Put your Banker/Merchant away

anitajoneb17_ESO

vamp_emily wrote: »

What is annoying? the person with the merchant/banker/pet or the person that flips out about every little thing that they don't like?

It is not "a little thing" and many people have explained why.
Even if you think it's not a problem, you might be able to understand why it can be a problem to others.
On the other hand, what is the advantage of having your assistants out during combat ? NONE, no matter how you look at it.
Undoubtedly, the person with the assistant is the annoying one.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Trashkan wrote: »

Trials are one thing but a random pug dungeon raid???? Sounds like we got some control freaks who actually only care about themselves and not others. Now if I put an x.p cake in front of the door to troll group that is kinda rude but for you to even tell me how to play my game when it does not effect ANYTHING is rude on your part. On that note this thread is only gonna make things worse meaning ya I'm gonna pull it out just to troll people now because once again don't tell me how to play my game.

It DOES affect visuals and it has been explained several times all over this thread.
Why is it so hard for some people to understand ???

Besides, I fail to understand your logic. Because one person says something in a forum that you disagree with, now you're going to do the arguably annoying thing all the time, just in case you might annoy more people and enjoy it ... ???

buttaface

Didn't read whole thread. I don't like seeing them in the world constantly out either running behind mounted characters, not just dungeons, it spoils immersion. That anyone would question this or not understand this intuitively highlights the biggest problem with MMOS... People of Walmart Playerbase, trolls and the obtuse included, not the devs or design flaws, but the player base.

However, along design lines, they should despawn after being out more than one minute unused... and have a reasonable CD to boot. Problem solved.

Reverb

I stand by my initial post in this thread. Yes it's annoying when people leave assistants out during group combat, and yes people should put them away. But unless it's a coordinated group doing a trial for a competitive score, it's not something to get worked up about. It's inconsequential, and far better to let it go for the sake of group harmony than to throw a tantrum, quit, and put people on ignore over.

And as this thread has developed, I've come to really hope I'm on OPs ignore list. I may start leaving my banker out in dungeon pugs just to assure my spot there.

Rainraven

Saucy_Jack wrote: »

Do you need your bear to loot urns? It is a trained urn-looting bear?

Maybe it is! You don't know that bear's life!

Sorry, not mocking your frustration, you just made me laugh.

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starkerealm wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Yeah well try be a tank while there are pet sorc builds, then you see the meaning of annoying.
Those builds can kill a dungeon strat for a tank.

May i ask for why? Just curious.

Because the pets pull agro on their own and can completely mess up controlling the battlefield and resource management for tanks.
it's annoying when for example, I am tanking a boss, keeping the agro away from my team faced towards me, a pet comes and the boss does a 180 and heads towards the pet/team

More than that, the Clanfear actually has a taunt. I'm not sure what the parameters are where it can fire, until Morrowind it could taunt Trial bosses. It might not be able to taunt dungeon bosses, I'm honestly not sure.

They removed the force taunt on the sorc pets, so any aggro pulling is either a bug or you aren't refreshing taunt soon enough.

Mureel

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Trashkan wrote: »

Trials are one thing but a random pug dungeon raid???? Sounds like we got some control freaks who actually only care about themselves and not others. Now if I put an x.p cake in front of the door to troll group that is kinda rude but for you to even tell me how to play my game when it does not effect ANYTHING is rude on your part. On that note this thread is only gonna make things worse meaning ya I'm gonna pull it out just to troll people now because once again don't tell me how to play my game.

It DOES affect visuals and it has been explained several times all over this thread.
Why is it so hard for some people to understand ???

Besides, I fail to understand your logic. Because one person says something in a forum that you disagree with, now you're going to do the arguably annoying thing all the time, just in case you might annoy more people and enjoy it ... ???

Actually, on last boss, Tempest Island, 'hard' mode, the boss kept acting weird and like always popping to the trader or anyone in los between trader and boss, but really fast! Like pew pew pew, like a pinball...I said finally - de spawn trader please, I am not sure but I think it's causing the boss to act weird...despawns trader and weird behaviour stopped.

I have no real evidence, but I'd never seen the boss pinballing from player to player so fast before or since, other than when that trader was up.

