s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »Cloaking is one of the silliest, most immersion breaking features of this game. I'm standing 5 meters away from you and all of a sudden you crouch down and disappear. Obviously I know that you are still right there, but for some silly reason the game won't let me target you.
Using cloak and playing sneaky is part of being a nightblade, I know, and also it provides the class something unique.
However, lately I experienced fights, that have shown me, how annoying it can be to fight someone using cloak.
I am not really pointing at a magicka build right now, since they can sustain permanent cloaking. (Sadly)
But I want to talk about stamina builds. We all know cloak is an important part of stamblade builds. Crit heals, avoiding damage while waiting for dodge roll cost reset etc etc.
However very few skills, that SOLO/SMALLSCALE PvPers can get away with using , can detect cloaking players. Do keep in mind I'm not talking about someone, who sees 2-3 people riding on a horse, and goes into cloak to avoid a disadvantageous situation. The matter I'm talking about is engaging and disengaging combat.
I mostly play stam DK, group mostly consists of 2DKs, stamina and magicka. I do run volatile armor, which can break cloak. Magicka DK does use talons and volatile a. However the fact, that when we focus a stamblade who uses cloak after his health got down to ~10% AND ESCAPES WITHOUT EVER POPPING OUT OF STEALTH AGAIN, makes nightblade a really annoying class to fight against.
Stamina nightblades being able to cloak 4-5 times without a potion, USING A BUILD THAT IS VIABLE AND STILL DOES GOOD DAMAGE is an absolute no-go for me.
Cloak should get reworked like streak, making it cost more and more if cast more than once in a certain amount of time. No other class has the luxury, to get in and out of combat so quickly and being able to disappear in front of people.
Streak is a good example imo, it is used by both stamina and magicka sorcerer builds, magicka sorc still can afford to use it 4-5 times without draining his resources too much. Stamina can use it just enough to get behind line of sight etc.
Cloak should work the same way in my opinion.
What do others think about this?
P.S. the fact that half of the people we see in cyro are nightblades makes this even more annoying
I mostly agree with you . Please can you share a build (or tell me the name of a person) of a stamblade that can cloak 4-5 times with out using potion? I need this for reasons.
Using cloak and playing sneaky is part of being a nightblade, I know, and also it provides the class something unique.
However, lately I experienced fights, that have shown me, how annoying it can be to fight someone using cloak.
I am not really pointing at a magicka build right now, since they can sustain permanent cloaking. (Sadly)
But I want to talk about stamina builds. We all know cloak is an important part of stamblade builds. Crit heals, avoiding damage while waiting for dodge roll cost reset etc etc.
However very few skills, that SOLO/SMALLSCALE PvPers can get away with using , can detect cloaking players. Do keep in mind I'm not talking about someone, who sees 2-3 people riding on a horse, and goes into cloak to avoid a disadvantageous situation. The matter I'm talking about is engaging and disengaging combat.
I mostly play stam DK, group mostly consists of 2DKs, stamina and magicka. I do run volatile armor, which can break cloak. Magicka DK does use talons and volatile a. However the fact, that when we focus a stamblade who uses cloak after his health got down to ~10% AND ESCAPES WITHOUT EVER POPPING OUT OF STEALTH AGAIN, makes nightblade a really annoying class to fight against.
Stamina nightblades being able to cloak 4-5 times without a potion, USING A BUILD THAT IS VIABLE AND STILL DOES GOOD DAMAGE is an absolute no-go for me.
Cloak should get reworked like streak, making it cost more and more if cast more than once in a certain amount of time. No other class has the luxury, to get in and out of combat so quickly and being able to disappear in front of people.
Streak is a good example imo, it is used by both stamina and magicka sorcerer builds, magicka sorc still can afford to use it 4-5 times without draining his resources too much. Stamina can use it just enough to get behind line of sight etc.
Cloak should work the same way in my opinion.
What do others think about this?
P.S. the fact that half of the people we see in cyro are nightblades makes this even more annoying
So you want to tell me to fight 1v1 vs stam dk with so many buffs that u cant even kill him 1v5 and with 10 k resist vs 30k and so many passives on dk that is just absurd if u wanna go 1v1 with dk... Let me just stand there while u beat me LoL...
Then again, you also missed my main point in this topic. The issue is, it's too easy to stay cloaked for insane amounts of time which makes you invulnerable basically. You can engage/disengage fights and escape with no punishment.
The only thing I believe that is broken when a stamblade use's cloak, is the simple fact that they can cloak even when they have had a DOT of any kind hit them, just how and why can they be able to cloak when taking dmg ??????????
