Cloaking in PvP

Arkangeloski

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

Steak is not even close to cloak. Steak actually creates distance, at which the sorc can replenish his mag pool. Cloak is so weak against groups, experienced players, and anyone with alchemy potions.

For the love of god. I was fighting a magblade emperor yesterday and can honestly say he was nowhere near as strong as a normal, well played sorc.

Cloak isn't even as strong as mist form.

Mmmm steak... you sir just got me a trip to the super, im grillinn today

Arkangeloski

Nextime u c a nb abusing cloak record it and report it to zenimax... because that is just straight cheatin!!!

KingJ

Gap closer still break cloak.If your a stambuild you can just crit rush and break the NN cloak.

montjie

KingJ wrote: »

Gap closer still break cloak.If your a stambuild you can just crit rush and break the NN cloak.

are we just straight up lying now?
never have i ever broken any1s cloak with stampede/crit rush, invasion, toppling charge, you name it.
It always has been the follow up ability that gets the nb out of cloak being volatile armor, jabs..whatever

im pretty sure the nb doesnt even take the gap close damage..only basing this off of it not showing up on my combat log though

stop lying

KingJ

montjie wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Gap closer still break cloak.If your a stambuild you can just crit rush and break the NN cloak.

are we just straight up lying now?
never have i ever broken any1s cloak with stampede/crit rush, invasion, toppling charge, you name it.
It always has been the follow up ability that gets the nb out of cloak being volatile armor, jabs..whatever

im pretty sure the nb doesnt even take the gap close damage..only basing this off of it not showing up on my combat log though

stop lying

Litterly was just on and ambush and crit rush broke my cloak while fighting a stamblade and stamdk without voltive up.Invasion has also broke my cloak before.

Rianai

Maybe the player used a detect pot (there is no "revealed" warning when somebody does) or mark target (though that should be pretty obvious), but usually gap closer don't break cloak.

coop500

KingJ wrote: »

Fr why the hell are people crying that someone ran away from them you won they ran damn.

Because they are greedy AP hounds.

KingJ

Rianai wrote: »

Maybe the player used a detect pot (there is no "revealed" warning when somebody does) or mark target (though that should be pretty obvious), but usually gap closer don't break cloak.

Gap closer break cloak for me a lot maybe its a Xbox issue. @thankyourat have you had this before?

Wrubius_Coronaria

I can confirm what @KingJ is saying. Gap closer are breaking cloak. (I'm playing on pc and I'm having the same issue)
With the good timing, if you're using cloak just after someone gap close you, you'll be put out of stealth.

But I've noticed something more weird recently. It seems when you're using cloak you remain totally visible. And I'm almost sure I've seen today in pvp, a player in cloak with his faction icon showing his postion. (I've been followed by one player nb more than 15 seconds, duration of detect pot when I was using cloak, and no magelight or skill for detect invisible players) I Need to verify this and try some tests for being sure about that.

Solariken

Shazah wrote: »

I can confirm what @KingJ is saying. Gap closer are breaking cloak. (I'm playing on pc and I'm having the same issue)
With the good timing, if you're using cloak just after someone gap close you, you'll be put out of stealth.

But I've noticed something more weird recently. It seems when you're using cloak you remain totally visible. And I'm almost sure I've seen today in pvp, a player in cloak with his faction icon showing his postion. (I've been followed by one player nb more than 15 seconds, duration of detect pot when I was using cloak, and no magelight or skill for detect invisible players) I Need to verify this and try some tests for being sure about that.

If any ally uses a detect potion and you are in range of them, you also receive the detection buff. I don't know the specifics of your circumstances but it could explain some of what you are describing @Shazah

Wrubius_Coronaria

Solariken wrote: »

Shazah wrote: »

I can confirm what @KingJ is saying. Gap closer are breaking cloak. (I'm playing on pc and I'm having the same issue)
With the good timing, if you're using cloak just after someone gap close you, you'll be put out of stealth.