I don't know if it was coincidence, but it stopped as soon as trader was put away.

Trashkan

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Trashkan wrote: »

Trials are one thing but a random pug dungeon raid???? Sounds like we got some control freaks who actually only care about themselves and not others. Now if I put an x.p cake in front of the door to troll group that is kinda rude but for you to even tell me how to play my game when it does not effect ANYTHING is rude on your part. On that note this thread is only gonna make things worse meaning ya I'm gonna pull it out just to troll people now because once again don't tell me how to play my game.

It DOES affect visuals and it has been explained several times all over this thread.
Why is it so hard for some people to understand ???

Besides, I fail to understand your logic. Because one person says something in a forum that you disagree with, now you're going to do the arguably annoying thing all the time, just in case you might annoy more people and enjoy it ... ???

Affect visuals??? That is your own personal opinion and is not set in stone. If you attack the merchant then that's your bad but I have never seen a boss forget to show his q for a mechanic because a merchant was out. Where's the video proof we all want to see it?

And yes I am here to annoy control freaks i work with too many of them. Hehehehe

Mureel

Trashkan wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Trashkan wrote: »

Trials are one thing but a random pug dungeon raid???? Sounds like we got some control freaks who actually only care about themselves and not others. Now if I put an x.p cake in front of the door to troll group that is kinda rude but for you to even tell me how to play my game when it does not effect ANYTHING is rude on your part. On that note this thread is only gonna make things worse meaning ya I'm gonna pull it out just to troll people now because once again don't tell me how to play my game.

It DOES affect visuals and it has been explained several times all over this thread.
Why is it so hard for some people to understand ???

Besides, I fail to understand your logic. Because one person says something in a forum that you disagree with, now you're going to do the arguably annoying thing all the time, just in case you might annoy more people and enjoy it ... ???

Affect visuals??? That is your own personal opinion and is not set in stone. If you attack the merchant then that's your bad but I have never seen a boss forget to show his q for a mechanic because a merchant was out. Where's the video proof we all want to see it?

And yes I am here to annoy control freaks i work with too many of them. Hehehehe

Hey Hun, see my post above....I witnessed some shady stuff lately which may or may not be due to merchant up, but that stopped when merchant was despawned.

I'm not a games programmer, so idk if random weirdity or bug, but yeah. It happened.

Hope a conclusion is reached soon.

Edited to add: There was a time when vanity pets got heals, low health shields (Resto bubble) and other weird stuff.
Again, not a games programmer so idk if this is a similar issue under certain circumstances, but the above happened, regardless.

zaria

Reverb wrote: »

I stand by my initial post in this thread. Yes it's annoying when people leave assistants out during group combat, and yes people should put them away. But unless it's a coordinated group doing a trial for a competitive score, it's not something to get worked up about. It's inconsequential, and far better to let it go for the sake of group harmony than to throw a tantrum, quit, and put people on ignore over.

And as this thread has developed, I've come to really hope I'm on OPs ignore list. I may start leaving my banker out in dungeon pugs just to assure my spot there.

Use the Khajiit from the TG instead she is downright spooky.
And its an prefect response from an healer as the Khajiit will draw DD attention,

Lusty

You guys complain about the tiniest things...

Mureel

Lusty wrote: »

You guys complain about the tiniest things...

No one was talking about your staff, so where's this coming from?

Trashkan

Mureel wrote: »

Trashkan wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Trashkan wrote: »

Trials are one thing but a random pug dungeon raid???? Sounds like we got some control freaks who actually only care about themselves and not others. Now if I put an x.p cake in front of the door to troll group that is kinda rude but for you to even tell me how to play my game when it does not effect ANYTHING is rude on your part. On that note this thread is only gonna make things worse meaning ya I'm gonna pull it out just to troll people now because once again don't tell me how to play my game.

It DOES affect visuals and it has been explained several times all over this thread.
Why is it so hard for some people to understand ???

Besides, I fail to understand your logic. Because one person says something in a forum that you disagree with, now you're going to do the arguably annoying thing all the time, just in case you might annoy more people and enjoy it ... ???

