NeillMcAttack wrote: »Steak is not even close to cloak. Steak actually creates distance, at which the sorc can replenish his mag pool. Cloak is so weak against groups, experienced players, and anyone with alchemy potions.
For the love of god. I was fighting a magblade emperor yesterday and can honestly say he was nowhere near as strong as a normal, well played sorc.
Cloak isn't even as strong as mist form.
Gap closer still break cloak.If your a stambuild you can just crit rush and break the NN cloak.
Litterly was just on and ambush and crit rush broke my cloak while fighting a stamblade and stamdk without voltive up.Invasion has also broke my cloak before.Gap closer still break cloak.If your a stambuild you can just crit rush and break the NN cloak.
are we just straight up lying now?
never have i ever broken any1s cloak with stampede/crit rush, invasion, toppling charge, you name it.
It always has been the follow up ability that gets the nb out of cloak being volatile armor, jabs..whatever
im pretty sure the nb doesnt even take the gap close damage..only basing this off of it not showing up on my combat log though
stop lying
Gap closer break cloak for me a lot maybe its a Xbox issue. @thankyourat have you had this before?Maybe the player used a detect pot (there is no "revealed" warning when somebody does) or mark target (though that should be pretty obvious), but usually gap closer don't break cloak.
I can confirm what @KingJ is saying. Gap closer are breaking cloak. (I'm playing on pc and I'm having the same issue)
With the good timing, if you're using cloak just after someone gap close you, you'll be put out of stealth.
But I've noticed something more weird recently. It seems when you're using cloak you remain totally visible. And I'm almost sure I've seen today in pvp, a player in cloak with his faction icon showing his postion. (I've been followed by one player nb more than 15 seconds, duration of detect pot when I was using cloak, and no magelight or skill for detect invisible players) I Need to verify this and try some tests for being sure about that.
I can confirm what @KingJ is saying. Gap closer are breaking cloak. (I'm playing on pc and I'm having the same issue)
With the good timing, if you're using cloak just after someone gap close you, you'll be put out of stealth.
But I've noticed something more weird recently. It seems when you're using cloak you remain totally visible. And I'm almost sure I've seen today in pvp, a player in cloak with his faction icon showing his postion. (I've been followed by one player nb more than 15 seconds, duration of detect pot when I was using cloak, and no magelight or skill for detect invisible players) I Need to verify this and try some tests for being sure about that.
If any ally uses a detect potion and you are in range of them, you also receive the detection buff. I don't know the specifics of your circumstances but it could explain some of what you are describing @Shazah
Gap closer break cloak for me a lot maybe its a Xbox issue. @thankyourat have you had this before?Maybe the player used a detect pot (there is no "revealed" warning when somebody does) or mark target (though that should be pretty obvious), but usually gap closer don't break cloak.
Yes but people main issue with Nb is proc sets not NB but proc sets.Without proc sets NB is a weak class magic and stam in PVP.If you counter a NB cloak or it just bugs out you will kill a stamblade since he can't heal.Nb is still the only class where you pretty much have to be better than your enemy to have a chance to beat them.Nb a good class but when they nerf proc sets people will see where Nb really stand in pvp.Grumble_and_Grunt wrote: »My post didnt mention a zerg at all.I said why people cryingbecause someone ran away from them.If you are being chased by a zerg cloak will help you escape sometimes but a zerg will still find you they have access to cloak counters.In a 1v1 fight you use cloak as a main heal after being bursted by a more tanky class pretty much the only way we can heal.You also use it to repostion.Same when 1Vx you use to so you can actually heal when fighting outnumbered.
I assume most people's problem is the in and out playstyle NBs are playing with at the moment with proc sets, once that's been addressed and a NB realises he has to do more than cloak and ambush incap rinse and repeat there will be less threads like these and more Buff NBs they are grossly underpowered threads again by the many pugs of Cyrodiil.
Without proc sets all NB have is Incap.Worst healing out of the 4 stam classes,Lowest survivability,Bugs out.Worst 1v1 class and bring nothing to a small scale group another stam class couldn't bring and do better.Cloak still bugs out on us.Yes but people main issue with Nb is proc sets not NB but proc sets.Without proc sets NB is a weak class magic and stam in PVP.If you counter a NB cloak or it just bugs out you will kill a stamblade since he can't heal.Nb is still the only class where you pretty much have to be better than your enemy to have a chance to beat them.Nb a good class but when they nerf proc sets people will see where Nb really stand in pvp.Grumble_and_Grunt wrote: »My post didnt mention a zerg at all.I said why people cryingbecause someone ran away from them.If you are being chased by a zerg cloak will help you escape sometimes but a zerg will still find you they have access to cloak counters.In a 1v1 fight you use cloak as a main heal after being bursted by a more tanky class pretty much the only way we can heal.You also use it to repostion.Same when 1Vx you use to so you can actually heal when fighting outnumbered.