But I've noticed something more weird recently. It seems when you're using cloak you remain totally visible. And I'm almost sure I've seen today in pvp, a player in cloak with his faction icon showing his postion. (I've been followed by one player nb more than 15 seconds, duration of detect pot when I was using cloak, and no magelight or skill for detect invisible players) I Need to verify this and try some tests for being sure about that.

If any ally uses a detect potion and you are in range of them, you also receive the detection buff. I don't know the specifics of your circumstances but it could explain some of what you are describing @Shazah

The nb in question was alone.

thankyourat

KingJ wrote: »

Rianai wrote: »

Maybe the player used a detect pot (there is no "revealed" warning when somebody does) or mark target (though that should be pretty obvious), but usually gap closer don't break cloak.

Gap closer break cloak for me a lot maybe its a Xbox issue. @thankyourat have you had this before?

Ambush breaks my cloak all the time as well as light attacks from bow and staffs, and entrophy. I think that ambush is only breaking cloak when it's laggy but it's hard to tell

Zordrage

Charging abilities does NOT break cloak there was MANY time on my Stam DK i charged an NB just before he gone in cloak... you know what it says ?

miss.... freaken miss... then i can use whatever ability i want near him and it ALL just says MISS until he comes out of cloak.....

miss miss miss... i was literaly following an NB for some times like this following the misses.... lol the others only see me running around wildy swinging my greatsword and spaming aoes.....

missmissmissmiss....

sly007

KingJ wrote: »

Grumble_and_Grunt wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Fr why the hell are people crying that someone ran away from them you won they ran damn.

Who says Cloak is only used to run away? From a zerg, sure. Usually Cloak is used to maintain a constant upper hand and/or completely negate or recover from an enemy burst attempt.

My post didnt mention a zerg at all.I said why people cryingbecause someone ran away from them.If you are being chased by a zerg cloak will help you escape sometimes but a zerg will still find you they have access to cloak counters.In a 1v1 fight you use cloak as a main heal after being bursted by a more tanky class pretty much the only way we can heal.You also use it to repostion.Same when 1Vx you use to so you can actually heal when fighting outnumbered.

I assume most people's problem is the in and out playstyle NBs are playing with at the moment with proc sets, once that's been addressed and a NB realises he has to do more than cloak and ambush incap rinse and repeat there will be less threads like these and more Buff NBs they are grossly underpowered threads again by the many pugs of Cyrodiil.

Yes but people main issue with Nb is proc sets not NB but proc sets.Without proc sets NB is a weak class magic and stam in PVP.If you counter a NB cloak or it just bugs out you will kill a stamblade since he can't heal.Nb is still the only class where you pretty much have to be better than your enemy to have a chance to beat them.Nb a good class but when they nerf proc sets people will see where Nb really stand in pvp.

Without procs nb is a weak class. This is funny.

KingJ

sly007 wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Grumble_and_Grunt wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Fr why the hell are people crying that someone ran away from them you won they ran damn.

Who says Cloak is only used to run away? From a zerg, sure. Usually Cloak is used to maintain a constant upper hand and/or completely negate or recover from an enemy burst attempt.

My post didnt mention a zerg at all.I said why people cryingbecause someone ran away from them.If you are being chased by a zerg cloak will help you escape sometimes but a zerg will still find you they have access to cloak counters.In a 1v1 fight you use cloak as a main heal after being bursted by a more tanky class pretty much the only way we can heal.You also use it to repostion.Same when 1Vx you use to so you can actually heal when fighting outnumbered.

I assume most people's problem is the in and out playstyle NBs are playing with at the moment with proc sets, once that's been addressed and a NB realises he has to do more than cloak and ambush incap rinse and repeat there will be less threads like these and more Buff NBs they are grossly underpowered threads again by the many pugs of Cyrodiil.

