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Cloaking in PvP
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Destyran✭✭✭✭✭If you are solo, take the second part of my quote (the one you cut off) and place a trap.
How exactly does a cinder storm or a mine at the shade prevent the NB from doing step 4: dodge roll and cloak? Hint: it doesn't. A volcanic rune only delays it by a single break free, then he's gone, and that's assuming the NB wasn't CC immune, and you had volcanic rune slotted (you know how many i saw placed in the last six months? Two.)Or just pop detect and spam AOE and gap closers.
Detect is already running, thats the whole point of the shade. And you can spam AOE's all you want, the NB is 15m away, behind you, and disappears in 0.5 sec. And that's if you are lucky, and he didn't teleport up an unclimbable cliff, or through a wall.
Typical stamNB encounter:
He jumps at you and rng fails to proc his cheese. You get 7 seconds of Cc immunity. He tries to cloak away. You AOE him. He manages to live through seven seconds of you AOEing, snaring and gapclosing him until he manages to fear you. His cloak is successful. You pop a detection pot, he realizes this after 1-2 seconds defense&reaction time. He pops a shade. You aoe him while he pulls you away from the shade. You don't trap the shade, you don't finish him and 4 secs later he manages to teleport back and dodge cloak away.
If this is how you would describe your encounters with nbs, then they totally deserve to live through your attempts to kill them.
PS: if he puts his shade directly after the failed gank and doesn't use the cc to disengage, it's even easier as you can pop the pot when he tries to teleport back and have another x seconds of aoe on him.
And this is all if you're both alone - what never happens in an environment designed for large scale group AvA.
Problem is most people slot only single target attacks or player based instead of ground based dots and then come to the forums to qq about blocking immovable tanks and cloaking nightblades, the two specs whose defenses directly counter that play style.
Heck I forgot there even is a low cost ultimate that denies cloak and goes through dodge available for everyone.
Are you talking about soul assault? Because it can be cloaked raidiant cloaked. Its bull crap.
Nb stuns fron steath with incap proc sets dont go off and he cloaks away drinks a pot and gets incap again comes in rinse repeat. Ritual of retribution doesnt even pull em out anymore0 -
I hate how cloak makes you miss every time you attack them I use detect pots but it's pointless because morning hits someone who is cloaked anyways. I say ESO should fix that I'm fine with the fact they can cloak w/e but let me at least hit them while they are cloaked. It shouldn't count as a roll dodge as well as an escape. If someone attacks a nb in cloak it should be a hit.2 -
Unfadingsilence✭✭✭✭✭
✭So I did a screen shot of stats in none CP and a CP campaign these are fully buffed with continuous attack as well first here is none CP
None CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952805
CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952810
And last let's show the video of me doing cloak I used a few pots and I can if I wanted to perma cloak on my Stam NB I messed up a few times but all in all 50 cloaks yes 50
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/video/34371504Edited by Unfadingsilence on July 24, 2017 5:38AM2 -
Sarno✭I like how people want to nerf cloak, treating that ability as some sort of "I win" button, while ignoring the fact that the only other defense stamblades have is dodge roll, and let's be honest NBs are doing zero damage while rolling.
Meanwhile we have Templars and DKs tanking groups effortlessly while dishing out big crits, and Sorcs spamming the living hell out of shields without any significant drain on magicka, but nobody bats an eye.
If you want to nerf cloak for the sake of balance, then you will surely agree with the folowing nerfs as well:
- Heavy armor wearers now cannot sprint and sneak.
- Wearing heavy armor reduces stamina and magicka regen by 50% and prevents you from healing yourself.
- Equipping a shield prevents you from landing a crit with damage and healing abilities.
