Best in slot gear is craftable and farmable?

sudaki_eso · August 2017

method__01 wrote: »

ehm,still researching my last 2 heavy nirnroot trait- weapons for my master crafter
and i can assure its wayyyy more than 2 months

wayyyy more

It takes around 6 month with eso plus and passives maxed out.

Drazkyth · August 2017

gameshark79 wrote: »

In all the big MMO games I've played such as WoW, crafted gear has never been best. Warcraft you grind the hardest content to prepare for the next one. It's been working for them for like 20 years now. I only play this game cause it's probably the best MMO on console atm unfortunately, and I have a lot time and friends invested.

Go play WoW then, bye.

Derra · August 2017

Turelus wrote: »

If you're looking for gear progression systems then WoW & SWTOR are that way. --->

ESO is not about gear progression and it never has been, the trials and dungeon gears have not always been best in slot.

If you fun comes from gearing up and the grind for that then sadly ESO isn't the right game for you, as ESO tends to be more about scores and ranks at end game rather than just grinding for the gear to clear the next things.

I wish eso would embrace this more.

The geargrind is actually really tedious if you´re looking for specific traits on weapons of trial or dungeon sets.

method__01 · August 2017

sudaki_eso wrote: »

method__01 wrote: »

ehm,still researching my last 2 heavy nirnroot trait- weapons for my master crafter
and i can assure its wayyyy more than 2 months

wayyyy more It takes around 6 month with eso plus and passives maxed out.

more, got eso+ and i think 9 months is the lowest someone can achieve -all 3 research slots working non stop

Glamdring · August 2017

Took me 14 months to get 9 traits in all crafts

Merlin13KAGL · August 2017

gameshark79 wrote: »

So you'd rather your time invested in the game mean nothing? I mean you might as well make the game pay to win. Just allow me to buy want I want to become the best. That's not why I play MMO's and do raids. I want to collect gear from the hardest trial to prepare me for the next one, not just be given it.

I think having options allows for quite the opposite. I hardly call spending 100's or 1000's of hours repeating content for a chance at RNG, simply to have that gear change in some fashion a few patches later, meaningful use of one's time.

gameshark79 wrote: »

I understand that. There are the players that want it easy and there are the ones that love the grind. Thanks Tales.

Really? Aside from yourself, name one.

Trashkan · August 2017

Lol these b.i.s threads are funny. So your saying you tested every set on every class of every race golded out glyphed out? Or you just watched some video or read a forum post?

MLGProPlayer · August 2017

Sru wrote: »

gameshark79 wrote: »

Julianos and mother's sorrow is going to be best in slot for magicka? So all I have to do to become a great player is make some gear and farm for a day? Where's the incentive to do trials or dungeons? Is this how you want your game to be?

I can understand this from a min/max'er point of view but perhaps you can also understand the hours and work that goes into master crafting. I bet I have spend longer getting all 9 traits than you have ever spend in trials or any dungeon.

Maybe the balance needs to be towards the top tier crafted being equivalent to the trail gear - Julianos is quite a low tier crafted set in the scheme of things.

Don't disparage crafters - it is a large part of the game to many. I'd bet more craft than ever run the very top tier content. There is absolutely no reason why we should not be able to make some of the very best gear in the game - period.

And it's not like dungeon/trial gear is difficult to farm. You can literally solo a normal dungeon with no gear on. Normal trials can't be soloed but literally any group of 12 players can complete them.

OP is acting like grinding dungeon/trial gear requires some 1337 skill.

Both becoming a master crafter and farming dungeon/trial gear is a mindless grind requiring no skill. There is literally no difference between the two.

code65536 · August 2017

LZH wrote: »

ESO end-game PvE is less about progressing to completion and more about progressing to mastery. Most people don't care what gear or class is BiS.

That's exactly it, and eloquently put...

Sru wrote: »

I bet I have spend longer getting all 9 traits than you have ever spend in trials or any dungeon.

I have all 9 traits too, but 99.99% of the time that it took was spent doing something else while waiting.

MehrunesFlagon · August 2017

Sru wrote: »

gameshark79 wrote: »

Julianos and mother's sorrow is going to be best in slot for magicka? So all I have to do to become a great player is make some gear and farm for a day? Where's the incentive to do trials or dungeons? Is this how you want your game to be?

