Cheating We Can Stop It

JonnytheKing

Guys we can do some thing if we all let zos know
ZOS removed the video , please go here to see the video [snip].
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGWw6jfDz8x512GU8x3WVQA?view_as=subscriber
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geonsocal

cool vid Johnny nice statues in the background...

And then there's the noble man ***. That man is a noble creature that can order his own world who needs God? Well, if there's anybody out there that can look around this demented slaughterhouse of a world we live in and tell me that man is a noble creature, believe me: That man is full of ***. I don't have anything going for me. I haven't got any kids. And I was married for 33 years of shrill, shrieking fraud. So I don't have any *** left. I just ran out of it, you see.

Smasherx74

I've never had problems with cheaters. Lower mat prices? Great!

yodased

Lol people really don't care for this game. Tried for years to get a grassroots anti cheat but it's always meh at best.

Attitude of player base is zos don't care we don't care

Turelus

Smasherx74 wrote: »

I've never had problems with cheaters. Lower mat prices? Great!

This is why we can't have fair games.

1mirg

Botting + Cheating in mmos are common sightings, sadly. But considering that there are people who have made a living off of this kind of stuff, I doubt this problem will be fixed forever. But I do gotta agree. ZOS is a tad too lenient on cheater/ bots and I would like them to be more harsh towards those types of players. Knowing ZOS though, I'm not expecting much. Still, it's good to see your trying to do something about this and yes, I did catch your video before ZOS removed it and you proven your point quite well if I do say so myself. But again, I doubt that ZOS will do much since cheaters/bots have been a ongoing issue with this mmo for years now. Though it does help that this game caters towards people who only play for story. Hence why alot of people won't notice them.

Ackwalan

If only ZOS was as aggressive towards following the rules in the game, as they are to making sure the forum rules are followed.

Riejael

If botting is possible, then the content they are automating is too easy. Simple as that. Gathering resources is as simple as moving to it and clicking a button. That's not playing a game, and here's why:

Would you all go out and click those nodes if they gave nothing? No you wouldn't.

This fails the simple test of content:

Would a player engage in an activity if there was no reward for it?

If the answer is yes, add the feature.
If the answer is no, redesign it.

Make the resource gathering challenging and engaging and you will kill the bots and make it fun as well. Just match the reward with the time spent and everything remains the same. Though prices will go up as bot supplies will be gone.

Rohamad_Ali

JonnytheKing wrote: »

Guys we can do some thing if we all let zos know
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That got shut down fast by ZoS .

JonnytheKing

JonnytheKing wrote: »

Guys we can do some thing if we all let zos know
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please check out my youtube channel for the video that was link , zos has removed it

JonnytheKing

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

JonnytheKing wrote: »

Guys we can do some thing if we all let zos know
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That got shut down fast by ZoS .

sure did

kip_silverwolf

Smasherx74 wrote: »

I've never had problems with cheaters. Lower mat prices? Great!

Alot of those 'lower mat prices' are used by unscrupulous guilds to fund their traders. This makes it very hard for those of us who are running honest guilds (and using our own gold to fund them) to compete in the bidding for traders.

Bots are a plague and should be reported. Cheating in any form is scummy and should not be tolerated.

rfennell_ESO

JonnytheKing wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

JonnytheKing wrote: »

Guys we can do some thing if we all let zos know
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That got shut down fast by ZoS .

sure did

ZOS is oblivious.

They invited at least 2 exploiters to guest appearances on eso live. That's how oblivious.

Rohamad_Ali

I got lucky and found your YouTube channel and watched the video . It's informative and I don't know what to say about it at this point . It's on ZoS to handle and if what you explain is true then they don't have it under control . I've decided to day I'm done with PVP in ESO . I choose to have fun for now on . I believe the community has been trying to reach out ZoS the entire time , just look at the Cheatimg and Exploits thread ZoS created and then abandoned . So the only thing in my power is to move on . No one can make them do anything . I applaud your effort and the information in your video for others to see but fear it's beyond our control or at least I know it's beyond my control as I'm burned out and on my way to better times . Even if it gets fixed or turns out to not be a true issue anymore , I'm out . People have limits .

JonnytheKing

my youtube channel is JTK GAMING for the video sorry didn't say it in my last post

Shardan4968

Jonny is doing great and noble thing, but unfortunately our community is a bunch of ignorants who don't give a *** about bots and cheaters as long as they "don't affect their gameplay". ZOS don't care either, but I don't why. Laziness? To much money from casino? Seems like ESO is just bots-friendly, gg.

yodased

Shardan4968 wrote: »

Jonny is doing great and noble thing, but unfortunately our community is a bunch of ignorants who don't give a *** about bots and cheaters as long as they "don't affect their gameplay". ZOS don't care either, but I don't why. Laziness? To much money from casino? Seems like ESO is just bots-friendly, gg.

