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NightbladeMechanics · July 2017

Derra wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

check my build video if you like Riposte. i use that and amberplasm.

That would rule out 2pc Undaunted, leave me with the 1pc destro bar that I'm trying to eliminate (since I don't have a vMA fire staff), and prevent me from wearing 5-1-1.

I'm leaning toward Bloodthorn + Riposte + Engine/Blood Spawn right now, but I question its sustain when trying to kite enemies. Having to turn around to hit people to get resources back is annoying, but it might just work. I also question its damage.

A higher damage alternative would be Spinner + Lich + Engine/Blood Spawn, but that has much less stam sustain and foregoes Riposte. I could do Spinner + Riposte, but rip my magicka sustain.

My gut tells me Riposte is too op not to use on a shielding build, but I still wonder how best to incorporate it and if it's necessary to begin with. If I have the sustain to spam shields, I should probably just pump damage. Not sure yet. I'm looking forward to the experimentation!

STOP THE TAG!

Riposte + Lich + BS/Inferal/Grothdarr/Engine works fine.
I do think bloodTHORN *edit is seriously overrated in any form or shape (bloodspawn is seriously op and should be nerfed to crap).

Riposte in a one bar setup is always going to cost you around ~10 to 15% tooltip dmg while giving the 15% dmg debuff on enemies.
For my personal taste dmg is too low to actually kill even semi competent players wearing it. But you become immortal aswell so...

Personally i really dislike most tanky approaches to eso gameplay. You won´t kill any competent player with a tanky builds unless you´re looking for 10+ mins of constant buttonmashing to the point where one missed barswap is gonna cost the fight.
On the other hand those tanky builds are insanely potent when outnumbering an opponent.
For me personally it´s just the wrong approach to look at "not dying" before "how do i kill xy" - because the not dying inevitably increase xy you can´t kill withint reasonable timeframe.

Edit2: From my personal experience since the sustain nerf with morrowind alongside the bsw nerf only one setup utilizing 5 front 5 back 2 monster is truely vaible still and that´s 5 necro 2 shadowrend 5 lich.
Everything else i´ve tried gets outperformed by 5 3 2 1 if a player can utilize master or maelstrom weapons - it´s debateable without (from either a dmg or sustain perspective - if you´re looking for utility like spectres eye or riposte it´s vaible). 5 5 1 setups in general seem highly suboptimal with the exception of 5 amber 5 shackle and 5 amber/shackle 5 lich (backbar) + maelstrom/master front. These do come close but still get outperformed by monstersets.

I agree with that build philosophy. I have been favoring Amber + Willpower in all contexts.

Magıc · July 2017

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

check my build video if you like Riposte. i use that and amberplasm.

That would rule out 2pc Undaunted, leave me with the 1pc destro bar that I'm trying to eliminate (since I don't have a vMA fire staff), and prevent me from wearing 5-1-1.

I'm leaning toward Bloodthorn + Riposte + Engine/Blood Spawn right now, but I question its sustain when trying to kite enemies. Having to turn around to hit people to get resources back is annoying, but it might just work. I also question its damage.

A higher damage alternative would be Spinner + Lich + Engine/Blood Spawn, but that has much less stam sustain and foregoes Riposte. I could do Spinner + Riposte, but rip my magicka sustain.

My gut tells me Riposte is too op not to use on a shielding build, but I still wonder how best to incorporate it and if it's necessary to begin with. If I have the sustain to spam shields, I should probably just pump damage. Not sure yet. I'm looking forward to the experimentation!

STOP THE TAG!

Riposte + Lich + BS/Inferal/Grothdarr/Engine works fine.
I do think bloodTHORN *edit is seriously overrated in any form or shape (bloodspawn is seriously op and should be nerfed to crap).

Riposte in a one bar setup is always going to cost you around ~10 to 15% tooltip dmg while giving the 15% dmg debuff on enemies.
For my personal taste dmg is too low to actually kill even semi competent players wearing it. But you become immortal aswell so...

Personally i really dislike most tanky approaches to eso gameplay. You won´t kill any competent player with a tanky builds unless you´re looking for 10+ mins of constant buttonmashing to the point where one missed barswap is gonna cost the fight.
On the other hand those tanky builds are insanely potent when outnumbering an opponent.
For me personally it´s just the wrong approach to look at "not dying" before "how do i kill xy" - because the not dying inevitably increase xy you can´t kill withint reasonable timeframe.

Edit2: From my personal experience since the sustain nerf with morrowind alongside the bsw nerf only one setup utilizing 5 front 5 back 2 monster is truely vaible still and that´s 5 necro 2 shadowrend 5 lich.
Everything else i´ve tried gets outperformed by 5 3 2 1 if a player can utilize master or maelstrom weapons - it´s debateable without (from either a dmg or sustain perspective - if you´re looking for utility like spectres eye or riposte it´s vaible). 5 5 1 setups in general seem highly suboptimal with the exception of 5 amber 5 shackle and 5 amber/shackle 5 lich (backbar) + maelstrom/master front. These do come close but still get outperformed by monstersets.

