Put your Banker/Merchant away

Flowersquisher · August 2017

BTW, OP , try to relax a bit, IT'S JUST A GAME!

Osteos · August 2017

A tank asked me to put away my black senche pet because it was large and distracting for him. I said ok and put it away.

peoplecallmeleo · August 2017

OP has a very valid response to this situation. I personally leave when people act like that and it has nothing to do with control its just annoying to have a distracting thing running all over the place. For the people to refuse to put away merchants is just dumb you gain nothing by having it out running all over the place

ZiRM · August 2017

ZOS_KatP wrote: »

We have removed several posts from this thread due to derailing. Please keep all discussion on topic or we will close it.

Thanks.

You missed a few of them, favoritism?

Just keep telling people how to play, they love it!! If they want to leave them out who are you to tell them to put them away?

AlMcFly · August 2017

ZiRM wrote: »

ZOS_KatP wrote: »

We have removed several posts from this thread due to derailing. Please keep all discussion on topic or we will close it.

Thanks.

You missed a few of them, favoritism?

Just keep telling people how to play, they love it!! If they want to leave them out who are you to tell them to put them away?

Lols, I'm certainly not one of those favorites. I've had many temporary ESO forum bans in the past when I've let my emotions override my civility.

ZiRM · August 2017

AlMcFly wrote: »

ZiRM wrote: »

ZOS_KatP wrote: »

We have removed several posts from this thread due to derailing. Please keep all discussion on topic or we will close it.

Thanks.

You missed a few of them, favoritism?

Just keep telling people how to play, they love it!! If they want to leave them out who are you to tell them to put them away?

Lols, I'm certainly not one of those favorites. I've had many temporary ESO forum bans in the past when I've let my emotions override my civility.

I wasn't talking about you but I don't agree with the thread topic. To each their own...

Trashkan · August 2017

This thread makes me want to rock my merchant all the time. Why would you want to get rid of a perfectly good merchant who will buy all your junk in an instant? Tell me what is the meaning of this?????????????

akl77 · August 2017

AlMcFly wrote: »

ZiRM wrote: »

ZOS_KatP wrote: »

We have removed several posts from this thread due to derailing. Please keep all discussion on topic or we will close it.

Thanks.

You missed a few of them, favoritism?

Just keep telling people how to play, they love it!! If they want to leave them out who are you to tell them to put them away?

Lols, I'm certainly not one of those favorites. I've had many temporary ESO forum bans in the past when I've let my emotions override my civility.

No wonder I remember your name, you are quite famous.

Aurie · August 2017

ZOS_KatP wrote: »

We have removed several posts from this thread due to derailing. Please keep all discussion on topic or we will close it.

Thanks.

It's called tangential discussion flow.

Trashkan · August 2017

Honestly though I don't have merchant out hardly ever but this is making me want to because people are so concerned about everyone else. Give me 1 good reason to change my mind and I won't. Does it bother you when you are doing a quest and you have a npc following you? Does it distract you? Tell me!!!!!!!

starkerealm · August 2017

zaria wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Yeah well try be a tank while there are pet sorc builds, then you see the meaning of annoying.
Those builds can kill a dungeon strat for a tank.

May i ask for why? Just curious.

Because the pets pull agro on their own and can completely mess up controlling the battlefield and resource management for tanks.
it's annoying when for example, I am tanking a boss, keeping the agro away from my team faced towards me, a pet comes and the boss does a 180 and heads towards the pet/team

More than that, the Clanfear actually has a taunt. I'm not sure what the parameters are where it can fire, until Morrowind it could taunt Trial bosses. It might not be able to taunt dungeon bosses, I'm honestly not sure.

Only the clanfear has an taunt, its not supposed to could taunt if other than sorc attack the enemy. You would never use an clanfear in an group anyway as it does crap dps and you have an tank.

I have used it in groups, actually. Usually when I'm too lazy to unslot it, and the group is running a full DPS burndown run. Now, I wouldn't inflict it on PUGs, but that's a different consideration.

