If you are solo, take the second part of my quote (the one you cut off) and place a trap.
How exactly does a cinder storm or a mine at the shade prevent the NB from doing step 4: dodge roll and cloak? Hint: it doesn't. A volcanic rune only delays it by a single break free, then he's gone, and that's assuming the NB wasn't CC immune, and you had volcanic rune slotted (you know how many i saw placed in the last six months? Two.)Or just pop detect and spam AOE and gap closers.
Detect is already running, thats the whole point of the shade. And you can spam AOE's all you want, the NB is 15m away, behind you, and disappears in 0.5 sec. And that's if you are lucky, and he didn't teleport up an unclimbable cliff, or through a wall.
Typical stamNB encounter:
He jumps at you and rng fails to proc his cheese. You get 7 seconds of Cc immunity. He tries to cloak away. You AOE him. He manages to live through seven seconds of you AOEing, snaring and gapclosing him until he manages to fear you. His cloak is successful. You pop a detection pot, he realizes this after 1-2 seconds defense&reaction time. He pops a shade. You aoe him while he pulls you away from the shade. You don't trap the shade, you don't finish him and 4 secs later he manages to teleport back and dodge cloak away.
If this is how you would describe your encounters with nbs, then they totally deserve to live through your attempts to kill them.
PS: if he puts his shade directly after the failed gank and doesn't use the cc to disengage, it's even easier as you can pop the pot when he tries to teleport back and have another x seconds of aoe on him.
And this is all if you're both alone - what never happens in an environment designed for large scale group AvA.
Problem is most people slot only single target attacks or player based instead of ground based dots and then come to the forums to qq about blocking immovable tanks and cloaking nightblades, the two specs whose defenses directly counter that play style.
Heck I forgot there even is a low cost ultimate that denies cloak and goes through dodge available for everyone.
Unfadingsilence wrote: »So I did a screen shot of stats in none CP and a CP campaign these are fully buffed with continuous attack as well first here is none CP
None CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952805
CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952810
And last let's show the video of me doing cloak I used a few pots and I can if I wanted to perma cloak on my Stam NB I messed up a few times but all in all 50 cloaks yes 50
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/video/34371504
Knootewoot wrote: »If my magblade could not cloak many times he would never survive anything. Less protection then stamblades and less burst and still as a melee maglbade I have to come up close and try to get the upperhand. If it fails I have 2 options:
-die
-try to cloak away
The first one works always
The second option fails a lot because I get caltrops thrown over me, I get rooted in place, people drink detection potions and I think I am cloaked but still get beaten, or I get marked by another NB, people spam flare etc.
It might be a l2p issue on my side if people watch streams mag NB's owning cyrodill in 1 vs XXX. But that is not the reality.
No nightblade can stand toe to toe with DK's or sorcs. Some of us use cloak to get away and "reset" the fight. Others use gear to make distance and retry and pick people from distance (and yet hordes of people try to chase them and get picked of one by one)
Cloak is for at least magblade in light armor and melee the only means of escaping a failed attempt.
I don't say NB is to weak, but without cloak melee magblade is extinct. And stamblades can cloak mostly 4-5 times (on my Breton stamblade I could). If they are perma invisible for quit some time, that is due to invisibilty potions available to all players who have Alchemy. They last 14-15 seconds.
ArgonianAustin wrote: »Unfadingsilence wrote: »So I did a screen shot of stats in none CP and a CP campaign these are fully buffed with continuous attack as well first here is none CP
None CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952805
CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952810
And last let's show the video of me doing cloak I used a few pots and I can if I wanted to perma cloak on my Stam NB I messed up a few times but all in all 50 cloaks yes 50
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/video/34371504
I can cloak longer than you. Since I'm an argonian thats even more magicka if I drink a potion.
Knootewoot wrote: »If my magblade could not cloak many times he would never survive anything. Less protection then stamblades and less burst and still as a melee maglbade I have to come up close and try to get the upperhand. If it fails I have 2 options:
-die
-try to cloak away
The first one works always
The second option fails a lot because I get caltrops thrown over me, I get rooted in place, people drink detection potions and I think I am cloaked but still get beaten, or I get marked by another NB, people spam flare etc.