I assume most people's problem is the in and out playstyle NBs are playing with at the moment with proc sets, once that's been addressed and a NB realises he has to do more than cloak and ambush incap rinse and repeat there will be less threads like these and more Buff NBs they are grossly underpowered threads again by the many pugs of Cyrodiil.
Without procs nb is a weak class. This is funny.
As it's been discussed multiple times already it would be awesome if cloak had stacking cost increase IF AND ONLY IF no damage would be able to break the cloak.
In its current state this suggestion is not feasible.
As it's been discussed multiple times already it would be awesome if cloak had stacking cost increase IF AND ONLY IF no damage would be able to break the cloak.
In its current state this suggestion is not feasible.
If the cloak can't be broken then how would the NB ever suffer from a scaling cost increase? It would have to be a long timer, like 6s+ for that to have any impact whatsoever.
If you think "hurr durr detect pot."
Then you are a class A idiot. Have fun fighting the NB for the rest of the cooldown. Especially when they can spam cloak even after being revealed/hit by a direct attack. Simple fix is a spotted cooldown, where you have to avoid direct attacks/roots for 1 second before cloaking. i.e. dodgeroll or disengage then cloak.
Using cloak and playing sneaky is part of being a nightblade, I know, and also it provides the class something unique.
However, lately I experienced fights, that have shown me, how annoying it can be to fight someone using cloak.
I am not really pointing at a magicka build right now, since they can sustain permanent cloaking. (Sadly)
But I want to talk about stamina builds. We all know cloak is an important part of stamblade builds. Crit heals, avoiding damage while waiting for dodge roll cost reset etc etc.
However very few skills, that SOLO/SMALLSCALE PvPers can get away with using , can detect cloaking players. Do keep in mind I'm not talking about someone, who sees 2-3 people riding on a horse, and goes into cloak to avoid a disadvantageous situation. The matter I'm talking about is engaging and disengaging combat.
I mostly play stam DK, group mostly consists of 2DKs, stamina and magicka. I do run volatile armor, which can break cloak. Magicka DK does use talons and volatile a. However the fact, that when we focus a stamblade who uses cloak after his health got down to ~10% AND ESCAPES WITHOUT EVER POPPING OUT OF STEALTH AGAIN, makes nightblade a really annoying class to fight against.
Stamina nightblades being able to cloak 4-5 times without a potion, USING A BUILD THAT IS VIABLE AND STILL DOES GOOD DAMAGE is an absolute no-go for me.
Cloak should get reworked like streak, making it cost more and more if cast more than once in a certain amount of time. No other class has the luxury, to get in and out of combat so quickly and being able to disappear in front of people.
Streak is a good example imo, it is used by both stamina and magicka sorcerer builds, magicka sorc still can afford to use it 4-5 times without draining his resources too much. Stamina can use it just enough to get behind line of sight etc.
Cloak should work the same way in my opinion.
What do others think about this?
P.S. the fact that half of the people we see in cyro are nightblades makes this even more annoying
I mostly agree with you . Please can you share a build (or tell me the name of a person) of a stamblade that can cloak 4-5 times with out using potion? I need this for reasons.
Unfadingsilence wrote: »Using cloak and playing sneaky is part of being a nightblade, I know, and also it provides the class something unique.
However, lately I experienced fights, that have shown me, how annoying it can be to fight someone using cloak.
I am not really pointing at a magicka build right now, since they can sustain permanent cloaking. (Sadly)
But I want to talk about stamina builds. We all know cloak is an important part of stamblade builds. Crit heals, avoiding damage while waiting for dodge roll cost reset etc etc.
However very few skills, that SOLO/SMALLSCALE PvPers can get away with using , can detect cloaking players. Do keep in mind I'm not talking about someone, who sees 2-3 people riding on a horse, and goes into cloak to avoid a disadvantageous situation. The matter I'm talking about is engaging and disengaging combat.
I mostly play stam DK, group mostly consists of 2DKs, stamina and magicka. I do run volatile armor, which can break cloak. Magicka DK does use talons and volatile a. However the fact, that when we focus a stamblade who uses cloak after his health got down to ~10% AND ESCAPES WITHOUT EVER POPPING OUT OF STEALTH AGAIN, makes nightblade a really annoying class to fight against.