- Casting damage shield raises the cost of all other damage shield abilities by 33% for 10 seconds. This can stack indefinitely and every damage shield ability cast also refreshes previous stacks.Edited by Sarno on July 24, 2017 7:27AM4 -
ArgonianAustin✭✭✭✭Unfadingsilence wrote: »So I did a screen shot of stats in none CP and a CP campaign these are fully buffed with continuous attack as well first here is none CP
None CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952805
CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952810
And last let's show the video of me doing cloak I used a few pots and I can if I wanted to perma cloak on my Stam NB I messed up a few times but all in all 50 cloaks yes 50
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/video/34371504
I can cloak longer than you. Since I'm an argonian thats even more magicka if I drink a potion.Edited by ArgonianAustin on July 24, 2017 9:02AMJust a Lizard Man that plays ESO with my twin brother khajiit_kyle2 -
kijima✭✭✭✭✭
✭I've got posions that I use on my weapons that take the player out of stealth for 4 seconds, it's amazing how quickly a NB melts when out of cloak, especially if they player relies upon it.
Detect potions are good too, or revealing flare.Been here since Feb 2014 - You'd think I'd be half reasonable at this game by now...1 -
Knootewoot✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭If my magblade could not cloak many times he would never survive anything. Less protection then stamblades and less burst and still as a melee maglbade I have to come up close and try to get the upperhand. If it fails I have 2 options:
-die
-try to cloak away
The first one works always
The second option fails a lot because I get caltrops thrown over me, I get rooted in place, people drink detection potions and I think I am cloaked but still get beaten, or I get marked by another NB, people spam flare etc.
It might be a l2p issue on my side if people watch streams mag NB's owning cyrodill in 1 vs XXX. But that is not the reality.
No nightblade can stand toe to toe with DK's or sorcs. Some of us use cloak to get away and "reset" the fight. Others use gear to make distance and retry and pick people from distance (and yet hordes of people try to chase them and get picked of one by one)
Cloak is for at least magblade in light armor and melee the only means of escaping a failed attempt.
I don't say NB is to weak, but without cloak melee magblade is extinct. And stamblades can cloak mostly 4-5 times (on my Breton stamblade I could). If they are perma invisible for quit some time, that is due to invisibilty potions available to all players who have Alchemy. They last 14-15 seconds.٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
"I am a nightblade. Blending the disciplines of the stealthy agent and subtle wizard, I move unseen and undetected, foil locks and traps, and teleport to safety when threatened, or strike like a viper from ambush. The College of Illusion hides me and fuddles or pacifies my opponents. The College of Mysticism detects my object, reflects and dispels enemy spells, and makes good my escape. The key to a nightblade's success is avoidance, by spell or by stealth; with these skills, all things are possible."0 -
Aedaryl✭✭✭✭✭
✭Knootewoot wrote: »If my magblade could not cloak many times he would never survive anything. Less protection then stamblades and less burst and still as a melee maglbade I have to come up close and try to get the upperhand. If it fails I have 2 options:
-die
-try to cloak away
The first one works always
The second option fails a lot because I get caltrops thrown over me, I get rooted in place, people drink detection potions and I think I am cloaked but still get beaten, or I get marked by another NB, people spam flare etc.
It might be a l2p issue on my side if people watch streams mag NB's owning cyrodill in 1 vs XXX. But that is not the reality.
No nightblade can stand toe to toe with DK's or sorcs. Some of us use cloak to get away and "reset" the fight. Others use gear to make distance and retry and pick people from distance (and yet hordes of people try to chase them and get picked of one by one)
Cloak is for at least magblade in light armor and melee the only means of escaping a failed attempt.
I don't say NB is to weak, but without cloak melee magblade is extinct. And stamblades can cloak mostly 4-5 times (on my Breton stamblade I could). If they are perma invisible for quit some time, that is due to invisibilty potions available to all players who have Alchemy. They last 14-15 seconds.
It's a L2P issue, you forgot something important, the best escape skill in the game : SHADOW IMAGE. With it, you can escape 99% of fight associated with cloak.1 -
Orchish✭✭✭✭✭
✭A good nightblade player can avoid any fight and escape almost every single fight to reset it. When you come up against these players Nightblade is the most annoying and deadly class to fight especially with proc-sets being so strong. Sorcs and Nightblades are a cut above the other 3 classes. Just look at the scoreboards in PvP huge majority are Sorcs and Nightblades. There is a reason for that.3 -
deepseamk20b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭ArgonianAustin wrote: »Unfadingsilence wrote: »So I did a screen shot of stats in none CP and a CP campaign these are fully buffed with continuous attack as well first here is none CP
None CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952805
CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952810
And last let's show the video of me doing cloak I used a few pots and I can if I wanted to perma cloak on my Stam NB I messed up a few times but all in all 50 cloaks yes 50
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/video/34371504
I can cloak longer than you. Since I'm an argonian thats even more magicka if I drink a potion.