It might be a l2p issue on my side if people watch streams mag NB's owning cyrodill in 1 vs XXX. But that is not the reality.
No nightblade can stand toe to toe with DK's or sorcs. Some of us use cloak to get away and "reset" the fight. Others use gear to make distance and retry and pick people from distance (and yet hordes of people try to chase them and get picked of one by one)
Cloak is for at least magblade in light armor and melee the only means of escaping a failed attempt.
I don't say NB is to weak, but without cloak melee magblade is extinct. And stamblades can cloak mostly 4-5 times (on my Breton stamblade I could). If they are perma invisible for quit some time, that is due to invisibilty potions available to all players who have Alchemy. They last 14-15 seconds.
It's a L2P issue, you forgot something important, the best escape skill in the game : SHADOW IMAGE. With it, you can escape 99% of fight associated with cloak.
Unfadingsilence wrote: »So I did a screen shot of stats in none CP and a CP campaign these are fully buffed with continuous attack as well first here is none CP
None CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952805
CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952810
And last let's show the video of me doing cloak I used a few pots and I can if I wanted to perma cloak on my Stam NB I messed up a few times but all in all 50 cloaks yes 50
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/video/34371504
Dalsinthus wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »The thing I hate most about cloak is that it suppresses all DOTs. That is such a stupid crutch get-out-of-jail-free card. Isn't it enough that Cloak makes you invisible, hit harder, and move faster?
I love playing stamblade but that particular feature of cloak is completely over the top.
One morph of cloak used to cleans the dots. It was a nerf when it was changed to mere suppression. Dots are to prevelent in the game to have cloak not work at all when dots are present. Would make it virtually unusable as intended.
Besides, OP is likely incorrect with his assumption of what he saw. Stamblades cannot cloak for long since they lack the max magicka and magicka regen. It was likely a potion used, and maybe cloak a time or two along with it.
No to be clear I don't think DOTs should break cloak, but the damage should continue IMO.
That's an interesting idea and it could work, but I think you'd have to give nbs some access to major mending or they would just melt. It's already the squishiest class.
Properly built stamblades aren't squishy at all. You know that Shadowy Disguise > Rally is already a full-health heal right?
don't want to be that guy, but rally is a HoT, right?
Rally itself is a HOT, but when it ends (by reapplying) it burst heals. So rally, cloak, wait 5 seconds, rally, heal
Unfadingsilence wrote: »So I did a screen shot of stats in none CP and a CP campaign these are fully buffed with continuous attack as well first here is none CP
None CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952805
CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952810
And last let's show the video of me doing cloak I used a few pots and I can if I wanted to perma cloak on my Stam NB I messed up a few times but all in all 50 cloaks yes 50
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/video/34371504
thankyourat wrote: »Knootewoot wrote: »If my magblade could not cloak many times he would never survive anything. Less protection then stamblades and less burst and still as a melee maglbade I have to come up close and try to get the upperhand. If it fails I have 2 options:
-die
-try to cloak away
The first one works always
The second option fails a lot because I get caltrops thrown over me, I get rooted in place, people drink detection potions and I think I am cloaked but still get beaten, or I get marked by another NB, people spam flare etc.
It might be a l2p issue on my side if people watch streams mag NB's owning cyrodill in 1 vs XXX. But that is not the reality.
No nightblade can stand toe to toe with DK's or sorcs. Some of us use cloak to get away and "reset" the fight. Others use gear to make distance and retry and pick people from distance (and yet hordes of people try to chase them and get picked of one by one)
Cloak is for at least magblade in light armor and melee the only means of escaping a failed attempt.
I don't say NB is to weak, but without cloak melee magblade is extinct. And stamblades can cloak mostly 4-5 times (on my Breton stamblade I could). If they are perma invisible for quit some time, that is due to invisibilty potions available to all players who have Alchemy. They last 14-15 seconds.
It's a L2P issue, you forgot something important, the best escape skill in the game : SHADOW IMAGE. With it, you can escape 99% of fight associated with cloak.