That said, over the years, the Clanfear's taunt has not been consistent, to the point that I'd be willing to say it taunts whenever it feels like it. And, yes, it will taunt in a group. I've seen that happen enough times.

linoge63 · August 2017

I'm by no means an advanced player but those bloody bears sit on the dolman chests and its a bob n weave fest to interact with it...

AlMcFly · August 2017

Trashkan wrote: »

Honestly though I don't have merchant out hardly ever but this is making me want to because people are so concerned about everyone else. Give me 1 good reason to change my mind and I won't. Does it bother you when you are doing a quest and you have a npc following you? Does it distract you? Tell me!!!!!!!

Fair enough. Here's one example of Merchant being an annoyance:

Running through Volenfell, there are a lot of doors and switches you interact with. The four of us dinked around for like 2 minutes trying to go through a door, but somehow the Tank's merchant became positioned right in front of it, causing none of us to get the interaction prompt for the door. All we could see was the Merchant prompt. I asked several times for the tank to move further away from the door for a sec, but they were either ignoring chat or not understanding. Eventually we got through the door. Same thing happened at one of the Levers in that stage. I also got thrown into the Merchant twice as I was looting mob trash corpses. I asked if they would put it away but they just lol'd at me. By the time I became really annoyed, we were at the HM final boss and I just finished with the group, later adding this Tank to my Ignore List.

That was just one run, in a night where Merchants/Bankers were present in two other later runs. You may not agree that this is annoying, but you cannot refute he FACT that none of this would happen if stowed.

There.

alexkdd99 · August 2017

akl77 wrote: »

Guys, there are a lot of people who are not playing the English version of ESO, and they don't read English chat cos they don't understand English. If only ZOS would translate chat into their ESO language version as well. Just watch twich ESO, you'll see their ESO is in a foreign language and chats are still in English and a wall of English in chat doesn't mean they get what u r saying.

Atleast for those playing on na server most know English. Atleast I have yet to run across anyone on xbox na who doesn't know English. I imagine it is much different on EU servers.

There are 0 reasons why a banker or merchant should be out during combat.

AlMcFly · August 2017

Inarre wrote: »

AlMcFly wrote: »

Inarre wrote: »

I am on good terms with all of my guild leaders personally, and if they saw this post they would laugh that you are wasting their time with this.

It's a good thing I don't belong to guilds whose leaders laugh at guild members which have grievances against another guild member stemming from a lack of courtesy, no matter how illegitimate they personally believe the grievance to be.

Your grievance is regarding pets in dungeons first and foremost. Most guildleaders are busy dealing with issues such as:
Generating enough income for trader bids

Organising events

Tracking guild and Officer activity

Managing the guild bank

Overseeing guild officers

Dealing with inactives

Dealing with reports of scamming

Dealing with verbal assaults in Teamspeak or in Guild Chat

Having been a guild leader in a past life, the "This person won't put his pet away" would make me shake my head and sigh. Being a guild leader is a leader, not a mother.

Secondly your grievance, if I understand, is that people aren't obeying your orders. Your unwillingness to compromise is just as much at fault for causing issue here as they are when they decide not to obey you. If I WAS your mother I'd ground all of you and take away your keyboards.

I just now saw this post as I cannot get on ESO Forums on my work computer, and must rely on my cell phone in downtime (easy to scroll past comments). Now that I'm home:

You have vastly misunderstood my grievance and this is the second time you've injected this "disobey" rhetoric trying to keep me painted in an authoritarian light, when I've given examples many times that I never demanded anything. It's a pretty scummy debate tactic to warp a person's words into a different argument, and argue against that. It's also fallacious. You then included unnecessary "your mother" phrase to trivialize my situation, and imply that I'm young (when in actuality, I'm probably quite a bit older than you). I retort back that only children rely on this type of argumentation because they lack the intelligence to win a disagreement solely on the merits of their position and argument. For this reason alone, you're now on my Ignore List, as I don't like consorting with people who rely on mockery, Strawman, and Ad Hominem to convey their points. I weep for any children you rear into this world with your "methods" of conflict resolution.

