Templar jabs need to become a soft cc like they used to be. Give Templars shards the stun again. How I see it magplars are kind of locked in a one hit combo such as purifying light, vamps bane , skoria , soul assault combo. All of which has no counterplay that combo is just a one shot combo that has no counter to it at all. Rather than making that their bread and butter skill the class needs help in other areas. Why is the Templar gap closer so trashy ..... it like never works at all. I say zos needs to nerf skoria damage and make it dodgeable, make purifying light dodgeable and make soul assault have the counters it used to have. But zos needs to buff Flare somehow or give it a chance to instant cast like crystal frags do, make shards cc again cause Templars need a better cc, made jabs and puncturing sweeps act as a soft cc like it used to, and make toppling charge cc through block cause it is easily countered by either stunning the opponent or by just dodgerolling it. Templar needs a little love and make cleansing ritual give Templar a temporary immunity to snares like shuffle does. Nerf perma blocking though cause that is what I see most Templars doing at any given time. The class has great healing and survivability it just needs help for open world situations and offensive windows.

@ZOS_Wrobel

CalmFury wrote: »

About Solar Barrage and Healing Ritual changes, I have now a saved and pinned Evernote note that I'll go back to every single patch note so I just need to copy and paste to save time for the next 5 years:

CAST. TIMES. DO. NOT. WORK. IN. ESO. PLEASE. GIVE. UP. THAT. IDEA. FOR. ANY. AND. EVERY. SKILL.

Dark Flare is good enough to justify having a cast time, but I agree that melee-ranged damage like Solar Barrage or short-ranged healing skills like Healing Ritual just do not make sense having channeled cast times.

SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »

CalmFury wrote: »

Now, cast time for healing skills is just absurd...

Not necessarily. What's absurd is the cast time with a burst heal at the end. That's completely useless. A cast time is antithetical to the purpose of a burst heal, not healing in general. The cast time would be ok if the heal were a heal-over-time. There are two ways devs could fix this skill: (1) Make it a strong channeled heal that ticks multiple times during the cast rather than a single burst at the end. (2) Make it a weak heal-over-time aura that ticks every 0.5-1 secs, centered on the Templar, for a long duration. In either case, we should get Major Mending. A HoT with a cast time would fit nicely in a rotation, just put down your Ritual, Regen, and/or Healing Springs first then cast. This would fix the skill and put it on Templar bars for the first time since ever.

I would consider using Healing Ritual if it healed for the entire duration of the channel.

SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »

CalmFury wrote: »

Now, cast time for healing skills is just absurd...

Not necessarily. What's absurd is the cast time with a burst heal at the end. That's completely useless. A cast time is antithetical to the purpose of a burst heal, not healing in general. The cast time would be ok if the heal were a heal-over-time. There are two ways devs could fix this skill: (1) Make it a strong channeled heal that ticks multiple times during the cast rather than a single burst at the end. (2) Make it a weak heal-over-time aura that ticks every 0.5-1 secs, centered on the Templar, for a long duration. In either case, we should get Major Mending. A HoT with a cast time would fit nicely in a rotation, just put down your Ritual, Regen, and/or Healing Springs first then cast. This would fix the skill and put it on Templar bars for the first time since ever.

It would be much better as a strong channel. Take the current heal and split it 5 ways and have it pulse at 0, .4, .8, 1.2. 1.6 second marks.

Would be the strongest AoE heal in the game, but the drawback would be that it is an interruptible channel.

Saint_Bud wrote: »

Some plans on blazing shield. It should be reworkt like cdb, scalling with max magicka and spelldamage or just remove the cyrodebuff and hardcap it . The shield is just to small to be usefull.

I always find this suggestion annoying as it is meant to be a shield for tanks and in general I would have liked to see shields had gotten this Blazing treatment.

SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »

CalmFury wrote: »

Now, cast time for healing skills is just absurd...

Not necessarily. What's absurd is the cast time with a burst heal at the end. That's completely useless. A cast time is antithetical to the purpose of a burst heal, not healing in general. The cast time would be ok if the heal were a heal-over-time. There are two ways devs could fix this skill: (1) Make it a strong channeled heal that ticks multiple times during the cast rather than a single burst at the end. (2) Make it a weak heal-over-time aura that ticks every 0.5-1 secs, centered on the Templar, for a long duration. In either case, we should get Major Mending. A HoT with a cast time would fit nicely in a rotation, just put down your Ritual, Regen, and/or Healing Springs first then cast. This would fix the skill and put it on Templar bars for the first time since ever.

A channeled heal would be awesome! Then they could also make it benefit from Sacred Ground.

Fuxo wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Saint_Bud wrote: »

Some plans on blazing shield. It should be reworkt like cdb, scalling with max magicka and spelldamage or just remove the cyrodebuff and hardcap it . The shield is just to small to be usefull.

I always find this suggestion annoying as it is meant to be a shield for tanks and in general I would have liked to see shields had gotten this Blazing treatment.

Templar tanks should not be forced into 60k+ health for usable blazing shield. They don't need that much health in the first place. It could be maxed at around 30k health and then improved by the number of nearby enemies like now. That way it could also be usable by stamplars, if they invested a bit into health.