Yes but people main issue with Nb is proc sets not NB but proc sets.Without proc sets NB is a weak class magic and stam in PVP.If you counter a NB cloak or it just bugs out you will kill a stamblade since he can't heal.Nb is still the only class where you pretty much have to be better than your enemy to have a chance to beat them.Nb a good class but when they nerf proc sets people will see where Nb really stand in pvp.

Without procs nb is a weak class. This is funny.

Without proc sets all NB have is Incap.Worst healing out of the 4 stam classes,Lowest survivability,Bugs out.Worst 1v1 class and bring nothing to a small scale group another stam class couldn't bring and do better.Cloak still bugs out on us.
Even with people argue with incap my Leap hit just as hard Dawnbreaker hits just as hard even crescent sweeps hit just as hard and cost 5 more ultimate.Difference between all those and Incap,Incap is single target and dodgeable all of those abilities are AOE and can deal the same amount of Damage to multiple people.What does Nb have that put it over the other stam classes?

Dorrino

As it's been discussed multiple times already it would be awesome if cloak had stacking cost increase IF AND ONLY IF no damage would be able to break the cloak.

In its current state this suggestion is not feasible.

Solariken

Dorrino wrote: »

As it's been discussed multiple times already it would be awesome if cloak had stacking cost increase IF AND ONLY IF no damage would be able to break the cloak.

In its current state this suggestion is not feasible.

If the cloak can't be broken then how would the NB ever suffer from a scaling cost increase? It would have to be a long timer, like 6s+ for that to have any impact whatsoever.

Dorrino

Solariken wrote: »

Dorrino wrote: »

As it's been discussed multiple times already it would be awesome if cloak had stacking cost increase IF AND ONLY IF no damage would be able to break the cloak.

In its current state this suggestion is not feasible.

If the cloak can't be broken then how would the NB ever suffer from a scaling cost increase? It would have to be a long timer, like 6s+ for that to have any impact whatsoever.

Yep.

The idea is to limit the number of cloaks in, say 6-8sec window.

Cloak is very strong if it works. And cloak is the worst skill in the game if it doesn't.

Since detect pots/mark/flare/poisons/magelight counter the cloak quite hard, breaking it from random damage feels redundant.

revonine

Detect pot + Soul Assault. GG most average/below average/crap nightblades wearing medium armor. Of which they're is a TONNE right now thanks to procs. Congrats you've either just killed them outright or drained them of the entirety of their stamina pool (good as dead).

For the above average: seriously though if a nightblade manages to use a shade to fool their opponent and evade their attempts to de-cloak him using detect pots etc then said opponent got outplayed. Xv1 even more so.

ak_pvp

If you think "hurr durr detect pot."

Then you are a class A idiot. Have fun fighting the NB for the rest of the cooldown. Especially when they can spam cloak even after being revealed/hit by a direct attack. Simple fix is a spotted cooldown, where you have to avoid direct attacks/roots for 1 second before cloaking. i.e. dodgeroll or disengage then cloak.

deepseamk20b14_ESO

This is umpteenth thread about this. It's been decided over the last 3 years cloak does not need to have cost increase. It's already been nerfed once (twice if you consider no longer being able to cast vigor while cloaked a nerf and I do) The amount of AoE in this game available to all classes and pots directly used to see hidden or cloaked players makes another nerf to cloak ridiculous.

Whoever compares this to streak cost must have not been around since the start. I remember when streak had no increase in cost and people streak across the map no problem. It was way easier to run away than cloak ever was. Even with today's increased cost I see sorcs doing the same thing, just adding in some LoSing so they can stop for 4 seconds and recoupe magicka. A sorc also has other things in its arsenal to make them extremely formidable without streak. Cloak is an NB's one trick pony. Look at the NB meta... proc set gankers. That's because that's all they are really good for (for most players). Not my kind of thing but I can see the allure of it.

During a fight cloak matters very little. I'll agree during an escape there is a good chance they will live. However, at least you aren't dead. A bad NB will attack, fail, and run. That's a player problem not a game skill problem.