Affect visuals??? That is your own personal opinion and is not set in stone. If you attack the merchant then that's your bad but I have never seen a boss forget to show his q for a mechanic because a merchant was out. Where's the video proof we all want to see it?

And yes I am here to annoy control freaks i work with too many of them. Hehehehe

Hey Hun, see my post above....I witnessed some shady stuff lately which may or may not be due to merchant up, but that stopped when merchant was despawned.

I'm not a games programmer, so idk if random weirdity or bug, but yeah. It happened.

Hope a conclusion is reached soon.

Edited to add: There was a time when vanity pets got heals, low health shields (Resto bubble) and other weird stuff.
Again, not a games programmer so idk if this is a similar issue under certain circumstances, but the above happened, regardless.

That's nice you called me hun:-)

Cadbury

Trashkan wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

Trashkan wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Trashkan wrote: »

Trials are one thing but a random pug dungeon raid???? Sounds like we got some control freaks who actually only care about themselves and not others. Now if I put an x.p cake in front of the door to troll group that is kinda rude but for you to even tell me how to play my game when it does not effect ANYTHING is rude on your part. On that note this thread is only gonna make things worse meaning ya I'm gonna pull it out just to troll people now because once again don't tell me how to play my game.

It DOES affect visuals and it has been explained several times all over this thread.
Why is it so hard for some people to understand ???

Besides, I fail to understand your logic. Because one person says something in a forum that you disagree with, now you're going to do the arguably annoying thing all the time, just in case you might annoy more people and enjoy it ... ???

Affect visuals??? That is your own personal opinion and is not set in stone. If you attack the merchant then that's your bad but I have never seen a boss forget to show his q for a mechanic because a merchant was out. Where's the video proof we all want to see it?

And yes I am here to annoy control freaks i work with too many of them. Hehehehe

Hey Hun, see my post above....I witnessed some shady stuff lately which may or may not be due to merchant up, but that stopped when merchant was despawned.

I'm not a games programmer, so idk if random weirdity or bug, but yeah. It happened.

Hope a conclusion is reached soon.

Edited to add: There was a time when vanity pets got heals, low health shields (Resto bubble) and other weird stuff.
Again, not a games programmer so idk if this is a similar issue under certain circumstances, but the above happened, regardless.

That's nice you called me hun:-)

I posted in this topic and I wasn't called hun

Blacksmoke

I agree its annoying especially during dolmen grind when you have like 4 or 5 running around and blocking every interaction.. in dungeons its less annoying but still just put them off it also looks stupid. I always play the "You want to find a new healer mid way through the dungeon?" Card. They tend to put it away then and if not they get a vote kick and unless they kick him I will emote in some corner with my friend
Having power is fun

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Stinkyremy wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Yeah well try be a tank while there are pet sorc builds, then you see the meaning of annoying.
Those builds can kill a dungeon strat for a tank.

May i ask for why? Just curious.

Because the pets pull agro on their own and can completely mess up controlling the battlefield and resource management for tanks.
it's annoying when for example, I am tanking a boss, keeping the agro away from my team faced towards me, a pet comes and the boss does a 180 and heads towards the pet/team

More than that, the Clanfear actually has a taunt. I'm not sure what the parameters are where it can fire, until Morrowind it could taunt Trial bosses. It might not be able to taunt dungeon bosses, I'm honestly not sure.

yeah it taunts bosses, I've had it taunt a few bosses in base dungeons before.
It really messes the flow of the battle up.

@Stinkyremy
Please stop spreading misinformation. Pets will NEVER take aggro from a taunted enemy. They will hold aggro on an untaunted enemy, certainly, but they can't take it from you. If you have pets pulling bosses away from you when tanking, you let your taunt drop. 100% a L2P issue.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Trashkan wrote: »

Affect visuals??? That is your own personal opinion and is not set in stone. If you attack the merchant then that's your bad but I have never seen a boss forget to show his q for a mechanic because a merchant was out. Where's the video proof we all want to see it?

Well, I'm sorry but they do affect visuals because they're visually present. It's pretty much a fact, not a personal opinion.
Can't you see them ?
Aren't they running in the middle of the group of players ?

