Bahrah's Gloom - "The First" far too overpowered for a solo delve.

KRBMMO · October 2017

OrbitStorm wrote: »

Have spent the last hour trying to down "The First", which is easily my most complicated solo delve experience yet, with no luck. Despite having 24k stamina at CP25, I'm getting nowhere.

Not only is this boss rather fast, he has an AOE snatch and his whirlwind is unavoidable without sprinting for 10-15 seconds, by which time, you've burnt through most of your stamina and have no way to use spells/skills to actually do damage. As a nightblade, I cannot use max stam or stam recovery food or I wouldn't be able to take a hit at all (using health recovery food atm). Nightblades cannot effectively tackle this boss, which is ridiculous.

Yes, I've tried asking for assistance in /zone. No, there are no other players doing this delve because, well, no one plays. I'm currently in three guilds, one of which is a trading guild, and neither of these guilds (despite having a substantial number of players online), are interested in lending a hand.

Seems this game is much too reliant on grouping for a mostly-dead, apathetic community.

Consider nerfing this boss a bit to make solo play possible. Thanks.

DLC Bosses and even Delve Bosses are supposed to be more challenging. You should be able to solo it at CP 25, though. If you can't the reason is you don't know some basics:
Use Stamina potions - you should have TONS.
Use cloak if you need a few seconds to recover
Never run on a Stamina NB. Do ANYTHING but run. Hop, roll, whatever anything but run. Remember that when you dodge roll you have about 1-2 seconds after the animation ends when the dodge is still active. So space your dodge rolls with several seconds in between.
Have you tried using a bow with scattershot, venom arrow, volley, etc? Keep your distance and use skills that interrupt his cast. If he's chasing you use trap beast (Fighters guild) or something to root him like agony. So trap beast - volley - venom arrow and if he tries to cast - scattershot then swap bars to buff up then rinse repeat. I haven't done that one in over a year, so if something I said doesn't work just adapt. Also just for kicks put some poison on that bow again you should have tons.

KRBMMO · October 2017

KRBMMO wrote: »

OrbitStorm wrote: »

Have spent the last hour trying to down "The First", which is easily my most complicated solo delve experience yet, with no luck. Despite having 24k stamina at CP25, I'm getting nowhere.

Not only is this boss rather fast, he has an AOE snatch and his whirlwind is unavoidable without sprinting for 10-15 seconds, by which time, you've burnt through most of your stamina and have no way to use spells/skills to actually do damage. As a nightblade, I cannot use max stam or stam recovery food or I wouldn't be able to take a hit at all (using health recovery food atm). Nightblades cannot effectively tackle this boss, which is ridiculous.

Yes, I've tried asking for assistance in /zone. No, there are no other players doing this delve because, well, no one plays. I'm currently in three guilds, one of which is a trading guild, and neither of these guilds (despite having a substantial number of players online), are interested in lending a hand.

Seems this game is much too reliant on grouping for a mostly-dead, apathetic community.

Consider nerfing this boss a bit to make solo play possible. Thanks.

DLC Bosses and even Delve Bosses are supposed to be more challenging. You should be able to solo it at CP 25, though. If you can't the reason is you don't know some basics:
Use Stamina potions - you should have TONS.
Use cloak if you need a few seconds to recover
Never run on a Stamina NB. Do ANYTHING but run. Hop, roll, whatever anything but run. Remember that when you dodge roll you have about 1-2 seconds after the animation ends when the dodge is still active. So space your dodge rolls with several seconds in between.
Have you tried using a bow with scattershot, venom arrow, volley, etc? Keep your distance and use skills that interrupt his cast. If he's chasing you use trap beast (Fighters guild) or something to root him like agony. So trap beast - volley - venom arrow and if he tries to cast - scattershot then swap bars to buff up then rinse repeat. I haven't done that one in over a year, so if something I said doesn't work just adapt. Also just for kicks put some poison on that bow again you should have tons.

When I get home late tonight I'll try that one on my level 25 stamblade without CP and if any of my advice needs adjusted I'll repost tomorrow.

