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[PvE] Stamina needs to be balanced ASAP
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Twohothardware✭✭✭✭✭
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No kidding, medium armor gets passives like decreased cost of sneak and increased movement speed which do next to nothing in PvE.2 -
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Next patch the gap will get closer, Magicka setups have a way stronger setup available in HotR and Stamina still runs the same old stuff. The only class that is always stronger then anyone else is StamDks. they are about 2-3k ahead of other Stamina setups due to their DoTs and easy sustain compared to other setups.Drakkdjinn wrote: »Stam begins to actually perform comparably alongside magicka in PvE DPS (not even on live no less) and the first thing the magicka-main-only community wants to do is nerf it.
Y'all are sad. Stop whining for changes when something doesn't favor you specifically.
Uh-huh.
10k DPS more is comparable.
All right buddy.
Most magicka setups pull around 27k on last boss in vHoF. Stamina pulls about 30k.LiquidPony wrote: »Update 15 hits mag a lot harder than stam, and because of this, a stamdk's dps can be around 23% higher than a magsorc's dps, but stam sustain is infinite. I know that stam DDs can't really have a 100% uptime on bosses, but still the dps difference is way too high. Also this is for PvE and based on alcast's new builds.
get your facts straight
We have fully optimized stamina setups. NMG, Sunderflame, Morag Tong. OBVIOUSLY we gonna do more damage.
@Alcast I'm guessing you're running Sunderflame on a stamDK (that's what we're doing), but what about Morag Tong? That on a stamDK too? Same one that's running Sunderflame or do you guys have 2 stamDKs right now (e.g., one is Hunding's + Sunderflame and the other is Hunding's + Morag Tong?)
Morag Tong is only worth it if you have 3 StamDKs. Morag Tong adds about 2k extra DPS on each StamDK.
Stam1: 5x Sunder, 5x Hundings
Stam2: 5x NMG, 5x VO
Stam3: 5x Morag, 5x HundingsDrakkdjinn wrote: »Stam begins to actually perform comparably alongside magicka in PvE DPS (not even on live no less) and the first thing the magicka-main-only community wants to do is nerf it.
Y'all are sad. Stop whining for changes when something doesn't favor you specifically.
Uh-huh.
10k DPS more is comparable.
All right buddy.
Most magicka setups pull around 27k on last boss in vHoF. Stamina pulls about 30k, i dont think that 10k gap is realistic.
I don't think the last boss of vHoF is a good place to measure DPS though, but sure.
you can take any boss in vhof and difference is about the same.
What about any of the other trials?
same, at least for MOL, SO. havent been in AA and HRC
If your magicka and stamina are only 3k dps apart in MOL, that means one of two things.
Your magicka DDs are god tier players.
Your stamina DDs are below average players.
Take your pick. Perhaps a bit of both.
I can compare stuff in vhof, because there I got tons of DPS screenshots from my guild. other trials like I said, we went vSO for a few runs and dps difference wasnt that huge. If you can give me some examples for vhof, I can show you some dps charts. If you wanna compare stuff from other trials, you need to find someone else.
I wouldn't mind seeing some vHoF comparison screenshots honestly. Would be interesting.
My main point of all my posts in this thread is just magicka and stamina aren't really comparable in DPS.
Personally one of the joys of raiding for me and others is being able to compare DPS amongst eachother and have it be like a mini-competition to see who did the best on a certain boss. All magicka classes fall within reasonable range within eachother, but stamina simply steps over it. A stam posts his parse and there's no point even feeling anything about it because it just outclasses magicka by default.
Everyone goes around saying magicka is the best for AOE and cleave damage, and stamina is the best single target. I'd be fine with that. But it isn't like that really.
Take boss fights where there is a HUGE amount of cleave on adds (like last boss vHoF), and even then stamina still pulls ahead in total DPS. Doesn't that strike you as odd?
Even the cleave doesn't make up to reach the total DPS that stamina can get because of their single target.