That's only if you hide the shadow image behind line of sight and you are not snared. If your opponent knows how to play and you are snared its going to be impossible to escape. Magblade is all about positioning so if they are snared they will have a hard time doing anything including escaping fights.Unfadingsilence wrote: »So I did a screen shot of stats in none CP and a CP campaign these are fully buffed with continuous attack as well first here is none CP
None CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952805
CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952810
And last let's show the video of me doing cloak I used a few pots and I can if I wanted to perma cloak on my Stam NB I messed up a few times but all in all 50 cloaks yes 50
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/video/34371504
That's out of combat cloaks though once in combat you will not be able to cloak as much. You also have to sacrifice alot of health making you vunerable to being one shot off you are pinned down with a cc followed by a high damaging ability. So your build seems pretty balanced
Unfadingsilence wrote: »So I did a screen shot of stats in none CP and a CP campaign these are fully buffed with continuous attack as well first here is none CP
None CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952805
CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952810
And last let's show the video of me doing cloak I used a few pots and I can if I wanted to perma cloak on my Stam NB I messed up a few times but all in all 50 cloaks yes 50
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/video/34371504
Knootewoot wrote: »If my magblade could not cloak many times he would never survive anything. Less protection then stamblades and less burst and still as a melee maglbade I have to come up close and try to get the upperhand. If it fails I have 2 options:
-die
-try to cloak away
The first one works always
The second option fails a lot because I get caltrops thrown over me, I get rooted in place, people drink detection potions and I think I am cloaked but still get beaten, or I get marked by another NB, people spam flare etc.
It might be a l2p issue on my side if people watch streams mag NB's owning cyrodill in 1 vs XXX. But that is not the reality.
No nightblade can stand toe to toe with DK's or sorcs. Some of us use cloak to get away and "reset" the fight. Others use gear to make distance and retry and pick people from distance (and yet hordes of people try to chase them and get picked of one by one)
Cloak is for at least magblade in light armor and melee the only means of escaping a failed attempt.
I don't say NB is to weak, but without cloak melee magblade is extinct. And stamblades can cloak mostly 4-5 times (on my Breton stamblade I could). If they are perma invisible for quit some time, that is due to invisibilty potions available to all players who have Alchemy. They last 14-15 seconds.
It's a L2P issue, you forgot something important, the best escape skill in the game : SHADOW IMAGE. With it, you can escape 99% of fight associated with cloak.
deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »ArgonianAustin wrote: »Unfadingsilence wrote: »So I did a screen shot of stats in none CP and a CP campaign these are fully buffed with continuous attack as well first here is none CP
None CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952805
CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952810
And last let's show the video of me doing cloak I used a few pots and I can if I wanted to perma cloak on my Stam NB I messed up a few times but all in all 50 cloaks yes 50
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/video/34371504
I can cloak longer than you. Since I'm an argonian thats even more magicka if I drink a potion.
So what's your build?
I'm sorry but that setup is your health is way to low same with your stam.1 Incap Selene combo and your dead with that build.Your build is reliant on dodge roll and cloaking but if you fight someone with a brain and no how to counter cloak your screwed and can't heal.You have a lot of stam recovery so you can dodge roll alot even then there a lot of abilities that goes to dodge roll.Unfadingsilence wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »Knootewoot wrote: »If my magblade could not cloak many times he would never survive anything. Less protection then stamblades and less burst and still as a melee maglbade I have to come up close and try to get the upperhand. If it fails I have 2 options:
-die
-try to cloak away
The first one works always
The second option fails a lot because I get caltrops thrown over me, I get rooted in place, people drink detection potions and I think I am cloaked but still get beaten, or I get marked by another NB, people spam flare etc.
It might be a l2p issue on my side if people watch streams mag NB's owning cyrodill in 1 vs XXX. But that is not the reality.
No nightblade can stand toe to toe with DK's or sorcs. Some of us use cloak to get away and "reset" the fight. Others use gear to make distance and retry and pick people from distance (and yet hordes of people try to chase them and get picked of one by one)
Cloak is for at least magblade in light armor and melee the only means of escaping a failed attempt.
I don't say NB is to weak, but without cloak melee magblade is extinct. And stamblades can cloak mostly 4-5 times (on my Breton stamblade I could). If they are perma invisible for quit some time, that is due to invisibilty potions available to all players who have Alchemy. They last 14-15 seconds.
