Cheating We Can Stop It

yodased

Turelus wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

1mirg wrote: »

KingMagaw wrote: »

We hear almost nothing from ZoS unless it is a Bethseda MOD sweeping up topics. Cheating and Exploiting thread has all but died because no feedback from ZoS even if you tag there names.

Yeah, it seems like tagging the developers doesn't do anything anymore when it's in a thread about the cheating/ exploiting issues in the game.

ZOS_EveP ZOS_GinaBruno ZOS_JessicaFolsom ZOS_GaryA ZOS_TristanK ZOS_Wrobel ZOS_Wolfram ZOS_AmeliaR ZOS_MattFiror ZOS_AntonioP

Except only one of those is a dev and we haven't heard from him in a long while.

Wrobel? He posted before the last ESO Live with updates in all the threads about class balance.

Gina & Jess are the community people (and one's we're most likely to hear from), Matt is the President/CEO (whatever the official title is) and the others are either forums mods or people I don't know (sorry!).

Edit: Also I would like to point out every time you quote string with an @ name in it then it sends another ping. This is also part of the reason Gina/Jess become spammed with pings. If you can try to break the @ name or remove when quoting if you want to help topics be seen.

Yeah wrobel is the only dev pinged there and he has 0 to do with cheating. I doubt Matt reads the forum and wheeler wasn't even included lol. The point is, devs don't interact here.

KingMagaw

Turelus wrote: »

If you've ever seen that screenshot Gina shared of how many notifications she has and the numbers they get daily then you'd probably realise how threads get missed.

So ZoS answer would be to ignore players/customers rather than get additional resources to address players/customers concerns? I don't know any other company that would employ a business practice like this. Last thread i was involved in had ~9,200 views, constantly tagging all sorts of ZoS employees and was closed rather than being addressed. 9,200 is not such a small number in my eyes.

Turelus wrote: »

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/349008/skill-point-exploit-account-suspensions
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3961106/#Comment_3961106

So we have a temp 3 day suspension for people who went out of there way to cheat and negatively impact players/customers who play legitimately?. 3 day suspensions is a slap on the wrist and by no means would it discourage others from doing so. It is not like some were unaware of what they were doing here.

Black boot AP farming. I know several who done this and i didn't do it. They also got a 3 day suspension but since everyone knew this resource was bugged, many players drained the ill gotten AP into motifs and other items. Those were not confiscated. Once again, hardly discouraging others from doing this in the future, they basically got rewarded. One friend i played with got ~6 million AP that was drained out before the suspension.


With the distinct lack of ZoS input and temporary suspensions with nothing being taken away from those gains, i do not see how anyone can wonder why Cheating/Exploiting is integral to ESO.

EDIT: I messed up quote tags

1mirg

KingMagaw wrote: »

With the distinct lack of ZoS input and temporary suspensions with nothing being taken away from those gains, i do not see how anyone can wonder why Cheating/Exploiting is integral to ESO.

That's what happens when the developers aren't harsh towards cheaters/exploiters. If all you do is give them a slap on the wrist then they'll just keep on doing it because they know they don't have to worry about any harsh punishments. This allows for bots, goldfarmers, and even cheat engine users to thrive. Which aren't the type of players you wanna keep ingame, you want to slam the door on them.

yodased wrote: »

Yeah wrobel is the only dev pinged there

To be honest, I just pinged alot of people with the ZOS_ thing and the first 5 where the first that popped up when I typed it in. If you wanna ping the correct people, be my guest but I pretty much just honestly am not expecting any real responses from the developers anymore about this issue. Hence why I just pinged anyone xD

Elsonso

KingMagaw wrote: »

So we have a temp 3 day suspension for people who went out of there way to cheat and negatively impact players/customers who play legitimately?. 3 day suspensions is a slap on the wrist and by no means would it discourage others from doing so. It is not like some were unaware of what they were doing here.

This is a casual game, not a professional sporting game. It is not unwarranted to do a slap on the wrist and allow the player to stop doing it. Repeat offenders are a different story, but unless they are doing something outright illegal, a suspension is OK for a first offense. I might be more inclined to increase it from three days, but not just permanently banning people for the first offense.

There is a reason why the courts don't just execute everyone who breaks the law the first time they do it.

As for letting them keep the reward from the cheating, it is very complicated to track down and correct the spoils from cheating. This is why it is important to act upon this stuff quickly. Hours, not days or weeks, is an appropriate response time.

