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Cheating We Can Stop It
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Chronicburn✭✭✭✭TBH ... who really cares? This game has one foot in the grave already. Just try and enjoy what's left of it.6 -
Synfaer✭✭✭✭✭Cheating We Can Stop It?
nope
If I was Ms Swift, i guess i'd sing;
Cheaters always gonna cheat, cheat, cheat...2 -
MetalHead4x4✭✭✭Hey ZOS I thought cheat engine no longer worked with ESO. So why would you block links to it if it doesn't work? You know people use it, you know it still works in your game, and all of us PvPers who know the difference when someone is obviously cheating are taking all the *** from the deniers that YOU should be taking.PC/NA Daevyen the Warlock (Sorc)6 -
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To be fair to ZOS the video literally listed cheat engine sites, exploit sites and gold selling sites. Whilst the intent was good it was a giant advertising video for the things ZOS doesn't want advertised. I'm not sure I know any MMO company that would allow that information to remain posted on their forums for too long.MetalHead4x4 wrote: »Hey ZOS I thought cheat engine no longer worked with ESO. So why would you block links to it if it doesn't work? You know people use it, you know it still works in your game, and all of us PvPers who know the difference when someone is obviously cheating are taking all the *** from the deniers that YOU should be taking.
The arguments could be made without naming or showing the specific sites. This has always been the tricky line we have to walk when we talk about the subject as we want (need) to keep pressure on but also can't be doing the work of those sites by advertising them.
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To be fair to ZOS the video literally listed cheat engine sites, exploit sites and gold selling sites. Whilst the intent was good it was a giant advertising video for the things ZOS doesn't want advertised. I'm not sure I know any MMO company that would allow that information to remain posted on their forums for too long.MetalHead4x4 wrote: »Hey ZOS I thought cheat engine no longer worked with ESO. So why would you block links to it if it doesn't work? You know people use it, you know it still works in your game, and all of us PvPers who know the difference when someone is obviously cheating are taking all the *** from the deniers that YOU should be taking.
The arguments could be made without naming or showing the specific sites. This has always been the tricky line we have to walk when we talk about the subject as we want (need) to keep pressure on but also can't be doing the work of those sites by advertising them.
It's just silly to me . As said before in this thread , people that want to find that stuff will no matter what , they just google it . Being off the forums doesn't stop anyone looking for cheats to find them . Very silly to think it ever would . ZOS needs a third party monitoring system like other games enforce for security and active GMs to ban anyone slipping through the cracks . Not worrying about forums giving somethings that are public information .6 -
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That's true yes, but there are some who don't actively think to look but when it's shown go "ah, I should go get that". We all know it happens and we all know some players will seek it out, however advertising it's possible will only cause more people to consider it.Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
To be fair to ZOS the video literally listed cheat engine sites, exploit sites and gold selling sites. Whilst the intent was good it was a giant advertising video for the things ZOS doesn't want advertised. I'm not sure I know any MMO company that would allow that information to remain posted on their forums for too long.MetalHead4x4 wrote: »Hey ZOS I thought cheat engine no longer worked with ESO. So why would you block links to it if it doesn't work? You know people use it, you know it still works in your game, and all of us PvPers who know the difference when someone is obviously cheating are taking all the *** from the deniers that YOU should be taking.
The arguments could be made without naming or showing the specific sites. This has always been the tricky line we have to walk when we talk about the subject as we want (need) to keep pressure on but also can't be doing the work of those sites by advertising them.
It's just silly to me . As said before in this thread , people that want to find that stuff will no matter what , they just google it . Being off the forums doesn't stop anyone looking for cheats to find them . Very silly to think it ever would . ZOS needs a third party monitoring system like other games enforce for security and active GMs to ban anyone slipping through the cracks . Not worrying about forums giving somethings that are public information .
As I said, we can talk about the issues and the video was really good, it just maybe shouldn't have listed the exact sites/names and had them fill screen.
ZOS can do a lot of things to stop these issues in ESO but sadly there is some red tape or a block somewhere which keep stopping it from happening. Unless there is mass bad press or something upsets the marketing I don't see any changes happening.
