 50 crystal for a transmute now, so if you get 5-8 crystals per days, in less than 8 days you got your pefect traited weapons.... now, do the maths how much time it took you to get a specific wepaon in a specific trait.. ask people who ran vMA, or any trials or any dungeons how many runs or time/months they passed on it? Now, sit back, and realy, enjoy the crystals. And BTW they didn't take the crystal out to fix an RNG, but to give you an alternative way t get what you want, key word here being an ALTERNATIVE, not the primary way... so i still will aime more with crystals than farming a single dungeon.

EDIT: As to let you know, if you run on a single toon, 1 vet Random, it gives you, guranted at least 2 crystals, you run the 3 pledges, another 3 crystals, so on a single toon you are guranteed 5 crystals, not talking about RNG for more than 1 on containers, if you do pledges on other toons and daily, anotehr 5 etc.. in other words, no matter what, just having one toon on the worste case scenario, you will get your perfect trait weapon, undaunted helmet or shoulders in 10 days, worste can happens.. i never got something i wanted that fast as looting them in dungeon. But i cannot blame people that want to be geared perfectly on all toons in one day.

@Insandros What? I received a Fine (green) transmutation geode from my vet random today. Double checked the video that we did vet random and that's what we all received. What geode did you get for vet random?

[edit] Fine green transmutation geodes give only one crystal, there is no range.

Integral1900 · October 2017

Well, wasted the time to run three vet dungeons, not a trace of a crystal yet, at this rate I should be transmuting my first item some time after hell freezes over

TelvanniWizard · October 2017

Death to RNG!

code65536 · October 2017

Integral1900 wrote: »

Well, wasted the time to run three vet dungeons, not a trace of a crystal yet, at this rate I should be transmuting my first item some time after hell freezes over

We ran the HotR dungeons a few times in vet HM. Not a single crystal for anyone in the runs. But that's okay, because the motifs are a much more valuable reward--at least there's no RNG in the motif drop rate if you activate HM!

Azurya · October 2017

why you need so much of that stuff?

Ackwalan · October 2017

Integral1900 wrote: »

Well, wasted the time to run three vet dungeons, not a trace of a crystal yet, at this rate I should be transmuting my first item some time after hell freezes over

Do the daily undaunted pledges, not random dungeons.

Feanor · October 2017

Completing AS on normal dropped 5 for me yesterday. Guess I got lucky.

Horowonnoe · October 2017

Erraln wrote: »

Skip the geodes and get in the habit of clearing all trial coffers on your combat characters each week. 5 gems per normal, right?

I got several 50 gem geodes and 5 gem. Just need to run the content. I got 75 crystals in like 1.5 hours. Some from pvp, some from i think - -the weekly trial leaderboard? Not sure where it came from but somehow i got a bunch of them. So excited to retrait all those weapons i kept : D

Rawkan · October 2017

"fixing RNG with RNG"

we WoW now

Huyen · October 2017

Trading one grind for another one...yay!

Qbiken · October 2017

If you do the math it´s quite easy to get the amount of crystals that you need. In my opinion the easiest way is from weekly containters from normal trials.

MoL + SO + HRC + Asylum + AA + HoF = 30 crystals from one character. Since you get a coffer that will contain 5 crystals. Now do this on a few characters and you´ll have enough crystals without any problems. These trials (even with a pug group) takes rougly 15-20 minutes at maximum. So in total you´ll spend around 3-4 hours before you can re-trait the stuff you want, which in my opinion is quite fair.

Edit: If you´re good at vMA and can place yourself on the leaderboards (which is very easy on DK, Templar and Warden) you can earn a lot of crystals as well. I got 35 crystals from doing that. But doing normal trials with your characters are by far the fastest way. Don´t farm veteran dungeons or PvP (rewards of the worthy) if you´re after farming crystals.