Dude i created esocheaters.com ( got 7 people to submit videos and avout 9,000 views, woohooo ) posted in forums, created a 3rd party system to be able to see the problem players with fresh eyes without forum police , I personally made sure gap closing into keeps was addressed, I witnessed the c.a. swap exploit and put that info into the right hands. There are plenty like me, but overall people just don't care even if it does affect their gameplay because they feel ZOS doesnt care.

The majority of people I have talked to that really love or loved this game are simply tired of the lack of perceived action against exploiters, bots and strait up cheaters.

They are soft on these people and everyone knows it, so why would anyone in their right mind try to help the situation. Granted I am well not in my right mind.

Rohamad_Ali

yodased wrote: »

Shardan4968 wrote: »

Jonny is doing great and noble thing, but unfortunately our community is a bunch of ignorants who don't give a *** about bots and cheaters as long as they "don't affect their gameplay". ZOS don't care either, but I don't why. Laziness? To much money from casino? Seems like ESO is just bots-friendly, gg.

Dude i created esocheaters.com ( got 7 people to submit videos and avout 9,000 views, woohooo ) posted in forums, created a 3rd party system to be able to see the problem players with fresh eyes without forum police , I personally made sure gap closing into keeps was addressed, I witnessed the c.a. swap exploit and put that info into the right hands. There are plenty like me, but overall people just don't care even if it does affect their gameplay because they feel ZOS doesnt care.

The majority of people I have talked to that really love or loved this game are simply tired of the lack of perceived action against exploiters, bots and strait up cheaters.

They are soft on these people and everyone knows it, so why would anyone in their right mind try to help the situation. Granted I am well not in my right mind.

That's all truth right there . I was around when he was doing it , it was right after the meteor showers . A bunch of us tried to keep the cheats from returning and recorded video after video and ZoS let a bunch of those players return after all the headache and getting slammed by people that wanted to cheat day after day . What a disappointment all that was . At some point players that want the game to be fair for everyone just fade away when there's little to no support by the owners .

Teridaxus

Smasherx74 wrote: »

I've never had problems with cheaters. Lower mat prices? Great!

How do you even make gold in the first place?
I only see people like you praising bots crashing the market but you are also part of the market at the end of day...or do you really live of the gold from npc kills alone?

I can barely afford housing and my motif research because of crashed crafting market. Materials are/were barely selling ( it seems eu prices are slowly recovering again )

Turelus

It's a great video and I left a comment and like on YouTube but the issue with it was you told everyone what sites and programs are used (which ZOS is against on their forums).

Whilst many will condemn the use of programs and RMT there are some who will use the information provided to just get in on the action.

Runs

Smasherx74 wrote: »

I've never had problems with cheaters. Lower mat prices? Great!

... They don't bring down the prices. The extra gold they get from useless vendor crap is gold that is new to the server. This causes prices to increase. Those "lower" prices are several times higher than they would be if cheating(bots/dupes) had never happened at all on the server.

You are also affected by the players you play with. We play on servers that are nothing but people who will tolerate cheaters. Everyone who plays tolerates it, if we didn't we would have quit. And make no mistake over it, people have seen the behavior that gets tolerated by ZOS and the playerbase and have quit over it.

I would love to see ZOS get their head out of their ass and do the right thing over all forms of cheating. Yet here I am, still playing. Showing them I will not quit over it

Rohamad_Ali

Runs wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

I've never had problems with cheaters. Lower mat prices? Great!

... They don't bring down the prices. The extra gold they get from useless vendor crap is gold that is new to the server. This causes prices to increase. Those "lower" prices are several times higher than they would be if cheating(bots/dupes) had never happened at all on the server.

You are also affected by the players you play with. We play on servers that are nothing but people who will tolerate cheaters. Everyone who plays tolerates it, if we didn't we would have quit. And make no mistake over it, people have seen the behavior that gets tolerated by ZOS and the playerbase and have quit over it.

I would love to see ZOS get their head out of their ass and do the right thing over all forms of cheating. Yet here I am, still playing. Showing them I will not quit over it

No one blames you for ZOS's problems or anyone else that stays and still plays the game . You log in and play by the rules and that is all anyone can expect of any player , not to ever expect tackling an on going issue that will never go away . I won't leave PVE just PVP . I won't stop doing what I still consider fun just to prove a point to others . You should not either . We report what we know for sure is a cheat and go back to minding our own play time .