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That's true yes, but there are some who don't actively think to look but when it's shown go "ah, I should go get that". We all know it happens and we all know some players will seek it out, however advertising it's possible will only cause more people to consider it.Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
To be fair to ZOS the video literally listed cheat engine sites, exploit sites and gold selling sites. Whilst the intent was good it was a giant advertising video for the things ZOS doesn't want advertised. I'm not sure I know any MMO company that would allow that information to remain posted on their forums for too long.MetalHead4x4 wrote: »Hey ZOS I thought cheat engine no longer worked with ESO. So why would you block links to it if it doesn't work? You know people use it, you know it still works in your game, and all of us PvPers who know the difference when someone is obviously cheating are taking all the *** from the deniers that YOU should be taking.
The arguments could be made without naming or showing the specific sites. This has always been the tricky line we have to walk when we talk about the subject as we want (need) to keep pressure on but also can't be doing the work of those sites by advertising them.
It's just silly to me . As said before in this thread , people that want to find that stuff will no matter what , they just google it . Being off the forums doesn't stop anyone looking for cheats to find them . Very silly to think it ever would . ZOS needs a third party monitoring system like other games enforce for security and active GMs to ban anyone slipping through the cracks . Not worrying about forums giving somethings that are public information .
As I said, we can talk about the issues and the video was really good, it just maybe shouldn't have listed the exact sites/names and had them fill screen.
ZOS can do a lot of things to stop these issues in ESO but sadly there is some red tape or a block somewhere which keep stopping it from happening. Unless there is mass bad press or something upsets the marketing I don't see any changes happening.
Red tape ? I don't think there any red tape . But whatever , it's not my problem anymore .0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »It's just silly to me . As said before in this thread , people that want to find that stuff will no matter what , they just google it . Being off the forums doesn't stop anyone looking for cheats to find them . Very silly to think it ever would . ZOS needs a third party monitoring system like other games enforce for security and active GMs to ban anyone slipping through the cracks . Not worrying about forums giving somethings that are public information .
I am not a lawyer, but I can imagine there are legal reasons why they should not allow that information on the forum.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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✭✭So who else on these forums wants to deny cheating occurs?
ZOS' silence is deafening. The integrity of this game is BROKEN. ZOS goes easy on players to collect their $15 a month. But in return gets a broken economy, broken pvp, nerf to entire combat systems, and thousands of people who quit the game because they cater to the cheater.Edited by Skoomah on October 12, 2017 11:09AM6 -
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To be fair to ZOS the video literally listed cheat engine sites, exploit sites and gold selling sites. Whilst the intent was good it was a giant advertising video for the things ZOS doesn't want advertised. I'm not sure I know any MMO company that would allow that information to remain posted on their forums for too long.MetalHead4x4 wrote: »Hey ZOS I thought cheat engine no longer worked with ESO. So why would you block links to it if it doesn't work? You know people use it, you know it still works in your game, and all of us PvPers who know the difference when someone is obviously cheating are taking all the *** from the deniers that YOU should be taking.
The arguments could be made without naming or showing the specific sites. This has always been the tricky line we have to walk when we talk about the subject as we want (need) to keep pressure on but also can't be doing the work of those sites by advertising them.
I would be personally under a different mindset, at least a tiny bit.
If ZoS had Cheating/Cheat Engine under control, i would of assumed a MOD would come to topic like this and state, that is impossible in ESO and if you try it we will ban your account with the detection software that we have running in ESO. Trying to damage control how many people see things like this by deleting topics isn't really damage control at all, it is just aesthetic. If your solid in your stance you have resources that combat this, let the fools try it, get busted and have to either buy a new account or leave - both good outcomes as it gets rid of the cheater faster, in my opinion.
We would hear more players complaining about there accounts being banned as forums and game accounts aren't linked.
We hear almost nothing from ZoS unless it is a Bethseda MOD sweeping up topics. Cheating and Exploiting thread has all but died because no feedback from ZoS even if you tag there names. Last ~2 weeks i have tagged many ZoS rep's and 0 replies, even on a topic that has ~9,200 views, hardly a small number that was asking for direction.