Thanks for the parses.
I guess we'll see how it pans out with the new magicka setups. I am kinda excited about running new stuff again though.
Yap, I am already waiting for patch notes >.> Also, tbh the only reason magicka has slightly weaker dps is because the time it takes to charge heavy attacks.
Dualwield has like twice as fast heavy attacks as any other weapon type. And nobody really knows WHY they are shorter lmao.Edited by Alcast on August 14, 2017 9:14AMhttps://alcasthq.com - Alcasthq.com Builds & Guides
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Patouf✭✭✭Do not nerf stam boyz (I Play all my char magicka for hard trials).
The difference is so small ! Magicka players have AoE and survivavility with magicka shield ! Stam Boyz have only good DPS on ST and on skeleton ! lul </3
Magicka are more and more useful than stamboy, but stam spec's are so fun because good sustain and no frustration !
Buff warden class abilities would be great !
You can also play a heavy attack build pet with mSorc and heavy attack with mDK, it works well 28k to 35k dps on skeleton !Edited by Patouf on August 14, 2017 9:27AMRuined Laggy Broken GameSithis & Psijic OrderSithis and spacetime. From nothing to everything.Dark, Aurbis, Aetherius-Oblivion, Mundus, Nirn, Tamriel. Dark again, something else.Dark is categorical, the absolute zero.VØID0 -
What a joke when I see magicka players outnumbered stam build players. Pew pew from far and spamming shields, dont u know if it affects PVE it will do the same to PVP too.
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✭Twohothardware wrote: »
No kidding, medium armor gets passives like decreased cost of sneak and increased movement speed which do next to nothing in PvE.
Every armor has a passive to increase damage so please stop with that nonsense QQ.
Those passives are just bonus passives. Compare it to light armor and you will see medium armor has more passives but the same cost reduction, reg and one passive that increases damage (12% more weapon damage or penetration). Also medium armor gets more crit the more medium armor pieces they use and light armor crit is capped at 5 pieces.
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Pr0Skygon✭✭✭✭✭As someone who who play both stamDK and magSorc, I've got say that you're just wrong.
My magSorc can easily get to 40K, with very low risk since Hardened Ward is 100% available, and it's a 18K health shield. With the base health of another 18K health, I can easily survive any dungeons (this is not even the pet Sorc setup, which make dps 100% more easy, since the rotation is so simple). Also, with elemental drain, sustain is no longer a problem for me. Another thing is that: magSorc actually has a execution skill! StamDPS in general doesn't have any execution skill!
On the other end, my stamDK only defensive force is Blade Cloak, which gives me 25% less damage from AOE damage. That's quite good, since any attack that would take away my 18K health will now only deal 13K damage, meaning I can barely survive. But what about single target and DOT? Well, RIP my stamDK.
Also, farming for VO + twice fang serpent for stamDK is such a pain, while you can easily farm Netch Touch + mother sorrow for magSorc (it got me to the point, I'm not even bothering with twice fang serpent, and be happy with spriggan instead).
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✭✭As someone who who play both stamDK and magSorc, I've got say that you're just wrong.
My magSorc can easily get to 40K, with very low risk since Hardened Ward is 100% available, and it's a 18K health shield. With the base health of another 18K health, I can easily survive any dungeons (this is not even the pet Sorc setup, which make dps 100% more easy, since the rotation is so simple). Also, with elemental drain, sustain is no longer a problem for me. Another thing is that: magSorc actually has a execution skill! StamDPS in general doesn't have any execution skill!
On the other end, my stamDK only defensive force is Blade Cloak, which gives me 25% less damage from AOE damage. That's quite good, since any attack that would take away my 18K health will now only deal 13K damage, meaning I can barely survive. But what about single target and DOT? Well, RIP my stamDK.
Also, farming for VO + twice fang serpent for stamDK is such a pain, while you can easily farm Netch Touch + mother sorrow for magSorc (it got me to the point, I'm not even bothering with twice fang serpent, and be happy with spriggan instead).