Stamina nightblades being able to cloak 4-5 times without a potion, USING A BUILD THAT IS VIABLE AND STILL DOES GOOD DAMAGE is an absolute no-go for me.
Cloak should get reworked like streak, making it cost more and more if cast more than once in a certain amount of time. No other class has the luxury, to get in and out of combat so quickly and being able to disappear in front of people.
Streak is a good example imo, it is used by both stamina and magicka sorcerer builds, magicka sorc still can afford to use it 4-5 times without draining his resources too much. Stamina can use it just enough to get behind line of sight etc.
Cloak should work the same way in my opinion.
What do others think about this?
P.S. the fact that half of the people we see in cyro are nightblades makes this even more annoying
I mostly agree with you . Please can you share a build (or tell me the name of a person) of a stamblade that can cloak 4-5 times with out using potion? I need this for reasons.
I can cloak 15 times yes 15 times with a pot on my Stam NB i run maelstrom 2h "with poisons" master bow 5 sheer venom and 5 senche my stam recovery is over 3k and magic is 1800 over 30k max stam and so much damage with sheer venom and the poisons on the 2h
joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »Unfadingsilence wrote: »Using cloak and playing sneaky is part of being a nightblade, I know, and also it provides the class something unique.
However, lately I experienced fights, that have shown me, how annoying it can be to fight someone using cloak.
I am not really pointing at a magicka build right now, since they can sustain permanent cloaking. (Sadly)
But I want to talk about stamina builds. We all know cloak is an important part of stamblade builds. Crit heals, avoiding damage while waiting for dodge roll cost reset etc etc.
However very few skills, that SOLO/SMALLSCALE PvPers can get away with using , can detect cloaking players. Do keep in mind I'm not talking about someone, who sees 2-3 people riding on a horse, and goes into cloak to avoid a disadvantageous situation. The matter I'm talking about is engaging and disengaging combat.
I mostly play stam DK, group mostly consists of 2DKs, stamina and magicka. I do run volatile armor, which can break cloak. Magicka DK does use talons and volatile a. However the fact, that when we focus a stamblade who uses cloak after his health got down to ~10% AND ESCAPES WITHOUT EVER POPPING OUT OF STEALTH AGAIN, makes nightblade a really annoying class to fight against.
Stamina nightblades being able to cloak 4-5 times without a potion, USING A BUILD THAT IS VIABLE AND STILL DOES GOOD DAMAGE is an absolute no-go for me.
Cloak should get reworked like streak, making it cost more and more if cast more than once in a certain amount of time. No other class has the luxury, to get in and out of combat so quickly and being able to disappear in front of people.
Streak is a good example imo, it is used by both stamina and magicka sorcerer builds, magicka sorc still can afford to use it 4-5 times without draining his resources too much. Stamina can use it just enough to get behind line of sight etc.
Cloak should work the same way in my opinion.
What do others think about this?
P.S. the fact that half of the people we see in cyro are nightblades makes this even more annoying
I mostly agree with you . Please can you share a build (or tell me the name of a person) of a stamblade that can cloak 4-5 times with out using potion? I need this for reasons.
I can cloak 15 times yes 15 times with a pot on my Stam NB i run maelstrom 2h "with poisons" master bow 5 sheer venom and 5 senche my stam recovery is over 3k and magic is 1800 over 30k max stam and so much damage with sheer venom and the poisons on the 2h
Either this dude is lying or cheating only way to get up to 3k stam recovery with these sets is blue drinks, vamp, serpent stone and rec glyphs. With these sacrifices there's no way you would have the mag rec or weapon damage to go with it. Unless I'm missing something I call bs.
joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »Unfadingsilence wrote: »Using cloak and playing sneaky is part of being a nightblade, I know, and also it provides the class something unique.
However, lately I experienced fights, that have shown me, how annoying it can be to fight someone using cloak.
I am not really pointing at a magicka build right now, since they can sustain permanent cloaking. (Sadly)
But I want to talk about stamina builds. We all know cloak is an important part of stamblade builds. Crit heals, avoiding damage while waiting for dodge roll cost reset etc etc.
However very few skills, that SOLO/SMALLSCALE PvPers can get away with using , can detect cloaking players. Do keep in mind I'm not talking about someone, who sees 2-3 people riding on a horse, and goes into cloak to avoid a disadvantageous situation. The matter I'm talking about is engaging and disengaging combat.
