Anyone else get one hour penalty?

akl77 · October 2017

I get one hour penalty for leaving a dungeon again now. Third times in this game I get one hour penalty.
I’m queuing my first dungeon of the day for dailies, so I got to tank normal icp, then my team has 2 level 20 one use ice staff and taunts everything, the other healer use sword and board and ransack everything, after explaining to them those taunts and it’s tank’s job to taunt, they don’t care or don’t understand me.
I then left after 10min. Now I want to que another then I have an hour penalty.

Why is that ZOS? Can u please explain?
Also it’s the third time I get this one hour penalty.
I know I play dungeons everyday, but why put this one hour penalty on me all the time??
@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

kyle.wilson · October 2017

This is so awsome.
They finally instituted a real penalty for being an "elite"

What "dailies" allow lvl 20's anyway?

akl77 · October 2017

kyle.wilson wrote: »

This is so awsome.
They finally instituted a real penalty for being an "elite"

What "dailies" allow lvl 20's anyway?

Normal icp, one is level 16 one is level 22, and another cp109, I’m cp660 tank.
I don’t know what’s so awesome about it?
I didn’t kick anyone I just left yet I get the one hour penalty.

MLGProPlayer · October 2017

You're joining normals. There is a good chance most of the players will be new.

I wouldn't recommend doing PUGs with anything other than DPS since then you can carry the team, no matter how bad they are.

akl77 · October 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

You're joining normals. There is a good chance most of the players will be new.

I wouldn't recommend doing PUGs with anything other than DPS since then you can carry the team, no matter how bad they are.

Dps queue is too long, that’s why I play healer or tank only. Also puging vet dlc is never a good idea, it’s mostly failures.
Anyway the point is why the one hour penalty? Is this intended or bug??

TheValar85 · October 2017

Finaly!! This should be a prema thing in the game!

AtraisMachina · October 2017

TheValar85 wrote: »

Finaly!! This should be a prema thing in the game!

yea screw other peoples time! casual players should be entitled to everything! I mean theyre the reason this game is still alive!

akl77 · October 2017

AtraisMachina wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

Finaly!! This should be a prema thing in the game!

yea screw other peoples time! casual players should be entitled to everything! I mean theyre the reason this game is still alive!

Are you sure having one dps and one healer and one tank taunting everything is fun? They are not built as tank and yet taking bosses and mobs and taking damages. Healer isn’t healing too and died immediately.
Is this what casual play is? After explaining to them they don’t even care or doesn’t understand and ignore it.
Are you sure you’ll continue the dungeon and have fun? It’s icp btw.

Navoric_Envaldreth · October 2017

Not sure wether intended but i sure hope it is.
The moment you qeue for something normal alone, you need to assume you will get 3 lvl 15s or something equal.
If you dont assume that, youre just being stubborn...
And at that point when you join into a normal pug knowing that... well.. leaving simply because happened what you knew would happen.. thats just a *** move.
Quite sure it also means that you do leave alot more often than most players.. because if so far you keep getting 1 hour bans from it. You dont just leave now and then.. you leave consistently in semi-small frametimes seeing as the ban doesnt have enough time to lower back to the normal 15 mins version XD

Houshiki · October 2017

Not really sure about the reason for 1hr penalties, maybe its due to leaving groups too frequently or something along those lines. Anyways, in this instance I think OP was justified in leaving the group, imo. Seriously, a dps running an ice stave is not a dps, and a healer running ransack instead of healing is not a healer. Granted they might've been new to the game and just didn't know any better, OP did inform them that those taunt and therefore steals aggro away from the tank. And yet they continued to do so and either didn't understand or simply refused to acknowledge and correct their mistakes. So yes, I do think leaving was justified in this instance.

zaria · October 2017

Timeraider wrote: »

Not sure wether intended but i sure hope it is.
The moment you qeue for something normal alone, you need to assume you will get 3 lvl 15s or something equal.
If you dont assume that, youre just being stubborn...
And at that point when you join into a normal pug knowing that... well.. leaving simply because happened what you knew would happen.. thats just a *** move.
Quite sure it also means that you do leave alot more often than most players.. because if so far you keep getting 1 hour bans from it. You dont just leave now and then.. you leave consistently in semi-small frametimes seeing as the ban doesnt have enough time to lower back to the normal 15 mins version XD

3 lvl 15 is an risk, in the standard normals this works out anyway. getting IcP or RoM on top is also one, in this case its an fail.

Has not gotten any 1 hour penalty, it might be an bug or it might be an added penalty for farming pug groups until you get good group or an random+ wanted dungeon as you say.

