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You Guys Could Nerf Soul Assault Anytime Zos!
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Koolio✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭scipionumatia wrote: »scipionumatia wrote: »If someone is using soul assault that means they're not blocking. Crit rush+ dragon leap leaves them wreked.
In theory that's works great. In ESO it doesn't work like that. They soul assault. You crit rush but get stuck in the crit rush animation and walk over to him. So you go for the dragon leap. It will bug out with your wings on the floor and it takes the ultimate away as if you used it. Now your at 10% health no ultimate. Lmao. Sad but true.
@Koolio
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Just yesterday I had someone try to do this in a 1v5 I managed to kill 4 but the invisible NB got me. One of the 4 tried to soul assault he got crit rushed + dragon leaped. If I wasn't still fighting his buddies he would of caught my bag :P
EDIT- also had a Templar try to gank me off my horse the other day near a resource, javelin, then soul assault, blocked the whole soul assault (cause my food ran out at the same time he started his gank... my fault for not paying attention to timer) then he started to Jesus beam, he caught a crit rush, bash, WB, leap. GG
I kill people that use it and die to it. Aggression works great. But with a lot of bugged out or broken abilities can make it difficult. Like crit rush or dragon leap both being very buggy. Or broken healing ward. Heavy attack animations getting stuck. Or for me (MNB) adds who bubble me over and over and over making almost every move available to a MNB reflectable. Like I said in theory full aggression is probably the best counter but with ZOS too many things are bugged to make it a solid counter.0 -
brandonv516✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Imo blocking is the only counter. I must know with my soulshine dual wield build
not even high ranked sorcs can shield away the 80k tooltip damage. Against block builds SA is a waste, but that is what Champion of light is for ( I know i run cancer ultis, but what else do i have on my solo play magplar).
Not sure what rank has to do with it but many "high rank" sorcs I've encountered can shield through a 95k tool tip.0 -
scipionumatia✭✭✭✭@Koolio
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Koolio✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭scipionumatia wrote: »@Koolio
I learned how to upload. Didn't go exactly as I remember but here's the link.https://youtu.be/PfGZ4SBCZKs
Crit rush Dragon leap. Ok I got this.
https://youtu.be/36ZQUlOXE3k 2 -
Jusey1✭✭✭✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »The counter is not just block. It is block, shield, heal through, line of sight, mist form, cloak, or cause damage to the caster so he/she is forced to stop the channel..
Knockback works too. The caster isn't immune to abilities that knocks them and force them to stop casting it.
Missed that one thanks!
Wut? Which abilities do you mean? I ask, because you ARE cc immune while channeling SA. That's what people complain about..
You aren't CC immune while using Soul Assault. Maybe immune to certain CC, sure, but not full on. There has been plenty of times where I accidentally used SA at a bad time and got knockbacked the moment I begun doing it.0 -
Neoauspex✭✭✭✭✭
✭If Soul Assault was aoe instead of single target, and it wasn't a channel but just followed you around while you cast other skills at your leisure, then I would say nerf it.
Wait a miiinnnnuuuuute...3 -
Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It looks "fine" to people who use it because they don't see the stamina bar from their opponents.I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.2 -
THEDKEXPERIENCE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »It looks "fine" to people who use it because they don't see the stamina bar from their opponents.
And take it away and watch the stamina players dominate again. Soul Assault and Radiant Oppression are what keeps you wacky stamina players from destroying all of us magic folk.
I only equip it to exploit EXACTLY what you said. That's what you get for being able to burst down 90% of the players. Sometimes you get the bear and sometimes the bear gets you except in this case it's not a bear, it's a giant blue magic shotgun.0 -
KingJ✭✭✭✭✭
✭@THEDKEXPERIENCE are we really gonna have to argue about stam being underpowered with proc sets being nerfed and magic builds having way better survivability with a light or heavy setup compared to a Meduim armor stambuild where Soul assault is not even needed anymore.Edited by KingJ on September 13, 2017 8:36PM1 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I still don't get how people can be defending something that gives you a free kill on any non S&B medium armor user.
It'd be like defending multiple procs instagibbing people. Hmm...
Maybe you fail to look at it from other perspectives.