1. Go to Craglorn, Stormhaven, Mournhold, Grathwood or Clockwork city
2. Make sure you´ve a character that haven´t done any of the normal trials the last week (or else you won´t get a coffer)
3. Wait for people that write LF X more players for nTrial
4. Ez

SickDuck · October 2017

I can totally feel OP with this issue.

Now let’s wait for a couple of weeks and throw the “omg zos raise the cap on crystals asap!!!1” in the pack too.

Vanzen · October 2017

Easiest imho is pvp first reward of the worthy each day. Already got 20 crystals with 2 chars in half an hour ...

Pele · October 2017

I'm glad I am now guaranteed to get the exact gear I want, and I can now know exactly when I will get said gear (at the latest).

Milvan · October 2017

Is people really complaining about that? I mean the system is actually pretty smooth. I did 4 pledges yesterday plus a couple of boss drops and got 10 transmutation crytal total. I'm not even grinding I just did the regular stuff that I do everyday and got 10 crytals. So we got 1 trait change per week average. It seems okay to me.

Edit: Plus, I know that this isn't a excuse at all, but I missed ESO RNG after playing BDO for a few months.

Jurand80 · October 2017

i have a fix for you. everything drops one crystal. there - no rng. just tokens

Kahina · October 2017

It didn't matter what drop rate they provided. People were going to cry salty tears of doom regardless.

Hamiltonmath · October 2017

My mind is blown away at the number of people who are upset that, after 1 day, cannot get best in slot gear. What an entitled lot you are

tommalmm · October 2017

Actually, I find that the transmute crystals are WAAAAY too easy to get. It was meant to give you a possibility to get your desired trait when RNG was not in your favor, while instead it might become the easiest way to do it. Just look how easy it is to get the crystals (my own example):

First rewards for the worthy per character per day is guaranteed to give you uncracked geode (5-25 crystals).
Seven day campaign end rewards (no leaderboard) - 10 crystals
vMA leaderboard - 10 crystals
each vMA run - 5 (or 4? I don't remember) crystals (not worth it unless it is a leaderboard run)
Daily random - 1 crystal per character
Daily pledge x3 per character - uncracked geode (1-10 crystals)
Dungeon boss - a chance to get a crystal.

Basically a few minutes in Cyrodiil per each character is the fastest way to farm crystals. You don't even have to be good or prepared, just be there at the right spot. Then the campaign rewards once per week, then leaderboards (PVP, trials, vMA), then vMA/trials themselves (it takes longer to cmplete trial), then pledges, randoms and dungeons.

One evening and I've got more than I actually needed. True, I had to alter my daily habits a bit (I never dive into cyrodiil on all my characters), but it's WAAAAY too easy to get them. In some cases I've got lucky and got a lot of crystals, in others I've got the minimal amount.

But, at the same time, people that play PVP mostly (not me, I play PVP every now and then), won't have to spend that much time farming in PVE anymore, which is a good thing, IMO.

dsalter · October 2017

code65536 wrote: »

I've received 4 of these purple-quality Uncracked Transmution Geodes today:

Geode #1: 5 crystals

Geode #2: 1 crystal

Geode #3: 1 crystal

Geode #4: 1 crystal

I guess I had a very bad string of luck. But why is the system even set up to make this possible? Specifically, why do purple geodes drop anywhere from 1 to 10 crystals?

maybe THIS was the inspiration? anything below 5 would annoy you, same as this system.

Insandros · October 2017

MissBizz wrote: »

Insandros wrote: »

so you're whining cuz you got 8 crytals in one day? they say it's now 50 crystal for a transmute now, so if you get 5-8 crystals per days, in less than 8 days you got your pefect traited weapons.... now, do the maths how much time it took you to get a specific wepaon in a specific trait.. ask people who ran vMA, or any trials or any dungeons how many runs or time/months they passed on it? Now, sit back, and realy, enjoy the crystals. And BTW they didn't take the crystal out to fix an RNG, but to give you an alternative way t get what you want, key word here being an ALTERNATIVE, not the primary way... so i still will aime more with crystals than farming a single dungeon.