Do you really need a VIDEO ???

There's no point explaining H2O to a donkey if it's already decided that water ain't water.

On the other hand, people who argue that they want to have their assistants out during combat never explain WHY. I would like to hear at least ONE valid argument for it (besides the laziness to keybind them to have them at hand easily between fights).

SirDopey

Stinkyremy wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Yeah well try be a tank while there are pet sorc builds, then you see the meaning of annoying.
Those builds can kill a dungeon strat for a tank.

May i ask for why? Just curious.

Because the pets pull agro on their own and can completely mess up controlling the battlefield and resource management for tanks.
it's annoying when for example, I am tanking a boss, keeping the agro away from my team faced towards me, a pet comes and the boss does a 180 and heads towards the pet/team

More than that, the Clanfear actually has a taunt. I'm not sure what the parameters are where it can fire, until Morrowind it could taunt Trial bosses. It might not be able to taunt dungeon bosses, I'm honestly not sure.

yeah it taunts bosses, I've had it taunt a few bosses in base dungeons before.
It really messes the flow of the battle up.

The Clanfear does not have a taunt and no pets pull aggro, not since Homestead anyway which was 3 full cycles ago so come on guys, get with the times. As a sorc tank I would love it if they still did but if you're losing aggro to pets it's only because you're not reapplying taunt.

SirDopey

Mureel wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Trashkan wrote: »

Trials are one thing but a random pug dungeon raid???? Sounds like we got some control freaks who actually only care about themselves and not others. Now if I put an x.p cake in front of the door to troll group that is kinda rude but for you to even tell me how to play my game when it does not effect ANYTHING is rude on your part. On that note this thread is only gonna make things worse meaning ya I'm gonna pull it out just to troll people now because once again don't tell me how to play my game.

It DOES affect visuals and it has been explained several times all over this thread.
Why is it so hard for some people to understand ???

Besides, I fail to understand your logic. Because one person says something in a forum that you disagree with, now you're going to do the arguably annoying thing all the time, just in case you might annoy more people and enjoy it ... ???

Actually, on last boss, Tempest Island, 'hard' mode, the boss kept acting weird and like always popping to the trader or anyone in los between trader and boss, but really fast! Like pew pew pew, like a pinball...I said finally - de spawn trader please, I am not sure but I think it's causing the boss to act weird...despawns trader and weird behaviour stopped.

I have no real evidence, but I'd never seen the boss pinballing from player to player so fast before or since, other than when that trader was up.

I don't know if it was coincidence, but it stopped as soon as trader was put away.

Lol that's mechanic of the Boss, if anyone is standing a certain distance from her she'll swing to them with a massive hit. The one person thats too far away usually pulls her far enough away to make the rest of the group far enough away to receive the same punishment leading to the whole group getting nearly wiped in 3 seconds. To avoid it, you don't need to put your assistants away you just need to all stay nice and close.

vamp_emily

I just did a trial and never paid attention before this thread but we had 5 pets and 1 merchant running in the trial. It gave me a an ideal of hosting a "pet night trial'

Lusty

Mureel wrote: »

Lusty wrote: »

You guys complain about the tiniest things...

No one was talking about your staff, so where's this coming from?

....what?

Trashkan

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Trashkan wrote: »

Affect visuals??? That is your own personal opinion and is not set in stone. If you attack the merchant then that's your bad but I have never seen a boss forget to show his q for a mechanic because a merchant was out. Where's the video proof we all want to see it?

Well, I'm sorry but they do affect visuals because they're visually present. It's pretty much a fact, not a personal opinion.
Can't you see them ?
Aren't they running in the middle of the group of players ?

Do you really need a VIDEO ???

There's no point explaining H2O to a donkey if it's already decided that water ain't water.

On the other hand, people who argue that they want to have their assistants out during combat never explain WHY. I would like to hear at least ONE valid argument for it (besides the laziness to keybind them to have them at hand easily between fights).