So what's your build
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thankyourat✭✭✭✭✭
✭Knootewoot wrote: »If my magblade could not cloak many times he would never survive anything. Less protection then stamblades and less burst and still as a melee maglbade I have to come up close and try to get the upperhand. If it fails I have 2 options:
-die
-try to cloak away
The first one works always
The second option fails a lot because I get caltrops thrown over me, I get rooted in place, people drink detection potions and I think I am cloaked but still get beaten, or I get marked by another NB, people spam flare etc.
It might be a l2p issue on my side if people watch streams mag NB's owning cyrodill in 1 vs XXX. But that is not the reality.
No nightblade can stand toe to toe with DK's or sorcs. Some of us use cloak to get away and "reset" the fight. Others use gear to make distance and retry and pick people from distance (and yet hordes of people try to chase them and get picked of one by one)
Cloak is for at least magblade in light armor and melee the only means of escaping a failed attempt.
I don't say NB is to weak, but without cloak melee magblade is extinct. And stamblades can cloak mostly 4-5 times (on my Breton stamblade I could). If they are perma invisible for quit some time, that is due to invisibilty potions available to all players who have Alchemy. They last 14-15 seconds.
It's a L2P issue, you forgot something important, the best escape skill in the game : SHADOW IMAGE. With it, you can escape 99% of fight associated with cloak.
That's only if you hide the shadow image behind line of sight and you are not snared. If your opponent knows how to play and you are snared its going to be impossible to escape. Magblade is all about positioning so if they are snared they will have a hard time doing anything including escaping fights.Unfadingsilence wrote: »So I did a screen shot of stats in none CP and a CP campaign these are fully buffed with continuous attack as well first here is none CP
None CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952805
CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952810
And last let's show the video of me doing cloak I used a few pots and I can if I wanted to perma cloak on my Stam NB I messed up a few times but all in all 50 cloaks yes 50
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/video/34371504
That's out of combat cloaks though once in combat you will not be able to cloak as much. You also have to sacrifice alot of health making you vunerable to being one shot off you are pinned down with a cc followed by a high damaging ability. So your build seems pretty balanced0 -
DocFrost72✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Long time NB pvp main. Two things you have wrong.
Firstly, stamina nightblades get three, maybe four cloaks in combat. That's it. Think I'm kidding, or flat out wrong? Cloak's cost is 3780. If I wear 7 medium armor, and use my ring enchants for stam rec/weapon damage, I have no bonus to cost reduction at all. Zero. None. Base magicka pool for cp300 is around 9-10k, based on race. We'll even assume for the lulz I have 1K magicka regen (I have 600 ish).
Cloak 1: 10k-3780= 6220 magicka. Recover 1k.
Cloak 2: 7220 (assuming you weren't pulled out early)- 3780 = 3440. Recover 1k.
Cloak 3: 4440-3780 =660. Recover 1k.
Wait .5 seconds for another recovery tick, still only have 2660. With 300-400 more recovery than most have. You got, that's right, three cloaks IF we're even assuming you didn't get pulled out of one early and had a full 2.5 seconds to regen.
I have to run tristat foods and give up stamina, health, and or stamina regen to cloak one or two more times. Pretty sure that's fair. Idk, maybe you have different math?
Secondly, let's get this aaaaall out in the open. If you can't be bothered to slot one ability to counter an entire playstyle that takes 11 pieces of gear, 10 enchants, and a specific food to run, we'll you're not compromising at all. You're telling me that you're so annoyed by stamina NB ganks (or as you described them, fleeing players. Lol.), but you don't accept the in game counters and want a nerf? What if I said DK wings were absolutely broken and needed a scaling cost increase because of me being unable to hit them. Why would I slot force pulse, I don't have the space on my bar for it.
TL;DR: Slot radiant mage light on your bar, or run detect pots. If you can't be "bothered" to use the counterplay, I have bad news. No playstyle is limitless. We all have counters, and if you want to address your weakness you'll need to take a look at your build.