TimeDazzler

How else are nightblades supposed to be tanky? Medium armor is complete trash compared to heavy and light so playing a nightblade is about going in and out using stealth/shadow image. Both of which have very obvious counter play especially if you are running in a "small" group as you've mentioned. So many L2P issues appearing on the forums recently and it's depressing.

Gothren

I honestly laugh when people say detect pots don't work and/or is not useful against cloak. If you think this way then I question your skill level in pvp.

Hurika

My experience isn't so much that gap closers break cloak as much as they still fire and put the enemy 6 inches from you facing right at you. Consider the time their gap closer takes and you have < 1s of cloak left with an enemy right on top of you that will almost guarantee you are then detected.

Either way, it's item 4,987 on the list of things that break cloak.

ak_pvp wrote: »

If you think "hurr durr detect pot."

Then you are a class A idiot. Have fun fighting the NB for the rest of the cooldown. Especially when they can spam cloak even after being revealed/hit by a direct attack. Simple fix is a spotted cooldown, where you have to avoid direct attacks/roots for 1 second before cloaking. i.e. dodgeroll or disengage then cloak.

Cool - can we get the same added to BoL, blocking and Shields which are also spammable? Also don't forget to add pots that completely negate heals, block and shields for 20s. I mean if pots are so useless I"m sure you wouldn't mind.... Let's not just nerf the main defense for 1 class afterall. Let's screw them all in the "name of balance".

Or people could get a clue about how to break stealth/cloak. Maybe go ask some good players how they deal with it.

Unfadingsilence

CavalryPK wrote: »

gaimers wrote: »

Using cloak and playing sneaky is part of being a nightblade, I know, and also it provides the class something unique.

However, lately I experienced fights, that have shown me, how annoying it can be to fight someone using cloak.

I am not really pointing at a magicka build right now, since they can sustain permanent cloaking. (Sadly )

But I want to talk about stamina builds. We all know cloak is an important part of stamblade builds. Crit heals, avoiding damage while waiting for dodge roll cost reset etc etc.

However very few skills, that SOLO/SMALLSCALE PvPers can get away with using , can detect cloaking players. Do keep in mind I'm not talking about someone, who sees 2-3 people riding on a horse, and goes into cloak to avoid a disadvantageous situation. The matter I'm talking about is engaging and disengaging combat.

I mostly play stam DK, group mostly consists of 2DKs, stamina and magicka. I do run volatile armor, which can break cloak. Magicka DK does use talons and volatile a. However the fact, that when we focus a stamblade who uses cloak after his health got down to ~10% AND ESCAPES WITHOUT EVER POPPING OUT OF STEALTH AGAIN, makes nightblade a really annoying class to fight against.

Stamina nightblades being able to cloak 4-5 times without a potion, USING A BUILD THAT IS VIABLE AND STILL DOES GOOD DAMAGE is an absolute no-go for me.

Cloak should get reworked like streak, making it cost more and more if cast more than once in a certain amount of time. No other class has the luxury, to get in and out of combat so quickly and being able to disappear in front of people.

Streak is a good example imo, it is used by both stamina and magicka sorcerer builds, magicka sorc still can afford to use it 4-5 times without draining his resources too much. Stamina can use it just enough to get behind line of sight etc.

Cloak should work the same way in my opinion.

What do others think about this?

P.S. the fact that half of the people we see in cyro are nightblades makes this even more annoying

I mostly agree with you . Please can you share a build (or tell me the name of a person) of a stamblade that can cloak 4-5 times with out using potion? I need this for reasons.

I can cloak 15 times yes 15 times with a pot on my Stam NB i run maelstrom 2h "with poisons" master bow 5 sheer venom and 5 senche my stam recovery is over 3k and magic is 1800 over 30k max stam and so much damage with sheer venom and the poisons on the 2h

joe.smith21b14_ESO

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

CavalryPK wrote: »

gaimers wrote: »

Using cloak and playing sneaky is part of being a nightblade, I know, and also it provides the class something unique.

