Feanor wrote: »

If potatoes are your base line, everything looks OP.

And what should be the BASE LINE?

Problem with sorcs started when potatoes jumped into the class, the very same potatoes that roamed cyro with impulse, inferno and bats, the very same that jumped into1shot stamblade (do you remember old camo hunter?), or put 6 Jesus beam on you...

The base line are potatoes, but are the majority. They are a mindless zerg following other's builds, jumpig into the FotM and then sending rage whispers when their precious builds are destroyed by a guy with 2 neurons alive.

So as long as ZoS keeps on producing easy mode solutions for the lazy player, this game is doomed. Just wait for the HA DW sorcs builds next patch

Xvorg wrote: »

Just wait for the HA DW sorcs builds next patch

As opposed to "HAHA! DW Sorc" this patch ?

Sorry.. in a funny mood and can't take anything seriously at the mo...

ak_pvp wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

To be clear, the only thing I'm against when it comes to sorc is that new staff. 99% of it's use in PvP will be by a sorc. Anyone can use it, but nobody does. Every destro resto sorc (90% of them) use it. Like 5% of the rest of magica population use it. It is a huge sorc buff.

Yes, mag sorc is strong in PvP. But it isn't good mode. That new staff will be game breaking. It cannot go live like it.

Only reason sorcs use force pulse is because there is literally no other spammable available. Personally I wish sorcs had an in kit spammable. Here's what it boils down to now... Sorcs, the only option there was is now better. Every other magicka build, now you have a choice between the class spammable and force pulse. Or hell, use it in an off rotation and continue using the better spammable. Watch, I'll demonstrate the rotation on say a magblade.

Force pulse to proc the staff, light attack, swallow soul, light attack, swallow soul, light attack, force pulse etc sneaking in your dots and assassin's will burst. You have the same advantages, and still have a better spammable to use. You just get another plus to your setup.

Same with DKs, you also get another dot to add look at that. Same with every magicka set up.It's just making a single tool available to EVERYONE better. Just because Sorcs don't have an alternative to that tool does not mean this is exclusively a sorc buff.

Ugh... These forums make my brain hurt...

LOL at this comparison of the classes. Yes, DK is JUST LIKE SORC with Crushing Shock. Except without Crystal Frags. And without an Execute. Oh and without unblockable Curse. Oh right and without mobility. Yeah guys, everyone can use Crushing Shock just as effectively as Sorc!!111

These are some low-quality posts you're putting out there.

Yes, DK. Able to permablock, able to spam 7k skorias ON COOLDOWN, able to use 3 damage sets in 1v1s and still permablock just fine, able to hit an undodgable leap that does more damage than my 5.2k wep dmg 37k stam incap, able to use the immensely overpowered heal from embers, able to basically perma root you, able to restore stamina while fearing with arguably one of the if not the strongest single target CC, able to constantly keep you off balance and able to use reverb for 60%+ healing reduction.

I am sorry, @Kilandros , were you trying to say that dks are weak? Because they are the absolute best 1v1 class in the game, only beatable by templars that purge their OP heal. What was your point exactly? No good magdk should ever lose to a sorc.

EDIT: grammar

Ahaha. Now you are stretching. To permablock as a DK AND run 3 damage sets, even in a 1v1 you need to spec either 2 cost reduce and some sturdy, or on the other hand, be realistic and run impreg all sturdy. Oh and you need to run a sustain set, 1v1 or not some even run two because DK sustain OP (Either damage, bloodspawn and sustain/utility, or sustain, sustain/utility and skoria for heavy). Even on a PvE build, magDKs can't drop a skoria every 4s. The max someone showed was every 7s. Sorc has the same permaroot, and the same CC now, all whilst keeping mobility and damage above DKs. Constant offbalance = every 5s. Reverb is 30%, even with CP it won't go higher, and it sux on a magDK with fossilize/roots.

Sorc is a slow DKs stalemate, mines to *** melee, streak to run away and *** up roots, shields because DK burst OP kappa. I have ran a tanktato before, and they really aren't great without bloodspawn, impreg and sustain set, making you weak. Skoria works but removes so much sustain from ulti.