This encourages people to Cheat. No dynamic coding has encouraged this also like we are seeing people have abused Clever Alchemist for ~19 months and other sets for longer. An API that was left in it's state has also pushed the boundaries for some to have addons that others don't.
In my opinion again - time for something to happen other than good people leaving the game because they dont want to go down the cheating and exploiting routes and want a 'fair' or level playing ground.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭CE still works, and it's still being used. Probably more widely than any of us want to believe.
I've also got a working theory that it directly impacts lag, because the servers are slower to process the altered values that the cheater's clients are passing back. Have you ever noticed how there are some players and groups that you always have skill and damage lag against, and general performance issues, even during low pop times and away from big fights? Then when you move away from them, everything returns to normal? And the same play session, you can be in a long 30v30 battle with fine performance, as long as those players are not around?
I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist (except about @wrobel hating Templars), but I strongly feel that my theory has merit.Edited by Reverb on October 12, 2017 2:16PMBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche8 -
StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭do people use CE in VMA, vet trials etc or only PVP?
I get this feeling there is a bit of speed hacking - I see some people running like 5 times faster than me - just doesnt seem achievable with otherwise DPS gear etc1 -
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✭✭✭✭CE still works, and it's still being used. Probably more widely than any of us want to believe.
I've also got a working theory that it directly impacts lag, because the servers are slower to process the altered values that the cheater's clients are passing back. Have you ever noticed how there are some players and groups that you always have skill and damage lag against, and general performance issues, even during low pop times and away from big fights? Then when you move away from them, everything returns to normal? And the same play session, you can be in a long 30v30 battle with fine performance, as long as those players are not around?
I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist (except about @wrobel hating Templars), but I strongly feel that my theory has merit.
Hard to say really. The fact that is behind a paywall makes it a barrier to kids - so the majority who can get past that paywall probably know better..
Its a shame the OP couldn't go into details about what kind of thing CE does - it would go a long way to addressing some of the confusion on the forums, and help the upstanding community more accurately identify potential cheaters.
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Yeah, it seems like tagging the developers doesn't do anything anymore when it's in a thread about the cheating/ exploiting issues in the game.We hear almost nothing from ZoS unless it is a Bethseda MOD sweeping up topics. Cheating and Exploiting thread has all but died because no feedback from ZoS even if you tag there names.
@ZOS_EveP @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GaryA @ZOS_TristanK @ZOS_Wrobel @ZOS_Wolfram @ZOS_AmeliaR @ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_AntonioP
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StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭CE still works, and it's still being used. Probably more widely than any of us want to believe.
I've also got a working theory that it directly impacts lag, because the servers are slower to process the altered values that the cheater's clients are passing back. Have you ever noticed how there are some players and groups that you always have skill and damage lag against, and general performance issues, even during low pop times and away from big fights? Then when you move away from them, everything returns to normal? And the same play session, you can be in a long 30v30 battle with fine performance, as long as those players are not around?
I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist (except about @wrobel hating Templars), but I strongly feel that my theory has merit.
Hard to say really. The fact that is behind a paywall makes it a barrier to kids - so the majority who can get past that paywall probably know better..
Its a shame the OP couldn't go into details about what kind of thing CE does - it would go a long way to addressing some of the confusion on the forums, and help the upstanding community more accurately identify potential cheaters.
guessing here: speedhacking (subtle increase), increase all 3 regen to ~3000, hack CP? increase mitigation, pen ?
from what i remember, as long as the increased values are below theoretical limits and also dont arouse suspicion, then it might work? so nothing like 300k health, but apart from bases stats, lots of 'minor' stats could be up for hacking ?0 -
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Yeah, it seems like tagging the developers doesn't do anything anymore when it's in a thread about the cheating/ exploiting issues in the game.We hear almost nothing from ZoS unless it is a Bethseda MOD sweeping up topics. Cheating and Exploiting thread has all but died because no feedback from ZoS even if you tag there names.
