Uncracked Transmution Geode - ZOS, stop fixing RNG with more RNG!

code65536

I've received 4 of these purple-quality Uncracked Transmution Geodes today:

• Geode #1: 5 crystals
• Geode #2: 1 crystal
• Geode #3: 1 crystal
• Geode #4: 1 crystal

I guess I had a very bad string of luck. But why is the system even set up to make this possible? Specifically, why do purple geodes drop anywhere from 1 to 10 crystals? Just make them drop 5 crystals. Done. Or if you really must spice it up with some RNG, make it drop 4-7 crystals. But 1-10? That's a whole order of magnitude between the lower and upper end.

The infuriating part of this is that transmutation is ZOS's token system to alleviate the problem of RNG in loot drops. And this token system is highly RNG based. Yea, that's exactly what the players wanted.

Anyway, there's a simple solution here: narrow the range of the geodes' drops. 1-10 is just ridiculous, as it's a 10x difference between the top and bottom. Add 3 to the bottom range, subtract 3 from the top, make it 4-7 so the range is not so ridiculously wide. Whatever you do, stop shoving more RNG in our face.

code65536

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert

Horowonnoe

Omg so agree. Zos please.

Teeba_Shei

I've opened two 4 to 25 geodes and i received 4 and 5 crystals. The others I opened were also very low. It appears that the chance of getting high crystals is weighted against you.

Insandros

so you're whining cuz you got 8 crytals in one day? they say it's now 50 crystal for a transmute now, so if you get 5-8 crystals per days, in less than 8 days you got your pefect traited weapons.... now, do the maths how much time it took you to get a specific wepaon in a specific trait.. ask people who ran vMA, or any trials or any dungeons how many runs or time/months they passed on it? Now, sit back, and realy, enjoy the crystals. And BTW they didn't take the crystal out to fix an RNG, but to give you an alternative way t get what you want, key word here being an ALTERNATIVE, not the primary way... so i still will aime more with crystals than farming a single dungeon.

EDIT: As to let you know, if you run on a single toon, 1 vet Random, it gives you, guranted at least 2 crystals, you run the 3 pledges, another 3 crystals, so on a single toon you are guranteed 5 crystals, not talking about RNG for more than 1 on containers, if you do pledges on other toons and daily, anotehr 5 etc.. in other words, no matter what, just having one toon on the worste case scenario, you will get your perfect trait weapon, undaunted helmet or shoulders in 10 days, worste can happens.. i never got something i wanted that fast as looting them in dungeon. But i cannot blame people that want to be geared perfectly on all toons in one day.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

But it is fun and exciting to click stuff over and over again to see if you ‘win’! We all remember how much fun we have skinning fish right?

code65536

Synapsis123 wrote: »

It appears that the chance of getting high crystals is weighted against you.

Whether or not the distribution is even, there is a long-term expected average. Maybe it's not smack-dab-in-the-middle 5. Maybe it's just 2 or 3. Whatever it is, I'd much rather that they just give us that intended average instead of shoving more RNG in our faces for the system that was designed to be the release valve for RNG.

Insandros wrote: »

so you're whining cuz you got 8 crytals in one day? they say it's now 50 crystal for a transmute now, so if you get 5-8 crystals per days, in less than 8 days you got your pefect traited weapons.... now, do the maths how much time it took you to get a specific wepaon in a specific trait.. ask people who ran vMA, or any trials or any dungeons how many runs or time/months they passed on it? Now, sit back, and realy, enjoy the crystals. And BTW they didn't take the crystal out to fix an RNG, but to give you an alternative way t get what you want, key word here being an ALTERNATIVE, not the primary way... so i still will aime more with crystals than farming a single dungeon.

There isn't anything that I want to retrait right now, so I don't care how quickly I accumulate them. What I do care is that this grotesque love for RNG that ZOS has that they would pollute the system that's intended to be the escape hatch from RNG with... more RNG. This game at times feels like one gigantic lottery.

kojou

Somehow I had a feeling this was going to happen...