KingMagaw

lordrichter wrote: »

This is a casual game, not a professional sporting game. It is not unwarranted to do a slap on the wrist and allow the player to stop doing it. Repeat offenders are a different story, but unless they are doing something outright illegal, a suspension is OK for a first offense. I might be more inclined to increase it from three days, but not just permanently banning people for the first offense.

As excusable as you make it - every player deserves to be on a fair and even playing field - that is inexcusable to me personally if someone wants to exploit and negatively impact other players. I agree on issues that are not clear, like farming a certain spot for skillpoints as decreasing the amount of time you level up, is hardly impacting other players playing experience.

Are botters and gold sellers getting a temporary suspension also?. Who is to know, might be there first offence but that is excusable?. Not to me personally. They know they are doing wrong installing and running these programs, a clear difference.

lordrichter wrote: »

As for letting them keep the reward from the cheating, it is very complicated to track down and correct the spoils from cheating. This is why it is important to act upon this stuff quickly. Hours, not days or weeks, is an appropriate response time.

I agree to act on it quickly but the majority of exploits have been policed by players, which i dont agree on. Like your analogy above, the regular person can help the Police by all means but they aren't supposed to be the police.

I dont agree that it is a complicated process to take again ill gotton gains from a player exploiting/cheating. It just takes time, obviously time ZoS were not willing to invest in, which as a customer/player who subscribes and supports the game with extra money shouldn't be an issue, not in my mindset.
Leaving this and excusing it, just encourages more to do it, how could it not? Do you think a thief gets to steal a car, given a suspended sentence by the courts and gets to keep the car?. Not where i come from anyway.

Additionally i have known players who got caught using CheatEngine, increasing stats beyond the maximum achievable in game. They got temporary suspensions and were back playing again, albeit the suspension was for 2 weeks. I cannot personally excuse anyone who downloads a 3rd party program and negatively impacts another customers playing experience. Doing so would simply encourage more to do it.

I also have been banned from forums for speaking on such issues as i have again today. I dont want to be banned again but i passionately feel Cheating and Exploiting needs seriously addressed and with more of a ZoS presence on forums.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

well how long has been now? 3 years? more? I came to the conclusion that if zos does nothing about it then it doesn't matter...

Skoomah

There is still not a zero tolerance policy. They keep letting the cheaters come back!

rfennell_ESO

Reverb wrote: »

CE still works, and it's still being used. Probably more widely than any of us want to believe.

I've also got a working theory that it directly impacts lag, because the servers are slower to process the altered values that the cheater's clients are passing back. Have you ever noticed how there are some players and groups that you always have skill and damage lag against, and general performance issues, even during low pop times and away from big fights? Then when you move away from them, everything returns to normal? And the same play session, you can be in a long 30v30 battle with fine performance, as long as those players are not around?

I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist (except about @wrobel hating Templars), but I strongly feel that my theory has merit.

There are always going to be those (and it's always the same group of suspects) that will claim it's all sour grapes from people beaten by their betters. That and the tried and true (and tired) l2p animation cancelling arguments.

I'll just add that I regularly see players that are super tanky, output high damage and never ever seem to run out of resources and I mostly play No-CP. I also see players that seem prescient regarding location of stealthed and/or invisible players. There's a lot of suspicious bs going on... From the no cp templar that can instantly heal to full with major defile on them to great many super speed whirlwinds of barrages of attacks you see.

Course the easy argument is "it's not CE" and it's likely right. Mostly because CE was compiled into an ESO version that is the one that people in the know about it abuse. I can't remember the names of the CE related programs, but I've heard them mentioned. So it's not CE that's being run, from what I've heard... if you try and run default CE you will get a 3 day ban nearly instantly. But the other programs that are based on CE, but have their levels or features set so they won't trigger the 3 day ban... are the problem. People know the names of these programs, one of them was the primary speed hack and regen hack one.

Lastly you have the rumor that Miat's was released to "the masses" because most of the "hardcore" cheats started using something even better. What's the name of that one?

Answers forthcoming? none.

Existence of A U T O H O T K E Y is another thing that's exploitative.

mongoLC

Part about certain players becoming total crap after each patch is very true hope others start noticing that.