However, lately I experienced fights, that have shown me, how annoying it can be to fight someone using cloak.

I am not really pointing at a magicka build right now, since they can sustain permanent cloaking. (Sadly )

But I want to talk about stamina builds. We all know cloak is an important part of stamblade builds. Crit heals, avoiding damage while waiting for dodge roll cost reset etc etc.

However very few skills, that SOLO/SMALLSCALE PvPers can get away with using , can detect cloaking players. Do keep in mind I'm not talking about someone, who sees 2-3 people riding on a horse, and goes into cloak to avoid a disadvantageous situation. The matter I'm talking about is engaging and disengaging combat.

I mostly play stam DK, group mostly consists of 2DKs, stamina and magicka. I do run volatile armor, which can break cloak. Magicka DK does use talons and volatile a. However the fact, that when we focus a stamblade who uses cloak after his health got down to ~10% AND ESCAPES WITHOUT EVER POPPING OUT OF STEALTH AGAIN, makes nightblade a really annoying class to fight against.

Stamina nightblades being able to cloak 4-5 times without a potion, USING A BUILD THAT IS VIABLE AND STILL DOES GOOD DAMAGE is an absolute no-go for me.

Cloak should get reworked like streak, making it cost more and more if cast more than once in a certain amount of time. No other class has the luxury, to get in and out of combat so quickly and being able to disappear in front of people.

Streak is a good example imo, it is used by both stamina and magicka sorcerer builds, magicka sorc still can afford to use it 4-5 times without draining his resources too much. Stamina can use it just enough to get behind line of sight etc.

Cloak should work the same way in my opinion.

What do others think about this?

P.S. the fact that half of the people we see in cyro are nightblades makes this even more annoying

I mostly agree with you . Please can you share a build (or tell me the name of a person) of a stamblade that can cloak 4-5 times with out using potion? I need this for reasons.

I can cloak 15 times yes 15 times with a pot on my Stam NB i run maelstrom 2h "with poisons" master bow 5 sheer venom and 5 senche my stam recovery is over 3k and magic is 1800 over 30k max stam and so much damage with sheer venom and the poisons on the 2h

Either this dude is lying or cheating only way to get up to 3k stam recovery with these sets is blue drinks, vamp, serpent stone and rec glyphs. With these sacrifices there's no way you would have the mag rec or weapon damage to go with it. Unless I'm missing something I call bs.

GreenSoup2HoT

joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

CavalryPK wrote: »

gaimers wrote: »

Using cloak and playing sneaky is part of being a nightblade, I know, and also it provides the class something unique.

However, lately I experienced fights, that have shown me, how annoying it can be to fight someone using cloak.

I am not really pointing at a magicka build right now, since they can sustain permanent cloaking. (Sadly )

But I want to talk about stamina builds. We all know cloak is an important part of stamblade builds. Crit heals, avoiding damage while waiting for dodge roll cost reset etc etc.

However very few skills, that SOLO/SMALLSCALE PvPers can get away with using , can detect cloaking players. Do keep in mind I'm not talking about someone, who sees 2-3 people riding on a horse, and goes into cloak to avoid a disadvantageous situation. The matter I'm talking about is engaging and disengaging combat.

I mostly play stam DK, group mostly consists of 2DKs, stamina and magicka. I do run volatile armor, which can break cloak. Magicka DK does use talons and volatile a. However the fact, that when we focus a stamblade who uses cloak after his health got down to ~10% AND ESCAPES WITHOUT EVER POPPING OUT OF STEALTH AGAIN, makes nightblade a really annoying class to fight against.

Stamina nightblades being able to cloak 4-5 times without a potion, USING A BUILD THAT IS VIABLE AND STILL DOES GOOD DAMAGE is an absolute no-go for me.