Banana

Rng is all they know and no its not exciting

AlienatedGoat

ZOS'd again.

Acrolas

Why can't I make a pair of gloves out of the geodes, put a trait stone on each knuckle, and call them my Infinite RNG Gauntlets?

#FirstWorldAdventurerProblems

zaria

Insandros wrote: »

so you're whining cuz you got 8 crytals in one day? they say it's now 50 crystal for a transmute now, so if you get 5-8 crystals per days, in less than 8 days you got your pefect traited weapons.... now, do the maths how much time it took you to get a specific wepaon in a specific trait.. ask people who ran vMA, or any trials or any dungeons how many runs or time/months they passed on it? Now, sit back, and realy, enjoy the crystals. And BTW they didn't take the crystal out to fix an RNG, but to give you an alternative way t get what you want, key word here being an ALTERNATIVE, not the primary way... so i still will aime more with crystals than farming a single dungeon.

EDIT: As to let you know, if you run on a single toon, 1 vet Random, it gives you, guranted at least 2 crystals, you run the 3 pledges, another 3 crystals, so on a single toon you are guranteed 5 crystals, not talking about RNG for more than 1 on containers, if you do pledges on other toons and daily, anotehr 5 etc.. in other words, no matter what, just having one toon on the worste case scenario, you will get your perfect trait weapon, undaunted helmet or shoulders in 10 days, worste can happens.. i never got something i wanted that fast as looting them in dungeon. But i cannot blame people that want to be geared perfectly on all toons in one day.

Complain is not number of crystals its the rng, in an system designed to combat bad rng, yes its better than the 5% x 2% we have many places but still stupid, lower the span.

zaria

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

Somehow I had a feeling this was going to happen...

We heard you liked RNG so here is some RNG on your RNG

Saucy_Jack

Hahahahahaha you people are ridiculous. How many threads were made in the forums about blah blah blah we need a token system because the grind for best-trait gear is too long. Now it's in. Even if it took you a week to save enough tokens to change one piece of gear into the best trait for your build, the RNG was such in the old system that the odds of you getting that piece of gear in a week's worth of runs wasn't really in your favour.

And now you're complaining that this token system will take you "too long" to retrait your gear? Even though they stated that getting the upper-end amount of crystals from the geodes would be a rarity?

Come on. Get outta here with all this. When life gives you lemons, eat your dang lemons.
When ZOS changes the lemons to steak, don't complain that it's not grass-fed, free-range, filet mignon. Just eat your dang steak, and be glad you don't have to suck down lemons anymore.

D0PAMINE

Saucy_Jack wrote: »

Hahahahahaha you people are ridiculous. How many threads were made in the forums about blah blah blah we need a token system because the grind for best-trait gear is too long. Now it's in. Even if it took you a week to save enough tokens to change one piece of gear into the best trait for your build, the RNG was such in the old system that the odds of you getting that piece of gear in a week's worth of runs wasn't really in your favour.

And now you're complaining that this token system will take you "too long" to retrait your gear? Even though they stated that getting the upper-end amount of crystals from the geodes would be a rarity?

Come on. Get outta here with all this. When life gives you lemons, eat your dang lemons.
When ZOS changes the lemons to steak, don't complain that it's not grass-fed, free-range, filet mignon. Just eat your dang steak, and be glad you don't have to suck down lemons anymore.

Agreed

nraner81

D0PAMINE wrote: »

Saucy_Jack wrote: »

Hahahahahaha you people are ridiculous. How many threads were made in the forums about blah blah blah we need a token system because the grind for best-trait gear is too long. Now it's in. Even if it took you a week to save enough tokens to change one piece of gear into the best trait for your build, the RNG was such in the old system that the odds of you getting that piece of gear in a week's worth of runs wasn't really in your favour.

