ESO or FFXIV

MLGProPlayer · July 2017

ESO

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

If SqEnix would ever release FFXIV on the Xbox, I'd move myself and my wife to FF in a heartbeat...

But, since they're obviously not swayed by the additional revenue they'd rake in with an Xbox release... ESO it is...

FFXIV is a point-and-click MMO. It wouldn't work on console. It also uses too many abilities to map on a controller.

MLGProPlayer · July 2017

ESO

SydneyGrey wrote: »

ral wrote: »

been playing eso for 2 years almost 3 now. Master crafter, have the skin, farmed maelstrom. Nothing much to do anymore but doing daily writs and pvp. Dungeons is just useless now since I already have all the monster sets in the right trait with left over keys. Now logging in feels like a chore. And when I pvp I'm always saying to myself what's the point? I'm not having fun like I used to when I was a scrub. Giving ff 14 in some random day was the best decision ever. The game have so much to offer than what eso can do. So many more classes. So much more to do in the game. Very good dungeon finder system. While you que for a dungeon you can go do other things while waiting cause they actually tell you what number you are in the waiting list. So much more to explain but that's not the topic here. I'm still a sub for eso cause I love to support eso hoping for better future content. But for now, I'm enjoying ff 14 a lot more.

There are people here (not many, I imagine) who don't want ESO to introduce any more classes. LOL. I just don't get it. They want to limit the game on purpose just because they hate change, I guess.

People don't want more classes because the game becomes harder to balance.

Jeremy · July 2017

ESO

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

If SqEnix would ever release FFXIV on the Xbox, I'd move myself and my wife to FF in a heartbeat...

But, since they're obviously not swayed by the additional revenue they'd rake in with an Xbox release... ESO it is...

FFXIV is a point-and-click MMO. It wouldn't work on console. It also uses too many abilities to map on a controller.

I can't tell if this is sarcastic or not.

FFXIV is already on console and functions with a controller (in case you wasn't being sarcastic).

Minyassa · July 2017

Wrekkedd wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Isnt final fantasy a just a rpg without pvp? Lol im sure game mechanics and graphics in FF are better but no pvp = a time waster for me.

I dont level up because i wanna destroy NPC

I level up because i want to destroy PEOPLE

It does have pvp.

I got all excited and now my hopes are dashed.

zaria · July 2017

ESO

ArchMikem wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Megabear wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

Housing and Group finders are far superior in FFXIV, everything else is better in ESO in my opinion.

Wow, just checked out the housing system in FFXIV. Yeah, much better than ESO's.

https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Housing

I can feel the sarcasm !

"Housing not accessed by the owner after a period of time will be reclaimed by the game."

Yes, that was an nice one especially looking how expensive hard drive space has become the last decade.
However in an subscription game it will keep people subscribing even if taking an break.
Looks like they have lost more to do in the house than just target dummy and crafting stations.
Gardening as in nimrot farming had been nice

Furniture limits are general lower than even the tiny in ESO.

jeevin · July 2017

Other

Battlefield 2
Too bad the games over

Belidos · July 2017

ESO

I recently tries final fantasy 14 because my cousin is obsessed with it, he loves the game, me I played for about 20 minutes and uninstalled, the NPC dialogue is long, drawn out and dull, no voice overs all text, the interface is clumsy and badly made, the control method is again clumsy and awkward, the combat is slow and boring, quests are a pain in the backside to find becuase those tiny little icons merge with every other tiny little icon on the map and the direction prompts are barely visible, and the worst thing of all .. mogs. they just don't belong in an mmo at all! Nope not for me..

Belidos · July 2017

ESO

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

FFXIV is a point-and-click MMO. It wouldn't work on console. It also uses too many abilities to map on a controller.

Erm, no it's not, it's a third person game with WASD controls similar to most mmo's out there, it's not point and click. Also Final Fantasy XV (the console version of XIV) is already out on PS4, so there's no reason it couldn't be ported to Xbox.

Tasear · July 2017

ESO

Eso of course

Betsararie · July 2017

ESO

I'm playing FF right now because of the maintenance.

I have to say, the lack of voice acting in this game is really weird because you'll see the person's mouth moving, and yet it's silent.

That's one area where ESO really delivered. Voice acting during every npc conversation is a very nice touch.

That said, FFXIV seems very good.