ZOS_GinaBruno

Hey guys,

We know that cheating players and botters takes away from your experience in the game, and also affects important aspects such as the economy or scoring. We do take this very seriously, and appreciate everyone who brings these to our attention. For the record, we are aware of the sites called out from the OP. While we can’t discuss specifics, we do our best to combat sites and programs that encourage breaking our Terms of Service.

As far as what you can do to help, telling us is the first step. If you run across someone you believe is cheating (whether it’s botting or exploiting), please report them. You can do so in-game or simply by messaging a staff member on the forums (it can be me, Jess, or any of the moderators). Keep in mind our TOS team suspends and bans botting accounts daily, and investigations are prioritized based on the number of reports received.

Inhuman003

mongoLC wrote: »

Part about certain players becoming total crap after each patch is very true hope others start noticing that.

I notice stam Sorc is a good example of it too

kip_silverwolf

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys,

We know that cheating players and botters takes away from your experience in the game, and also affects important aspects such as the economy or scoring. We do take this very seriously, and appreciate everyone who brings these to our attention. For the record, we are aware of the sites called out from the OP. While we can’t discuss specifics, we do our best to combat sites and programs that encourage breaking our Terms of Service.

As far as what you can do to help, telling us is the first step. If you run across someone you believe is cheating (whether it’s botting or exploiting), please report them. You can do so in-game or simply by messaging a staff member on the forums (it can be me, Jess, or any of the moderators). Keep in mind our TOS team suspends and bans botting accounts daily, and investigations are prioritized based on the number of reports received.

Thankyou Gina.
For everyone, the bolded part is why it's important to report every bot you come across - please don't ignore them. I know it's difficult with bot trains, but even if you're able to report just one out of them, it's better than nothing. As a community, we need to band together and start sending the message that cheaters won't be tolerated.

And while we're on the subject of bot trains, @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom can you please look into the one in Rivenspire - PC/NA. They're running a path between Hinault Farm & Silverhoof Vale, killing all the Harpies. I'll private msg you a video. I've reported them many times.

Rohamad_Ali

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys,

We know that cheating players and botters takes away from your experience in the game, and also affects important aspects such as the economy or scoring. We do take this very seriously, and appreciate everyone who brings these to our attention. For the record, we are aware of the sites called out from the OP. While we can’t discuss specifics, we do our best to combat sites and programs that encourage breaking our Terms of Service.

As far as what you can do to help, telling us is the first step. If you run across someone you believe is cheating (whether it’s botting or exploiting), please report them. You can do so in-game or simply by messaging a staff member on the forums (it can be me, Jess, or any of the moderators). Keep in mind our TOS team suspends and bans botting accounts daily, and investigations are prioritized based on the number of reports received.

I believe you really believe all that Mrs Bruno but the history does not paint the same picture for some of Us . The cheating and exploits thread that was provided for the community to post all their concerns has gone without reaction or comment from ZoS a long long time. The CE meteor attacks that happened a long time ago was the first time we recieved any kind of response from ZoS , even though there were people posting about rampant cheating for years . It took a group of people completely disrupting the game until it was unplayable to finally get ZoS to do anything to stop it. Players were banned and then brought back. The message some of got was ZoS is lax on cheaters. It's ZOS's game though so we have to accept that's how it goes.

People report things all the time and still see the same exact botters and same exact people still in the game months later . I would not expect them to believe reporting resolves the cheating after so many unsuccessful attempts . This is the communities discouragement .

A lot of people are almost begging ZoS to hire GMs and police their own game instead of asking to police it for them and install a serious anti cheat program that doesn't get worked around in a couple weeks . That is what I believe people are trying to say is that the same old business as usual and hearing the same response is no longer working for them . They would like more from ZoS to keep the game fair for everyone and they want people ruining this gone .

Malamar1229

Does "investigating" cheaters mean inviting them out to your summit's or popping in on their streams? I know two streamers off hand who have abused cheat engine, hist bark bug, etc and having a previous history of cheating in games yet because they draw a larger sub base somehow they are still playing today.

I mean I love this game and believe it's the best MMO on the market but I just can't take it seriously anymore. I spent thousands on the crown store, hundreds supporting Sypher and others, pulled guilds over from other games....yet I am in Cyrodiil with players who admitted to using cheat engine on their Facebook groups or in their teamspeak/vent servers.

Yet you ban bots and gold sellers on site, which I get, but let's face are far less harmless than some of these players dragging everyone else through the mud. And since these players have high twitch subs, it looks like you just want the free marketing despite the lack of integrity from these 19 yr old kids.