And now you're complaining that this token system will take you "too long" to retrait your gear? Even though they stated that getting the upper-end amount of crystals from the geodes would be a rarity?

Come on. Get outta here with all this. When life gives you lemons, eat your dang lemons.
When ZOS changes the lemons to steak, don't complain that it's not grass-fed, free-range, filet mignon. Just eat your dang steak, and be glad you don't have to suck down lemons anymore.

Agreed

THIS THIS THIS THIS!!!!!!!
my 80ish runs of vma and 500+ runs of ncoa1 say QUIT WHINING!!!!!! about 50 crystals..... they would give me 1 and I'd be happy.

VirtualElizabeth

I guess I don't understand the issue?? I thought it was pretty clear that you need 40 plus crystals to transmute an item AND you got one for each Vet level activity you ran. Is there something I am missing here?

Turelus

Saucy_Jack wrote: »

Hahahahahaha you people are ridiculous. How many threads were made in the forums about blah blah blah we need a token system because the grind for best-trait gear is too long. Now it's in. Even if it took you a week to save enough tokens to change one piece of gear into the best trait for your build, the RNG was such in the old system that the odds of you getting that piece of gear in a week's worth of runs wasn't really in your favour.

And now you're complaining that this token system will take you "too long" to retrait your gear? Even though they stated that getting the upper-end amount of crystals from the geodes would be a rarity?

Come on. Get outta here with all this. When life gives you lemons, eat your dang lemons.
When ZOS changes the lemons to steak, don't complain that it's not grass-fed, free-range, filet mignon. Just eat your dang steak, and be glad you don't have to suck down lemons anymore.

Pretty much this.

It's a token system to make people doing 50 runs and not getting a perfect weapon a way of getting one, not a regear to perfect gear on day one system.

Chufu

Indeed, I am happy too with that new system. Even with bad luck of the geodes you have your weapon with perfect trait much more earlier than before like running 500 times Maelstrom and don't get what you want.

And it's not boring, because you still need to do something.

BrianDavion

Don't see this as a FIX, see it as an "insurance" this way if you farm for weeks you at least don't need to worry about not getting the right trait

kargen27

The way I see it while you are farming for the gear you will be getting a bonus in the way of these crystals. So when you do finally get the piece you want you will already be close to giving it the trait you want.

If you already have the weapon rejoice. You now know that weapon will soon be perfect for you.

PlagueSD

I like it. Instead of having to run ICP or WGT to get the gear AND trait, I just need to run them to get the gear. I can then run EASIER Vet level dungeons to get the crystals to change the item trait.

Marabornwingrion

Here are my today's results:

- vet non dlc pledge HM (vEH I) - 1 crystal
- another vet non dlc pledge HM (vBH) - 2 crystals
- vet dlc pledge HM (vWGT) - 2 crystals
- random normal dungeon (nCoA II) - 1 crystal
- loot from boss in random normal dungeon (nCoA II) - 1 crystal


+ I did one vBF HM run, and one vFH HM run (for motifs) - none of the bosses dropped geodes.

umagon

I haven’t compared the exact acquisition time frames, but I when I saw transmutation on pts I got the feeling it was more a decoy mechanic. Mainly designed to make players feel that they can lower the acquisition time on obtaining desired traits for items. But in reality, it just ether made those times longer or kept them relatively the same; while giving zos a reason to charge for the service under the guise that it will make getting desired traits faster. Basically, it’s a con game.

NotNormanBates

Saucy_Jack wrote: »

Hahahahahaha you people are ridiculous. How many threads were made in the forums about blah blah blah we need a token system because the grind for best-trait gear is too long. Now it's in. Even if it took you a week to save enough tokens to change one piece of gear into the best trait for your build, the RNG was such in the old system that the odds of you getting that piece of gear in a week's worth of runs wasn't really in your favour.