Caligamy_ESO

The biggest laugh I had in this whole thread is that ZOS thinks we all don't know about MMOViper yet. Just goes to show how extremely out of touch with their player base they are. I mean c'mon we all have Google and a brain, it doesn't take a whole lot to figure this out.

yodased

I can say that I am proof that they do react to properly evidenced reports from the right people. Luckily I have friends who have some pull when it comes to reports getting read.

It was exactly 12 days from the night I figured put the c.a. exploit and the patch notes it was changed.

So, I think it's not that they don't want to fix it, they just legitimately don't know how things are broken.

Take that for what it's worth, I am not sure which is worse.

KRBMMO

JonnytheKing wrote: »

Guys we can do some thing if we all let zos know
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28 minutes to crack down on someone discussing how to eliminate cheating.

Report players actually cheating with a ticket and no response for months, years or not at all.

yodased

KRBMMO wrote: »

JonnytheKing wrote: »

Guys we can do some thing if we all let zos know
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28 minutes to crack down on someone discussing how to eliminate cheating.

Report players actually cheating with a ticket and no response for months, years or not at all.

Forum police are legit on top of things for real.

Grim13

I think it’s time the forum watchdogs were put in charge of policing the game!

Elsonso

Grim13 wrote: »

I think it’s time the forum watchdogs were put in charge of policing the game!

Things would get done, that is for sure.

1mirg

lordrichter wrote: »

Things would get done, that is for sure.

Meh, I don't expect much to be done if forum watchdogs were put in charge of policing the game. Mostly because they'd need to have more people policing the game than on the forums. Which sounds like something I don't see zos doing. Knowing them they'd prob just put like 4-5 people on police duty for the whole game and call it a day. Which wouldn't be enough.

If they wanted to get serious about it, I expect that they'd have to do something like this:
First they'd have to get several peps per zone because each map is like it's own separate part of the game. Along with several working for different regions and etc. Pretty much creating a huge network of active users on the game who are pretty much the police in the world. Making "zos" have a much more active presence in-game because we all know that you'd barely, if ever see a "zos" employee tag in chat anymore. (Which yes, they exist. I remember seeing them ingame during beta.). Then they'd need to have their own lil "area" to hang about in while reading reports ingame so they wouldn't be bugged while working. Blizzard for example uses a uninteresting island way out yonder. They'd also need to be given some easy of use commands and so on. There is more stuff but I'm getting lazy.

The point being is that implementing something like that will be alot of work and I honestly don't see @ZOS ever working that hard for something like that. Honestly, I would rather like to see them more active in-game and actually dealing out harsh punishment for cheaters/ exploiters on their own but over the years, I grown to just accept the fact that the developers don't wish to do that. All I do ingame now is pretty much just quest and clear maps and take part in events. I don't even touch the pvp part of the game anymore due to the rampant cheaters there working their way to getting emperorship and so on.

meh, whatever though. i honestly don't see the developers doing much, if anything about the cheaters/exploiters anyway and I don't see this thread making much of a difference over the hundreds of others saying pretty the same thing. The only way things will change is if the developers finally do something serious about it. Till then, all that's being done is just blowing hot air around.

KingMagaw

Like i have always stated:


There is no dynamic calculation (Very poor coding) in ESO. That is why you see sets being exploited like Clever Alchemist and Powerful assault and a list of others. There is nothing calculating what your wearing to what buffs you should have.

Same idea works for Cheat Engine and other 3rd party programs. Only thing ZoS done was add in maximum margins (As in, most stats you could achieve in game like anything over 150k stamina red flag it etc) and reduce the API slightly. People have been increasing stats below these margins for the longest time.

Cheat Engine and exploiting has never left ESO, it has been integral since launch and has affected PvE and PvP.

Rohamad_Ali

KingMagaw wrote: »

Like i have always stated:


There is no dynamic calculation (Very poor coding) in ESO. That is why you see sets being exploited like Clever Alchemist and Powerful assault and a list of others. There is nothing calculating what your wearing to what buffs you should have.

Same idea works for Cheat Engine and other 3rd party programs. Only thing ZoS done was add in maximum margins (As in, most stats you could achieve in game like anything over 150k stamina red flag it etc) and reduce the API slightly. People have been increasing stats below these margins for the longest time.

Cheat Engine and exploiting has never left ESO, it has been integral since launch and has affected PvE and PvP.

Soon It will be just CE users vs CE users then because just the amount of people I've personally spoke to about other PVP arrangements is probably more then ZoS ever wants to see . Once Vivec is a ghost town that's it and there's just one server left with activity now . Only a few even care to check back later and hold onto hopes still . Just a few . We just started are new guild outside eso and already have 150 people .