1mirg

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

They would like more from ZoS to keep the game fair for everyone and they want people ruining this gone .

based on @ZOS_GinaBruno post. They are expecting people to continue reporting cheaters/bots like normal. But when it comes to reality. I don't see much or any of these reports being shown that they result in anything. Plus considering that they did infact lifted several accounts from being perma-banned 1 year, 3 months ago. I don't see how reporting anyone for cheating will do anything when the developers will just give cheaters a slap on the wrist.

People who cheat/ use exploits aren't the customers a mmo company wants to keep in the game. But zenimax seems to be thinking that's exactly the type of people they want to keep in the game. I've been lurking here since beta and i've yet to trust the developers when it comes down to dealing with blatant cheaters.

If they want to keep old customers like me, who spend 100s or even thousands of dollars on their crownstore. They better start treating the matter of dealing with cheaters/exploiters much more seriously. Otherwise people will stop playing and the only ones who'll still be playing are those who are cheating/ exploiting the game. Leaving you with nothing.

Based on how I currently play the game, I'm not effected much by cheaters. But still, it kinda nags at me how poor the developers handle dealing with the matter of cheaters/ exploiters in their mmo. They need to upgrade alot of things in the game client itself in order to prevent itself properly. Because as it was stated before in this thread. Elderscrolls Online is poorly protected from hackers.

Elsonso

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys,

We know that cheating players and botters takes away from your experience in the game, and also affects important aspects such as the economy or scoring. We do take this very seriously, and appreciate everyone who brings these to our attention. For the record, we are aware of the sites called out from the OP. While we can’t discuss specifics, we do our best to combat sites and programs that encourage breaking our Terms of Service.

As far as what you can do to help, telling us is the first step. If you run across someone you believe is cheating (whether it’s botting or exploiting), please report them. You can do so in-game or simply by messaging a staff member on the forums (it can be me, Jess, or any of the moderators). Keep in mind our TOS team suspends and bans botting accounts daily, and investigations are prioritized based on the number of reports received.

I believe you really believe all that Mrs Bruno but the history does not paint the same picture for some of Us . The cheating and exploits thread that was provided for the community to post all their concerns has gone without reaction or comment from ZoS a long long time. The CE meteor attacks that happened a long time ago was the first time we recieved any kind of response from ZoS , even though there were people posting about rampant cheating for years . It took a group of people completely disrupting the game until it was unplayable to finally get ZoS to do anything to stop it. Players were banned and then brought back. The message some of got was ZoS is lax on cheaters. It's ZOS's game though so we have to accept that's how it goes.

People report things all the time and still see the same exact botters and same exact people still in the game months later . I would not expect them to believe reporting resolves the cheating after so many unsuccessful attempts . This is the communities discouragement .

A lot of people are almost begging ZoS to hire GMs and police their own game instead of asking to police it for them and install a serious anti cheat program that doesn't get worked around in a couple weeks . That is what I believe people are trying to say is that the same old business as usual and hearing the same response is no longer working for them . They would like more from ZoS to keep the game fair for everyone and they want people ruining this gone .

This.

How many reports does it take to get the attention of ZOS? 5? 10? 50? 100? Do I have to stand there and rally the people in Zone chat so that enough will drop what they are doing and report bots to hit the magic number?

@Drummerx04 ... it is time to add a feature to your add-on? Send out a Zone message saying that there are reportable bots at <location>, come report them! Maybe you can work with some of the map pin add-on authors so that anyone running your add-on also gets a map pin set when someone else reports a bot by sending the "gps" coordinates through Zone chat.

None of this would be necessary of ZOS were really taking it seriously.

Thogard

Biro123 wrote: »

StackonClown wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

CE still works, and it's still being used. Probably more widely than any of us want to believe.

I've also got a working theory that it directly impacts lag, because the servers are slower to process the altered values that the cheater's clients are passing back. Have you ever noticed how there are some players and groups that you always have skill and damage lag against, and general performance issues, even during low pop times and away from big fights? Then when you move away from them, everything returns to normal? And the same play session, you can be in a long 30v30 battle with fine performance, as long as those players are not around?

I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist (except about @wrobel hating Templars), but I strongly feel that my theory has merit.

Hard to say really. The fact that is behind a paywall makes it a barrier to kids - so the majority who can get past that paywall probably know better..