Shadzilla · October 2017

akl77 wrote: »

I get one hour penalty for leaving a dungeon again now. Third times in this game I get one hour penalty.
I’m queuing my first dungeon of the day for dailies, so I got to tank normal icp, then my team has 2 level 20 one use ice staff and taunts everything, the other healer use sword and board and ransack everything, after explaining to them those taunts and it’s tank’s job to taunt, they don’t care or don’t understand me.
I then left after 10min. Now I want to que another then I have an hour penalty.

Why is that ZOS? Can u please explain?
Also it’s the third time I get this one hour penalty.
I know I play dungeons everyday, but why put this one hour penalty on me all the time??
@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

2 things that can help you. Don't run with baddies, and join guilds.

FoolishHuman · October 2017

kyle.wilson wrote: »

This is so awsome.
They finally instituted a real penalty for being an "elite"

What "dailies" allow lvl 20's anyway?

Would it be awesome when you get kicked for some stupid reason and have to wait an hour to requeue or, if this is only for leavers, would it be awesome if people that don't want the group just sabotage the run until they are kicked because they don't want the longer penalty? I really hope this is not intentional.

Loc2262 · October 2017

Aside from the obvious one-hour bug: If you want quick pledge runs on normal level as a high CP player, just solo or duo the dungeons.

When using the GF on normal you always have a high chance of getting inexperienced players. That's what the normal GF is for.

AbysmalGhul · October 2017

kyle.wilson wrote: »

This is so awsome.
They finally instituted a real penalty for being an "elite"

What "dailies" allow lvl 20's anyway?

Daily dungeons are daily dungeons regardless of rank/personnel .....unless there is a special queue for daily dungeon eligibility that we don't know about....

Quoted post has been removed.

I read the OP and that was pretty justifiable.

akl77 · October 2017

I now no longer leave dungeons, I vote to kick instead.
ZOS forced me to do this, cos who want to wait an hour?
I play tank just cos it’s the quickest que, I’m not a dps, and I refuse to carry a group, I’m here to have fun with the other 3 people not soloing it.
Also, I did tried asked all my 5 guilds and zone chat, nobody want to play icp.

ArchMikem · October 2017

You got a penalty for leaving the group before the Dungeon was finished, it's that simple, it's how that works.

akl77 · October 2017

ArchMikem wrote: »

You got a penalty for leaving the group before the Dungeon was finished, it's that simple, it's how that works.

Well, I have not heard anyone else get one hour penalty so far.
This thread is about the one hour vs 15 min penalty, so far none have been in my shoe.
If you guys don’t then I’m not asking you to comment or criticise. If you are so inclined to do so, open your own thread and complain there.

Argah · October 2017

Certainly not a fan, often will leave dungeons not because levels or people doing bad but rather a couple of guys that clearly know each other stopping after every boss for a few minutes.

grkkll · October 2017

Happened to me a couple of months ago except I didn't 'leave' the server threw me out and gave me a penalty for leaving! Don't really mind 10 mins but an hour is overkill.

Balamoor · October 2017

AtraisMachina wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

Finaly!! This should be a prema thing in the game!

yea screw other peoples time! casual players should be entitled to everything! I mean theyre the reason this game is still alive!

Actually casuals are the reason, and maybe the devs are thinking about more than what is convenient to you.

Talrol · October 2017

I'm on PC, and the only penalty I've seen for leaving is 15 minutes, but I've also never joined multiple groups and left each one. Perhaps the 1 hour penalty is a console thing?

ZOS_GinaBruno · October 2017

Hey @akl77, what makes you believe you're getting a 1 hour penalty? Are you seeing something in the UI, or is it something else?

raj72616a · October 2017

it's normal. so just switch to dps gear yourself and solo carry it?

yttoks · October 2017

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

kyle.wilson wrote: »

This is so awsome.
They finally instituted a real penalty for being an "elite"

What "dailies" allow lvl 20's anyway?

Daily dungeons are daily dungeons regardless of rank/personnel .....unless there is a special queue for daily dungeon eligibility that we don't know about....

Quoted post has been removed.

I read the OP and that was pretty justifiable.

Ehh. His sig shows CP830+. There's almost never a justification for leaving a normal pledge PUG if you're CP830+, and literally no reason if it's just bad play with no malice involved. Some dungeons you need another player for the mechs (like WGT cage mech), but other than that they can all be solo'ed at CP830.

There's no such group so bad that this would be justified. OP was just showing their bad side. I have no idea why OP got a 1 hour ban. Maybe there's more to the story.