I can understand this from a min/max'er point of view but perhaps you can also understand the hours and work that goes into master crafting. I bet I have spend longer getting all 9 traits than you have ever spend in trials or any dungeon.

Maybe the balance needs to be towards the top tier crafted being equivalent to the trail gear - Julianos is quite a low tier crafted set in the scheme of things.

Don't disparage crafters - it is a large part of the game to many. I'd bet more craft than ever run the very top tier content. There is absolutely no reason why we should not be able to make some of the very best gear in the game - period.

Here is the biggest difference between obtaining crafted vs. drop gear. Eve with nirn you can farm for about 30 minutes and basically guarantee a drop. Once that is done you can basically be absent from the game once you set your research,while those that farm for drop gear continue to farm. Which sounds likemore work?

MLGProPlayer · August 2017

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

Sru wrote: »

gameshark79 wrote: »

Julianos and mother's sorrow is going to be best in slot for magicka? So all I have to do to become a great player is make some gear and farm for a day? Where's the incentive to do trials or dungeons? Is this how you want your game to be?

I can understand this from a min/max'er point of view but perhaps you can also understand the hours and work that goes into master crafting. I bet I have spend longer getting all 9 traits than you have ever spend in trials or any dungeon.

Maybe the balance needs to be towards the top tier crafted being equivalent to the trail gear - Julianos is quite a low tier crafted set in the scheme of things.

Don't disparage crafters - it is a large part of the game to many. I'd bet more craft than ever run the very top tier content. There is absolutely no reason why we should not be able to make some of the very best gear in the game - period.

Here is the biggest difference between obtaining crafted vs. drop gear. Eve with nirn you can farm for about 30 minutes and basically guarantee a drop. Once that is done you can basically be absent from the game once you set your research,while those that farm for drop gear continue to farm. Which sounds likemore work?

I stopped researching at like 2 traits because it was too much work. I've farmed a number of dungeon and trial sets though.

Researching is the worst grind in the game for me. Having to remember what traits I still need and when they're up for research gives me anxiety.

Xvorg · August 2017

gameshark79 wrote: »

So you'd rather your time invested in the game mean nothing? I mean you might as well make the game pay to win. Just allow me to buy want I want to become the best. That's not why I play MMO's and do raids. I want to collect gear from the hardest trial to prepare me for the next one, not just be given it.

I've invested a lot of my time in the game crafting, why should it be less relevant?

Anyway it is a great way to buff economy

Xvorg · August 2017

gameshark79 wrote: »

In all the big MMO games I've played such as WoW, crafted gear has never been best. Warcraft you grind the hardest content to prepare for the next one. It's been working for them for like 20 years now. I only play this game cause it's probably the best MMO on console atm unfortunately, and I have a lot time and friends invested.

Ok, 2 concepts:

1- Best
2- Relevant.

But as Code said, golden year doesn't make a good player.

QuebraRegra · August 2017

give us jewelry crafting... still missing from the game.

is ZOS asleep?

Xvorg · August 2017

gameshark79 wrote: »

I agree with skill over gear, but skill players don't want to just craft gear to be best, they want to work for it. That's the whole reason. No MMO player that I know of has ever said, let's just make the best gear and go beat the latest raid and be done until the next. It's always do the latest gear to get the latest gear to prepare for the next.

No.

Do you know how much does it take to make a full 5 pieces set starting with 0 Mats? Months.

Xvorg · August 2017

Turelus wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

deadlychaos1991 wrote: »

Okay kiddo

ROTFL

With your juvenile tone, I'm pretty sure I'm the one who should be calling you "kiddo". Esp. if the 1991 in your username is your birth year.

Hate to break it to you but 91 kids are 26 years old now

Unless that's what kiddo age is nowadays

I am so old now...

91... I got my first GF that year... it didn't last long

overclocker303b14_ESO · August 2017

LOL I don't think Mother's Sorrow is going to be BIS.

The 2-4 bonuses are good but the 5 piece is not all that great. If anything a monster set + 5 juli and 4 mothers sorrow might be ok but even then 5 Juli 3 willpower and a vma and dsa staff seems like it would do better.