Well this is the problem with the developers getting rid of overcharging (diminishing returns) isn't it? This has a lot of unintended consequences that are very difficult to get rid of. Personally I think Tanks should be about massive regeneration, and not ludicrous health/magic/stam numbers. Its always a delicate balance though, which is why I was concerned when they stripped away diminishing returns. The end result immediately was that some races at the time were garbage.

So many useless skills

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Saint_Bud wrote: »

Some plans on blazing shield. It should be reworkt like cdb, scalling with max magicka and spelldamage or just remove the cyrodebuff and hardcap it . The shield is just to small to be usefull.

I always find this suggestion annoying as it is meant to be a shield for tanks and in general I would have liked to see shields had gotten this Blazing treatment.

I think the problem with shields is that max magicka buffs damage and most shields. So, they don't have to sacrifice damage for survivability; they just get both.

So yes, all shields should really work like Sun Shield and they should probably make spell/weapon damage the only damage affecting stats, other than crit chance, and leave max magicka/stamina as sustain stats so people can either build for burst or build for sustain or build for the middle but lower of both. This would probably mean needing main armor enchants for spell damage added to the game just like jewelry has an option for max stats versus spell damage.
If you actually think about it, this would really be a good idea that could balance out the whole problem of focusing on max magicka/stamina above all other stats while allowing much more build freedom and hybrid sets to finally be worth it.

There is so much about what you wrote that I agree with. Choices between sustain and damage, choices between damage and resiliency, etc. I've really never liked the idea that damage output should also equate with being tougher. I'm fine with damage dealers having skills to resist with, but it should not be on par with someone built to be resilient.

danno8 wrote: »

Yes it would seem that Unstable Core will apply the end of timer explosion even if the target is CC immune, just not the reflect part. That is fair, although I do question whether the "explode and refresh" on recast should occur given the strength of the skill.

The reflect portion still won't work at all on anything other than trash mobs, so this is only a PvP skill Imo. Albeit a strong one now.

My Templar senses are tingling, I sense a nerf before live.

I shall quote myself and simply say "called it".

Edit: Editing most of the fluff. Strikethroughs are for the topics im removing from my post.

@Cinbri
Lol they are going to fix the timebomb ignoring cc immunity.
EDit: Cinbri said the chain burst bug will be fixed - My bad

@Minno No, they won't.
They will remove chain explosion of each bomb upon cast. Currently it like spammable Curse

@ZOS_GinaBruno Is there anyway for us to communicate how a CC immunity being granted from a non-cc ability won't make it on our bars come live?
We will need to have the team look in total dark. It is still suffering from the cc immunity limitation that UC did before we communicated the unblockable dmg through the cc immunity.

UC/TD on live:

- applied a small dmg regardless of cc immunity.
- TD actually reflects entire dmg so it doesn't hit your health. and you cannot CC break it so the enemy has to decide to use a non-reflect ability for less dmg or wait out the duration.
- UC gives out a small burst comparable to valkyn skoria, but its blockable and high cost so most players refused to use it (you can see in my video posts, I run out of mag with consistent casts trying to get it to stick targets).
- TD being a survivabilty utility with UC being focused on AOE timed dmg.

Compared to PTS:

- UC is unblockable (buff!)
- TD/UC reflects a flat value and dmg still hits you (nerf)
- UC timebomb can be placed on cc immunity (no change from live, but your patch notes today would make it a nerf because it would cause mag drain if you try to cast it on a cc immunity enemy.)
- TD/UC is cc breakable (nerf or buff depending on situation. If you are trying to break their stam its a buff, but if you are trying to protect yourself or deal dmg its a nerf)
- both TD and UC look to be intended for utility/defense (no morph distinction like on live morph have distinction like on live)


There is no risk/reward mechanic for the target on pts; It is all reward with the risk entirely on the person using it:
- cc immunity being granted will allow target to continue to burst unharmed (and cc immunity pots will give them this without harming their stam pool, BTW)
- the reflect dmg component doesn't limit the incoming dmg for us trying to use it for defense,
- templars are locked out of using an actual cc ability afterwards to save them from future incoming burst (that is still incoming, given that some builds can tag in a few hits with their reliable stuns now that you gave unblockable cc like candy).
- no dmg or debuffs when target has cc immunity effectively granting them the chance to run/be defensive instead of offensive. (other cc spells from other classes/abilities impact their chance to heal/run/deal burst.)

Are we asking for too much? Are we not providing enough videos/photos/numbers? What is the intent for the spell; crowd control or dmg/healing? How do you want us to use this ability?

I feel like we are in a disconnect here and I want to remedy this. And we still need to remedy ongoing issues like jabs/radiant destruction scaling incorrectly, empowering sweeps missing on some initial targets, jabs loosing some healing because of major mending but then our major mending removed without jabs having its healing returned, etc. I think we laid out those, via Cinbri's excellent posts.

This could have been our answer to why you didn't want to give templars unblocked cc. Instead it's still hovering around that point where no one knows how to fit it in our limited rotation, or knows why its still being developed when there are also other problems with the templar toolkit in PvP.