It's a L2P issue, you forgot something important, the best escape skill in the game : SHADOW IMAGE. With it, you can escape 99% of fight associated with cloak.
That's only if you hide the shadow image behind line of sight and you are not snared. If your opponent knows how to play and you are snared its going to be impossible to escape. Magblade is all about positioning so if they are snared they will have a hard time doing anything including escaping fights.Unfadingsilence wrote: »So I did a screen shot of stats in none CP and a CP campaign these are fully buffed with continuous attack as well first here is none CP
None CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952805
CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952810
And last let's show the video of me doing cloak I used a few pots and I can if I wanted to perma cloak on my Stam NB I messed up a few times but all in all 50 cloaks yes 50
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/video/34371504
That's out of combat cloaks though once in combat you will not be able to cloak as much. You also have to sacrifice alot of health making you vunerable to being one shot off you are pinned down with a cc followed by a high damaging ability. So your build seems pretty balanced
So far with this set up I have yet to be 1 shot and in combat my cloak is around 15 or so with a pot
NB just dodges too much attacks imo, the way dodge should work is they can dodge just one attack, not a buff on playe rthat last x amount of time
also cloack should cost more and more the faster u use it, PERIOD ( like streak)
NB simply cant have insane survability and damage at same time
datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »Stealth in PvP is lame in any MMO. It shouldn't basically be a get out of jail free card. If you pick a fight you should have to see it to its end. Just my opinion.
I'm sorry but that setup is your health is way to low same with your stam.1 Incap Selene combo and your dead with that build.Your build is reliant on dodge roll and cloaking but if you fight someone with a brain and no how to counter cloak your screwed and can't heal.You have a lot of stam recovery so you can dodge roll alot even then there a lot of abilities that goes to dodge roll.Unfadingsilence wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »Knootewoot wrote: »If my magblade could not cloak many times he would never survive anything. Less protection then stamblades and less burst and still as a melee maglbade I have to come up close and try to get the upperhand. If it fails I have 2 options:
-die
-try to cloak away
The first one works always
The second option fails a lot because I get caltrops thrown over me, I get rooted in place, people drink detection potions and I think I am cloaked but still get beaten, or I get marked by another NB, people spam flare etc.
It might be a l2p issue on my side if people watch streams mag NB's owning cyrodill in 1 vs XXX. But that is not the reality.
No nightblade can stand toe to toe with DK's or sorcs. Some of us use cloak to get away and "reset" the fight. Others use gear to make distance and retry and pick people from distance (and yet hordes of people try to chase them and get picked of one by one)
Cloak is for at least magblade in light armor and melee the only means of escaping a failed attempt.
I don't say NB is to weak, but without cloak melee magblade is extinct. And stamblades can cloak mostly 4-5 times (on my Breton stamblade I could). If they are perma invisible for quit some time, that is due to invisibilty potions available to all players who have Alchemy. They last 14-15 seconds.
It's a L2P issue, you forgot something important, the best escape skill in the game : SHADOW IMAGE. With it, you can escape 99% of fight associated with cloak.
That's only if you hide the shadow image behind line of sight and you are not snared. If your opponent knows how to play and you are snared its going to be impossible to escape. Magblade is all about positioning so if they are snared they will have a hard time doing anything including escaping fights.Unfadingsilence wrote: »So I did a screen shot of stats in none CP and a CP campaign these are fully buffed with continuous attack as well first here is none CP
None CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952805
CP campaign
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/screenshot/6952810
And last let's show the video of me doing cloak I used a few pots and I can if I wanted to perma cloak on my Stam NB I messed up a few times but all in all 50 cloaks yes 50
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/video/34371504
That's out of combat cloaks though once in combat you will not be able to cloak as much. You also have to sacrifice alot of health making you vunerable to being one shot off you are pinned down with a cc followed by a high damaging ability. So your build seems pretty balanced
So far with this set up I have yet to be 1 shot and in combat my cloak is around 15 or so with a pot
datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »Stealth in PvP is lame in any MMO. It shouldn't basically be a get out of jail free card. If you pick a fight you should have to see it to its end. Just my opinion.