Its a shame the OP couldn't go into details about what kind of thing CE does - it would go a long way to addressing some of the confusion on the forums, and help the upstanding community more accurately identify potential cheaters.

guessing here: speedhacking (subtle increase), increase all 3 regen to ~3000, hack CP? increase mitigation, pen ?
from what i remember, as long as the increased values are below theoretical limits and also dont arouse suspicion, then it might work? so nothing like 300k health, but apart from bases stats, lots of 'minor' stats could be up for hacking ?

I dunno.. I would have expected all the stats to be held server-side in their database, not sent by the client. Wasn't a lot of the processing moved to the server some time ago to stop cheating (and causing a lot of the cyrodiil lag ever since)?

This is correct. If you’ve ever been disconnected from the server but still “In game” you know exactly what you can and can’t do. Everything you can’t do is server side... the main things you CAN do are change position and block. That’s about it.

Drummerx04

lordrichter wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys,

We know that cheating players and botters takes away from your experience in the game, and also affects important aspects such as the economy or scoring. We do take this very seriously, and appreciate everyone who brings these to our attention. For the record, we are aware of the sites called out from the OP. While we can’t discuss specifics, we do our best to combat sites and programs that encourage breaking our Terms of Service.

As far as what you can do to help, telling us is the first step. If you run across someone you believe is cheating (whether it’s botting or exploiting), please report them. You can do so in-game or simply by messaging a staff member on the forums (it can be me, Jess, or any of the moderators). Keep in mind our TOS team suspends and bans botting accounts daily, and investigations are prioritized based on the number of reports received.

I believe you really believe all that Mrs Bruno but the history does not paint the same picture for some of Us . The cheating and exploits thread that was provided for the community to post all their concerns has gone without reaction or comment from ZoS a long long time. The CE meteor attacks that happened a long time ago was the first time we recieved any kind of response from ZoS , even though there were people posting about rampant cheating for years . It took a group of people completely disrupting the game until it was unplayable to finally get ZoS to do anything to stop it. Players were banned and then brought back. The message some of got was ZoS is lax on cheaters. It's ZOS's game though so we have to accept that's how it goes.

People report things all the time and still see the same exact botters and same exact people still in the game months later . I would not expect them to believe reporting resolves the cheating after so many unsuccessful attempts . This is the communities discouragement .

A lot of people are almost begging ZoS to hire GMs and police their own game instead of asking to police it for them and install a serious anti cheat program that doesn't get worked around in a couple weeks . That is what I believe people are trying to say is that the same old business as usual and hearing the same response is no longer working for them . They would like more from ZoS to keep the game fair for everyone and they want people ruining this gone .

This.

How many reports does it take to get the attention of ZOS? 5? 10? 50? 100? Do I have to stand there and rally the people in Zone chat so that enough will drop what they are doing and report bots to hit the magic number?

@Drummerx04 ... it is time to add a feature to your add-on? Send out a Zone message saying that there are reportable bots at <location>, come report them! Maybe you can work with some of the map pin add-on authors so that anyone running your add-on also gets a map pin set when someone else reports a bot by sending the "gps" coordinates through Zone chat.

None of this would be necessary of ZOS were really taking it seriously.

I was going to take it one step further, the name in my scan window is actually a custom link which I should be able to post directly in a chat channel so anyone with the Bot Scanner can activate the link directly and automatically generate the same report...

Cpt_Teemo

lordrichter wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys,

We know that cheating players and botters takes away from your experience in the game, and also affects important aspects such as the economy or scoring. We do take this very seriously, and appreciate everyone who brings these to our attention. For the record, we are aware of the sites called out from the OP. While we can’t discuss specifics, we do our best to combat sites and programs that encourage breaking our Terms of Service.

As far as what you can do to help, telling us is the first step. If you run across someone you believe is cheating (whether it’s botting or exploiting), please report them. You can do so in-game or simply by messaging a staff member on the forums (it can be me, Jess, or any of the moderators). Keep in mind our TOS team suspends and bans botting accounts daily, and investigations are prioritized based on the number of reports received.

I believe you really believe all that Mrs Bruno but the history does not paint the same picture for some of Us . The cheating and exploits thread that was provided for the community to post all their concerns has gone without reaction or comment from ZoS a long long time. The CE meteor attacks that happened a long time ago was the first time we recieved any kind of response from ZoS , even though there were people posting about rampant cheating for years . It took a group of people completely disrupting the game until it was unplayable to finally get ZoS to do anything to stop it. Players were banned and then brought back. The message some of got was ZoS is lax on cheaters. It's ZOS's game though so we have to accept that's how it goes.