EDIT: As to let you know, if you run on a single toon, 1 vet Random, it gives you, guranted at least 2 crystals, you run the 3 pledges, another 3 crystals, so on a single toon you are guranteed 5 crystals, not talking about RNG for more than 1 on containers, if you do pledges on other toons and daily, anotehr 5 etc.. in other words, no matter what, just having one toon on the worste case scenario, you will get your perfect trait weapon, undaunted helmet or shoulders in 10 days, worste can happens.. i never got something i wanted that fast as looting them in dungeon. But i cannot blame people that want to be geared perfectly on all toons in one day.

@Insandros What? I received a Fine (green) transmutation geode from my vet random today. Double checked the video that we did vet random and that's what we all received. What geode did you get for vet random?

[edit] Fine green transmutation geodes give only one crystal, there is no range.

@MissBizz What i meant is, if you run a random vet for your first time/day, you are guanranteed 2 crystals (1 for random vet you always get + 1 for first random/day of the Worthy (your green mailed Geode) I simply listed the minimal crystals you can get by running your 3 pledges and a random per day on a toon. That was listed the guaranted minimum you can get by these accessible to everyone activities, these can of course change if trials are ran etc... but listed the mister and misses all access and easy geodes without any weeklies or monthlies.

MissBizz · October 2017

Insandros wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Insandros wrote: »

so you're whining cuz you got 8 crytals in one day? they say it's now 50 crystal for a transmute now, so if you get 5-8 crystals per days, in less than 8 days you got your pefect traited weapons.... now, do the maths how much time it took you to get a specific wepaon in a specific trait.. ask people who ran vMA, or any trials or any dungeons how many runs or time/months they passed on it? Now, sit back, and realy, enjoy the crystals. And BTW they didn't take the crystal out to fix an RNG, but to give you an alternative way t get what you want, key word here being an ALTERNATIVE, not the primary way... so i still will aime more with crystals than farming a single dungeon.

EDIT: As to let you know, if you run on a single toon, 1 vet Random, it gives you, guranted at least 2 crystals, you run the 3 pledges, another 3 crystals, so on a single toon you are guranteed 5 crystals, not talking about RNG for more than 1 on containers, if you do pledges on other toons and daily, anotehr 5 etc.. in other words, no matter what, just having one toon on the worste case scenario, you will get your perfect trait weapon, undaunted helmet or shoulders in 10 days, worste can happens.. i never got something i wanted that fast as looting them in dungeon. But i cannot blame people that want to be geared perfectly on all toons in one day.

@Insandros What? I received a Fine (green) transmutation geode from my vet random today. Double checked the video that we did vet random and that's what we all received. What geode did you get for vet random?

[edit] Fine green transmutation geodes give only one crystal, there is no range.

@MissBizz What i meant is, if you run a random vet for your first time/day, you are guanranteed 2 crystals (1 for random vet you always get + 1 for first random/day of the Worthy (your green mailed Geode) I simply listed the minimal crystals you can get by running your 3 pledges and a random per day on a toon. That was listed the guaranted minimum you can get by these accessible to everyone activities, these can of course change if trials are ran etc... but listed the mister and misses all access and easy geodes.

Once we completed or random vet dungeon our count only went up by one. Did one drop from the final boss by chance for you? That's only a chance. Out of 3 vet dungeons and 2 normals, the group I ran with never had a crystal drop from a final boss, as it's RNG and only a chance. So you only have a chance at 2, you are gaurenteed one.

Insandros · October 2017

MissBizz wrote: »

Insandros wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Insandros wrote: »

so you're whining cuz you got 8 crytals in one day? they say it's now 50 crystal for a transmute now, so if you get 5-8 crystals per days, in less than 8 days you got your pefect traited weapons.... now, do the maths how much time it took you to get a specific wepaon in a specific trait.. ask people who ran vMA, or any trials or any dungeons how many runs or time/months they passed on it? Now, sit back, and realy, enjoy the crystals. And BTW they didn't take the crystal out to fix an RNG, but to give you an alternative way t get what you want, key word here being an ALTERNATIVE, not the primary way... so i still will aime more with crystals than farming a single dungeon.