Stamina in general has access to execute mechanics via Poison Injection as well as the Slaughter passive which increases all Dual Wield based damage abilities.
StamDK has a very easy rotation with just enough Dots to make the whole rota work and has the best Single Target DPS potential. Dont know why you think your StamDK is bad in these categories.
Farming VO is not nessessary in raids and getting TFS in nSO runs is pretty easy as you dont need weapons of this set. Also as you mentioned, Spriggans is a pretty good replacement until you can get TFS. I think a very low percentage of players will feel the difference in those 2 sets even after Spriggan was nerfed.
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Bosov✭✭✭✭✭Well done guys... Twice fang got a nerf. It is a first step in making stamina *** again! I mean magic got to have it all right.. big shields, range, best single target and aoe damage.
I know it isnt a huge nerf and with the extra cp you can make up for it but it is still annoying for the people who farmed it.. Can the medium armor reduce sneak cost instead give some penetration please?Xbox One - EU - GT : Bosov
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Next patch the gap will get closer, Magicka setups have a way stronger setup available in HotR and Stamina still runs the same old stuff. The only class that is always stronger then anyone else is StamDks. they are about 2-3k ahead of other Stamina setups due to their DoTs and easy sustain compared to other setups.Drakkdjinn wrote: »Stam begins to actually perform comparably alongside magicka in PvE DPS (not even on live no less) and the first thing the magicka-main-only community wants to do is nerf it.
Y'all are sad. Stop whining for changes when something doesn't favor you specifically.
Uh-huh.
10k DPS more is comparable.
All right buddy.
Most magicka setups pull around 27k on last boss in vHoF. Stamina pulls about 30k.LiquidPony wrote: »Update 15 hits mag a lot harder than stam, and because of this, a stamdk's dps can be around 23% higher than a magsorc's dps, but stam sustain is infinite. I know that stam DDs can't really have a 100% uptime on bosses, but still the dps difference is way too high. Also this is for PvE and based on alcast's new builds.
get your facts straight
We have fully optimized stamina setups. NMG, Sunderflame, Morag Tong. OBVIOUSLY we gonna do more damage.
@Alcast I'm guessing you're running Sunderflame on a stamDK (that's what we're doing), but what about Morag Tong? That on a stamDK too? Same one that's running Sunderflame or do you guys have 2 stamDKs right now (e.g., one is Hunding's + Sunderflame and the other is Hunding's + Morag Tong?)
Morag Tong is only worth it if you have 3 StamDKs. Morag Tong adds about 2k extra DPS on each StamDK.
Stam1: 5x Sunder, 5x Hundings
Stam2: 5x NMG, 5x VO
Stam3: 5x Morag, 5x HundingsDrakkdjinn wrote: »Stam begins to actually perform comparably alongside magicka in PvE DPS (not even on live no less) and the first thing the magicka-main-only community wants to do is nerf it.
Y'all are sad. Stop whining for changes when something doesn't favor you specifically.
Uh-huh.
10k DPS more is comparable.
All right buddy.
Most magicka setups pull around 27k on last boss in vHoF. Stamina pulls about 30k, i dont think that 10k gap is realistic.
I don't think the last boss of vHoF is a good place to measure DPS though, but sure.
you can take any boss in vhof and difference is about the same.
What about any of the other trials?
same, at least for MOL, SO. havent been in AA and HRC
If your magicka and stamina are only 3k dps apart in MOL, that means one of two things.
Your magicka DDs are god tier players.
Your stamina DDs are below average players.
Take your pick. Perhaps a bit of both.
I can compare stuff in vhof, because there I got tons of DPS screenshots from my guild. other trials like I said, we went vSO for a few runs and dps difference wasnt that huge. If you can give me some examples for vhof, I can show you some dps charts. If you wanna compare stuff from other trials, you need to find someone else.
I wouldn't mind seeing some vHoF comparison screenshots honestly. Would be interesting.