@ZOS_EveP @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GaryA @ZOS_TristanK @ZOS_Wrobel @ZOS_Wolfram @ZOS_AmeliaR @ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_AntonioP
I also remember suggesting that Zose should give us regular stats (just numbers no names!) of people that were banned and for what reason - e.g. '241 players were permabanned last month for using a 3rd party hacking tool'
But I suspect the number is zero so nothing to report!
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If you've ever seen that screenshot Gina shared of how many notifications she has and the numbers they get daily then you'd probably realise how threads get missed.
Yeah, it seems like tagging the developers doesn't do anything anymore when it's in a thread about the cheating/ exploiting issues in the game.We hear almost nothing from ZoS unless it is a Bethseda MOD sweeping up topics. Cheating and Exploiting thread has all but died because no feedback from ZoS even if you tag there names.
Also if they don't have much to add (like no solutions) I am not sure how willing they're going to be to comment. I mean is anyone in this thread going to be happy with any comments they make?
They spoke about maybe doing that in the past but nothing came of it. However it's a two edged blade, where's you would be happy to see bots are being banned in numbers, it would reveal that those bots just keep coming back and people would use that as ammunition. As for CE or other exploits they have started giving us some idea of the numbers banned when they do bans.StackonClown wrote: »
Yeah, it seems like tagging the developers doesn't do anything anymore when it's in a thread about the cheating/ exploiting issues in the game.We hear almost nothing from ZoS unless it is a Bethseda MOD sweeping up topics. Cheating and Exploiting thread has all but died because no feedback from ZoS even if you tag there names.
I also remember suggesting that Zose should give us regular stats (just numbers no names!) of people that were banned and for what reason - e.g. '241 players were permabanned last month for using a 3rd party hacking tool'
But I suspect the number is zero so nothing to report!@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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✭✭✭✭StackonClown wrote: »CE still works, and it's still being used. Probably more widely than any of us want to believe.
I've also got a working theory that it directly impacts lag, because the servers are slower to process the altered values that the cheater's clients are passing back. Have you ever noticed how there are some players and groups that you always have skill and damage lag against, and general performance issues, even during low pop times and away from big fights? Then when you move away from them, everything returns to normal? And the same play session, you can be in a long 30v30 battle with fine performance, as long as those players are not around?
I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist (except about @wrobel hating Templars), but I strongly feel that my theory has merit.
Hard to say really. The fact that is behind a paywall makes it a barrier to kids - so the majority who can get past that paywall probably know better..
Its a shame the OP couldn't go into details about what kind of thing CE does - it would go a long way to addressing some of the confusion on the forums, and help the upstanding community more accurately identify potential cheaters.
guessing here: speedhacking (subtle increase), increase all 3 regen to ~3000, hack CP? increase mitigation, pen ?
from what i remember, as long as the increased values are below theoretical limits and also dont arouse suspicion, then it might work? so nothing like 300k health, but apart from bases stats, lots of 'minor' stats could be up for hacking ?
I dunno.. I would have expected all the stats to be held server-side in their database, not sent by the client. Wasn't a lot of the processing moved to the server some time ago to stop cheating (and causing a lot of the cyrodiil lag ever since)?
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StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭StackonClown wrote: »CE still works, and it's still being used. Probably more widely than any of us want to believe.
I've also got a working theory that it directly impacts lag, because the servers are slower to process the altered values that the cheater's clients are passing back. Have you ever noticed how there are some players and groups that you always have skill and damage lag against, and general performance issues, even during low pop times and away from big fights? Then when you move away from them, everything returns to normal? And the same play session, you can be in a long 30v30 battle with fine performance, as long as those players are not around?
I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist (except about @wrobel hating Templars), but I strongly feel that my theory has merit.
Hard to say really. The fact that is behind a paywall makes it a barrier to kids - so the majority who can get past that paywall probably know better..