That my friends is the broken part. he he the rest is just skill by the player is all.
The thing I hate most about cloak is that it suppresses all DOTs. That is such a stupid crutch get-out-of-jail-free card. Isn't it enough that Cloak makes you invisible, hit harder, and move faster?
I love playing stamblade but that particular feature of cloak is completely over the top.
Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »The thing I hate most about cloak is that it suppresses all DOTs. That is such a stupid crutch get-out-of-jail-free card. Isn't it enough that Cloak makes you invisible, hit harder, and move faster?
I love playing stamblade but that particular feature of cloak is completely over the top.
One morph of cloak used to cleans the dots. It was a nerf when it was changed to mere suppression. Dots are to prevelent in the game to have cloak not work at all when dots are present. Would make it virtually unusable as intended.
Besides, OP is likely incorrect with his assumption of what he saw. Stamblades cannot cloak for long since they lack the max magicka and magicka regen. It was likely a potion used, and maybe cloak a time or two along with it.
Using cloak and playing sneaky is part of being a nightblade, I know, and also it provides the class something unique.
However, lately I experienced fights, that have shown me, how annoying it can be to fight someone using cloak.
I am not really pointing at a magicka build right now, since they can sustain permanent cloaking. (Sadly)
But I want to talk about stamina builds. We all know cloak is an important part of stamblade builds. Crit heals, avoiding damage while waiting for dodge roll cost reset etc etc.
However very few skills, that SOLO/SMALLSCALE PvPers can get away with using , can detect cloaking players. Do keep in mind I'm not talking about someone, who sees 2-3 people riding on a horse, and goes into cloak to avoid a disadvantageous situation. The matter I'm talking about is engaging and disengaging combat.
I mostly play stam DK, group mostly consists of 2DKs, stamina and magicka. I do run volatile armor, which can break cloak. Magicka DK does use talons and volatile a. However the fact, that when we focus a stamblade who uses cloak after his health got down to ~10% AND ESCAPES WITHOUT EVER POPPING OUT OF STEALTH AGAIN, makes nightblade a really annoying class to fight against.
Stamina nightblades being able to cloak 4-5 times without a potion, USING A BUILD THAT IS VIABLE AND STILL DOES GOOD DAMAGE is an absolute no-go for me.
Cloak should get reworked like streak, making it cost more and more if cast more than once in a certain amount of time. No other class has the luxury, to get in and out of combat so quickly and being able to disappear in front of people.
Streak is a good example imo, it is used by both stamina and magicka sorcerer builds, magicka sorc still can afford to use it 4-5 times without draining his resources too much. Stamina can use it just enough to get behind line of sight etc.
Cloak should work the same way in my opinion.
What do others think about this?
P.S. the fact that half of the people we see in cyro are nightblades makes this even more annoying
So you want to tell me to fight 1v1 vs stam dk with so many buffs that u cant even kill him 1v5 and with 10 k resist vs 30k and so many passives on dk that is just absurd if u wanna go 1v1 with dk... Let me just stand there while u beat me LoL...
Then again, you also missed my main point in this topic. The issue is, it's too easy to stay cloaked for insane amounts of time which makes you invulnerable basically. You can engage/disengage fights and escape with no punishment.
Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »The thing I hate most about cloak is that it suppresses all DOTs. That is such a stupid crutch get-out-of-jail-free card. Isn't it enough that Cloak makes you invisible, hit harder, and move faster?
I love playing stamblade but that particular feature of cloak is completely over the top.
One morph of cloak used to cleans the dots. It was a nerf when it was changed to mere suppression. Dots are to prevelent in the game to have cloak not work at all when dots are present. Would make it virtually unusable as intended.
Besides, OP is likely incorrect with his assumption of what he saw. Stamblades cannot cloak for long since they lack the max magicka and magicka regen. It was likely a potion used, and maybe cloak a time or two along with it.
No to be clear I don't think DOTs should break cloak, but the damage should continue IMO.
Drink a detect potion next time.
Thread closed.
1, cast a shade
2, move away from shade
3, teleport 15m to shade, putting you behind the back of anyone chasing you in melee
4, dodge roll in the opposite direction they are running.
Congrats, now you are out of the 20m detection range of the potion and can cloak freely. There also is nothing short of a negate that your pursuer could do to prevent you from doing it. (In other words no, thread not closed)
I'm a stamblade, can only cloak 3 times before magic is out, 4 with tri stat food....I think.
Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »The thing I hate most about cloak is that it suppresses all DOTs. That is such a stupid crutch get-out-of-jail-free card. Isn't it enough that Cloak makes you invisible, hit harder, and move faster?
I love playing stamblade but that particular feature of cloak is completely over the top.
One morph of cloak used to cleans the dots. It was a nerf when it was changed to mere suppression. Dots are to prevelent in the game to have cloak not work at all when dots are present. Would make it virtually unusable as intended.
Besides, OP is likely incorrect with his assumption of what he saw. Stamblades cannot cloak for long since they lack the max magicka and magicka regen. It was likely a potion used, and maybe cloak a time or two along with it.
No to be clear I don't think DOTs should break cloak, but the damage should continue IMO.
The only thing I believe that is broken when a stamblade use's cloak, is the simple fact that they can cloak even when they have had a DOT of any kind hit them, just how and why can they be able to cloak when taking dmg ??????????
That my friends is the broken part. he he the rest is just skill by the player is all.
This! Let them cloak, but never successful with dots.
I'm a stamblade, can only cloak 3 times before magic is out, 4 with tri stat food....I think.
rfennell_ESO wrote: »The only thing I believe that is broken when a stamblade use's cloak, is the simple fact that they can cloak even when they have had a DOT of any kind hit them, just how and why can they be able to cloak when taking dmg ??????????
That my friends is the broken part. he he the rest is just skill by the player is all.
This! Let them cloak, but never successful with dots.
That would mean that 99% of the time in cyrondil you can't cloak.
Because... if it's not some 1v1 or really small scale fight... you always have dots on you and to tell you the truth... even in smaller fights you have a dot or two on you nearly always.
Dalsinthus wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »The thing I hate most about cloak is that it suppresses all DOTs. That is such a stupid crutch get-out-of-jail-free card. Isn't it enough that Cloak makes you invisible, hit harder, and move faster?
I love playing stamblade but that particular feature of cloak is completely over the top.
One morph of cloak used to cleans the dots. It was a nerf when it was changed to mere suppression. Dots are to prevelent in the game to have cloak not work at all when dots are present. Would make it virtually unusable as intended.
Besides, OP is likely incorrect with his assumption of what he saw. Stamblades cannot cloak for long since they lack the max magicka and magicka regen. It was likely a potion used, and maybe cloak a time or two along with it.
No to be clear I don't think DOTs should break cloak, but the damage should continue IMO.
That's an interesting idea and it could work, but I think you'd have to give nbs some access to major mending or they would just melt. It's already the squishiest class.
Dalsinthus wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »The thing I hate most about cloak is that it suppresses all DOTs. That is such a stupid crutch get-out-of-jail-free card. Isn't it enough that Cloak makes you invisible, hit harder, and move faster?
I love playing stamblade but that particular feature of cloak is completely over the top.
One morph of cloak used to cleans the dots. It was a nerf when it was changed to mere suppression. Dots are to prevelent in the game to have cloak not work at all when dots are present. Would make it virtually unusable as intended.
Besides, OP is likely incorrect with his assumption of what he saw. Stamblades cannot cloak for long since they lack the max magicka and magicka regen. It was likely a potion used, and maybe cloak a time or two along with it.
No to be clear I don't think DOTs should break cloak, but the damage should continue IMO.
That's an interesting idea and it could work, but I think you'd have to give nbs some access to major mending or they would just melt. It's already the squishiest class.
Properly built stamblades aren't squishy at all. You know that Shadowy Disguise > Rally is already a full-health heal right?
Dalsinthus wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »The thing I hate most about cloak is that it suppresses all DOTs. That is such a stupid crutch get-out-of-jail-free card. Isn't it enough that Cloak makes you invisible, hit harder, and move faster?
I love playing stamblade but that particular feature of cloak is completely over the top.
One morph of cloak used to cleans the dots. It was a nerf when it was changed to mere suppression. Dots are to prevelent in the game to have cloak not work at all when dots are present. Would make it virtually unusable as intended.
Besides, OP is likely incorrect with his assumption of what he saw. Stamblades cannot cloak for long since they lack the max magicka and magicka regen. It was likely a potion used, and maybe cloak a time or two along with it.
No to be clear I don't think DOTs should break cloak, but the damage should continue IMO.
That's an interesting idea and it could work, but I think you'd have to give nbs some access to major mending or they would just melt. It's already the squishiest class.
Properly built stamblades aren't squishy at all. You know that Shadowy Disguise > Rally is already a full-health heal right?
don't want to be that guy, but rally is a HoT, right?
dwemer_paleologist wrote: »That is good game design. (And even then it commonly fails to work.)