I have mained DK since beta, DK pressure is so sad in a tank setup, yeah, sure I can tank 3 people indefinitely, but I can't kill them without them being offguard. Now light armour DK with godlike burst+heal, 2k regen and decent tanking in a 1v1 is where its at. I am not even kidding, dot up, (inferno is decent against small groups), apply talons, deep breath, whip, power whip, and maybe a cheeky leap. Skoria procs too since sustain from light armour and witchmothers.

Mate, I have literally dueled players on PC EU that do that. Unless my eyes have deceived me when they listed out what they were running, and my combat log was lying when I saw how much damage they put out, they are doing exactly that. It's called good theorycrafting (and impreg is pretty bad jsn).

If you played mDK since beta and still think the class is weak, I have some very bad news for you mate.

Never said they are weak, one of the best 1v1 and OK tanking multiple. Magdk simply cannot run permablock in 1v1 without running something towards it. 3 damage sets? Nah.

It´s literally happening if you fight the right players on EU PC dueling.

Me: Hey, let's get rid of shield stacking and replace it with other methods to survive. It's unfair they don't have to sacrifice any burst for permanent shielding and it doesn't have the counters of many others like defile or cost increase.

"WWWHHAAAAAAHHHHHH. They want to kill sorcs, havent we been nerfed enough :'("

M: But they have streak boundless and mines to keep range and mobility? I'm saying focus on this for defense. It's unfair that they have shields too.

"URGH Now these n00bs are saying streak is OP too, actshually I'll have you know it was nerfed to death, like. litterally ded bro, if u can't catch a sorc then delete eso."

M: OK, Rune prison is an unfair addition as sorcs already has a Strong ccs and can line up the burst, so it isn't needed. And it would completely replace DKs in pvp.

OMGWTF Sorc can't even run it, 3 bars isn't enough do u even play sorcs l2p wtf u pleb. Stop crying, roll sorcs hardest class we are the underdogs.

M: OK what about the lack of counterplay to dark deal/conversion, it has no risk to interrupt, and costs more to interrupt it than it does to be interrupted.

"LIKE O. M. GEEE. They want to remove sorcs sustaining. Dats no fair we deserve special treatment, losing stats to a counter is no fairrr."

The mob of rampant fotmers can't take any criticism. Notice, I don't want a mobility/damage nerf?

Feanor wrote: »

Again this? Seriously? I'd rather discuss the huge buff Fear got...

lol...

Derra wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Floor Sorcs? Those don't play PvP, and if they do, they are more on horseback than anywhere else. DKs and NBs are the majority classes at least in my experience at the moment, with the stam variety being more numerous. I seldom see any Sorcs on Sotha Sil PC EU.

mSorcs generally don´t favor nonCP as their defense mechanics are more reliant on CP (statbonus to magica) than for any other class.

For me i get around 35% nb 25% sorc 17% templar/DK 5% warden - with my killcounter.

Well take away a Stam DK's CP's and what are they then? The 2 highest DPS in PvE also are the deadliest in CP PvP. Zenimax balance everything with CP in mind. It's time to bring them down a notch, not buff them. Imagine as a Sorc, a Stam DK with 690 CP.

I have absolutely no issue with sorc nor with stamDK in their current state. I find sorc to be relatively weak offensively which is only remedied by their mobility in open world.
StamDk is probably the worst class in open world pvp right now - the only thing keeping them even relevant being tavas + bloodspawn and the 1h shield ultimate.

I can´t really place warden relative to other classes atm because they´re still underrepresented but for the original 4 classes i´d rate magica DK, NB and Templar all higher than sorc or stamDK. Same goes for stamblade in heavy and stamsorc in heavy. Have not fought enough stamplars.

Lel. Templar and mag DK higher than sorc? You must be kidding. Offensively Warden, nb/sorc, dk/temp.

Magdk is more variably better (more options and all decent) than a stamdk, but a stamdk running seventh, bloodspawn and a sustain set is much stronger than a Magdk. (essentially the procs equivalent that kept Stamade of life support) Both have issues with sustain and are the worst for utility in pvp now.

Magtemplar is in a sorry state, low mobility, low floaty damage and bad cc. Stamplar is just OK.