People report things all the time and still see the same exact botters and same exact people still in the game months later . I would not expect them to believe reporting resolves the cheating after so many unsuccessful attempts . This is the communities discouragement .

A lot of people are almost begging ZoS to hire GMs and police their own game instead of asking to police it for them and install a serious anti cheat program that doesn't get worked around in a couple weeks . That is what I believe people are trying to say is that the same old business as usual and hearing the same response is no longer working for them . They would like more from ZoS to keep the game fair for everyone and they want people ruining this gone .

This.

How many reports does it take to get the attention of ZOS? 5? 10? 50? 100? Do I have to stand there and rally the people in Zone chat so that enough will drop what they are doing and report bots to hit the magic number?

@Drummerx04 ... it is time to add a feature to your add-on? Send out a Zone message saying that there are reportable bots at <location>, come report them! Maybe you can work with some of the map pin add-on authors so that anyone running your add-on also gets a map pin set when someone else reports a bot by sending the "gps" coordinates through Zone chat.

None of this would be necessary of ZOS were really taking it seriously.

It takes over 9,000 Reports

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiMHTK15Pik

Proof ^

KingMagaw

I shall also say, what is SAID and what is DONE is two completely different things. From my ~3 years experience these issues have been handled poorly.

I am also under the stance that while players should compliment the policing going on it has definitely seemed they are the only ones policing the game. Bought the game, support with additional money then i am expected to police it doesn't seem very inviting.
Additionally putting in extra work out of my game time to see Cheaters being allowed back in/keeping the ill gotton gains undermines the work players put in.

Elsonso

Drummerx04 wrote: »

I was going to take it one step further, the name in my scan window is actually a custom link which I should be able to post directly in a chat channel so anyone with the Bot Scanner can activate the link directly and automatically generate the same report...

Yeah, I saw that you did that. What you might want to do is come up with such a link that does not have the account name or character name in it. Naming and Shaming is going to get people in trouble.

Runs

Drummerx04 wrote: »

I was going to take it one step further, the name in my scan window is actually a custom link which I should be able to post directly in a chat channel so anyone with the Bot Scanner can activate the link directly and automatically generate the same report...

Wouldn't that make it possible for someone to supply a custom made link in zone, having all your users in that zone falsely report a user?

kyle.wilson

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys,

We know that cheating players and botters takes away from your experience in the game, and also affects important aspects such as the economy or scoring. We do take this very seriously, and appreciate everyone who brings these to our attention. For the record, we are aware of the sites called out from the OP. While we can’t discuss specifics, we do our best to combat sites and programs that encourage breaking our Terms of Service.

As far as what you can do to help, telling us is the first step. If you run across someone you believe is cheating (whether it’s botting or exploiting), please report them. You can do so in-game or simply by messaging a staff member on the forums (it can be me, Jess, or any of the moderators). Keep in mind our TOS team suspends and bans botting accounts daily, and investigations are prioritized based on the number of reports received.

Between the bots and the API allowing flagrant cheating, it's time that someone with authority to fix this to speak up.
It gets old seeing this blanket response with no major action.
@ZOS_BrianWheeler, @ZOS_RichLambert

Savos_Saren

It would be great if Zenimax had their own forum section where they listed @names of people who were banned for cheating/exploits. It would be like those newspaper mugshot sections. It would show legitimate players that reporting cheats/exploits does have an effect... and that their efforts to do so are worthwhile.

Cpt_Teemo

jaburns wrote: »

It would be great if Zenimax had their own forum section where they listed @names of people who were banned for cheating/exploits. It would be like those newspaper mugshot sections. It would show legitimate players that reporting cheats/exploits does have an effect... and that their efforts to do so are worthwhile.

Except that Wall has been blank for 3 years.

Drummerx04

Runs wrote: »

Drummerx04 wrote: »

I was going to take it one step further, the name in my scan window is actually a custom link which I should be able to post directly in a chat channel so anyone with the Bot Scanner can activate the link directly and automatically generate the same report...

Wouldn't that make it possible for someone to supply a custom made link in zone, having all your users in that zone falsely report a user?

YES THINK OF THE POWER!