Cloak should get reworked like streak, making it cost more and more if cast more than once in a certain amount of time. No other class has the luxury, to get in and out of combat so quickly and being able to disappear in front of people.

Streak is a good example imo, it is used by both stamina and magicka sorcerer builds, magicka sorc still can afford to use it 4-5 times without draining his resources too much. Stamina can use it just enough to get behind line of sight etc.

Cloak should work the same way in my opinion.

What do others think about this?

P.S. the fact that half of the people we see in cyro are nightblades makes this even more annoying

I mostly agree with you . Please can you share a build (or tell me the name of a person) of a stamblade that can cloak 4-5 times with out using potion? I need this for reasons.

I can cloak 15 times yes 15 times with a pot on my Stam NB i run maelstrom 2h "with poisons" master bow 5 sheer venom and 5 senche my stam recovery is over 3k and magic is 1800 over 30k max stam and so much damage with sheer venom and the poisons on the 2h

Either this dude is lying or cheating only way to get up to 3k stam recovery with these sets is blue drinks, vamp, serpent stone and rec glyphs. With these sacrifices there's no way you would have the mag rec or weapon damage to go with it. Unless I'm missing something I call bs.

Hes probably talking about 15 after cooldown cloaks. Like waiting out the duration. You can hit like 1400 mag recovery easy with just blue duel drinks, vamp and some cp. I can basically perma-cloak (after duration). Throw in a mag pot and bam 15 cloaks.

No way hes talking about spamming cloak.

Also id bet hes talking about with continous attack active while being woodelf.

Unfadingsilence

joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

CavalryPK wrote: »

gaimers wrote: »

Using cloak and playing sneaky is part of being a nightblade, I know, and also it provides the class something unique.

However, lately I experienced fights, that have shown me, how annoying it can be to fight someone using cloak.

I am not really pointing at a magicka build right now, since they can sustain permanent cloaking. (Sadly )

But I want to talk about stamina builds. We all know cloak is an important part of stamblade builds. Crit heals, avoiding damage while waiting for dodge roll cost reset etc etc.

However very few skills, that SOLO/SMALLSCALE PvPers can get away with using , can detect cloaking players. Do keep in mind I'm not talking about someone, who sees 2-3 people riding on a horse, and goes into cloak to avoid a disadvantageous situation. The matter I'm talking about is engaging and disengaging combat.

I mostly play stam DK, group mostly consists of 2DKs, stamina and magicka. I do run volatile armor, which can break cloak. Magicka DK does use talons and volatile a. However the fact, that when we focus a stamblade who uses cloak after his health got down to ~10% AND ESCAPES WITHOUT EVER POPPING OUT OF STEALTH AGAIN, makes nightblade a really annoying class to fight against.

Stamina nightblades being able to cloak 4-5 times without a potion, USING A BUILD THAT IS VIABLE AND STILL DOES GOOD DAMAGE is an absolute no-go for me.

Cloak should get reworked like streak, making it cost more and more if cast more than once in a certain amount of time. No other class has the luxury, to get in and out of combat so quickly and being able to disappear in front of people.

Streak is a good example imo, it is used by both stamina and magicka sorcerer builds, magicka sorc still can afford to use it 4-5 times without draining his resources too much. Stamina can use it just enough to get behind line of sight etc.

Cloak should work the same way in my opinion.

What do others think about this?

P.S. the fact that half of the people we see in cyro are nightblades makes this even more annoying

I mostly agree with you . Please can you share a build (or tell me the name of a person) of a stamblade that can cloak 4-5 times with out using potion? I need this for reasons.

I can cloak 15 times yes 15 times with a pot on my Stam NB i run maelstrom 2h "with poisons" master bow 5 sheer venom and 5 senche my stam recovery is over 3k and magic is 1800 over 30k max stam and so much damage with sheer venom and the poisons on the 2h

Either this dude is lying or cheating only way to get up to 3k stam recovery with these sets is blue drinks, vamp, serpent stone and rec glyphs. With these sacrifices there's no way you would have the mag rec or weapon damage to go with it. Unless I'm missing something I call bs.