I agree with that build philosophy. I have been favoring Amber + Willpower in all contexts.

Do u run it with trifood or witchmothers? I assume shadow mundus

NightbladeMechanics · July 2017

Magıc wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

check my build video if you like Riposte. i use that and amberplasm.

That would rule out 2pc Undaunted, leave me with the 1pc destro bar that I'm trying to eliminate (since I don't have a vMA fire staff), and prevent me from wearing 5-1-1.

I'm leaning toward Bloodthorn + Riposte + Engine/Blood Spawn right now, but I question its sustain when trying to kite enemies. Having to turn around to hit people to get resources back is annoying, but it might just work. I also question its damage.

A higher damage alternative would be Spinner + Lich + Engine/Blood Spawn, but that has much less stam sustain and foregoes Riposte. I could do Spinner + Riposte, but rip my magicka sustain.

My gut tells me Riposte is too op not to use on a shielding build, but I still wonder how best to incorporate it and if it's necessary to begin with. If I have the sustain to spam shields, I should probably just pump damage. Not sure yet. I'm looking forward to the experimentation!

STOP THE TAG!

Riposte + Lich + BS/Inferal/Grothdarr/Engine works fine.
I do think bloodTHORN *edit is seriously overrated in any form or shape (bloodspawn is seriously op and should be nerfed to crap).

Riposte in a one bar setup is always going to cost you around ~10 to 15% tooltip dmg while giving the 15% dmg debuff on enemies.
For my personal taste dmg is too low to actually kill even semi competent players wearing it. But you become immortal aswell so...

Personally i really dislike most tanky approaches to eso gameplay. You won´t kill any competent player with a tanky builds unless you´re looking for 10+ mins of constant buttonmashing to the point where one missed barswap is gonna cost the fight.
On the other hand those tanky builds are insanely potent when outnumbering an opponent.
For me personally it´s just the wrong approach to look at "not dying" before "how do i kill xy" - because the not dying inevitably increase xy you can´t kill withint reasonable timeframe.

Edit2: From my personal experience since the sustain nerf with morrowind alongside the bsw nerf only one setup utilizing 5 front 5 back 2 monster is truely vaible still and that´s 5 necro 2 shadowrend 5 lich.
Everything else i´ve tried gets outperformed by 5 3 2 1 if a player can utilize master or maelstrom weapons - it´s debateable without (from either a dmg or sustain perspective - if you´re looking for utility like spectres eye or riposte it´s vaible). 5 5 1 setups in general seem highly suboptimal with the exception of 5 amber 5 shackle and 5 amber/shackle 5 lich (backbar) + maelstrom/master front. These do come close but still get outperformed by monstersets.

I agree with that build philosophy. I have been favoring Amber + Willpower in all contexts.

Do u run it with trifood or witchmothers? I assume shadow mundus

Trifood of course. I've yet to see a sorc build where Witchmother's is ideal outside of large group play. I use Shadow with Inner Light on my front bar, but I use Thief if I am not getting Major Prophecy. I feel like I should be using IL or spell power pots for that buff no matter what, though...

Update: have been messing with some other builds that don't use 2pc Undaunted. Hmmmm I feel like those are least necessary on magicka sorc out of the classes? The damage procs are meh on sorc, and the survivability procs are unnecessary imo. Engine is good but inconsistent. I hate building so that I rely on Engine because when the dwemers die or are interrupted, I just die.

Savos_Saren · July 2017

@DKsUnite

Hey bud- two things:

1.) Does Burning Embers count as "melee damage" since Flame Lash does not?

2.) Have you considered using Take Flight vs Ferocious Leap? I know that the Dunmer passive buffs the flame damage from Ferocious Leap- but I'd imagine that with all that weapon damage... Take Flight would hit hella hard. Plus, Take Flight costs less ultimate (faster resource gain) and is supposed to hit harder. I have a hybrid build as well- but Take Flight is *slightly* better than Ferocious Leap.

The_Duke · July 2017

I love the title change lol

DKsUnite · July 2017

jaburns wrote: »

@DKsUnite

Hey bud- two things:

1.) Does Burning Embers count as "melee damage" since Flame Lash does not?

2.) Have you considered using Take Flight vs Ferocious Leap? I know that the Dunmer passive buffs the flame damage from Ferocious Leap- but I'd imagine that with all that weapon damage... Take Flight would hit hella hard. Plus, Take Flight costs less ultimate (faster resource gain) and is supposed to hit harder. I have a hybrid build as well- but Take Flight is *slightly* better than Ferocious Leap.

@jaburns
1) No (not from my experience playing pvp)

2) I like the damage shield to be honest. The damage difference isn't really big enough imo. 7% from dunmer makes up alot of the damage gap between the two morphs. I just checked and its about 600 damage difference.