Cinbri wrote: »

1. Tooltips, CP system and Templars... - regarding those weird thing happening with Shards and Solar Barrage:
Shards were never working with master-at-arms CP and never counted as direct damage and proc affiliated sets. I believe it is bug, coz range morph of Impulse does work as direct damage. But then this is old bug and i not sure why zos didnt fixed it yet despite it was reported long time ago. It also affecting tooltip of skill in misleading way: while it not actually boosted by Master-at-Arms, it tooltip does increasing with points in this CP. Fix it already.
Solar Barrage: working as damage overtime it theoretically should be buffed by Thaumaturge and counted as dot, but this CP don't increase nor damage nor tooltip, so apparently it not dot(same as Soul Assault ult). However its tooltip and actual damage buffed by Master-at-Arms CP, so it counted as direct damage skill apparently. It create a bit confussion same as Sweeps skill.
It will be nice if Shards will be finally fixed and work with direct damage CP, while Barrage and Sweeps could triple dip from CP, coz both skills are some kind of DoT+direct damage. For the course of balance it would be fair.
2. Solar Barrage - it should get buffed further if cast time stay and Empower buff should be removed coz it not working with skill.
Compare it with Puncturing Sweeps: if it had Empower it still would have no use for skill. Or, Sweeps is aoe channel that can pressure block unlike uppercaut and deal more damage to single target, but without healings on attacks it would be weak morph. Same with Barrage - it is cast-time aoe dot, but simple being so is not enough.
Another compare with Blazing Spear:

Barrage 13368 damage, Shards - 12830. Damage disparity is irreleveant, while Burning Light procs will in the end make Shards deal more total damage than Barrage.
Next compare: Barrage is following target AoE, but in the cost of being melee and cast time. Shards is rooted to target but benefit is deal 30% of damage as instant, large ranged AoE with instant cast time. It might be comparable at this by benefits but than: Shards have strongest in-game synnergy, while Barrage don't have any additional effect. That making them totally unequal as AoEs in Templar arsenal.
Also picking this morph means that Templar loose only available option to counter healing and hp regen builds.
For all this reason I believe Barrage should get a some strong additional effect, and since it was unified to other skill with its cast time, it should be unified more to be more offensive morph (while Shards keep a bit supportive AoE) - apply major defile on affected enemies.
3. Eclipse - once again people acting weird about this one. It never worked in pve but in return it was one of the strongest CC in pvp, that should be done again. It reflect direct damage and that is most reliable for reflecting skill for 2 reasons: 1) Templar have the best in-game ability to get rid of dots and debuffs, funny to see how some pretend that Cleansing Ritual is not exist. 2) it made it much more reliable than those skill that people compare Eclipse with - Scales, Shimmering Shield. Both works in pve but lets check how it work in pvp - Scales: my templar, or new dk with petrify or warden or every single stamina build(beside those useless snipers) don't give a f* about this skill, we can CC and deal majority of damage ignoring this expensive skill, and while it strong against some enemies it defunct against many more type of enemies. Same with Shimmering Shield: it don't protect against CCs but can absorb projectiles and have strong buff that works only if skill procced. And same as Scales - for its strength it unreliable against many types of enemies. Warden can waste mana to activate expensive skill for short time, but well, I can keep from using my Reflective Light for several seconds and making Scales and Shimmering to be just completely waste of enemy resources. It very strong once it proced but against stamina builds or my Templar enemy warden just won't get double ult gain no matter how many times he will spam skill.
While Eclipse is reliable - it "reflect" majority of attacks that Templar is viable to, in combination with fact that dots are just just works bad against Templar - this was best way to make it working. Unlike Scales or Shimmering new Eclipse can reflect not just skills but majority of class/weapon ultimates, even procsets, while don't have cooldown or amount of proced damage duration like Wadren's Veins. As mentioned above as example: stambuild can use his beloved combo of charging into you with follow-up of light attack-bash-dawnbreaker/any ult-procset-execute. As result if you was able to cast Eclipse on him just when he started his combo you will get 5-6 procs simultaneously that with my tooltip deal 12-14k pvp damage instantly uncritted with 15-18k uncrittable heal. Same could said about nb and their combos. And thus mean by such CC that is not broken in time such combos can remove half of hp from user while by heal making that those combos no longer will melt Templar.
But as I said it unique reliable CC but I dont overestimate it and what should be done about it is making it even more reliable CC with all fixed current problems:
1. It should get CC checks or working as double debuff to work anytime without wasting cost in vain - but given that this is not only skill affected by it - it is bug that must be fixed in next patches.
2. It should not grant CC immunity upon cleansing enemy's bubble - it will make Templars to enjoy free CC immunity after enemy Templar bubbled him. But given that exact bug was in U14 and was fixed - I believe this one is this bug that lurked from shadows again and will be fixed in next patches.
3. It should not grant CC immunity after expire - i.e. works same as it was working before U14 where it was made unbreakable CC. This is not hard CC that could bring to stunlocks, this is soft CC-debuff - none of soft CCs, nor any of debuffs grant CC immunity after expired. That is game mechanic and Eclipse should work rightfully to game mechanics.
4. Total Dark coould have follow-up effect - same as it originally had. For example skill that still follow such mechanic is Fear, that apply debuffs after being broken. And it will be fair coz in return of its reliability it lost many things: it no longer can CC enemy by his own skills, it can no longer save Templar stamina coz enemy skill reflecting, it can no longer do same for teammates even when enemy attacked them. Sorc for example can no longer reflect on itself 8k Frags, CCing himself, forcing to CC Break, procing heal for Templar and saving his block stamina; but now it will deal damage to sorc, proc heal for templar, but CC Templar, deal him 8k damage, drain block stamina, and no longer limiting attacks of enemy Templar teammates.
For such change: it should either get buffed (10% atlease) tooltip of reflect and heal, or have its heal proc to affecting even CC immune enemies, or apply debuff/buff after CC break. But if any debuff it should not be minor maim coz this one is easy to obtain through sets, which by they way is greatly benefit Templar.
5. Unstable Core should really become offensive morph, because currently it have same problem as current one and especially to new TD: right now UC deal high damage but loosing any utility making skill too weak in compare with other classes, for example Curse that is unblockable and have additional effects while being cheaper. So new UC can follow new mechanic of being CC, but offensive CC that enemy will be severed for even when it was broken. I see It such ways: 1) increase reflect damage for 60% as original UC had but at the end of duration or if was used CC Break it explode time bomb that damage should be buffed 60% also. So in any case if enemy cant break it - all his attacks will punish him hard, but even if he wasted stamina on CC Break - magnetic bomb will deal high instant aoe damage. For Templar with high mana and spd tooltip without battlespirit could go up to 10k for each reflect of cc break. CC that deal ~5k damage iw worthy for my PoV.
2) it keep reflecting damage but buff it a bit and magnetic bomb is to be second debuff that can be applied, as current Eclipse, on any enemies, buff it damage to 60% again and make it unblockable . High damage aoe at any time.
3) buff proc damage and magnetic bomb damage, but make it to proc aoe blockable damage on every reflect, and magnetic bomb to be unblockable aoe explosion. It will transform morph into full offensive aoe CC.
Or completely another idea: given that people don't like that it became breakable - keep it is unbreakable CC but at the end of skill , buff tooltip for 10%: Unstable Core - buff damage and make it to apply unblockable stun with magnetic explosion, so enemy will be CCed anyway while being uncapable to get rid of it, while it will also affect Templars who will be CCed upon cleansing it (same as explosion from Inevitable Detonation) and have to Break Free. Same with Total Dark. Here: TD will deal damage and heal, while UC mechanic will be - heal will be transferred to to reflected damage and bomb.
de facto skill will be disable and CC at once for the fact that its not reflect anymore
4. Empowering Sweep - this is potentially good ult morph, but currently it pale in compare to other cheap class ults.
Lets compare it with Permafrost: Permafrost is expensive ult but in echange it is apply following snare that can proc elemental status/roots, procing every 1 sec draining stamina block, applying unblockable/undodgeable/unabsorbable stun, apply major protection buff on caster, apply same buff on all teammates around.
Empowering Sweep - for its low coast it doing approximetly same things: cant proc statuses, snares, proccing ever 2 sec to drain stamina but have initial damage, can't apply CC, have less range, can't support teammates, buff caster.
But the most huge change here is that unlike Permafrost Templar ES don't even apply major protection bonus for caster only. It apply scaling bonus that not even working for half of its power majority of battles.
So I suggest to fix its reliability by changing it to major protection for Templar only. It won't be too strong, will have drawbacks (read in my 1st post), but in return it will have reliability, i.e. same thing that Eclipse got now. It would make this as viable morph of class ult for magicka Templars on CP without making too strong for its low cost.
Noone pretened that warden frost ult is weak because it not, and thus Sweep will be strong too, from distant look like more weaker but cheaper non-homogenizated ult.