I mostly play stam DK, group mostly consists of 2DKs, stamina and magicka. I do run volatile armor, which can break cloak. Magicka DK does use talons and volatile a. However the fact, that when we focus a stamblade who uses cloak after his health got down to ~10% AND ESCAPES WITHOUT EVER POPPING OUT OF STEALTH AGAIN, makes nightblade a really annoying class to fight against.
Stamina nightblades being able to cloak 4-5 times without a potion, USING A BUILD THAT IS VIABLE AND STILL DOES GOOD DAMAGE is an absolute no-go for me.
Cloak should get reworked like streak, making it cost more and more if cast more than once in a certain amount of time. No other class has the luxury, to get in and out of combat so quickly and being able to disappear in front of people.
Streak is a good example imo, it is used by both stamina and magicka sorcerer builds, magicka sorc still can afford to use it 4-5 times without draining his resources too much. Stamina can use it just enough to get behind line of sight etc.
Cloak should work the same way in my opinion.
What do others think about this?
P.S. the fact that half of the people we see in cyro are nightblades makes this even more annoying
I mostly agree with you . Please can you share a build (or tell me the name of a person) of a stamblade that can cloak 4-5 times with out using potion? I need this for reasons.
I can cloak 15 times yes 15 times with a pot on my Stam NB i run maelstrom 2h "with poisons" master bow 5 sheer venom and 5 senche my stam recovery is over 3k and magic is 1800 over 30k max stam and so much damage with sheer venom and the poisons on the 2h
Either this dude is lying or cheating only way to get up to 3k stam recovery with these sets is blue drinks, vamp, serpent stone and rec glyphs. With these sacrifices there's no way you would have the mag rec or weapon damage to go with it. Unless I'm missing something I call bs.
GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »Unfadingsilence wrote: »Using cloak and playing sneaky is part of being a nightblade, I know, and also it provides the class something unique.
However, lately I experienced fights, that have shown me, how annoying it can be to fight someone using cloak.
I am not really pointing at a magicka build right now, since they can sustain permanent cloaking. (Sadly)
But I want to talk about stamina builds. We all know cloak is an important part of stamblade builds. Crit heals, avoiding damage while waiting for dodge roll cost reset etc etc.
However very few skills, that SOLO/SMALLSCALE PvPers can get away with using , can detect cloaking players. Do keep in mind I'm not talking about someone, who sees 2-3 people riding on a horse, and goes into cloak to avoid a disadvantageous situation. The matter I'm talking about is engaging and disengaging combat.
I mostly play stam DK, group mostly consists of 2DKs, stamina and magicka. I do run volatile armor, which can break cloak. Magicka DK does use talons and volatile a. However the fact, that when we focus a stamblade who uses cloak after his health got down to ~10% AND ESCAPES WITHOUT EVER POPPING OUT OF STEALTH AGAIN, makes nightblade a really annoying class to fight against.
Stamina nightblades being able to cloak 4-5 times without a potion, USING A BUILD THAT IS VIABLE AND STILL DOES GOOD DAMAGE is an absolute no-go for me.
Cloak should get reworked like streak, making it cost more and more if cast more than once in a certain amount of time. No other class has the luxury, to get in and out of combat so quickly and being able to disappear in front of people.
Streak is a good example imo, it is used by both stamina and magicka sorcerer builds, magicka sorc still can afford to use it 4-5 times without draining his resources too much. Stamina can use it just enough to get behind line of sight etc.
Cloak should work the same way in my opinion.
What do others think about this?
P.S. the fact that half of the people we see in cyro are nightblades makes this even more annoying
I mostly agree with you . Please can you share a build (or tell me the name of a person) of a stamblade that can cloak 4-5 times with out using potion? I need this for reasons.
I can cloak 15 times yes 15 times with a pot on my Stam NB i run maelstrom 2h "with poisons" master bow 5 sheer venom and 5 senche my stam recovery is over 3k and magic is 1800 over 30k max stam and so much damage with sheer venom and the poisons on the 2h
Either this dude is lying or cheating only way to get up to 3k stam recovery with these sets is blue drinks, vamp, serpent stone and rec glyphs. With these sacrifices there's no way you would have the mag rec or weapon damage to go with it. Unless I'm missing something I call bs.
Hes probably talking about 15 after cooldown cloaks. Like waiting out the duration. You can hit like 1400 mag recovery easy with just blue duel drinks, vamp and some cp. I can basically perma-cloak (after duration). Throw in a mag pot and bam 15 cloaks.
No way hes talking about spamming cloak.
Also id bet hes talking about with continous attack active while being woodelf.