That said, I agree with the point of the thread.

Right now BIS on stamina is 5 TFS 5 Hundings and Velidreth. Velidreth and TFS I agree with but I feel like war machine (or at least vicious ophidian) should perform better than Hundings. Hell they lowered the drop rate for VO in normal trials even though Hundings is better anyway (LOLOL).

Hundings (and Juli and other crafted gear) should be good enough to get you into dungeons and be good at overland stuff. After that gear quality should be proportional to the difficulty of the content you get it from. Crafted gear should get you into dungeons. Dungeon gear should get you into trials. Tier 1 trial gear should be good enough to enable you to do tier 2 trials, rinse and repeat. You should also get the best pvp gear from ...wait for it...PVP.

I'm glad jewelry isn't craftable. If it was people would have even less of a reason to go do trials. Unfortunately you have a bunch people asking for it because they feel like they deserve / need the best gear in the game even though they don't want to put in the effort for the best gear and don't need the best gear to do the content they want to do anyway.

TLDR you don't need all gold BIS gear to go kill world bosses and do dungeons, and I don't think Mother's Sorrow = BIS.

Mojmir · August 2017

Xvorg wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

deadlychaos1991 wrote: »

Okay kiddo

ROTFL

With your juvenile tone, I'm pretty sure I'm the one who should be calling you "kiddo". Esp. if the 1991 in your username is your birth year.

Hate to break it to you but 91 kids are 26 years old now

Unless that's what kiddo age is nowadays

I am so old now...

91... I got my first GF that year... it didn't last long

I graduated high school in 91,lol

QuebraRegra · August 2017

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

I for one hate the grind for "BiS" weapons and am glad that Julianos is viable.

I want to run the content for fun, not bore myself grinding the same thing over and over for gear.

if they changed it to some kind of token buy, I might disagree... Based on ZOS's pitiful RNG I'm all for crafted being BIS.

*** RNG.. this RNG in particular.

Taleof2Cities · August 2017

Where is the OP?

No posts since page one.

Integral1900 · August 2017

Universal best in slot is dead, welcome to the situational future

MLGProPlayer · August 2017

overclocker303b14_ESO wrote: »

LOL I don't think Mother's Sorrow is going to be BIS.

The 2-4 bonuses are good but the 5 piece is not all that great. If anything a monster set + 5 juli and 4 mothers sorrow might be ok but even then 5 Juli 3 willpower and a vma and dsa staff seems like it would do better.

That said, I agree with the point of the thread.

Right now BIS on stamina is 5 TFS 5 Hundings and Velidreth. Velidreth and TFS I agree with but I feel like war machine (or at least vicious ophidian) should perform better than Hundings. Hell they lowered the drop rate for VO in normal trials even though Hundings is better anyway (LOLOL).

Hundings (and Juli and other crafted gear) should be good enough to get you into dungeons and be good at overland stuff. After that gear quality should be proportional to the difficulty of the content you get it from. Crafted gear should get you into dungeons. Dungeon gear should get you into trials. Tier 1 trial gear should be good enough to enable you to do tier 2 trials, rinse and repeat. You should also get the best pvp gear from ...wait for it...PVP.

I'm glad jewelry isn't craftable. If it was people would have even less of a reason to go do trials. Unfortunately you have a bunch people asking for it because they feel like they deserve / need the best gear in the game even though they don't want to put in the effort for the best gear and don't need the best gear to do the content they want to do anyway.

TLDR you don't need all gold BIS gear to go kill world bosses and do dungeons, and I don't think Mother's Sorrow = BIS.

More people would run vet trials/dungeons if BiS gear was crafted/overland. People spend most of their time running normal trials/dungeons right now, which is barely a step up in difficulty from overland content.

MehrunesFlagon · August 2017

Xvorg wrote: »

gameshark79 wrote: »

So you'd rather your time invested in the game mean nothing? I mean you might as well make the game pay to win. Just allow me to buy want I want to become the best. That's not why I play MMO's and do raids. I want to collect gear from the hardest trial to prepare me for the next one, not just be given it.

I've invested a lot of my time in the game crafting, why should it be less relevant?