Drummerx04 · October 2017

Do you have the hasty retreat bow passive (the one where dodge roll gives you major expedition) or any other skill that gives speed? Just kite him around and heavy attack from range or something.

CP or not, I don't think there is a single delve boss that can't be handled with a good application of dots and ultimate and a dodge roll here and there.

Also, if you haven't leveled up ANY NB skill lines, then that's really not an excuse for not having access to healing options. It would be like a magsorc claiming that magsorc has super poor survivability because they haven't leveled up the skill lines to access surge, a pet, or conjured ward. You are just reaching for pity where there is none to be dispensed at that point.

OrbitStorm · October 2017

Drummerx04 wrote: »

You are just reaching for pity where there is none to be dispensed at that point.

This post was never about "pity". If I wanted pity, I'd have trumpeted the "new player" line with far more emphasis. I'd have begged for assistance, a guild, or what have you. What I did do is offer a new player's perspective and refute another poster's assertion that I have a myriad of tools at my disposal for survivability when in fact, it's really only about two.

You were so close to having a constructive response worth reading but couldn't resist taking a shot at the end. Seems to be the norm on this forum when it comes to new players. Still not reaching for pity, just pointing out a fact.

As with the other guy, see yourself out of this thread at your earliest convenience.

Sixty5 · October 2017

Ran this today, and didn't find it that bad at all, that being said, I'm running max level gear and sitting at over 600cp

Honestly my best advice is to run some other content, hit cp 160 and get geared up. Gear and Champion points can make a huge difference in solo performance.

OrbitStorm · October 2017

Sixty5 wrote: »

Ran this today, and didn't find it that bad at all, that being said, I'm running max level gear and sitting at over 600cp

Honestly my best advice is to run some other content, hit cp 160 and get geared up. Gear and Champion points can make a huge difference in solo performance.

Finding the grind on CP to quite easy. Wasn't expecting that, to be honest. Already sitting at CP55 after just a few hours. I'm sure more established players rank up much quicker than I have but I figure I'll probably push for CP75 then head back for another try.

Urza1234 · October 2017

Delve content isnt even noticeable unless you are either braindead or in gear that is -extremely- underleveled.
I've been into that specific delve a few times recently to get skyshards on alts in blue quality gear, fought that delve boss as an afterthought on the way, not a noticeable experience.
Basically OP, the game doesnt really even start until you are at least CP 160 in 160 gear.
Getting to CP 160 in the first place is a pretty horrible experience as far as actual game mechanics go; you're poor, you're constantly outleveling your gear, you dont have half your skills.... yeah not pleasant.
This is why I craft training gear, enchants, & food in increments of 10 levels for the half dozen friends I have gotten to play this game.

Sixty5 · October 2017

OrbitStorm wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

Ran this today, and didn't find it that bad at all, that being said, I'm running max level gear and sitting at over 600cp

Honestly my best advice is to run some other content, hit cp 160 and get geared up. Gear and Champion points can make a huge difference in solo performance.

Finding the grind on CP to quite easy. Wasn't expecting that, to be honest. Already sitting at CP55 after just a few hours. I'm sure more established players rank up much quicker than I have but I figure I'll probably push for CP75 then head back for another try.

The first few CP levels are really easy to get, you'll honestly just blow through them, things get a lot easier once you hit 160 and get real gear.

Urza1234 · October 2017

Sixty5 wrote: »

OrbitStorm wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

Ran this today, and didn't find it that bad at all, that being said, I'm running max level gear and sitting at over 600cp

Honestly my best advice is to run some other content, hit cp 160 and get geared up. Gear and Champion points can make a huge difference in solo performance.

Finding the grind on CP to quite easy. Wasn't expecting that, to be honest. Already sitting at CP55 after just a few hours. I'm sure more established players rank up much quicker than I have but I figure I'll probably push for CP75 then head back for another try.

The first few CP levels are really easy to get, you'll honestly just blow through them, things get a lot easier once you hit 160 and get real gear.