Yes, there actually are people who don't have spammable dmg shields or heals to mitigate it, people who don't block more than 50% of incoming dmg and don't have block cost reduction. People who don't mitigate more than 10%'ish of incoming damage (after applying buffs/debuffs & penetration) with spell resistance.THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »It looks "fine" to people who use it because they don't see the stamina bar from their opponents.
And take it away and watch the stamina players dominate again. Soul Assault and Radiant Oppression are what keeps you wacky stamina players from destroying all of us magic folk.
I only equip it to exploit EXACTLY what you said. That's what you get for being able to burst down 90% of the players. Sometimes you get the bear and sometimes the bear gets you except in this case it's not a bear, it's a giant blue magic shotgun.
Plenty of other cancer builds out there that do just fine vs the non-meta medium armor stamina builds (the only ones really affected by Soul Assault). Example.
Also, I don't recall stamina builds "dominating" at any point of time, except maybe when proc sets could crit.
Magicka Sorcs/Templars have always been top tier and magicka DK occasionally as well.Edited by DDuke on September 13, 2017 8:45PM2 -
THEDKEXPERIENCE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭@THEDKEXPERIENCE are we really gonna have to argue about stam being underpowered with proc sets being nerfed and magic builds having way better survivability with a light or heavy setup compared to a Meduim armor stambuild where Soul assault is not even needed anymore.
No. What I'm saying was BEFORE SA was fixed stamina was running wild. This was about a year ago. Now the game is as balanced as ever. If you are choosing to get the benefits of medium armor then you simply have to understand that SA is the paper to your rock.5 -
THEDKEXPERIENCE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I still don't get how people can be defending something that gives you a free kill on any non S&B medium armor user.
It'd be like defending multiple procs instagibbing people. Hmm...
Maybe you fail to look at it from other perspectives.
Yes, there actually are people who don't have spammable dmg shields or heals to mitigate it, people who don't block more than 50% of incoming dmg and don't have block cost reduction. People who don't mitigate more than 10%'ish of incoming damage (after applying buffs/debuffs & penetration) with spell resistance.THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »It looks "fine" to people who use it because they don't see the stamina bar from their opponents.
And take it away and watch the stamina players dominate again. Soul Assault and Radiant Oppression are what keeps you wacky stamina players from destroying all of us magic folk.
I only equip it to exploit EXACTLY what you said. That's what you get for being able to burst down 90% of the players. Sometimes you get the bear and sometimes the bear gets you except in this case it's not a bear, it's a giant blue magic shotgun.
Plenty of other cancer builds out there that do just fine vs the non-meta medium armor stamina builds (the only ones really affected by Soul Assault). Example.
Also, I don't recall stamina builds "dominating" at any point of time, except maybe when proc sets could crit.
Magicka Sorcs/Templars have always been top tier and magicka DK occasionally as well.
365 days ago. August 2016 through the January patch stamina straight up DOMINATED Cyrodiil. Only after SA was changed and roll backs on procs happened did we get to a more level playing field.
If you were not playing a magic toon in early fall 2016 you have no idea how bad it was. It was truly the Stampocalypse.2 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »I still don't get how people can be defending something that gives you a free kill on any non S&B medium armor user.
It'd be like defending multiple procs instagibbing people. Hmm...
Maybe you fail to look at it from other perspectives.
Yes, there actually are people who don't have spammable dmg shields or heals to mitigate it, people who don't block more than 50% of incoming dmg and don't have block cost reduction. People who don't mitigate more than 10%'ish of incoming damage (after applying buffs/debuffs & penetration) with spell resistance.THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »It looks "fine" to people who use it because they don't see the stamina bar from their opponents.
And take it away and watch the stamina players dominate again. Soul Assault and Radiant Oppression are what keeps you wacky stamina players from destroying all of us magic folk.
I only equip it to exploit EXACTLY what you said. That's what you get for being able to burst down 90% of the players. Sometimes you get the bear and sometimes the bear gets you except in this case it's not a bear, it's a giant blue magic shotgun.
Plenty of other cancer builds out there that do just fine vs the non-meta medium armor stamina builds (the only ones really affected by Soul Assault). Example.
Also, I don't recall stamina builds "dominating" at any point of time, except maybe when proc sets could crit.
Magicka Sorcs/Templars have always been top tier and magicka DK occasionally as well.