Lazrael · July 2017

Other

Sorry what? I was busy having sex with people. Oh yeah yeah, well I'm on the ESO forum sooooo what do you think?

Zordrage · July 2017

FF14 have an almost max lvl DRK in it...

Combat is UTTERLY boring and slow and clunky....
Ui is a GIANT mess and Overcompliacated for no purpose....
Map navigation is Horrendous.....
PvP barely has any and that small ammount it has is just bad....
Classes are ALL locked into 1 single role....
Its a freaken Track your buffs simulator with all of your abilities adding 3145 different buffs....
Voice acting is half assed some main stories have voice acting but its realy few.....
the story is Cheesy as hell......
TTK if your not a dps class is utterly LONG... and i mean super long... and beacues your class is locked into 1 lore... oh well..
Runing animation.... WTF is that seriously it hurts my eye....
Gear that is not Max level gear or class gear is Utterly Ugly and does not even fit in lol

Doing lower level Dungeons in dungeon finder NOT ONLY downlevels you but REMOVES ALL YOUR ABILITIES that you not suposed to have at that level Making it FREAKING *** because you will and up Spaming 2 abilities even tough you have like 20 but its all grayed out...

Want to play a new class that came out with the Expansion ? to bad your forced to go through ALL the main story quests.. that takes like a freaken WEEK TO DO AFTER you hit the end of the original game just to let you in on the expansion content just to be able to learn the new class and GET DOWNLEVELED to like 30 to make you grind to 50+ again JUST WITHOUT QUESTS THIS TIME BECAUSE YOU ALLREADY DONE THEM TO LET YOU IN TO THE EXPANSION ZONE.....

TLDR....

Game is Badly designed all arround....

Caligamy_ESO · July 2017

FFXIV

Belidos wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

FFXIV is a point-and-click MMO. It wouldn't work on console. It also uses too many abilities to map on a controller.

Erm, no it's not, it's a third person game with WASD controls similar to most mmo's out there, it's not point and click. Also Final Fantasy XV (the console version of XIV) is already out on PS4, so there's no reason it couldn't be ported to Xbox.

FFXIV doesn't exist on XBox for only one reason. The director of FFXIV, Naoki Yoshida, refused to divide the community up by platforms as Microsoft was insisting on it with their policies on cross-platform play. It was very publicly announced by him on many gaming forums, websites, and official forums.

RPG Site wrote:

Microsoft refuses to allow titles to share multiplayer servers between other platforms. For Final Fantasy XI's Xbox 360 release the company made an exception - presumably to curry favour with Square Enix to secure Final Fantasy XIII's release for their console - but no such exception has been made for the latest MMO entry. If Square Enix want to release it, they'd have to offer another set of servers for the Xbox 360 release. PC, PS3 and PS4 are all intended to share with no boundaries once released.

"The main reason from our side is that I don't want the community to be divided; to be split into two or more. For example, one player might be on the PC version, another might be on the PS4 version, and I'm playing the Xbox version - but we're not able to join the same game servers. That is just... I just don't like the idea. I disagree with it," ~Yoshida

http://www.rpgsite.net/news/2430-ff14-director-a-realm-reborn-skipping-xbox-is-still-down-to-microsoft

SpearDusk · July 2017

ESO

ESO, don't dig final fintasy's style

Draghorn · July 2017

ESO

FFXIV requires a subscription to play sooo......yeah, it's ESO for me.

When it comes to gaming, I pretty much avoid subscriptions like the plague.

Also this isn't exactly the best place to get some unbiased opinions. :P

DivinityDay wrote: »

Black Desert

Yeah, ESO and BDO are my two favorite MMOs of all time. ^_^

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

If SqEnix would ever release FFXIV on the Xbox, I'd move myself and my wife to FF in a heartbeat...

But, since they're obviously not swayed by the additional revenue they'd rake in with an Xbox release... ESO it is...

I believe the reason FFXIV never came to XBox is because Microsoft refused to wave the Gold Live fee for players of the game. (And Sony was willing to wave the Plus fee.) Basically that means free tier players were not going to be allowed to play it on that service.

tinythinker · July 2017

Go with whatever seems more fun or engaging. FFXIV has a trial where you can play indefinitely but not level higher than 35.

I enjoy both. Many players do, while other split their time with a different game. There is no rule you can only play one, even if you can only afford one sub at a time.