Stamnb and magnb has nice damage, and nice mobility, but are squish balls and I don't agree with some of the things that they did. Cloak breaks too easily (I had a thread that would help fix that, turned into a nerf NB vs buff NB thread)

Warden is all around strong but not absolute bis, my only issue is treetard spam.

Sorc is too much. Burst and mobility OK, I'd lower. Cost of streak and mines personly, shieldstack, rune prison and dark deal interrupt isnt OK, and gives sorcs too much

Here is my actually feeling, which classes get love by zenimax from most love to at least love:

For PvE:
- Sorc,
- Nightblade, DK
- Warden, Templar

For PvP:
- Sorcs, Nightblades
- Warden
- DK, Templar

ak_pvp wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Floor Sorcs? Those don't play PvP, and if they do, they are more on horseback than anywhere else. DKs and NBs are the majority classes at least in my experience at the moment, with the stam variety being more numerous. I seldom see any Sorcs on Sotha Sil PC EU.

mSorcs generally don´t favor nonCP as their defense mechanics are more reliant on CP (statbonus to magica) than for any other class.

For me i get around 35% nb 25% sorc 17% templar/DK 5% warden - with my killcounter.

Well take away a Stam DK's CP's and what are they then? The 2 highest DPS in PvE also are the deadliest in CP PvP. Zenimax balance everything with CP in mind. It's time to bring them down a notch, not buff them. Imagine as a Sorc, a Stam DK with 690 CP.

I have absolutely no issue with sorc nor with stamDK in their current state. I find sorc to be relatively weak offensively which is only remedied by their mobility in open world.
StamDk is probably the worst class in open world pvp right now - the only thing keeping them even relevant being tavas + bloodspawn and the 1h shield ultimate.

I can´t really place warden relative to other classes atm because they´re still underrepresented but for the original 4 classes i´d rate magica DK, NB and Templar all higher than sorc or stamDK. Same goes for stamblade in heavy and stamsorc in heavy. Have not fought enough stamplars.

Lel. Templar and mag DK higher than sorc? You must be kidding. Offensively Warden, nb/sorc, dk/temp.

Magdk is more variably better (more options and all decent) than a stamdk, but a stamdk running seventh, bloodspawn and a sustain set is much stronger than a Magdk. (essentially the procs equivalent that kept Stamade of life support) Both have issues with sustain and are the worst for utility in pvp now.

Magtemplar is in a sorry state, low mobility, low floaty damage and bad cc. Stamplar is just OK.

Stamnb and magnb has nice damage, and nice mobility, but are squish balls and I don't agree with some of the things that they did. Cloak breaks too easily (I had a thread that would help fix that, turned into a nerf NB vs buff NB thread)

Warden is all around strong but not absolute bis, my only issue is treetard spam.

Sorc is too much. Burst and mobility OK, I'd lower. Cost of streak and mines personly, shieldstack, rune prison and dark deal interrupt isnt OK, and gives sorcs too much

it's just proove you don't know how work the game, sorc isn't the best in 1v1.

Mag dk is extremelly powerfull and there is a ton of them in EU.

Also magplar are something like 40% of player in cyrodiil. and there are very good in duel.

You probably don't meet good player, but this is the truth, sorc is not OP when you go in duel and in cyrodiil on EU.

ak_pvp wrote: »

Me: Hey, let's get rid of shield stacking and replace it with other methods to survive. It's unfair they don't have to sacrifice any burst for permanent shielding and it doesn't have the counters of many others like defile or cost increase.

"WWWHHAAAAAAHHHHHH. They want to kill sorcs, havent we been nerfed enough :'("

M: But they have streak boundless and mines to keep range and mobility? I'm saying focus on this for defense. It's unfair that they have shields too.

"URGH Now these n00bs are saying streak is OP too, actshually I'll have you know it was nerfed to death, like. litterally ded bro, if u can't catch a sorc then delete eso."

M: OK, Rune prison is an unfair addition as sorcs already has a Strong ccs and can line up the burst, so it isn't needed. And it would completely replace DKs in pvp.

OMGWTF Sorc can't even run it, 3 bars isn't enough do u even play sorcs l2p wtf u pleb. Stop crying, roll sorcs hardest class we are the underdogs.