365 days ago. August 2016 through the January patch stamina straight up DOMINATED Cyrodiil. Only after SA was changed and roll backs on procs happened did we get to a more level playing field.
If you were not playing a magic toon in early fall 2016 you have no idea how bad it was. It was truly the Stampocalypse.
Lol.
August 2016 I was getting free kills on every stamina build with my Malubeth(/Skoria)+Fasallas magplar and making posts here on the forums about how *** stamblade was and how it needed buffs.
Nice try though. Are you sure you don't mean October 2016, when One Tamriel launched and introduced fan favourite sets as CP160, such as Viper & Red Mountain? Sets which were then subsequently (and deservedly) nerfed multiple times.Edited by DDuke on September 13, 2017 8:55PM0 -
THEDKEXPERIENCE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »I still don't get how people can be defending something that gives you a free kill on any non S&B medium armor user.
It'd be like defending multiple procs instagibbing people. Hmm...
Maybe you fail to look at it from other perspectives.
Yes, there actually are people who don't have spammable dmg shields or heals to mitigate it, people who don't block more than 50% of incoming dmg and don't have block cost reduction. People who don't mitigate more than 10%'ish of incoming damage (after applying buffs/debuffs & penetration) with spell resistance.THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »It looks "fine" to people who use it because they don't see the stamina bar from their opponents.
And take it away and watch the stamina players dominate again. Soul Assault and Radiant Oppression are what keeps you wacky stamina players from destroying all of us magic folk.
I only equip it to exploit EXACTLY what you said. That's what you get for being able to burst down 90% of the players. Sometimes you get the bear and sometimes the bear gets you except in this case it's not a bear, it's a giant blue magic shotgun.
Plenty of other cancer builds out there that do just fine vs the non-meta medium armor stamina builds (the only ones really affected by Soul Assault). Example.
Also, I don't recall stamina builds "dominating" at any point of time, except maybe when proc sets could crit.
Magicka Sorcs/Templars have always been top tier and magicka DK occasionally as well.
365 days ago. August 2016 through the January patch stamina straight up DOMINATED Cyrodiil. Only after SA was changed and roll backs on procs happened did we get to a more level playing field.
If you were not playing a magic toon in early fall 2016 you have no idea how bad it was. It was truly the Stampocalypse.
Lol.
August 2016 I was getting free kills on every stamina build with my Malubeth(/Skoria)+Fasallas magplar and making posts here on the forums about how *** stamblade was and how it needed buffs.
Nice try though.
Let me rephrase... everyone who isn't a cheater was getting destroyed by stamina players. Bringing up Malubeth ... SMH.0 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »I still don't get how people can be defending something that gives you a free kill on any non S&B medium armor user.
It'd be like defending multiple procs instagibbing people. Hmm...
Maybe you fail to look at it from other perspectives.
Yes, there actually are people who don't have spammable dmg shields or heals to mitigate it, people who don't block more than 50% of incoming dmg and don't have block cost reduction. People who don't mitigate more than 10%'ish of incoming damage (after applying buffs/debuffs & penetration) with spell resistance.THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »It looks "fine" to people who use it because they don't see the stamina bar from their opponents.
And take it away and watch the stamina players dominate again. Soul Assault and Radiant Oppression are what keeps you wacky stamina players from destroying all of us magic folk.
I only equip it to exploit EXACTLY what you said. That's what you get for being able to burst down 90% of the players. Sometimes you get the bear and sometimes the bear gets you except in this case it's not a bear, it's a giant blue magic shotgun.
Plenty of other cancer builds out there that do just fine vs the non-meta medium armor stamina builds (the only ones really affected by Soul Assault). Example.
Also, I don't recall stamina builds "dominating" at any point of time, except maybe when proc sets could crit.
Magicka Sorcs/Templars have always been top tier and magicka DK occasionally as well.
365 days ago. August 2016 through the January patch stamina straight up DOMINATED Cyrodiil. Only after SA was changed and roll backs on procs happened did we get to a more level playing field.
If you were not playing a magic toon in early fall 2016 you have no idea how bad it was. It was truly the Stampocalypse.
Lol.