Cinbri wrote: »

1. Tooltips, CP system and Templars... - regarding those weird thing happening with Shards and Solar Barrage:
Shards were never working with master-at-arms CP and never counted as direct damage and proc affiliated sets. I believe it is bug, coz range morph of Impulse does work as direct damage. But then this is old bug and i not sure why zos didnt fixed it yet despite it was reported long time ago. It also affecting tooltip of skill in misleading way: while it not actually boosted by Master-at-Arms, it tooltip does increasing with points in this CP. Fix it already.
Solar Barrage: working as damage overtime it theoretically should be buffed by Thaumaturge and counted as dot, but this CP don't increase nor damage nor tooltip, so apparently it not dot(same as Soul Assault ult). However its tooltip and actual damage buffed by Master-at-Arms CP, so it counted as direct damage skill apparently. It create a bit confussion same as Sweeps skill.
It will be nice if Shards will be finally fixed and work with direct damage CP, while Barrage and Sweeps could triple dip from CP, coz both skills are some kind of DoT+direct damage. For the course of balance it would be fair.
2. Solar Barrage - it should get buffed further if cast time stay and Empower buff should be removed coz it not working with skill.
Compare it with Puncturing Sweeps: if it had Empower it still would have no use for skill. Or, Sweeps is aoe channel that can pressure block unlike uppercaut and deal more damage to single target, but without healings on attacks it would be weak morph. Same with Barrage - it is cast-time aoe dot, but simple being so is not enough.
Another compare with Blazing Spear:

Barrage 13368 damage, Shards - 12830. Damage disparity is irreleveant, while Burning Light procs will in the end make Shards deal more total damage than Barrage.
Next compare: Barrage is following target AoE, but in the cost of being melee and cast time. Shards is rooted to target but benefit is deal 30% of damage as instant, large ranged AoE with instant cast time. It might be comparable at this by benefits but than: Shards have strongest in-game synnergy, while Barrage don't have any additional effect. That making them totally unequal as AoEs in Templar arsenal.
Also picking this morph means that Templar loose only available option to counter healing and hp regen builds.
For all this reason I believe Barrage should get a some strong additional effect, and since it was unified to other skill with its cast time, it should be unified more to be more offensive morph (while Shards keep a bit supportive AoE) - apply major defile on affected enemies.
3. Eclipse - once again people acting weird about this one. It never worked in pve but in return it was one of the strongest CC in pvp, that should be done again. It reflect direct damage and that is most reliable for reflecting skill for 2 reasons: 1) Templar have the best in-game ability to get rid of dots and debuffs, funny to see how some pretend that Cleansing Ritual is not exist. 2) it made it much more reliable than those skill that people compare Eclipse with - Scales, Shimmering Shield. Both works in pve but lets check how it work in pvp - Scales: my templar, or new dk with petrify or warden or every single stamina build(beside those useless snipers) don't give a f* about this skill, we can CC and deal majority of damage ignoring this expensive skill, and while it strong against some enemies it defunct against many more type of enemies. Same with Shimmering Shield: it don't protect against CCs but can absorb projectiles and have strong buff that works only if skill procced. And same as Scales - for its strength it unreliable against many types of enemies. Warden can waste mana to activate expensive skill for short time, but well, I can keep from using my Reflective Light for several seconds and making Scales and Shimmering to be just completely waste of enemy resources. It very strong once it proced but against stamina builds or my Templar enemy warden just won't get double ult gain no matter how many times he will spam skill.
While Eclipse is reliable - it "reflect" majority of attacks that Templar is viable to, in combination with fact that dots are just just works bad against Templar - this was best way to make it working. Unlike Scales or Shimmering new Eclipse can reflect not just skills but majority of class/weapon ultimates, even procsets, while don't have cooldown or amount of proced damage duration like Wadren's Veins. As mentioned above as example: stambuild can use his beloved combo of charging into you with follow-up of light attack-bash-dawnbreaker/any ult-procset-execute. As result if you was able to cast Eclipse on him just when he started his combo you will get 5-6 procs simultaneously that with my tooltip deal 12-14k pvp damage instantly uncritted with 15-18k uncrittable heal. Same could said about nb and their combos. And thus mean by such CC that is not broken in time such combos can remove half of hp from user while by heal making that those combos no longer will melt Templar.
But as I said it unique reliable CC but I dont overestimate it and what should be done about it is making it even more reliable CC with all fixed current problems:
1. It should get CC checks or working as double debuff to work anytime without wasting cost in vain - but given that this is not only skill affected by it - it is bug that must be fixed in next patches.
2. It should not grant CC immunity upon cleansing enemy's bubble - it will make Templars to enjoy free CC immunity after enemy Templar bubbled him. But given that exact bug was in U14 and was fixed - I believe this one is this bug that lurked from shadows again and will be fixed in next patches.
3. It should not grant CC immunity after expire - i.e. works same as it was working before U14 where it was made unbreakable CC. This is not hard CC that could bring to stunlocks, this is soft CC-debuff - none of soft CCs, nor any of debuffs grant CC immunity after expired. That is game mechanic and Eclipse should work rightfully to game mechanics.
4. Total Dark coould have follow-up effect - same as it originally had. For example skill that still follow such mechanic is Fear, that apply debuffs after being broken. And it will be fair coz in return of its reliability it lost many things: it no longer can CC enemy by his own skills, it can no longer save Templar stamina coz enemy skill reflecting, it can no longer do same for teammates even when enemy attacked them. Sorc for example can no longer reflect on itself 8k Frags, CCing himself, forcing to CC Break, procing heal for Templar and saving his block stamina; but now it will deal damage to sorc, proc heal for templar, but CC Templar, deal him 8k damage, drain block stamina, and no longer limiting attacks of enemy Templar teammates.
For such change: it should either get buffed (10% atlease) tooltip of reflect and heal, or have its heal proc to affecting even CC immune enemies, or apply debuff/buff after CC break. But if any debuff it should not be minor maim coz this one is easy to obtain through sets, which by they way is greatly benefit Templar.
5. Unstable Core should really become offensive morph, because currently it have same problem as current one and especially to new TD: right now UC deal high damage but loosing any utility making skill too weak in compare with other classes, for example Curse that is unblockable and have additional effects while being cheaper. So new UC can follow new mechanic of being CC, but offensive CC that enemy will be severed for even when it was broken. I see It such ways: 1) increase reflect damage for 60% as original UC had but at the end of duration or if was used CC Break it explode time bomb that damage should be buffed 60% also. So in any case if enemy cant break it - all his attacks will punish him hard, but even if he wasted stamina on CC Break - magnetic bomb will deal high instant aoe damage. For Templar with high mana and spd tooltip without battlespirit could go up to 10k for each reflect of cc break. CC that deal ~5k damage iw worthy for my PoV.
2) it keep reflecting damage but buff it a bit and magnetic bomb is to be second debuff that can be applied, as current Eclipse, on any enemies, buff it damage to 60% again and make it unblockable . High damage aoe at any time.
3) buff proc damage and magnetic bomb damage, but make it to proc aoe blockable damage on every reflect, and magnetic bomb to be unblockable aoe explosion. It will transform morph into full offensive aoe CC.
Or completely another idea: given that people don't like that it became breakable - keep it is unbreakable CC but at the end of skill , buff tooltip for 10%: Unstable Core - buff damage and make it to apply unblockable stun with magnetic explosion, so enemy will be CCed anyway while being uncapable to get rid of it, while it will also affect Templars who will be CCed upon cleansing it (same as explosion from Inevitable Detonation) and have to Break Free. Same with Total Dark. Here: TD will deal damage and heal, while UC mechanic will be - heal will be transferred to to reflected damage and bomb.
de facto skill will be disable and CC at once for the fact that its not reflect anymore
4. Empowering Sweep - this is potentially good ult morph, but currently it pale in compare to other cheap class ults.
Lets compare it with Permafrost: Permafrost is expensive ult but in echange it is apply following snare that can proc elemental status/roots, procing every 1 sec draining stamina block, applying unblockable/undodgeable/unabsorbable stun, apply major protection buff on caster, apply same buff on all teammates around.
Empowering Sweep - for its low coast it doing approximetly same things: cant proc statuses, snares, proccing ever 2 sec to drain stamina but have initial damage, can't apply CC, have less range, can't support teammates, buff caster.
But the most huge change here is that unlike Permafrost Templar ES don't even apply major protection bonus for caster only. It apply scaling bonus that not even working for half of its power majority of battles.
So I suggest to fix its reliability by changing it to major protection for Templar only. It won't be too strong, will have drawbacks (read in my 1st post), but in return it will have reliability, i.e. same thing that Eclipse got now. It would make this as viable morph of class ult for magicka Templars on CP without making too strong for its low cost.
Noone pretened that warden frost ult is weak because it not, and thus Sweep will be strong too, from distant look like more weaker but cheaper non-homogenizated ult.