Have a great day!Edited by DocFrost72 on July 24, 2017 4:24PM4 -
Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Dalsinthus wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »The thing I hate most about cloak is that it suppresses all DOTs. That is such a stupid crutch get-out-of-jail-free card. Isn't it enough that Cloak makes you invisible, hit harder, and move faster?
I love playing stamblade but that particular feature of cloak is completely over the top.
One morph of cloak used to cleans the dots. It was a nerf when it was changed to mere suppression. Dots are to prevelent in the game to have cloak not work at all when dots are present. Would make it virtually unusable as intended.
Besides, OP is likely incorrect with his assumption of what he saw. Stamblades cannot cloak for long since they lack the max magicka and magicka regen. It was likely a potion used, and maybe cloak a time or two along with it.
No to be clear I don't think DOTs should break cloak, but the damage should continue IMO.
That's an interesting idea and it could work, but I think you'd have to give nbs some access to major mending or they would just melt. It's already the squishiest class.
Properly built stamblades aren't squishy at all. You know that Shadowy Disguise > Rally is already a full-health heal right?
don't want to be that guy, but rally is a HoT, right?
Rally itself is a HOT, but when it ends (by reapplying) it burst heals. So rally, cloak, wait 5 seconds, rally, heal
hmm, a heal that cost 6k magicka on a stamblade (half their magicka pool)Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique0 -
QuebraRegra✭✭✭✭✭
✭Unfadingsilence wrote: »So I did a screen shot of stats in none CP and a CP campaign these are fully buffed with continuous attack as well first here is none CP
None CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952805
CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952810
And last let's show the video of me doing cloak I used a few pots and I can if I wanted to perma cloak on my Stam NB I messed up a few times but all in all 50 cloaks yes 50
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/video/34371504
holy !@#^%!... dem pots! I didn't think any where near 50 was even possible.0 -
Unfadingsilence✭✭✭✭✭
✭thankyourat wrote: »Knootewoot wrote: »If my magblade could not cloak many times he would never survive anything. Less protection then stamblades and less burst and still as a melee maglbade I have to come up close and try to get the upperhand. If it fails I have 2 options:
-die
-try to cloak away
The first one works always
The second option fails a lot because I get caltrops thrown over me, I get rooted in place, people drink detection potions and I think I am cloaked but still get beaten, or I get marked by another NB, people spam flare etc.
It might be a l2p issue on my side if people watch streams mag NB's owning cyrodill in 1 vs XXX. But that is not the reality.
No nightblade can stand toe to toe with DK's or sorcs. Some of us use cloak to get away and "reset" the fight. Others use gear to make distance and retry and pick people from distance (and yet hordes of people try to chase them and get picked of one by one)
Cloak is for at least magblade in light armor and melee the only means of escaping a failed attempt.
I don't say NB is to weak, but without cloak melee magblade is extinct. And stamblades can cloak mostly 4-5 times (on my Breton stamblade I could). If they are perma invisible for quit some time, that is due to invisibilty potions available to all players who have Alchemy. They last 14-15 seconds.
It's a L2P issue, you forgot something important, the best escape skill in the game : SHADOW IMAGE. With it, you can escape 99% of fight associated with cloak.
That's only if you hide the shadow image behind line of sight and you are not snared. If your opponent knows how to play and you are snared its going to be impossible to escape. Magblade is all about positioning so if they are snared they will have a hard time doing anything including escaping fights.Unfadingsilence wrote: »So I did a screen shot of stats in none CP and a CP campaign these are fully buffed with continuous attack as well first here is none CP
None CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952805
CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952810
And last let's show the video of me doing cloak I used a few pots and I can if I wanted to perma cloak on my Stam NB I messed up a few times but all in all 50 cloaks yes 50
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/video/34371504
That's out of combat cloaks though once in combat you will not be able to cloak as much. You also have to sacrifice alot of health making you vunerable to being one shot off you are pinned down with a cc followed by a high damaging ability. So your build seems pretty balanced
So far with this set up I have yet to be 1 shot and in combat my cloak is around 15 or so with a pot0 -
Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It took me 3 years to learn how to use cloak. 3 years in which most of the fights were lost because I burned my mag pool. 3 years trying to combine cloak with a shield, cloak with shade, cloak with a heal (that is not used anymore, since it reveals you), 3 years learning how to avoid dmg, were to go, how you can use cloak with a 5% magicka pool, to get to spot were you can sneak safely to recover magicka, 3 years learning how to avoid caltrops, flares, and AoEs in general spammed at you when anyone noticed you were there.