M: OK what about the lack of counterplay to dark deal/conversion, it has no risk to interrupt, and costs more to interrupt it than it does to be interrupted.

"LIKE O. M. GEEE. They want to remove sorcs sustaining. Dats no fair we deserve special treatment, losing stats to a counter is no fairrr."

The mob of rampant fotmers can't take any criticism. Notice, I don't want a mobility/damage nerf?

I just think you're looking at the wrong stuff..

I don't think I've seen any sorcs here defending stacking as being a good mechanism. They may defend the need to do stack within the current constraints of the class, and recognise the need for an alternative if it is removed. But most non-sorcs seem to think that asking for an alternative is asking for buffs...

Streak IS overrated. I saw your suggestions on the cost change - I'm pretty ambivalent about that. I don't think it will make a difference.. If you can't escape with 3 streaks, you're not going to - cost is kind of irrelevant. If mobility is to become the main defence (which I personally don't want - as its one of the reasons I stopped playing stamsorc) - then streak needs to move you out of gapclose range - or have a morph that jumps you backwards instead of forwards - cus half the time, when needing to escape, you have to do a 180 first, which kind of tells everyone to snare u and get ready to gap-close before you can even start making distance. Currently streak only works as an escape tool when combined with boundless AND a way to remove snares.

Not really seen anyone defending run-prison either... I don't think it should change from its current incarnation because I can see an instance where it will be too strong (nobody has touched on yet) - and yes, I have reported it to Zos asking to be changed.
They are correct though. Needing 2 slots for the fabled mobility, 3 for the famous shield-stack, an extra heal to help heal those shealdbreaker procs cos its a L2P issue, 4 for the standard sorc offensive toolkit, and that overpowered dark exchange for massive sustain... surge for major sorcery and heals for shieldbreaker.. kind of used 12/10 slots already... All this stuff that people seem to think all sorcs have in every package.... It doesn't actually fit.

People are just defending against some of the really stupid and overblown claims that keep popping up...


To clarify....

I already don't bother with dark-exchange/deal on either my magsorc or stam.. You simply don't get he windows to cast it when under pressure - so its much better to have enough sustain built in by conventional means... You can nerf it to oblivion (again) for all I care... doesn't matter - you're looking at the wrong thing.

I use streak on its own, without boundless (cos I have no room on my bars). It does NOT let me escape anyone, once already in melee range. It is useful for a quick reposition in larger-scale combat - and to streak through ball-groups that are coming right at me to minimise EOTS-contact time. That's about it.

I do shield-stack (only 2, never 3) - Stacking is where the sustain comes from - NOT dark exchange. And I don't see anyone arguing against @Derra's ideas to stop it. Personally, I'd like to see hardened just work with a different mechanic to harness.. like, maybe only partially stop the damage, but be affected by resists (ie make it so magsorcs can get a defensive benefit to wearing heavy and have less defence with light)..
The main reason I shield-stack is to have a defence ON BOTH BARS.. unlike dodge/block-based builds where you can have instant defence on any bar without needing to slot anything - to shield it HAS to be on the bar where its slotted.. and we all know how bad cyro can get for lag and screwing up bar-swaps.... Now why would I put the same shield on both bars when I can get the benefit of an overlap by having a different one and alternating? If they stopped shield stacking, I'd probably slot hardened in both bars to keep it 'on-demand'

No, most of what you seem to think iof as sorcs going 'WAAH' is sorcs saying stuff like... 'well, we're not actually top DPS in PVE anymore' and 'It does actually take a bit of skill to line up 4 skills to hit simultaneously' and 'please stop insulting me by saying all sorc players are noobs and 'floor-crawlers', and 'Cyro isn't really all sorcs'

Y'know correcting misconceptions, exaggerations and responding to generic insults... Oh and also pointing out that it would be wrong to nerf the wrong thing... Why? cos it won't make any difference and you'd still complain.

Remember in all this - it isn't the sorcs coming starting the thread with 'WAAAH'.. Its those who want the sorcs nerfed... Its the sorcs who are actually responding to the 'WAAAH's - not the other way around as you're now trying to make it.