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Pops in...

Soo magplars are still bad and stamplars have 1 skill and 1 ultimate morph....

Soo, sorcs and nightblades still the best classes.

casparian wrote: »

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Pops in...

Soo magplars are still bad and stamplars have 1 skill and 1 ultimate morph....

Soo, sorcs and nightblades still the best classes.

Stamplars have three stamina skill morphs, not one, and make extremely good use of the Restoring Light skill line despite that line having no stamina morphs. L2stamplar.

Drdeath20 wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Solar barrage is better now after latest patch. This will be a strong ability in PvP, and you will be silly not to slot it on a magplar imo. I'm actually considering playing magplar next patch with these changes - I've been playing around with builds and I'm quite impressed with the results in comparison to some other classes.

It only use in pvp will be bomber builds. proxy det, solar barrage, dampen magicka l, focused charge, destro ult. It does not work in a real rotation.

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Has anyone done a direct comparison between spear and the new runecage (in terms of ability cost)?

For my Stamplar, I really love the combo of spear/heavy-attack/crit-rush - but man, is it it hard on the resources - especially if spear gets blocked/dodged.

Are you starting with heavy attack so spear fired off right after the cast? Was my favorite combo as stamplar. But quicker than spear then heavy attack.

I would use solar barrage cast time and all if it provided some defense for charging in to melee range. How about evasion? Anything really since I run my Templar mostly melee and do not have wings or cloak or really much of anything other than focus to boost defense. No speed other than mist form which isn't that fast. Blazing shields is to weak if you're not just strictly a health tank.

technohic wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Has anyone done a direct comparison between spear and the new runecage (in terms of ability cost)?

For my Stamplar, I really love the combo of spear/heavy-attack/crit-rush - but man, is it it hard on the resources - especially if spear gets blocked/dodged.

Are you starting with heavy attack so spear fired off right after the cast? Was my favorite combo as stamplar. But quicker than spear then heavy attack.

I would use solar barrage cast time and all if it provided some defense for charging in to melee range. How about evasion? Anything really since I run my Templar mostly melee and do not have wings or cloak or really much of anything other than focus to boost defense. No speed other than mist form which isn't that fast. Blazing shields is to weak if you're not just strictly a health tank.

Minor or major expedition wound be amazing instead of empower

maxjapank wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Solar barrage is better now after latest patch. This will be a strong ability in PvP, and you will be silly not to slot it on a magplar imo. I'm actually considering playing magplar next patch with these changes - I've been playing around with builds and I'm quite impressed with the results in comparison to some other classes.

That's good to hear. Some other form of dmg without procing burning light is always welcome. Retribution ticks, Reflective light ticks, Purifying light into charge and sweeps for burning light...sounds like a strong combo. Still think some secondary effect would be nice. And gonna miss my Total Dark on live as is now. Any thoughts on the pts one?

Rudyard wrote: »

Solar Barrage will get interrupted 80% of the time against any competent player in pvp. I might be missing something, but I don't see a place for it in regular rotation.