I'm not the best NB out there, but I've worked hard learning how to play the class. If I kill you is because I've dedicated a part of my life to learn how to kill others in PvP. So if I kill you using cloak as an offensive mechanic is because I can do it and I deserve the AP you are giving to me.
And even with that, I die a lot, because a pot... a simple pot sends all those 3 years to the trash can. A pot that you learn to use in less that a half an our. Do I complain about that?
Those are the rules, accept it, or go play "My Little Pony Online"Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique4 -
DocFrost72✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Unfadingsilence wrote: »So I did a screen shot of stats in none CP and a CP campaign these are fully buffed with continuous attack as well first here is none CP
None CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952805
CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952810
And last let's show the video of me doing cloak I used a few pots and I can if I wanted to perma cloak on my Stam NB I messed up a few times but all in all 50 cloaks yes 50
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/video/34371504
Few things to keep in mind:
You're using (at least) restore magicka and magicka regen pots on cooldown.
You're out of combat. You have double regen.
You started with 13k magicka, meaning you invested at least somewhere into that.
So you're going to do less damage than someone who did none of that, but also able to cloak more. Seems balanced to me. Also, cool build Edited by DocFrost72 on July 24, 2017 4:58PM0 -
Knootewoot✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »If my magblade could not cloak many times he would never survive anything. Less protection then stamblades and less burst and still as a melee maglbade I have to come up close and try to get the upperhand. If it fails I have 2 options:
-die
-try to cloak away
The first one works always
The second option fails a lot because I get caltrops thrown over me, I get rooted in place, people drink detection potions and I think I am cloaked but still get beaten, or I get marked by another NB, people spam flare etc.
It might be a l2p issue on my side if people watch streams mag NB's owning cyrodill in 1 vs XXX. But that is not the reality.
No nightblade can stand toe to toe with DK's or sorcs. Some of us use cloak to get away and "reset" the fight. Others use gear to make distance and retry and pick people from distance (and yet hordes of people try to chase them and get picked of one by one)
Cloak is for at least magblade in light armor and melee the only means of escaping a failed attempt.
I don't say NB is to weak, but without cloak melee magblade is extinct. And stamblades can cloak mostly 4-5 times (on my Breton stamblade I could). If they are perma invisible for quit some time, that is due to invisibilty potions available to all players who have Alchemy. They last 14-15 seconds.
It's a L2P issue, you forgot something important, the best escape skill in the game : SHADOW IMAGE. With it, you can escape 99% of fight associated with cloak.
Well, i am not handy with shadow cloak and i hardly fall for it when someone else does. Against solo it will work but against 1 vs X it fails a lot from what i see (because half the people follows you and some smartasses camp shadow image like me).
No, shadow image is not for all.
And why does cloak needs a "nerf" then when shadow image is more powerfull as an escape skill. I heard this a lot when cloak came up..
Crowd: Nerf cloak it's to OP.
NB's: it's broken and to many counters
Crowd: L2P use shadow image it's even more OPEdited by Knootewoot on July 24, 2017 5:01PM٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
"I am a nightblade. Blending the disciplines of the stealthy agent and subtle wizard, I move unseen and undetected, foil locks and traps, and teleport to safety when threatened, or strike like a viper from ambush. The College of Illusion hides me and fuddles or pacifies my opponents. The College of Mysticism detects my object, reflects and dispels enemy spells, and makes good my escape. The key to a nightblade's success is avoidance, by spell or by stealth; with these skills, all things are possible."0 -
deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »ArgonianAustin wrote: »Unfadingsilence wrote: »So I did a screen shot of stats in none CP and a CP campaign these are fully buffed with continuous attack as well first here is none CP
None CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952805
CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952810
And last let's show the video of me doing cloak I used a few pots and I can if I wanted to perma cloak on my Stam NB I messed up a few times but all in all 50 cloaks yes 50
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/video/34371504
I can cloak longer than you. Since I'm an argonian thats even more magicka if I drink a potion.