EDIT: As to let you know, if you run on a single toon, 1 vet Random, it gives you, guranted at least 2 crystals, you run the 3 pledges, another 3 crystals, so on a single toon you are guranteed 5 crystals, not talking about RNG for more than 1 on containers, if you do pledges on other toons and daily, anotehr 5 etc.. in other words, no matter what, just having one toon on the worste case scenario, you will get your perfect trait weapon, undaunted helmet or shoulders in 10 days, worste can happens.. i never got something i wanted that fast as looting them in dungeon. But i cannot blame people that want to be geared perfectly on all toons in one day.

@Insandros What? I received a Fine (green) transmutation geode from my vet random today. Double checked the video that we did vet random and that's what we all received. What geode did you get for vet random?

[edit] Fine green transmutation geodes give only one crystal, there is no range.

@MissBizz What i meant is, if you run a random vet for your first time/day, you are guanranteed 2 crystals (1 for random vet you always get + 1 for first random/day of the Worthy (your green mailed Geode) I simply listed the minimal crystals you can get by running your 3 pledges and a random per day on a toon. That was listed the guaranted minimum you can get by these accessible to everyone activities, these can of course change if trials are ran etc... but listed the mister and misses all access and easy geodes.

Once we completed or random vet dungeon our count only went up by one. Did one drop from the final boss by chance for you? That's only a chance. Out of 3 vet dungeons and 2 normals, the group I ran with never had a crystal drop from a final boss, as it's RNG and only a chance. So you only have a chance at 2, you are gaurenteed one.

@MissBizz
Weird then i got really lucky and should feel thanful for it i presume, cuz all random vet i've done i got a purple uncracked geodes on last boss, even i was pissed cuz Veli didn't gave me a motif but the geodes, at one point i never believed at RNG as i'Ve seen in Alcast video running Vet random guaranted one and got them on each randoms i've ran, maybe 4, only second normal random i tried to see if they also gave some but i never got anything after the first daily random on normal which gave a blue geode (1 to 3 crystals), but random vet i always got one geode, guess i was lucky last night. i'll try later tonight after work, but i don'T believe RNGesus loves me that much, never happened before

But i got to admit all pruple geodes mostly only gave me 1 crystal, 2 of them had more than 1 so my luck stoped there.

Qbiken · October 2017

tommalmm wrote: »

Actually, I find that the transmute crystals are WAAAAY too easy to get. It was meant to give you a possibility to get your desired trait when RNG was not in your favor, while instead it might become the easiest way to do it. Just look how easy it is to get the crystals (my own example):

First rewards for the worthy per character per day is guaranteed to give you uncracked geode (5-25 crystals).
Seven day campaign end rewards (no leaderboard) - 10 crystals
vMA leaderboard - 10 crystals
each vMA run - 5 (or 4? I don't remember) crystals (not worth it unless it is a leaderboard run)
Daily random - 1 crystal per character
Daily pledge x3 per character - uncracked geode (1-10 crystals)
Dungeon boss - a chance to get a crystal.

Basically a few minutes in Cyrodiil per each character is the fastest way to farm crystals. You don't even have to be good or prepared, just be there at the right spot. Then the campaign rewards once per week, then leaderboards (PVP, trials, vMA), then vMA/trials themselves (it takes longer to cmplete trial), then pledges, randoms and dungeons.

One evening and I've got more than I actually needed. True, I had to alter my daily habits a bit (I never dive into cyrodiil on all my characters), but it's WAAAAY too easy to get them. In some cases I've got lucky and got a lot of crystals, in others I've got the minimal amount.

But, at the same time, people that play PVP mostly (not me, I play PVP every now and then), won't have to spend that much time farming in PVE anymore, which is a good thing, IMO.

vMA leaderboard is 5, not 10