Aedaryl wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Floor Sorcs? Those don't play PvP, and if they do, they are more on horseback than anywhere else. DKs and NBs are the majority classes at least in my experience at the moment, with the stam variety being more numerous. I seldom see any Sorcs on Sotha Sil PC EU.

mSorcs generally don´t favor nonCP as their defense mechanics are more reliant on CP (statbonus to magica) than for any other class.

For me i get around 35% nb 25% sorc 17% templar/DK 5% warden - with my killcounter.

Well take away a Stam DK's CP's and what are they then? The 2 highest DPS in PvE also are the deadliest in CP PvP. Zenimax balance everything with CP in mind. It's time to bring them down a notch, not buff them. Imagine as a Sorc, a Stam DK with 690 CP.

I have absolutely no issue with sorc nor with stamDK in their current state. I find sorc to be relatively weak offensively which is only remedied by their mobility in open world.
StamDk is probably the worst class in open world pvp right now - the only thing keeping them even relevant being tavas + bloodspawn and the 1h shield ultimate.

I can´t really place warden relative to other classes atm because they´re still underrepresented but for the original 4 classes i´d rate magica DK, NB and Templar all higher than sorc or stamDK. Same goes for stamblade in heavy and stamsorc in heavy. Have not fought enough stamplars.

Lel. Templar and mag DK higher than sorc? You must be kidding. Offensively Warden, nb/sorc, dk/temp.

Magdk is more variably better (more options and all decent) than a stamdk, but a stamdk running seventh, bloodspawn and a sustain set is much stronger than a Magdk. (essentially the procs equivalent that kept Stamade of life support) Both have issues with sustain and are the worst for utility in pvp now.

Magtemplar is in a sorry state, low mobility, low floaty damage and bad cc. Stamplar is just OK.

Stamnb and magnb has nice damage, and nice mobility, but are squish balls and I don't agree with some of the things that they did. Cloak breaks too easily (I had a thread that would help fix that, turned into a nerf NB vs buff NB thread)

Warden is all around strong but not absolute bis, my only issue is treetard spam.

Sorc is too much. Burst and mobility OK, I'd lower. Cost of streak and mines personly, shieldstack, rune prison and dark deal interrupt isnt OK, and gives sorcs too much

it's just proove you don't know how work the game, sorc isn't the best in 1v1.

Mag dk is extremelly powerfull and there is a ton of them in EU.

Also magplar are something like 40% of player in cyrodiil. and there are very good in duel.

You probably don't meet good player, but this is the truth, sorc is not OP when you go in duel and in cyrodiil on EU.

I think he isnt very wrong. Most trouble a lot of players (like me) have with magicka sorcs or nightblades with both playstyles. Only some permablocking DKs and some very strong stamina player are good against them, when we think about nearly same skilllevel..

Feanor wrote: »

@Kilandros

By the same standard most people in here would be disqualified discussing Sorcs. Traps are strong. You don't have to believe it, it's fine.

@Feanor As the resident expert on NB, why don't you explain why Trap beats out Mass Hysteria in open world PvP? Perhaps post some gameplay of you playing a NB open world?

Kilandros wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

@Kilandros

By the same standard most people in here would be disqualified discussing Sorcs. Traps are strong. You don't have to believe it, it's fine.

@Feanor As the resident expert on NB, why don't you explain why Trap beats out Mass Hysteria in open world PvP? Perhaps post some gameplay of you playing a NB open world?

They are two different things. Traps is denial of area and creating a safe zone. Mass Hysteria is on your face close up CC. You have the choice what suits your play style better. Of course Mass Hysteria was the only all around AoE CC (Streak only works in the direction the Sorc is streaking). It's the CC with the most issues on top of that.

Feanor wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

@Kilandros

By the same standard most people in here would be disqualified discussing Sorcs. Traps are strong. You don't have to believe it, it's fine.

@Feanor As the resident expert on NB, why don't you explain why Trap beats out Mass Hysteria in open world PvP? Perhaps post some gameplay of you playing a NB open world?

They are two different things. Traps is denial of area and creating a safe zone. Mass Hysteria is on your face close up CC. You have the choice what suits your play style better. Of course Mass Hysteria was the only all around AoE CC (Streak only works in the direction the Sorc is streaking). It's the CC with the most issues on top of that.