1. Never once did I demand anything, as I have said twice now (L2Read). I asked, they did not oblige, I left.
2. The grievance I would be taking to guild leaders has nothing to do with their use of merchants in a dungeon. You completely missed this in my writing (Again L2Read). The grievance is your reaction and childish bullying that you insist on continuing in this thread. I don't know a single guild leader, who cares about the cohesiveness of his/her members, who wouldn't find this information important. After all, a guild's members are by proxy, an extension of the guild, and a representation of that guild.

So you've run guilds. Have a cookie. I've run many. You're not special.

makerofthings · August 2017

I always put it away after use and that goes for the banker/merchant as well.

zaria · August 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Yeah well try be a tank while there are pet sorc builds, then you see the meaning of annoying.
Those builds can kill a dungeon strat for a tank.

May i ask for why? Just curious.

Because the pets pull agro on their own and can completely mess up controlling the battlefield and resource management for tanks.
it's annoying when for example, I am tanking a boss, keeping the agro away from my team faced towards me, a pet comes and the boss does a 180 and heads towards the pet/team

More than that, the Clanfear actually has a taunt. I'm not sure what the parameters are where it can fire, until Morrowind it could taunt Trial bosses. It might not be able to taunt dungeon bosses, I'm honestly not sure.

Only the clanfear has an taunt, its not supposed to could taunt if other than sorc attack the enemy. You would never use an clanfear in an group anyway as it does crap dps and you have an tank.

I have used it in groups, actually. Usually when I'm too lazy to unslot it, and the group is running a full DPS burndown run. Now, I wouldn't inflict it on PUGs, but that's a different consideration.

That said, over the years, the Clanfear's taunt has not been consistent, to the point that I'd be willing to say it taunts whenever it feels like it. And, yes, it will taunt in a group. I've seen that happen enough times.

It should not hold agro if target is hit by other than you.
Yes this could be used in dungeons with no tank runs clanfear hold boss while group kills adds or secondary bosses.
Pets can also take argo even without taunt like players do if tank don't taunts.
One more common issue is that pet end up fighting one lonely add at the side preventing add from running into the aoe.

Horowonnoe · August 2017

zaria wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Yeah well try be a tank while there are pet sorc builds, then you see the meaning of annoying.
Those builds can kill a dungeon strat for a tank.

May i ask for why? Just curious.

Because the pets pull agro on their own and can completely mess up controlling the battlefield and resource management for tanks.
it's annoying when for example, I am tanking a boss, keeping the agro away from my team faced towards me, a pet comes and the boss does a 180 and heads towards the pet/team

More than that, the Clanfear actually has a taunt. I'm not sure what the parameters are where it can fire, until Morrowind it could taunt Trial bosses. It might not be able to taunt dungeon bosses, I'm honestly not sure.

Only the clanfear has an taunt, its not supposed to could taunt if other than sorc attack the enemy. You would never use an clanfear in an group anyway as it does crap dps and you have an tank.

Clannifer does good dps actually. I use it everywhere, except on mage vAA HM.

Pele · August 2017

Enslaved wrote: »

I think I would look for new healer as well. Control issues much? Tanks are only true leaders in any PvE content.

I'm a tank, and I completely agree with the OP. It has nothing to do control and everything to do with common courtesy to your fellow groupmates. I think it's very inconsiderate to have assistants out because they add to the visual clutter. It's also incongruous because they casually stroll around mobs completely oblivious to the fact that you and your group are fighting those mobs.

I don't care if you bring out your assistants between encounters. I'll even wait while you use them, but please put them away after use. I won't kick you for it, but I don't fault anyone who does kick especially after they ask their teammates to put them away and the teammates refuse.