And now you're complaining that this token system will take you "too long" to retrait your gear? Even though they stated that getting the upper-end amount of crystals from the geodes would be a rarity?

Come on. Get outta here with all this. When life gives you lemons, eat your dang lemons.
When ZOS changes the lemons to steak, don't complain that it's not grass-fed, free-range, filet mignon. Just eat your dang steak, and be glad you don't have to suck down lemons anymore.

Couldn't of put it more eloquently. Chill with the BS. If you absolutely have to have perfect trait gear then this system allows you to retrait the gear you just couldn't get when farming. Last patch made it so 3 or more traits on weapons are situationally bis and are within a percent or so of the best trait for the situation. Which definitely cut down farm time. Not to mention cp and mundus help cover it.

ZoS gave us a retrait system, be glad they decided to give you a chance to get 10+ stones at a time. They could of just said "**** it, we'll leave it at 1 stone per activity" and would still of been better then never getting the weapon you want.

Nyghthowler

Synapsis123 wrote: »

I've opened two 4 to 25 geodes and i received 4 and 5 crystals. The others I opened were also very low. It appears that the chance of getting high crystals is weighted against you.

That's the way the game is set up. The RNG is shitastic. Yes, there are people who disagree and say they have good luck receiving items, but they are the minority.

rootimus

code65536 wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert

Tagging them won't help - the first two will have to google what you're talking about and Richard Lambert will say something along the lines of "you know you don't have to geode here right [sic]?".

Jaimeh

I think RNG is a way to make players keep playing, but now instead of farming an instance for an item with a given trait, we will farm crystals. All things considered, I prefer the latter, because the crystals will accumulate from activities I was going to be participating in anyway, but I don't think there's ever going to be a non-heavy-RNG element prevalent in the game unfortunately. Oh, and my yield from three of these uncracked geodes were four crystals in total: one from each of the first two geodes and two from the last one. Those invigorating/decisive items won't be going anywhere anytime soon

Ir0nB34r

Insandros wrote: »

so you're whining cuz you got 8 crytals in one day? they say it's now 50 crystal for a transmute now, so if you get 5-8 crystals per days, in less than 8 days you got your pefect traited weapons.... now, do the maths how much time it took you to get a specific wepaon in a specific trait.. ask people who ran vMA, or any trials or any dungeons how many runs or time/months they passed on it? Now, sit back, and realy, enjoy the crystals. And BTW they didn't take the crystal out to fix an RNG, but to give you an alternative way t get what you want, key word here being an ALTERNATIVE, not the primary way... so i still will aime more with crystals than farming a single dungeon.

EDIT: As to let you know, if you run on a single toon, 1 vet Random, it gives you, guranted at least 2 crystals, you run the 3 pledges, another 3 crystals, so on a single toon you are guranteed 5 crystals, not talking about RNG for more than 1 on containers, if you do pledges on other toons and daily, anotehr 5 etc.. in other words, no matter what, just having one toon on the worste case scenario, you will get your perfect trait weapon, undaunted helmet or shoulders in 10 days, worste can happens.. i never got something i wanted that fast as looting them in dungeon. But i cannot blame people that want to be geared perfectly on all toons in one day.

This was incredibly insightful. People saw the Transmutation system as a way out of a grind. That's not at all what it is for. As others have mentioned it is a CAP on the amount you have to grind. You are receiving additional rewards for content you were already doing. This wasn't ever supposed to be easy mode, just an end to the grinding road.

For example, I did not want to farm vet bloodroot for a BiS earthgore helm trait. I'd rather eat dirt than do that. But with Transmutation the amount of times I have to run vet bloodroot is exactly once (assuming others will give you the helm type you need) and I will continue running other far easier dungeons to transmute the trait on that earthgore.

Doctordarkspawn

It's shamefull, it's stupid, but then again, what do you expect?

Erraln

Skip the geodes and get in the habit of clearing all trial coffers on your combat characters each week. 5 gems per normal, right?