NewBlacksmurf · October 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey @akl77, what makes you believe you're getting a 1 hour penalty? Are you seeing something in the UI, or is it something else?

akl77 · October 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey @akl77, what makes you believe you're getting a 1 hour penalty? Are you seeing something in the UI, or is it something else?

@ZOS_GinaBruno
Where it usually says you can queue after 15min, instead it says after 60 min.
And I’m unable to queue another within the 60 min indeed.
I’m pretty sure it’s not designed so cos your patch notes didn’t say so, but unfortunately I got this bug three times now in this game. Three times makes me feel it should be noted by ZOS.
I’m on PS4 na.

akl77 · October 2017

I feel there should be a tutorial on the start before queuing any dungeons for newcomers.

Tank - tutorial on taunt, positioning of the boss, keeping agro, and which one to taunt in trash mobs fight.
Healer - tutorial on watching the health bar of your team mates, importance buffs like combat prayer, heal over time, burst heal, providing resources like shards or orbs.
Dps - do not slot ice staff cos it taunts, how to do aoe, how to do rotations to achieve high dps output.

These are simple skills and basics that eso should teach the newcomers.
I’m not talking about what gears to use, just some basic simple thing about what each role does.
ZOS I know you don’t pug enough or play with newbies enough, hence you don’t feel the need to introduce a tutorial.
But the fact is I get those people daily in my queue. I que at least 5 dungeons per day for the past 2 years. That’s 3650 pug dungeons.

@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

VaranisArano · October 2017

As a tank, I can't blame the OP for choosing to leave with two players deciding they wanted to taunt the mobs and bosses themselves. Usually I prefer to stay and carry the team, but everyone has to decide for themselves how much time and effort they are willing to put into a group that is actually not working for them.

That being said, my preferred method is to say something after I notice that taunt has been pulled away from me by someone else. Usually its a DPS with an ice staff who didn't know about the taunt or who accidentally heavy attacked. I say that its no problem, and it really isn't. Accidents happen. But then I also say that if you really want to taunt something, I'm going to let you have it. If the player with an ice staff or Pierce Armor taunt really wants that aggro, I hope they've got the ability to handle it because if you want to deliberately pull aggro away from the tank, you get what you you asked for.

So my suggestion to the OP is this. The next time someone doesn't listen to you about taunt abilities, let them taunt the boss and deal with the results. Sometimes, experience is the best teacher.

KingMagaw · October 2017

I feel the OP was justified in leaving. I do normal DLC dungeons to get the achievement for doing xMany and by no means do i want to:

1. Carry some randoms who dont invest anytime in researching the dungeon/mechanics before hand;

2. Waste more of my limited playtime in doing the above;

3. Select all the roles to get into a dungeon only to not have a clue.

If there is one other player who has the slightest clue i usually continue but being stuck with 3 that are wasting my time i simply leave, don't mind 15 mins but if i was penalised anymore than 15 mins i would pass on this.

akl77 · October 2017

VaranisArano wrote: »

As a tank, I can't blame the OP for choosing to leave with two players deciding they wanted to taunt the mobs and bosses themselves. Usually I prefer to stay and carry the team, but everyone has to decide for themselves how much time and effort they are willing to put into a group that is actually not working for them.

That being said, my preferred method is to say something after I notice that taunt has been pulled away from me by someone else. Usually its a DPS with an ice staff who didn't know about the taunt or who accidentally heavy attacked. I say that its no problem, and it really isn't. Accidents happen. But then I also say that if you really want to taunt something, I'm going to let you have it. If the player with an ice staff or Pierce Armor taunt really wants that aggro, I hope they've got the ability to handle it because if you want to deliberately pull aggro away from the tank, you get what you you asked for.

So my suggestion to the OP is this. The next time someone doesn't listen to you about taunt abilities, let them taunt the boss and deal with the results. Sometimes, experience is the best teacher.

Its not just the dps and healer that taunt mobs and bosses, its them not doing the job they are supposed to do.
It’s torturing to have a dps that just use ice staff heavy attack and call it dps, 1 or 2 k dps every second is torturing.
Then the healer with sword and board and pierce armor everything, I mean he’s healer not a dps nor tank. And he died the fastest.
I explained to them, then they moved on and continue to do so, I guess they thought I’m the noob.
They want to play it their way fine, I just rather wait out 15min for leaving the group and try another pug.
But no, I get one hour penalty, hence my thread.
It’s my first dungeon in 24 hours too, not like I leave one after the other.
I’ve done normal icp with two level 10 dps before, it’s smooth and fast.
I pug 5 dungeons daily over 2 years, I know how to deal with pugs.