Depends on Enlightened, you can run out of enlightened xp before you hit 160 if you spam too hard. My advice is play only until you are out of enlightened experience each day until you hit 160. Take your time, go outside.

code65536 · October 2017

You mentioned health recovery. That's a completely worthless stat in this game. As people have hinted at, the key to survival in this game is active defense: specifically, self-healing and blocking or dodging heavy attacks (the yellow squiggle telegraphs that you're taught about in the tutorial). Don't kite--you're wasting your resources sprinting away and bow light attacks hit for nothing. Drop your Veil of Blades ultimate, stand your ground, keep yourself healed (Bloodthirst and Blood Craze are both good and easily accessible), dodge/block the heavy hitters, and do damage. If your stats are decent (15K health, 30K stam after food), the fight should be easy even if you have no CP.

Urza1234 · October 2017

code65536 wrote: »

You mentioned health recovery. That's a completely worthless stat in this game. As people have hinted at, the key to survival in this game is active defense: specifically, self-healing and blocking or dodging heavy attacks (the yellow squiggle telegraphs that you're taught about in the tutorial). Don't kite--you're wasting your resources sprinting away and bow light attacks hit for nothing. Drop your Veil of Blades ultimate, stand your ground, keep yourself healed (Bloodthirst and Blood Craze are both good and easily accessible), dodge/block the heavy hitters, and do damage. If your stats are decent (15K health, 30K stam after food), the fight should be easy even if you have no CP.

30k stam after food, hah.
7958 base stam, 7104 stam from atributes, 3960 from stam enchants on gear and 2520 from jewelry, 5065 at best from food he can find, 398 from the 25 green CP he has so far. Thats 27005 at best and if he has that much invested in stam he wont have any HP.
He posted originally that he has 24k stam, so he's probably outleveling his gear a bit, which is not surprising, but it really kicks your stats in the nads.

But uh, OP, if you take anything to heart here, believe all the people telling you that Health Recovery is trash, it really is. It is the worst stat in the game.

code65536 · October 2017

Urza1234 wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

You mentioned health recovery. That's a completely worthless stat in this game. As people have hinted at, the key to survival in this game is active defense: specifically, self-healing and blocking or dodging heavy attacks (the yellow squiggle telegraphs that you're taught about in the tutorial). Don't kite--you're wasting your resources sprinting away and bow light attacks hit for nothing. Drop your Veil of Blades ultimate, stand your ground, keep yourself healed (Bloodthirst and Blood Craze are both good and easily accessible), dodge/block the heavy hitters, and do damage. If your stats are decent (15K health, 30K stam after food), the fight should be easy even if you have no CP.

30k stam after food, hah.
7958 base stam, 7104 stam from atributes, 3960 from stam enchants on gear and 2520 from jewelry, 5065 at best from food he can find, 398 from the 25 green CP he has so far. Thats 27005 at best and if he has that much invested in stam he wont have any HP.
He posted originally that he has 24k stam, so he's probably outleveling his gear a bit, which is not surprising, but it really kicks your stats in the nads.

But uh, OP, if you take anything to heart here, believe all the people telling you that Health Recovery is trash, it really is. It is the worst stat in the game.

Any character below CP160 gets scaling bonuses. 25K stam is fine, too, whatever. I said 30K simply because it was a nice round number.

Koensol · October 2017

OrbitStorm wrote: »

Drummerx04 wrote: »

You are just reaching for pity where there is none to be dispensed at that point.

This post was never about "pity". If I wanted pity, I'd have trumpeted the "new player" line with far more emphasis. I'd have begged for assistance, a guild, or what have you. What I did do is offer a new player's perspective and refute another poster's assertion that I have a myriad of tools at my disposal for survivability when in fact, it's really only about two.

You were so close to having a constructive response worth reading but couldn't resist taking a shot at the end. Seems to be the norm on this forum when it comes to new players. Still not reaching for pity, just pointing out a fact.

As with the other guy, see yourself out of this thread at your earliest convenience.