Belidos · July 2017

ESO

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Belidos wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

FFXIV is a point-and-click MMO. It wouldn't work on console. It also uses too many abilities to map on a controller.

Erm, no it's not, it's a third person game with WASD controls similar to most mmo's out there, it's not point and click. Also Final Fantasy XV (the console version of XIV) is already out on PS4, so there's no reason it couldn't be ported to Xbox.

FFXIV doesn't exist on XBox for only one reason. The director of FFXIV, Naoki Yoshida, refused to divide the community up by platforms as Microsoft was insisting on it with their policies on cross-platform play. It was very publicly announced by him on many gaming forums, websites, and official forums.

RPG Site wrote:

Microsoft refuses to allow titles to share multiplayer servers between other platforms. For Final Fantasy XI's Xbox 360 release the company made an exception - presumably to curry favour with Square Enix to secure Final Fantasy XIII's release for their console - but no such exception has been made for the latest MMO entry. If Square Enix want to release it, they'd have to offer another set of servers for the Xbox 360 release. PC, PS3 and PS4 are all intended to share with no boundaries once released.

"The main reason from our side is that I don't want the community to be divided; to be split into two or more. For example, one player might be on the PC version, another might be on the PS4 version, and I'm playing the Xbox version - but we're not able to join the same game servers. That is just... I just don't like the idea. I disagree with it," ~Yoshida

http://www.rpgsite.net/news/2430-ff14-director-a-realm-reborn-skipping-xbox-is-still-down-to-microsoft

I meant no technical reason, as in coding the game etc. Reasons of preference is all down to them, I was making the point that it is fully possible, and already done for one console.

Jeremy · July 2017

ESO

Zoliru wrote: »

FF14 have an almost max lvl DRK in it...

Combat is UTTERLY boring and slow and clunky....
Ui is a GIANT mess and Overcompliacated for no purpose....
Map navigation is Horrendous.....
PvP barely has any and that small ammount it has is just bad....
Classes are ALL locked into 1 single role....
Its a freaken Track your buffs simulator with all of your abilities adding 3145 different buffs....
Voice acting is half assed some main stories have voice acting but its realy few.....
the story is Cheesy as hell......
TTK if your not a dps class is utterly LONG... and i mean super long... and beacues your class is locked into 1 lore... oh well..
Runing animation.... WTF is that seriously it hurts my eye....
Gear that is not Max level gear or class gear is Utterly Ugly and does not even fit in lol

Nice review. I agree with most of your criticisms and they seem listed by order of importance as well.

AlMcFly · July 2017

Other

I've participated in both ESO and FF14 exclusively at an endgame level (not playing both at the same time). Both of them have their strengths and weaknesses, as well as peaking my preferences in different ways.

FF14 Class System is superior, just for sheer adaptability and variety.
ESO Character Creation is superior.
I prefer ESO story, as it has more of a "real-world" gritty feel. FF14 is very anime/Japanese-inspired, as is all of FF series, and not my preference. FF series story was amazing when I was an angsty, edgy teen. Not so much as a 34 year old man.
Combat systems of both ESO and FF14 are not that different, though ESO "feels" a little faster overall.
Dungeons of ESO and FF14 are both equally enjoyable, fun, and have various difficulties. The bosses in FF14 though feel a lot more EPIC though.
Open zone World Bosses in ESO are done better. In FF14, half of the people fighting with you are invisible because there are so many people, their character's won't even render.
The amount of bloom skill effects in FF14 are eye-bleed-inducing. This has a detrimental affect on rendering.
Both games are extremely grindy for gear drops.
I think FF14 has a better community overall (sorry ESO). FF14, at least in my experience, has a mid-game and endgame community which ALWAYS helps and almost always encourages. ESO feels like it has more elitists, high expectations, unhelpful people, and verbal garbage occurring in chat. This might be a product of FF14 being subscription-based and ESO being F2P. The FF14 population overall seems a lot more mature as well.
Cosmetic system in ESO feels only slightly superior to FF14 because there is more variety of dyes, and I also think there is more variety in the appearance of armor in ESO. Once Transmogrification comes to the game, ESO will jump light years ahead of FF14 in this regard.
PvP is slow and laggy in FF14. PvP is fast and laggy in ESO.
ESO world feels FAR more expansive, and the zones seem larger. FF14 zone sizes are quite small and feel claustrophobic at times. FF11 kicks FF14's @ss on the subject of expansive zones.
FF14 has some zones where you can use a flying mount...and it WORKS as a feature. This adds a certain variety that ESO will never have (and arguably shouldn't for different reasons).
Dealing with FF14's Customer Service and account website is like pulling teeth out with a nail file. ESO's website is very streamlined and Customer Service has always kept me satisfied in all disputes. To be fair, I did have one extremely helpful CS person in FF14 when recovering my old account info. Outside of that instance, FF14 policy doesn't really help you when the mistake is the player's (ie: buyer's remorse or accidental loss of items).
ESO's Community Managers are fairly responsive but their ability to affect real change is questionable. FF14 Community Managers don't exist (LOLs).
FF14 feels a lot more polished overall. Rarely are there bugs with releases, rarely do we have server problems. Everything just works consistently all the time. I think a fire has broken out in ZOS' offices every single day since the game released.
FF14 and ESO both give me a major nostalgia-b0ner in different ways.