My main point of all my posts in this thread is just magicka and stamina aren't really comparable in DPS.
Personally one of the joys of raiding for me and others is being able to compare DPS amongst eachother and have it be like a mini-competition to see who did the best on a certain boss. All magicka classes fall within reasonable range within eachother, but stamina simply steps over it. A stam posts his parse and there's no point even feeling anything about it because it just outclasses magicka by default.
Everyone goes around saying magicka is the best for AOE and cleave damage, and stamina is the best single target. I'd be fine with that. But it isn't like that really.
Take boss fights where there is a HUGE amount of cleave on adds (like last boss vHoF), and even then stamina still pulls ahead in total DPS. Doesn't that strike you as odd?
Even the cleave doesn't make up to reach the total DPS that stamina can get because of their single target.
Thanks for the parses.
I guess we'll see how it pans out with the new magicka setups. I am kinda excited about running new stuff again though.
Yap, I am already waiting for patch notes >.> Also, tbh the only reason magicka has slightly weaker dps is because the time it takes to charge heavy attacks.
Dualwield has like twice as fast heavy attacks as any other weapon type. And nobody really knows WHY they are shorter lmao.
Well rip this patch I guess.0 -
aToken✭✭✭Update 15 hits mag a lot harder than stam, and because of this, a stamdk's dps can be around 23% higher than a magsorc's dps, but stam sustain is infinite. I know that stam DDs can't really have a 100% uptime on bosses, but still the dps difference is way too high. Also this is for PvE and based on alcast's new builds.
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A ranged dps dps should shouldn't have the same dps output as a melee. Ever. On top of that magsorcs have shields to absorb damage along with crit surge. Stamina dps is squishy. If u want more dps output, may be don't play the easiest class in the game. Aka l2p4 -
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✭Update 15 hits mag a lot harder than stam, and because of this, a stamdk's dps can be around 23% higher than a magsorc's dps, but stam sustain is infinite. I know that stam DDs can't really have a 100% uptime on bosses, but still the dps difference is way too high. Also this is for PvE and based on alcast's new builds.
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Alcast? His builds usually suck. Also you're asking for stam nerfs because mag got a nerf? Wtf went wrong in your head to bring you to this reduced state of reason.
Stamina SHOULD have better st dps, not having shields and being in mele distance is enough justification alone. Magdps has awesome aoe potential and fantastic group management. You're crying about actual stam/mag balance??1 -
Twohothardware✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Update 15 hits mag a lot harder than stam, and because of this, a stamdk's dps can be around 23% higher than a magsorc's dps, but stam sustain is infinite. I know that stam DDs can't really have a 100% uptime on bosses, but still the dps difference is way too high. Also this is for PvE and based on alcast's new builds.
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Stam classes should always have higher single target DPS than Mag. Mag has much higher AoE DPS for large mobs and has much better healing and survivability. The way it was before there was no reason to have a single Stamina character outside of a Tank.2 -
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✭Update 15 hits mag a lot harder than stam, and because of this, a stamdk's dps can be around 23% higher than a magsorc's dps, but stam sustain is infinite. I know that stam DDs can't really have a 100% uptime on bosses, but still the dps difference is way too high. Also this is for PvE and based on alcast's new builds.
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In pvp its the opposite,
most stam players got hit cuz this update,
balance would never happen.Edited by amir412 on August 19, 2017 10:10PM0 -
spiiros✭✭✭Drakkdjinn wrote: »Stam begins to actually perform comparably alongside magicka in PvE DPS (not even on live no less) and the first thing the magicka-main-only community wants to do is nerf it.
Y'all are sad. Stop whining for changes when something doesn't favor you specifically.
Uh-huh.
10k DPS more is comparable.
All right buddy.
Back when Sorcs were dominating with 45K+ parses on an average player... please.
Stam is in a great place now and I'm glad, I love playing either, but a lot of people are mad, it's the same cylce we get everytime.2