Yes please provide video.

wenchmore420b14_ESO

Trashkan wrote: »

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

@Pele hit it right on the nose.
Common Courtesy!
Anyone know or remember this? This is the main point.
When any of my guilds run dungeons/trials/etc., it is a given at the start that we put away vanity pets, check food, check weapons,etc.
At points during run, we stop. "Who needs a banker?" "Who needs a merchant?". We empty our bags... "Everyone done?" Ok, assistants get put up...We continue on...Simple really...

Being in a group means just that, you are working together towards a goal. To refuse a simple request from your group just to be a A**H***, well, I guess that shows your true personality. In game and out.

No, assistants and vanity pets don't affect mobs and bosses, but there is a reason you can't use them in Cyrodiil. They DO cause FPS drain, even if a little, so why not put them away except to be annoying?
Sometimes I think "Being Nice" and "Common Courtesy" are becoming as rare as Aetheric Ciphers!
My 2 Drakes...
Huzzah!

Trials are one thing but a random pug dungeon raid???? Sounds like we got some control freaks who actually only care about themselves and not others. Now if I put an x.p cake in front of the door to troll group that is kinda rude but for you to even tell me how to play my game when it does not effect ANYTHING is rude on your part. On that note this thread is only gonna make things worse meaning ya I'm gonna pull it out just to troll people now because once again don't tell me how to play my game.

Wow.....I am trying to see where 3 group members requests a member to put away banker, or change a skill or eat food is being a control freak. The "only one who cares about themselves" is the one who refuses just to be annoying, as you have stated you will be more of now. I don't believe you understand what being "rude" really is. Doing something just to "annoy and troll" others IS being rude.
I was trying to advocate "Common Courtesy and Being Nice" to other guildies and group members. 3 ppl asking a simple request of 1 person is NOT being a control freak.

Mureel

SirDopey wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Trashkan wrote: »

Trials are one thing but a random pug dungeon raid???? Sounds like we got some control freaks who actually only care about themselves and not others. Now if I put an x.p cake in front of the door to troll group that is kinda rude but for you to even tell me how to play my game when it does not effect ANYTHING is rude on your part. On that note this thread is only gonna make things worse meaning ya I'm gonna pull it out just to troll people now because once again don't tell me how to play my game.

It DOES affect visuals and it has been explained several times all over this thread.
Why is it so hard for some people to understand ???

Besides, I fail to understand your logic. Because one person says something in a forum that you disagree with, now you're going to do the arguably annoying thing all the time, just in case you might annoy more people and enjoy it ... ???

Actually, on last boss, Tempest Island, 'hard' mode, the boss kept acting weird and like always popping to the trader or anyone in los between trader and boss, but really fast! Like pew pew pew, like a pinball...I said finally - de spawn trader please, I am not sure but I think it's causing the boss to act weird...despawns trader and weird behaviour stopped.

I have no real evidence, but I'd never seen the boss pinballing from player to player so fast before or since, other than when that trader was up.

I don't know if it was coincidence, but it stopped as soon as trader was put away.

Lol that's mechanic of the Boss, if anyone is standing a certain distance from her she'll swing to them with a massive hit. The one person thats too far away usually pulls her far enough away to make the rest of the group far enough away to receive the same punishment leading to the whole group getting nearly wiped in 3 seconds. To avoid it, you don't need to put your assistants away you just need to all stay nice and close.

@SirDopey
Tsk I know that, lol! This was INSANE you would have LOL'd if you'd seen a video, but my OBS wasn't set up, It was like a 3 Stooges Routine. Done this boss IDK how many times. Neverrrrr seen anything, like that.

but really fast! Like pew pew pew, like a pinball...I said finally - de spawn trader please, I am not sure but I think it's causing the boss to act weird...despawns trader and weird behaviour stopped

Why do people in forums so often read half of what someone says and just hurr durr the rest? It's as common as usually super easy bosses in ESO

FloppyTouch

no

Trashkan

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

Trashkan wrote: »

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

@Pele hit it right on the nose.
Common Courtesy!
Anyone know or remember this? This is the main point.
When any of my guilds run dungeons/trials/etc., it is a given at the start that we put away vanity pets, check food, check weapons,etc.
At points during run, we stop. "Who needs a banker?" "Who needs a merchant?". We empty our bags... "Everyone done?" Ok, assistants get put up...We continue on...Simple really...