August 2016 I was getting free kills on every stamina build with my Malubeth(/Skoria)+Fasallas magplar and making posts here on the forums about how *** stamblade was and how it needed buffs.
Nice try though.
Let me rephrase... everyone who isn't a cheater was getting destroyed by stamina players. Bringing up Malubeth ... SMH.
Oh, Malubeth just meant you could tank a dozen stamina builds - killing just 1-4 at a time with Skoria was no problem either (and faster).0 -
Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »It looks "fine" to people who use it because they don't see the stamina bar from their opponents.
And take it away and watch the stamina players dominate again. Soul Assault and Radiant Oppression are what keeps you wacky stamina players from destroying all of us magic folk.
I only equip it to exploit EXACTLY what you said. That's what you get for being able to burst down 90% of the players. Sometimes you get the bear and sometimes the bear gets you except in this case it's not a bear, it's a giant blue magic shotgun.
Stamina and medium armor got only nerfed (directly and indirectly) over the last year and many nerfs did also hit non proc builds which have never been a problem (speaking about medium armor, not about Black Rose, Legion etc). If you think that stamina players will destroy all of the magica folk while pretending that magicka (especially magicka templars and magicka dks) are in a weak spot right now makes every further discussion pointless.I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.1 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I play a stamina nighrblade and all the stam users crying here are exaggerating their cloak off.
Now if you want to talk about nerfs let's talk Dizzying Swing!
That one is like playing golf with players, feel like yelling fore when I use it.Edited by TequilaFire on September 13, 2017 9:14PM0 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Go to the search bar and enter "stampocalypse".
I'll wait.
Am I missing something? March 27th this year is the earliest post and half of the "stampocalypse" references seem to come from you.
Or do you mean google search? That turned up no results, same with youtube.
You'll have to help me out here.
Meanwhile, I did dig up some posts to remind us of this game's past:
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/2eplpr/the_elder_staves_online/
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/2rgbf8/still_elder_staves_online/Edited by DDuke on September 13, 2017 9:15PM0 -
s7732425ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭scipionumatia wrote: »@Koolio
I learned how to upload. Didn't go exactly as I remember but here's the link.https://youtu.be/PfGZ4SBCZKs
This video only shows that you were fighting a jab spamming noob who doesn't know how to 1v1 properly. Also, who uses Soul Assault while their opponent is at full health and playing defensively? Soul Assault should really only be used as an execute.1 -
POps75p✭✭✭✭mmolegends44 wrote: »the title explains it all nothing left unsaid.
kiss my fucken ass, you guys and you baby ass playing skills, always want something nerf when you get killed. grow the *** up0 -
Unfadingsilence✭✭✭✭✭
✭mmolegends44 wrote: »the title explains it all nothing left unsaid.
Just another L2P post right here its an easy ultimate to counter0 -
scipionumatia✭✭✭✭@s7732425ub17_ESO
@Koolio
I've got other videos of me wrecking soul assault users if you'd like me to upload em to YouTube. Also I can start recording every time I kill one if you like, granted I don't see many people using this ultimate all that often.
Edit- also the point I'm trying to make is it's not as lethal as many here are trying to make it seem. As you see in the video I was down to about half health after initial damage, and food wearing off in the beginning of the fight. I survived the whole channel, I didn't actually engage him until he started using RD. My stam wasn't hurt that bad as you can see and I don't have an uncommonly large stam pool, I think at the time of recording it was around 32k stam?
So how'd I survive?
1- block
2- vigor ticks + maintain uptime on burning heart passive
** double edit- looks like i didn't even have vigor or rally up, survived it with 0 heals**
Like I said earlier, when someone is channeling this they aren't blocking, they will eat all your damage right to the face and as long as you can burst faster than their soul assault ticks you shouldn't have a problem.
Edited by scipionumatia on September 14, 2017 2:48AMScipio Numantia Red guard Nightblade PvP- AD
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Altmer Nightblade PvP- EP
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Caethus Argonian Templar (HEAL) PvE- EP
Vale Oso Nord Sorc (DPS) PvE- AD
Sir-Galahad-the-pure Altmer Sorc (DPS) PvE- EP
Scipionumantine Imperial Templar PvP- EP
Un-bearable Imperial Warden PVP- EP
Vale Bear Altmer Warden PvP- EP
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