TL;DR - Stowing assistants so they don't add to visual noise is a simple courtesy to your fellow groupmates. And it's not an unreasonable request to ask groupmates to put them away considering the assistants are player-sized, not translucent, constantly moving objects.

Feanor · August 2017

That whole "play as you want" and "sure you can do what you f*** like" is the sole reason PUGs are the trash experience they are 99% of the time.

Nerouyn · August 2017

Personally I think their functionality should be changed.

They should be immobile and disappear after you move a certain distance away and / or after a certain amount of time of not being used.

That would solve this problem plus others. The game would look much less like a giant clone convention, with players understandably not bothering to dismiss them much of the time in their current form. And if they're not permanently out and following players, that might also make customising them more feasible in terms of network requirements for communicating their customisation data.

I also find them slightly annoying in their current form because I need to stand still while others finish using them. I'd prefer to just be able to spawn it, walk away and let others complete their business while I get on with mine.

Zaldan · August 2017

Stinkyremy wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Yeah well try be a tank while there are pet sorc builds, then you see the meaning of annoying.
Those builds can kill a dungeon strat for a tank.

May i ask for why? Just curious.

Because the pets pull agro on their own and can completely mess up controlling the battlefield and resource management for tanks.
it's annoying when for example, I am tanking a boss, keeping the agro away from my team faced towards me, a pet comes and the boss does a 180 and heads towards the pet/team

More than that, the Clanfear actually has a taunt. I'm not sure what the parameters are where it can fire, until Morrowind it could taunt Trial bosses. It might not be able to taunt dungeon bosses, I'm honestly not sure.

yeah it taunts bosses, I've had it taunt a few bosses in base dungeons before.
It really messes the flow of the battle up.

this should be a bug then, ZO$ patched pets making them unable to taunt when grouped, not seen any patch that changed that back

The unstable familiar (as well as the pets from the morphs of this ability) will no longer taunt monsters if the monster is engaged with other player characters.

patch 1.6.5

DoonerSeraph · August 2017

vamp_emily wrote: »

I think a lot of people overreact in this game. Zone chat doesn't bother me, bankers and merchants out don't bother me, proc sets, poisons, and getting killed by a zerg does not bother me. Most things don't bother me.

However, I do overreact in PvP. If the enemy is attacking, I will kindly say something like "Ash UA". If people don't show up to defend, I turn into a total witch and say things like, "Omg! it does not take 20 minutes to get to Ash" or "I guess all the good players logged off" or "You guys can't defend anything. I gave you a warning before they even started sieging, L2Defend".

If you are EP or AD don't bother, half of your faction must be at Alessia-Sejanus bridge being farmed

PS: I'm EP.

Saucy_Jack · August 2017

Also, people need to put away their stanky-arse warden bears while I'm farming urns for furniture plans in Vvardenfell. Do you need your bear to loot urns? It is a trained urn-looting bear? Then put it back into the horrifying void of eternal suffering that all magic pets exist in when they're not summoned.

wenchmore420b14_ESO · August 2017

@Pele hit it right on the nose.
Common Courtesy!
Anyone know or remember this? This is the main point.
When any of my guilds run dungeons/trials/etc., it is a given at the start that we put away vanity pets, check food, check weapons,etc.
At points during run, we stop. "Who needs a banker?" "Who needs a merchant?". We empty our bags... "Everyone done?" Ok, assistants get put up...We continue on...Simple really...

Being in a group means just that, you are working together towards a goal. To refuse a simple request from your group just to be a A**H***, well, I guess that shows your true personality. In game and out.

No, assistants and vanity pets don't affect mobs and bosses, but there is a reason you can't use them in Cyrodiil. They DO cause FPS drain, even if a little, so why not put them away except to be annoying?
Sometimes I think "Being Nice" and "Common Courtesy" are becoming as rare as Aetheric Ciphers!
My 2 Drakes...
Huzzah!

vamp_emily · August 2017

I run trials on Tues, Weds, and 3 on Friday and 3 on Saturday, plus I do pledges too. For over a year, my little dog has done every dungeon and trial with me, and nobody has said anything.