I understand the differences between the morphs. You don't need to explain that. What you do need to explain is how this is a "huge buff" when it is objectively a nerf to the popular morph.

Aedaryl wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Floor Sorcs? Those don't play PvP, and if they do, they are more on horseback than anywhere else. DKs and NBs are the majority classes at least in my experience at the moment, with the stam variety being more numerous. I seldom see any Sorcs on Sotha Sil PC EU.

mSorcs generally don´t favor nonCP as their defense mechanics are more reliant on CP (statbonus to magica) than for any other class.

For me i get around 35% nb 25% sorc 17% templar/DK 5% warden - with my killcounter.

Well take away a Stam DK's CP's and what are they then? The 2 highest DPS in PvE also are the deadliest in CP PvP. Zenimax balance everything with CP in mind. It's time to bring them down a notch, not buff them. Imagine as a Sorc, a Stam DK with 690 CP.

I have absolutely no issue with sorc nor with stamDK in their current state. I find sorc to be relatively weak offensively which is only remedied by their mobility in open world.
StamDk is probably the worst class in open world pvp right now - the only thing keeping them even relevant being tavas + bloodspawn and the 1h shield ultimate.

I can´t really place warden relative to other classes atm because they´re still underrepresented but for the original 4 classes i´d rate magica DK, NB and Templar all higher than sorc or stamDK. Same goes for stamblade in heavy and stamsorc in heavy. Have not fought enough stamplars.

Lel. Templar and mag DK higher than sorc? You must be kidding. Offensively Warden, nb/sorc, dk/temp.

Magdk is more variably better (more options and all decent) than a stamdk, but a stamdk running seventh, bloodspawn and a sustain set is much stronger than a Magdk. (essentially the procs equivalent that kept Stamade of life support) Both have issues with sustain and are the worst for utility in pvp now.

Magtemplar is in a sorry state, low mobility, low floaty damage and bad cc. Stamplar is just OK.

Stamnb and magnb has nice damage, and nice mobility, but are squish balls and I don't agree with some of the things that they did. Cloak breaks too easily (I had a thread that would help fix that, turned into a nerf NB vs buff NB thread)

Warden is all around strong but not absolute bis, my only issue is treetard spam.

Sorc is too much. Burst and mobility OK, I'd lower. Cost of streak and mines personly, shieldstack, rune prison and dark deal interrupt isnt OK, and gives sorcs too much

it's just proove you don't know how work the game, sorc isn't the best in 1v1.

Mag dk is extremelly powerfull and there is a ton of them in EU.

Also magplar are something like 40% of player in cyrodiil. and there are very good in duel.

You probably don't meet good player, but this is the truth, sorc is not OP when you go in duel and in cyrodiil on EU.

Magicka DK is really strong in duelling set up. Resto/Flames of Oblivion etc. That is true. You can't balance classes around a 1v1 but hard counters should be considered obviously.

If a MagDK went into Cyrodiil in duelling set up it wouldn't even make it to a large scale battle. Sorc has almost the same set up for both. It has everything within all its skills and now it's getting Petrify and more damage output too.

Kilandros wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

@Kilandros

By the same standard most people in here would be disqualified discussing Sorcs. Traps are strong. You don't have to believe it, it's fine.

@Feanor As the resident expert on NB, why don't you explain why Trap beats out Mass Hysteria in open world PvP? Perhaps post some gameplay of you playing a NB open world?

They are two different things. Traps is denial of area and creating a safe zone. Mass Hysteria is on your face close up CC. You have the choice what suits your play style better. Of course Mass Hysteria was the only all around AoE CC (Streak only works in the direction the Sorc is streaking). It's the CC with the most issues on top of that.

I understand the differences between the morphs. You don't need to explain that. What you do need to explain is how this is a "huge buff" when it is objectively a nerf to the popular morph.

It's a nerf to Mass Hysteria. Sure. ZOS has stated that their goal this Update was to buff underused abilities and make choices more meaningful. Hence traps got a sizeable buff and Mass Hysteria a nerf because Mass Hysteria was the predominant morph. Whether you think the buff to traps is sufficient is another thing. My opinion is that the ability got better overall. You can disagree.