SO yeah, pros and cons.

Edit: Grammar and Spelling.

PlautisCarvain · July 2017

ESO

Asking that on a ESO forum lmao

xRIVALENx · July 2017

Other

Might and Magic Book One: Secret of the Inner Sanctum

Cartography skills required

Azuramoonstar · July 2017

I'm just here to give my thoughts on FF14.

First and for most ff14 does have pvp, with the recent expac pvp is easier to do. Just level to 30. Its pretty fun, everyone is on the same level, gear has no baring on pvp. It is skill vs skill. Pvp skills are completely separate from pvp skills.

I've played ff14 on and off since launch of 1.0, and recently thought about quitting it. The game and story are fun enough, but the NA data center community sucks. No one really works together, and this game focuses on teamwork. The resent expac changed the game dramatically, and people are not adjusting to the changes well.

I was playing a tank called dark knight, and since the expac changed our damage stat, and made it hard to do the role. That band-aid fixed it but with players not working together, it barely helps.

Also the 2.5 gcd is fine. the game is set up that you weave off global cooldowns between your skills. Such as buffs, and attacks. It gets faster pace at endgame.

The biggest issue with ff14 is the community from my perspective, at launch it was fine. People work together, helped each other out gave tips. Now a days there is too much infighting, any tip given is met hostility. And any communication is either ignored, or scoffed at as a waste of time. As a tank player you need good teamwork, and if people are not.. it can make a dungeon run go south quick. The expectation of the community is too high, as in most people seem to require high end game play even in the lowest level of dungeons. Which is to say, as a tank you are suppose to pull a large portion of dungeon in 1 go, all classes must have awesome dps, even if their main role is not to dps or damage is not factored in the content.

When you try to communicate your issues, or side of not being able to do so due to gear, or it being your first time people will insult you. I recall my first cap dungeon run where I was told I was should have been a stain on the bed sheet, simple because I was new to the dungeon and not able to "speed run".

Peoples excuse for acting this is always one of three replies, "i got a real life i can't play for hours" "i ran this <insert an unrealistic number> times, i want this done" or lastly "its just <insert old content>, i out gear it".

On top of all that, the "burn it, skip mechanics" doesn't help new players, they miss things that do get repeated in other fights and are expected to know how to avoid it. If you don't watch a video before doing any content you are seen as a bad player, even if you say this is not how you learn. No one really seems to be on the same page.

That's my 2 cents on ff14 based off of playing 10 hrs a day 7 days a week for the past 5 years.

subtlezeroub17_ESO · July 2017

ESO

To me, FFXIV is pretty...and that's it. The visuals and music are top tier but the gameplay and class design is way too linear and cookie cutter for my tastes. I get it, it makes it easier to balance but what fun is there in playing a carbon copy of everyone else? SE is so against personal class customization that they won't introduce trinkets, proc sets, talent points, etc.

Thats why I enjoy ESO because my build could be totally different from the other guy's build of the same class.

Stamden · July 2017

Other

Destiny 2 gunna be da ***

Zordrage · July 2017

AlMcFly wrote: »

[*] Combat systems of both ESO and FF14 are not that different, though ESO "feels" a little faster overall.

i agree with you on the majority of the stuff..

but this... THIS...