Its a shame the OP couldn't go into details about what kind of thing CE does - it would go a long way to addressing some of the confusion on the forums, and help the upstanding community more accurately identify potential cheaters.
guessing here: speedhacking (subtle increase), increase all 3 regen to ~3000, hack CP? increase mitigation, pen ?
from what i remember, as long as the increased values are below theoretical limits and also dont arouse suspicion, then it might work? so nothing like 300k health, but apart from bases stats, lots of 'minor' stats could be up for hacking ?
I dunno.. I would have expected all the stats to be held server-side in their database, not sent by the client. Wasn't a lot of the processing moved to the server some time ago to stop cheating (and causing a lot of the cyrodiil lag ever since)?
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If you've ever seen that screenshot Gina shared of how many notifications she has and the numbers they get daily then you'd probably realise how threads get missed.
Yeah, it seems like tagging the developers doesn't do anything anymore when it's in a thread about the cheating/ exploiting issues in the game.We hear almost nothing from ZoS unless it is a Bethseda MOD sweeping up topics. Cheating and Exploiting thread has all but died because no feedback from ZoS even if you tag there names.
Also if they don't have much to add (like no solutions) I am not sure how willing they're going to be to comment. I mean is anyone in this thread going to be happy with any comments they make?
They spoke about maybe doing that in the past but nothing came of it. However it's a two edged blade, where's you would be happy to see bots are being banned in numbers, it would reveal that those bots just keep coming back and people would use that as ammunition. As for CE or other exploits they have started giving us some idea of the numbers banned when they do bans.StackonClown wrote: »
Yeah, it seems like tagging the developers doesn't do anything anymore when it's in a thread about the cheating/ exploiting issues in the game.We hear almost nothing from ZoS unless it is a Bethseda MOD sweeping up topics. Cheating and Exploiting thread has all but died because no feedback from ZoS even if you tag there names.
I also remember suggesting that Zose should give us regular stats (just numbers no names!) of people that were banned and for what reason - e.g. '241 players were permabanned last month for using a 3rd party hacking tool'
But I suspect the number is zero so nothing to report!
When have they started to give ideas of numbers?? apart from maybe once 1 year ago?
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I'm pretty sure that was an actual performance test.StackonClown wrote: »
I also wondered if CP could be hacked with CE and if that was the reason for the 'no CP' trial ??
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/349008/skill-point-exploit-account-suspensionsStackonClown wrote: »When have they started to give ideas of numbers?? apart from maybe once 1 year ago?
Please provide details, links - thanks!
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3961106/#Comment_3961106
Those are the last two I remember.
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Yeah, it seems like tagging the developers doesn't do anything anymore when it's in a thread about the cheating/ exploiting issues in the game.We hear almost nothing from ZoS unless it is a Bethseda MOD sweeping up topics. Cheating and Exploiting thread has all but died because no feedback from ZoS even if you tag there names.
@ZOS_EveP @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GaryA @ZOS_TristanK @ZOS_Wrobel @ZOS_Wolfram @ZOS_AmeliaR @ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_AntonioP
Except only one of those is a dev and we haven't heard from him in a long while.Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.0 -
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Wrobel? He posted before the last ESO Live with updates in all the threads about class balance.
Yeah, it seems like tagging the developers doesn't do anything anymore when it's in a thread about the cheating/ exploiting issues in the game.We hear almost nothing from ZoS unless it is a Bethseda MOD sweeping up topics. Cheating and Exploiting thread has all but died because no feedback from ZoS even if you tag there names.
ZOS_EveP ZOS_GinaBruno ZOS_JessicaFolsom ZOS_GaryA ZOS_TristanK ZOS_Wrobel ZOS_Wolfram ZOS_AmeliaR ZOS_MattFiror ZOS_AntonioP
Except only one of those is a dev and we haven't heard from him in a long while.
Gina & Jess are the community people (and one's we're most likely to hear from), Matt is the President/CEO (whatever the official title is) and the others are either forums mods or people I don't know (sorry!).
Edit: Also I would like to point out every time you quote string with an @ name in it then it sends another ping. This is also part of the reason Gina/Jess become spammed with pings. If you can try to break the @ name or remove when quoting if you want to help topics be seen.
Edited by Turelus on October 12, 2017 3:17PM@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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