So what's your build ?
I'm sorry I totally forgot about cp I play in non cp so your stats majority are cut in half if you could for my curiosity could you take the pic in non cp I wanna see what you got.
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ArgonianAustin✭✭✭✭I run 5 bone pirate, 5 shacklebreaker, 1 blood spawn. All tr-stat, magicka and stamina recovery drink, put enough point into stamina until its 30k then rest into health.Just a Lizard Man that plays ESO with my twin brother khajiit_kyle1
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KingJ✭✭✭✭✭
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I'm sorry but that setup is your health is way to low same with your stam.1 Incap Selene combo and your dead with that build.Your build is reliant on dodge roll and cloaking but if you fight someone with a brain and no how to counter cloak your screwed and can't heal.You have a lot of stam recovery so you can dodge roll alot even then there a lot of abilities that goes to dodge roll.Unfadingsilence wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »Knootewoot wrote: »If my magblade could not cloak many times he would never survive anything. Less protection then stamblades and less burst and still as a melee maglbade I have to come up close and try to get the upperhand. If it fails I have 2 options:
-die
-try to cloak away
The first one works always
The second option fails a lot because I get caltrops thrown over me, I get rooted in place, people drink detection potions and I think I am cloaked but still get beaten, or I get marked by another NB, people spam flare etc.
It might be a l2p issue on my side if people watch streams mag NB's owning cyrodill in 1 vs XXX. But that is not the reality.
No nightblade can stand toe to toe with DK's or sorcs. Some of us use cloak to get away and "reset" the fight. Others use gear to make distance and retry and pick people from distance (and yet hordes of people try to chase them and get picked of one by one)
Cloak is for at least magblade in light armor and melee the only means of escaping a failed attempt.
I don't say NB is to weak, but without cloak melee magblade is extinct. And stamblades can cloak mostly 4-5 times (on my Breton stamblade I could). If they are perma invisible for quit some time, that is due to invisibilty potions available to all players who have Alchemy. They last 14-15 seconds.
It's a L2P issue, you forgot something important, the best escape skill in the game : SHADOW IMAGE. With it, you can escape 99% of fight associated with cloak.
That's only if you hide the shadow image behind line of sight and you are not snared. If your opponent knows how to play and you are snared its going to be impossible to escape. Magblade is all about positioning so if they are snared they will have a hard time doing anything including escaping fights.Unfadingsilence wrote: »So I did a screen shot of stats in none CP and a CP campaign these are fully buffed with continuous attack as well first here is none CP
None CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952805
CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952810
And last let's show the video of me doing cloak I used a few pots and I can if I wanted to perma cloak on my Stam NB I messed up a few times but all in all 50 cloaks yes 50
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/video/34371504
That's out of combat cloaks though once in combat you will not be able to cloak as much. You also have to sacrifice alot of health making you vunerable to being one shot off you are pinned down with a cc followed by a high damaging ability. So your build seems pretty balanced
So far with this set up I have yet to be 1 shot and in combat my cloak is around 15 or so with a pot
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Rikkof✭✭✭NB just dodges too much attacks imo, the way dodge should work is they can dodge just one attack, not a buff on playe rthat last x amount of time
also cloack should cost more and more the faster u use it, PERIOD ( like streak)
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✭✭NB just dodges too much attacks imo, the way dodge should work is they can dodge just one attack, not a buff on playe rthat last x amount of time
also cloack should cost more and more the faster u use it, PERIOD ( like streak)
NB simply cant have insane survability and damage at same time
You know cloak last 3 secs and costs 4k magicka?
Incremental cost kills cloak. A sorc streaking can stop streaking to recover magicka during the 4 secs window, reducing the cost again. A NB cloaking can't stop cloaking in a 4 sec window to recover magicka. Going stealth doesn't help.
Want incremenat cost? Well, then suggest something else, like cloak lasting more than 3 secs.