Frankly, OP, what people are trying to tell you is you are just wrong. Don't come in here with this air of "I know enough about the game to decide this boss is far too OP for a solo stamblade". We are trying to help you, but your attitude is really defensive. Try and be more open to suggestions, and to the possibility you might be doing something wrong. Not being condescending, just sharing my observation

Let me give you some tips on skills/gear/food to use, because there are a lot more options than 2. Trust me. Skills that will help you solo:
Vigor, rally, brawler, blood craze, bloodthirst, reaper's mark, leeching strikes, shuffle/mirage, dark cloak/shadowy disguise, draining shot, killer's blade, blade cloak (reduces AoE damage you take by 20%), dark shades, blood altar and soul tether ultimate are skills that are all available to stam nb. Especially soul tether is amazing. It is literally 8 sec of godmode. If you are still dying, slot swallow soul (yes even on stamina it's okay to have it slotted for the passive) for 10% increased healing received.

For the 'harder encounters' such as the one you are facing, slapping on some defensive tools and abilities that provide healing will help you massively. With leeching strikes, blood craze and bloodthirst you already have really nice healing while doing damage. Try to use a light attack before each skill use, so you benefit from the heal of leeching strikes. Adding in blood altar will give you another heal. You can also use 2h so you get access to rally, a nice burst heal, and rally for a really good damage shield in AoE situations. If you use vigor as a heal (you will get it after 1 hour of pvp or so), and immediately after that use shadowy disguise (morph of cloak) all of its ticks will crit heal. A good combo is: use vigor + dodgeroll on bow bar for major expedition passive + shadowy disguise + bow heavy attack on boss. This way you get a breather, heals and some resources back.

For the rest, just keep your dots on the target and wear it down slowly. If you don't have the burst damage or regen yet, slow and steady wins the race. Also, try to use a shadow ability every so often, because it gives you major armor and spell resist buffs for a certain duration.

Good food to use:
Orzorga's trifle pocket: 5000 health and 500 stam regen. Then just put all attribute points and gear enchants into stamina. All weapon power glyphs on your jewelry so you will have higher dmg+heals. I would advise you to use serpent mundus stone. This together with above food will give you nice sustain needed for sprinting, dodging, blocking and interrupting.

Edit: Oh, and I forgot. Briarheart set is really awsome for stamina nightblades woth good crit rating. It is basically hundings rage with a heal attached. If you have a lot of dots ticking on the boss and a decent crit rating, it will help you significantly in staying alive. Plus it will increase your damage a lot. You can buy it in the market for really low prices so it is easy to get.

Trinity_Is_My_Name · October 2017

You are CP25 and can't beat this boss? I really don't see it as being difficult. If your character is 25K Stamina at CP25 that seems a bit low. All my Stam toons run 35K or higher.

Are you using Set gear or random dropped gear and what level is your gear? Honestly this boss is not difficult. I'm on PC NA and if you need a hand I will help. Same toon name as my screen name.

Good luck!

VaranisArano · October 2017

Briarheart is a good set, but I'd hesitate to advise non-crafted sets to anyone under CP 160. By the time he's ground enough pieces of Briarheart at his CP level, he's probably outleveled them, unless he knows a good route for chests in Wrothgar.

Koensol · October 2017

VaranisArano wrote: »

Briarheart is a good set, but I'd hesitate to advise non-crafted sets to anyone under CP 160. By the time he's ground enough pieces of Briarheart at his CP level, he's probably outleveled them, unless he knows a good route for chests in Wrothgar.

Yea you are right, I forgot about the cp25. But it is just something to think about for later. He shouldn't need that set to stay alive if he uses the tools available to him.

Asardes · October 2017

I've leveled 3 characters and kept them in level 44 blue training gear even after I hit 50, and implicitly CP with it. I had absolutely no trouble killing everything in non-instanced content alone, except world bosses; I did end up soloing a few of those too. All completely unbuffed, or buffed only with the bread I found in various places. So I gimped myself down to or even under the stats of a low CP player. But my gear was set gear, 5 Armor of the Seducer 3 Torug's Pact on Magicka, 5 Hunding's Rage 3/4 Night Mother's Gaze on Magicka and I used the proper skills, some sort of rotations etc. Not being able to kill a delve or public dungeon boss is 100% a L2P issue regardless of level or CP. And people there gave plenty of useful suggestions that, if followed, would have allowed anyone to beat that boss.