Anyway it is a great way to buff economy

The amount of time actually actively spent researching is nothing compared to drop sets. by that notion alone
I think they should perform at least 50% better than crafted sets.

MLGProPlayer · August 2017

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

gameshark79 wrote: »

So you'd rather your time invested in the game mean nothing? I mean you might as well make the game pay to win. Just allow me to buy want I want to become the best. That's not why I play MMO's and do raids. I want to collect gear from the hardest trial to prepare me for the next one, not just be given it.

I've invested a lot of my time in the game crafting, why should it be less relevant?

Anyway it is a great way to buff economy

The amount of time actually actively spent researching is nothing compared to drop sets. by that notion alone
I think they should perform at least 50% better than crafted sets.

It's relative. I find grinding for gear more enjoyable than researching, although they're both awful.

Of course, I prefer above all else being able to just buy what I need for gold. I'd rather get the gear I need and play the content I want to play. Grinding gear is awful because you're forced to play content you don't want to play (normal trials/dungeons), just so you can play what you do want (vet trials/dungeons).

Panomania · August 2017

Look, I dont mean to come off like a jerk.....but you need to get out of the Warcrap mindset. "Best in Slot" is a thing in games like that. Here.....not so much. Even if you DO find a gear set thats the absolute best for all situations and styles of play across the board the difference between it and the next best 5 sets is typically something only min/max addicts worry about.

In the grand scheme of things when you compute in actual real fights the difference between 40K dps and 39K dps may as well be nothing.

Onefrkncrzypope · August 2017

I would like to point out the problem with crafted gear being BiS next update. Say you start this game during next patch. You ask hey what would be a great set for a mag whatever. Julianos. You are dedicated so you vet you character in a month and hit 160. Awesome, now you can get max out armor set. What do you get? Julianos. You are now maxed CP and are preparing for Trial clears and such. Julianos. There isn't any gear progression, no new flavors. Yes grinding sucks but really? There would be no point after 50 other than skins. Trials would be even more harder to join. ZoS killed craglorn vet trials by messing with the weekly rewards and now y'all want to kill normal trials to? Yeah you are farming gear but is everyone in your group? No one will run normal. So how can a player make that transition? It's sad where this game is going

MLGProPlayer · August 2017

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

I would like to point out the problem with crafted gear being BiS next update. Say you start this game during next patch. You ask hey what would be a great set for a mag whatever. Julianos. You are dedicated so you vet you character in a month and hit 160. Awesome, now you can get max out armor set. What do you get? Julianos. You are now maxed CP and are preparing for Trial clears and such. Julianos. There isn't any gear progression, no new flavors. Yes grinding sucks but really? There would be no point after 50 other than skins. Trials would be even more harder to join. ZoS killed craglorn vet trials by messing with the weekly rewards and now y'all want to kill normal trials to? Yeah you are farming gear but is everyone in your group? No one will run normal. So how can a player make that transition? It's sad where this game is going

Sad is running content for gear. People should play what they want, when they want.

Nolic1 · August 2017

See I could see BiS coming from trials and dungeons if and only if this game had a gear progression system like many other mmo's but because it does not have a vertical progression and more horizontal progression system we have BiS being based on the build more then what and were gear comes from which should infact create a more diverse meta play system but we have people such as your self calling for certain sets to be BiS or others whom think those sets are when it fact with some builds BiS is crafted or its dungeon based or overland or trials. Now to some degree some if not all Trials sets do have an advantage over other sets because they offer something not other gears sets do.

Now even if you do not like this type of game system its in the game and if they take that away this game would be like all the other copy and paste mmo's which we have 100's of already. Sometimes it is better to be outside the box then inside where its always the same.

luen79rwb17_ESO · August 2017

Everything is farmable in this game, even trials. Honestly you can't play eso with a wow mindset.

Rungar · August 2017

the problem is that this game should never of had trials but extreme dungeons instead with variable headcounts all 6 and under.

at least they learned from DAOC not to put the best stuff in them. Putting the best gear behind a raid wall is destruction for a game like elder scrolls which has a large pvp/casual component.

most people who play this game are elder scrolls fans who are used to a single player adventure and its a big stretch to get them to raid, which is why , I imagine, few do.