That is why I enjoying being part of FDR. We are friendly, don't cry about silly things and we complete 99.99% of all our pledges and trials. ( I would say 100% of the time but I can't complete Vet ICP, no matter how many times I try ).

What is annoying? the person with the merchant/banker/pet or the person that flips out about every little thing that they don't like?

Mureel · August 2017

SydneyGrey wrote: »

It's annoying when people have them out at dolmens, too. Holy crud it's annoying. Dungeons would be even worse.

lol I actually got SO annoyed at some goober with the merchant out at a dolmen farm....didn't say anything but I was like 'omgz can you put that away fuxake!!?'

It was my merchant that I'd forgotten to put away.

Grabmoore · August 2017

Horowonnoe wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Yeah well try be a tank while there are pet sorc builds, then you see the meaning of annoying.
Those builds can kill a dungeon strat for a tank.

May i ask for why? Just curious.

Because the pets pull agro on their own and can completely mess up controlling the battlefield and resource management for tanks.
it's annoying when for example, I am tanking a boss, keeping the agro away from my team faced towards me, a pet comes and the boss does a 180 and heads towards the pet/team

More than that, the Clanfear actually has a taunt. I'm not sure what the parameters are where it can fire, until Morrowind it could taunt Trial bosses. It might not be able to taunt dungeon bosses, I'm honestly not sure.

Only the clanfear has an taunt, its not supposed to could taunt if other than sorc attack the enemy. You would never use an clanfear in an group anyway as it does crap dps and you have an tank.

Clannifer does good dps actually. I use it everywhere, except on mage vAA HM.

Do yourself a favour and remorph to the scamp. It is miles stronger.

@thread: It is understandable to put it away in a raid. However, getting distracted in a dungeon is more a l2p issue imo. If you leave, the rest might be better of without you anyways.

Trashkan · August 2017

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

@Pele hit it right on the nose.
Common Courtesy!
Anyone know or remember this? This is the main point.
When any of my guilds run dungeons/trials/etc., it is a given at the start that we put away vanity pets, check food, check weapons,etc.
At points during run, we stop. "Who needs a banker?" "Who needs a merchant?". We empty our bags... "Everyone done?" Ok, assistants get put up...We continue on...Simple really...

Being in a group means just that, you are working together towards a goal. To refuse a simple request from your group just to be a A**H***, well, I guess that shows your true personality. In game and out.

No, assistants and vanity pets don't affect mobs and bosses, but there is a reason you can't use them in Cyrodiil. They DO cause FPS drain, even if a little, so why not put them away except to be annoying?
Sometimes I think "Being Nice" and "Common Courtesy" are becoming as rare as Aetheric Ciphers!
My 2 Drakes...
Huzzah!

Trials are one thing but a random pug dungeon raid???? Sounds like we got some control freaks who actually only care about themselves and not others. Now if I put an x.p cake in front of the door to troll group that is kinda rude but for you to even tell me how to play my game when it does not effect ANYTHING is rude on your part. On that note this thread is only gonna make things worse meaning ya I'm gonna pull it out just to troll people now because once again don't tell me how to play my game.

starlizard70ub17_ESO · August 2017

Trashkan wrote: »

Honestly though I don't have merchant out hardly ever but this is making me want to because people are so concerned about everyone else. Give me 1 good reason to change my mind and I won't. Does it bother you when you are doing a quest and you have a npc following you? Does it distract you? Tell me!!!!!!!

Depends on the NPC, there have been a few NPCs I've wanted to kill more then the mobs. There's this one idiot bard who sings "Sway as we kiss" while you're trying to lead him to safety through a goblin/wolf infested area. Wanted to turn around and stick a sword through him quite a few times.