Do you even know what the sets do? And yep I'm a vamp and run blue drink and I hit 4k weapon damage as well

Unfadingsilence

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

CavalryPK wrote: »

gaimers wrote: »

Using cloak and playing sneaky is part of being a nightblade, I know, and also it provides the class something unique.

However, lately I experienced fights, that have shown me, how annoying it can be to fight someone using cloak.

I am not really pointing at a magicka build right now, since they can sustain permanent cloaking. (Sadly )

But I want to talk about stamina builds. We all know cloak is an important part of stamblade builds. Crit heals, avoiding damage while waiting for dodge roll cost reset etc etc.

However very few skills, that SOLO/SMALLSCALE PvPers can get away with using , can detect cloaking players. Do keep in mind I'm not talking about someone, who sees 2-3 people riding on a horse, and goes into cloak to avoid a disadvantageous situation. The matter I'm talking about is engaging and disengaging combat.

I mostly play stam DK, group mostly consists of 2DKs, stamina and magicka. I do run volatile armor, which can break cloak. Magicka DK does use talons and volatile a. However the fact, that when we focus a stamblade who uses cloak after his health got down to ~10% AND ESCAPES WITHOUT EVER POPPING OUT OF STEALTH AGAIN, makes nightblade a really annoying class to fight against.

Stamina nightblades being able to cloak 4-5 times without a potion, USING A BUILD THAT IS VIABLE AND STILL DOES GOOD DAMAGE is an absolute no-go for me.

Cloak should get reworked like streak, making it cost more and more if cast more than once in a certain amount of time. No other class has the luxury, to get in and out of combat so quickly and being able to disappear in front of people.

Streak is a good example imo, it is used by both stamina and magicka sorcerer builds, magicka sorc still can afford to use it 4-5 times without draining his resources too much. Stamina can use it just enough to get behind line of sight etc.

Cloak should work the same way in my opinion.

What do others think about this?

P.S. the fact that half of the people we see in cyro are nightblades makes this even more annoying

I mostly agree with you . Please can you share a build (or tell me the name of a person) of a stamblade that can cloak 4-5 times with out using potion? I need this for reasons.

I can cloak 15 times yes 15 times with a pot on my Stam NB i run maelstrom 2h "with poisons" master bow 5 sheer venom and 5 senche my stam recovery is over 3k and magic is 1800 over 30k max stam and so much damage with sheer venom and the poisons on the 2h

Either this dude is lying or cheating only way to get up to 3k stam recovery with these sets is blue drinks, vamp, serpent stone and rec glyphs. With these sacrifices there's no way you would have the mag rec or weapon damage to go with it. Unless I'm missing something I call bs.

Hes probably talking about 15 after cooldown cloaks. Like waiting out the duration. You can hit like 1400 mag recovery easy with just blue duel drinks, vamp and some cp. I can basically perma-cloak (after duration). Throw in a mag pot and bam 15 cloaks.

No way hes talking about spamming cloak.

Also id bet hes talking about with continous attack active while being woodelf.

Yep not talking about spamming cloak that's just dumb do the full 2secs

Unfadingsilence

I can cloak 15 times yes 15 times with a pot on my Stam NB i run maelstrom 2h "with poisons" master bow 5 sheer venom and 5 senche my stam recovery is over 3k and magic is 1800 over 30k max stam and so much damage with sheer venom and the poisons on the 2h BTW to fill in some blanks 4k weapon damage fully buffed I'm a woodelf I run blue drink all weapon damage enchantments on my rings and neck if I pop a pot I'm over 3k recovery if I had continuous attack and use a pot I believe I'm someone around 3500-3700 Stam recovery after work I'll post a video of my fully buffed stats and gear