In all honesty you can pretty much do that now, "Player X is botting/cheating/killed me in cyrodiil, please report him/her"

Dredlord

Ackwalan wrote: »

If only ZOS was as aggressive towards following the rules in the game, as they are to making sure the forum rules are followed.

I think I agree with this more than anything ever posted on these forums, and that is a *** shame.

Dredlord

Oh and btw, thank you Johnny.

You are right this *** needs to be exposed.

Dredlord

1mirg wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Things would get done, that is for sure.

Meh, I don't expect much to be done if forum watchdogs were put in charge of policing the game. Mostly because they'd need to have more people policing the game than on the forums. Which sounds like something I don't see zos doing. Knowing them they'd prob just put like 4-5 people on police duty for the whole game and call it a day. Which wouldn't be enough.

If they wanted to get serious about it, I expect that they'd have to do something like this:
First they'd have to get several peps per zone because each map is like it's own separate part of the game. Along with several working for different regions and etc. Pretty much creating a huge network of active users on the game who are pretty much the police in the world. Making "zos" have a much more active presence in-game because we all know that you'd barely, if ever see a "zos" employee tag in chat anymore. (Which yes, they exist. I remember seeing them ingame during beta.). Then they'd need to have their own lil "area" to hang about in while reading reports ingame so they wouldn't be bugged while working. Blizzard for example uses a uninteresting island way out yonder. They'd also need to be given some easy of use commands and so on. There is more stuff but I'm getting lazy.

The point being is that implementing something like that will be alot of work and I honestly don't see @ZOS ever working that hard for something like that. Honestly, I would rather like to see them more active in-game and actually dealing out harsh punishment for cheaters/ exploiters on their own but over the years, I grown to just accept the fact that the developers don't wish to do that. All I do ingame now is pretty much just quest and clear maps and take part in events. I don't even touch the pvp part of the game anymore due to the rampant cheaters there working their way to getting emperorship and so on.

meh, whatever though. i honestly don't see the developers doing much, if anything about the cheaters/exploiters anyway and I don't see this thread making much of a difference over the hundreds of others saying pretty the same thing. The only way things will change is if the developers finally do something serious about it. Till then, all that's being done is just blowing hot air around.

Ha, ***. Give me 2 employees near minimum wage with no experience and I would eliminate 80% of the cheaters in less than 2 months.

StackonClown

Dredlord wrote: »

1mirg wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Things would get done, that is for sure.

Meh, I don't expect much to be done if forum watchdogs were put in charge of policing the game. Mostly because they'd need to have more people policing the game than on the forums. Which sounds like something I don't see zos doing. Knowing them they'd prob just put like 4-5 people on police duty for the whole game and call it a day. Which wouldn't be enough.

If they wanted to get serious about it, I expect that they'd have to do something like this:
First they'd have to get several peps per zone because each map is like it's own separate part of the game. Along with several working for different regions and etc. Pretty much creating a huge network of active users on the game who are pretty much the police in the world. Making "zos" have a much more active presence in-game because we all know that you'd barely, if ever see a "zos" employee tag in chat anymore. (Which yes, they exist. I remember seeing them ingame during beta.). Then they'd need to have their own lil "area" to hang about in while reading reports ingame so they wouldn't be bugged while working. Blizzard for example uses a uninteresting island way out yonder. They'd also need to be given some easy of use commands and so on. There is more stuff but I'm getting lazy.

The point being is that implementing something like that will be alot of work and I honestly don't see @ZOS ever working that hard for something like that. Honestly, I would rather like to see them more active in-game and actually dealing out harsh punishment for cheaters/ exploiters on their own but over the years, I grown to just accept the fact that the developers don't wish to do that. All I do ingame now is pretty much just quest and clear maps and take part in events. I don't even touch the pvp part of the game anymore due to the rampant cheaters there working their way to getting emperorship and so on.

meh, whatever though. i honestly don't see the developers doing much, if anything about the cheaters/exploiters anyway and I don't see this thread making much of a difference over the hundreds of others saying pretty the same thing. The only way things will change is if the developers finally do something serious about it. Till then, all that's being done is just blowing hot air around.

Ha, ***. Give me 2 employees near minimum wage with no experience and I would eliminate 80% of the cheaters in less than 2 months.

Why dont the developers simply install cheat engine and similar tools and ask some of the youtubers who use CE to show them what it can do?

- and then really stress test it - instead of waiting for us to 'report' the unreportable?? How can we really demonstrate if someone is using CE or similar apart from our gut feel?