Currently for a Mageblade it is hard to do dmg and cloak at the same time. You live with 1/4 of you magicka poolEdited by Xvorg on July 24, 2017 6:20PMSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
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✭✭datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »Stealth in PvP is lame in any MMO. It shouldn't basically be a get out of jail free card. If you pick a fight you should have to see it to its end. Just my opinion.
If gap closers did not exist i would agree with you.PS4 NA DC0 -
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I'm sorry but that setup is your health is way to low same with your stam.1 Incap Selene combo and your dead with that build.Your build is reliant on dodge roll and cloaking but if you fight someone with a brain and no how to counter cloak your screwed and can't heal.You have a lot of stam recovery so you can dodge roll alot even then there a lot of abilities that goes to dodge roll.Unfadingsilence wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »Knootewoot wrote: »If my magblade could not cloak many times he would never survive anything. Less protection then stamblades and less burst and still as a melee maglbade I have to come up close and try to get the upperhand. If it fails I have 2 options:
-die
-try to cloak away
The first one works always
The second option fails a lot because I get caltrops thrown over me, I get rooted in place, people drink detection potions and I think I am cloaked but still get beaten, or I get marked by another NB, people spam flare etc.
It might be a l2p issue on my side if people watch streams mag NB's owning cyrodill in 1 vs XXX. But that is not the reality.
No nightblade can stand toe to toe with DK's or sorcs. Some of us use cloak to get away and "reset" the fight. Others use gear to make distance and retry and pick people from distance (and yet hordes of people try to chase them and get picked of one by one)
Cloak is for at least magblade in light armor and melee the only means of escaping a failed attempt.
I don't say NB is to weak, but without cloak melee magblade is extinct. And stamblades can cloak mostly 4-5 times (on my Breton stamblade I could). If they are perma invisible for quit some time, that is due to invisibilty potions available to all players who have Alchemy. They last 14-15 seconds.
It's a L2P issue, you forgot something important, the best escape skill in the game : SHADOW IMAGE. With it, you can escape 99% of fight associated with cloak.
That's only if you hide the shadow image behind line of sight and you are not snared. If your opponent knows how to play and you are snared its going to be impossible to escape. Magblade is all about positioning so if they are snared they will have a hard time doing anything including escaping fights.Unfadingsilence wrote: »So I did a screen shot of stats in none CP and a CP campaign these are fully buffed with continuous attack as well first here is none CP
None CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952805
CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952810
And last let's show the video of me doing cloak I used a few pots and I can if I wanted to perma cloak on my Stam NB I messed up a few times but all in all 50 cloaks yes 50
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/video/34371504
That's out of combat cloaks though once in combat you will not be able to cloak as much. You also have to sacrifice alot of health making you vunerable to being one shot off you are pinned down with a cc followed by a high damaging ability. So your build seems pretty balanced
So far with this set up I have yet to be 1 shot and in combat my cloak is around 15 or so with a pot
I have yet to run into anyone who can kill me all out with a combo even top tier players on Xbox NA I have been killed in 1v1 and so on but yet to have anyone just burst me down all my build runs off of dodge rolls cloak and dot damage 4 dots all together and 2 of them go off with just 1 hit and my CP set up along with my NB passives it only takes a few hits to burst someone down on my end a few more if they are in heavy or spamming Shields the whole time0 -
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✭✭datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »Stealth in PvP is lame in any MMO. It shouldn't basically be a get out of jail free card. If you pick a fight you should have to see it to its end. Just my opinion.
If that's the case, a sorcerers bolt escape should go aswell. So they really have to comit to the fight like dk's and templars
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Hempyre✭✭✭✭Cloak is fine. Every mmo has had some version of it. And while not cloak per se, everyone gets access to invis in eso.
There are countless counters to it from drinks to gear to ground aoe to class/non-class specific skills in both stam and mag.
Complaining about cloak is ridiculous.
Exaggerating about cloak is more ridiculous.
A typical stam nb can hit cloak, maybe three times at best before requiring a pot for the mag, not 5. You can of course build anyway you want and get that 5, but at a cost... Like any class, like any skill.
Build your toon better if you're having issues. Its not the skill, it's you!Edited by Hempyre on July 25, 2017 3:41AM1