THIS!!!!!....

is NO... NO.. and NO.... every single game i played out there that is an mmo has better combat then FF14.. im serious... and dont even compare it to Eso.... its Earth and Sky seriously....

Tyrobag · July 2017

ESO

Why do people keep necroing a pointless thread?

Zordrage · July 2017

Tyrobag wrote: »

Why do people keep necroing a pointless thread?

You post in an existing thread ? OMG OMG NECRO NECRO WHAAAA WHAA...

You created a new thread ? OMG YOU NAAAAB there are 1125551 about this post in them WHaaaaa whaaaaaa....

What ? its true...

AlMcFly · July 2017

Other

Zoliru wrote: »

AlMcFly wrote: »

[*] Combat systems of both ESO and FF14 are not that different, though ESO "feels" a little faster overall.

i agree with you on the majority of the stuff..

but this... THIS...

THIS!!!!!....

is NO... NO.. and NO.... every single game i played out there that is an mmo has better combat then FF14.. im serious... and dont even compare it to Eso.... its Earth and Sky seriously....

I admit, I stopped playing FF14 after playing most of the Heavensward content , so it's not really fresh in my memory anymore.

I just remember the dungeon and trial battles in FF14 being extremely rotation-based, and the bosses all having a preset mechanics rotation that you memorize. At high level, I was just memorizing fights and using pre-memorized skill rotations (I always played a tank in FF14). In these ways, I didn't find FF14 being much different than WoW. Both literally contain the same concepts. The holy trinity is highly in play for both games as well.

ESO is essentially the same game in those regards. Rotation-based. Boss-mechanics and patterns. Holy Trinity.

The ONLY big difference I will admit is that ESO does not not NOT give you any tutorials on how to play your class well haha. This is why there are so many terribad players trying to run Hardmode Trials in ESO. FF14, if I recall, tested your class-specific skills in challenges, essentially training you a bit how to play. At least, this was the case for us tanks.

Again, my memory may be flawed, I fully admit ;P

Zordrage · July 2017

AlMcFly wrote: »

Zoliru wrote: »

AlMcFly wrote: »

[*] Combat systems of both ESO and FF14 are not that different, though ESO "feels" a little faster overall.

i agree with you on the majority of the stuff..

but this... THIS...

THIS!!!!!....

is NO... NO.. and NO.... every single game i played out there that is an mmo has better combat then FF14.. im serious... and dont even compare it to Eso.... its Earth and Sky seriously....

I admit, I stopped playing FF14 after playing most of the Heavensward content , so it's not really fresh in my memory anymore.

I just remember the dungeon and trial battles in FF14 being extremely rotation-based, and the bosses all having a preset mechanics rotation that you memorize. At high level, I was just memorizing fights and using pre-memorized skill rotations (I always played a tank in FF14). In these ways, I didn't find FF14 being much different than WoW. Both literally contain the same concepts. The holy trinity is highly in play for both games as well.

ESO is essentially the same game in those regards. Rotation-based. Boss-mechanics and patterns. Holy Trinity.

The ONLY big difference I will admit is that ESO does not not NOT give you any tutorials on how to play your class well haha. This is why there are so many terribad players trying to run Hardmode Trials in ESO. FF14, if I recall, tested your class-specific skills in challenges, essentially training you a bit how to play. At least, this was the case for us tanks.

Again, my memory may be flawed, I fully admit ;P

its not just that the entire combat... even WoWs combat is more fluid and fast

Esos combat even adds extras like dodges sprint blocking many Abilities need to be used as a reaction to something else..

FFXV Coombat is just shallow and Boring and UTTERLY SLOW.... the only thing you need to watch is some of your buff while you move side ways a few times and try not to fall a sleep..... also allot of the attacks you do does not even feel impactfull....
just many shiny effects and thats it...

AlMcFly · July 2017

Other

Zoliru wrote: »

FFXV Coombat is just shallow and Boring and UTTERLY SLOW.... the only thing you need to watch is some of your buff while you move side ways a few times and try not to fall a sleep..... also allot of the attacks you do does not even feel impactfull....
just many shiny effects and thats it...

I agree with this. I remember some really long Esper battles getting so tedious and boring, especially the ones that didn't require a lot of movement. Those Trials of Bahamut though were pretty stressful at times when you didn't have a pro team fighting alongside you.