Being in a group means just that, you are working together towards a goal. To refuse a simple request from your group just to be a A**H***, well, I guess that shows your true personality. In game and out.

No, assistants and vanity pets don't affect mobs and bosses, but there is a reason you can't use them in Cyrodiil. They DO cause FPS drain, even if a little, so why not put them away except to be annoying?
Sometimes I think "Being Nice" and "Common Courtesy" are becoming as rare as Aetheric Ciphers!
My 2 Drakes...
Huzzah!

Trials are one thing but a random pug dungeon raid???? Sounds like we got some control freaks who actually only care about themselves and not others. Now if I put an x.p cake in front of the door to troll group that is kinda rude but for you to even tell me how to play my game when it does not effect ANYTHING is rude on your part. On that note this thread is only gonna make things worse meaning ya I'm gonna pull it out just to troll people now because once again don't tell me how to play my game.

Wow.....I am trying to see where 3 group members requests a member to put away banker, or change a skill or eat food is being a control freak. The "only one who cares about themselves" is the one who refuses just to be annoying, as you have stated you will be more of now. I don't believe you understand what being "rude" really is. Doing something just to "annoy and troll" others IS being rude.
I was trying to advocate "Common Courtesy and Being Nice" to other guildies and group members. 3 ppl asking a simple request of 1 person is NOT being a control freak.

Who said anything about 3 members asking to put a merchant away????? Not the o.p. See there you go again being rude generalizing your opinion with everyone else's. So ya the world doesn't revolve around you and everyone is entitled to there own opinion.

Khenarthi

In solo overland, I don't care if someone has a tag-along army of sorc/warden pets, non combat pets, banker/merchant/smuggler, and various proc set pets (hunger, daedroth, whatever). I don't like it, but I can always wait 2 minutes for the army to move on, or I can go someplace else.

In group play, in an enclosed space, if someone asks for a non-combat follower to be despawned, I find it common courtesy to acquiesce. Otherwise, like the OP did, I also have the option to go someplace else. In the OP's case, the group loses a healer, in my case they would lose a tank.

My own assistants are only summoned when I need them (or when the group needs them) and then promptly sent back to wherever they came from. Even using the default quickslot wheel thing.

wenchmore420b14_ESO

AlMcFly wrote: »

Three times tonight I had players refuse to put their Bankers or Merchants away through the entire dungeon, even when asked. One of them was during a Vet HM pledge. You refuse to put them away, have fun looking for another Healer. Straight to Ignore List too.

[Edited to remove inappropriate content]

@Trashkan
Here is the OP. I believe it DOES say dungeons, which ARE 4 ppl runs. So i stand by my previous post and thank you for reaffirming that YOU are the one being rude.
Again I say that if a group nicely asks a player to put away their assistant, it is common courtesy to do so.
Yes this thread was about group play, dungeons or trials, so 3 ppl asking one person or 9 ppl asking one person a request, that is not "telling them how to play" or "being control freaks.
Again you should re-evaluate your definition of what rude is.....
Have a nice day...

Trashkan

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

AlMcFly wrote: »

Three times tonight I had players refuse to put their Bankers or Merchants away through the entire dungeon, even when asked. One of them was during a Vet HM pledge. You refuse to put them away, have fun looking for another Healer. Straight to Ignore List too.

[Edited to remove inappropriate content]

@Trashkan
Here is the OP. I believe it DOES say dungeons, which ARE 4 ppl runs. So i stand by my previous post and thank you for reaffirming that YOU are the one being rude.
Again I say that if a group nicely asks a player to put away their assistant, it is common courtesy to do so.
Yes this thread was about group play, dungeons or trials, so 3 ppl asking one person or 9 ppl asking one person a request, that is not "telling them how to play" or "being control freaks.
Again you should re-evaluate your definition of what rude is.....
Have a nice day...

Lol if this was the case you should just vote to remove right???? I Guess not. The o.p stated I asked him to put it away not the group. Then he stated I guess you can find another healer. So keep on making assumptions like narrow minded people do.