Tremorscale and Selene are still overperforming

BohnT · July 2017

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom can we have any insight if you plan to adjust these sets: Tremorscale, Valkyn Skoria and Selene in terms of
Damage
Delayed animation
Proc chance
Cooldown
Applied Snare

to bring them more in line with the changes made in this patch to proc sets.

Xsorus · July 2017

Cries wrote: »

Only thing I agree with on this thread is nerfing tremorscale, the snare is way too long... 70% for 8 seconds with a 4 second cooldown.

Till you realize if you nerf tremors they'll all go back to using low slash and doing more damage, longer snare, a damage debuff, and get minor heroism to you. They'll just swap out the monster helm for selletrix or stormfist and still continue to ruin your day.

Vaoh · July 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

My selene has a 17k tooltip on my nb, it needs a damage nerf and it needs a delay.

Can it still be animation cancelled?on pts?

Tremor needs it snare toning down, 70% is worse than a root because i can't roll and get immunity but both basically make my character stand still.

Skoria needs looking at as well, it's not used on all builds but on a mag dk or magplar it procs basically on cooldown for an auto aimed aoe hitting 5k~ per go.

^^^everything here sums the problematic proc sets pretty well.

Would also add the intentional double proccing of Selene's to the list of issues. These imbalances are why I have lost interest in ESO PvP for awhile. It's not fun to do great and then a NB jumps from stealth and puts out so much damage you'll die if being focused by another at the same time.

SirSocke · July 2017

Anybody here who can see what's going on here and in the whole forum?
Those overpowered shield stackers crying for nerfs. Crying to nerf everything that has a little chance to kill them...

Nerf procsets! Because we have classprocs and no one else should have killing procs!

Nerf dodgerols! Because a little bit of my damage did not hit!

Nerf blocking! How can it be that my frag did not instagib!

I overtuned a bit to show you what I read in this forums in nearly every "discussion". And now: slaughter this blasphemist (me)...

Feanor · July 2017

SirSocke wrote: »

Anybody here who can see what's going on here and in the whole forum?
Those overpowered shield stackers crying for nerfs. Crying to nerf everything that has a little chance to kill them...

Nerf procsets! Because we have classprocs and no one else should have killing procs!

Nerf dodgerols! Because a little bit of my damage did not hit!

Nerf blocking! How can it be that my frag did not instagib!

I overtuned a bit to show you what I read in this forums in nearly every "discussion". And now: slaughter this blasphemist (me)...

Yes obviously there is a shieldstacker conspiracy going on, people who just want to take away any counter to them. Finally somebody realized it's not about cheesy one shots that require only two button presses but about maintaining Sorc supremacy. Glad the world has bright people like you.

BNOC · July 2017

Hankrabbit wrote: »

I am sure Selene hitted him for 3,3k Damage. He just added a "1" with Paint or something to the number.

No way selene hit for 13k. That is just a ridicolous lie.

Here's the link to my Xbox Captures if you're genuinely serious

http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/BNOC SK/screenshot/6850810

I can't tamper with those, they come straight from my xbox.

BohnT · July 2017

SirSocke wrote: »

Anybody here who can see what's going on here and in the whole forum?
Those overpowered shield stackers crying for nerfs. Crying to nerf everything that has a little chance to kill them...

Nerf procsets! Because we have classprocs and no one else should have killing procs!

Nerf dodgerols! Because a little bit of my damage did not hit!

Nerf blocking! How can it be that my frag did not instagib!

I overtuned a bit to show you what I read in this forums in nearly every "discussion". And now: slaughter this blasphemist (me)...

Oh yeah i really want to make shieldstacking op and completely broken. Sarcasm off
The nerf here is about bringing back some skill to the game. There was a time when you could fight an opponent 15 times and win 15 times against them because you were better. Today these plebs can win fights against you because they get lucky with their armor procs and instagib you with a combination that would deal 11k damage even if they used a full damage setup.
But with procs even a light attack of 2k can proc 3-4k viper + 6-9k selene and for full crap 5-7k widowmaker or they are using eternal hunt to avoid any gap closer except ambush.

Proc sets are too strong they encourage Xv1 along with poisons and destro ult.
If you can't kill anyone on a Stamblade without procs go play Hello Kitty the Island Adventure because you just failed the easiest task in pvp with a nb

ak_pvp · July 2017

SirSocke wrote: »

Anybody here who can see what's going on here and in the whole forum?
Those overpowered shield stackers crying for nerfs. Crying to nerf everything that has a little chance to kill them...

Nerf procsets! Because we have classprocs and no one else should have killing procs!

Nerf dodgerols! Because a little bit of my damage did not hit!

Nerf blocking! How can it be that my frag did not instagib!

I overtuned a bit to show you what I read in this forums in nearly every "discussion". And now: slaughter this blasphemist (me)...

Eh, I hate shield stackers as much as the rest. They have been PvP OP since near the start. But I doubt there is a conspiracy. My personal class/build has little issues with proctatos, but I still see an issue with it. When 2 pieces can deal 15k damage easily in seconds with minimal warning, there is an issue.

akray21 · July 2017

BohnT wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom can we have any insight if you plan to adjust these sets: Tremorscale, Valkyn Skoria and Selene in terms of
Damage
Delayed animation
Proc chance
Cooldown
Applied Snare

to bring them more in line with the changes made in this patch to proc sets.

Please stop whining and tagging mommy and daddy.

BohnT · July 2017

akray21 wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom can we have any insight if you plan to adjust these sets: Tremorscale, Valkyn Skoria and Selene in terms of
Damage
Delayed animation
Proc chance
Cooldown
Applied Snare

to bring them more in line with the changes made in this patch to proc sets.

Please stop whining and tagging mommy and daddy.

I smell fear, mixed with more fear, sad that I can't duel you to show you that you can kick ass without procs.
I stand-up for balance not for my own advantage

Jamini · July 2017

BohnT wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom can we have any insight if you plan to adjust these sets: Tremorscale, Valkyn Skoria and Selene in terms of
Damage
Delayed animation
Proc chance
Cooldown
Applied Snare

to bring them more in line with the changes made in this patch to proc sets.

Please stop whining and tagging mommy and daddy.

I smell fear, mixed with more fear, sad that I can't duel you to show you that you can kick ass without procs.
I stand-up for balance not for my own advantage

I smell someone that will *** just as hard when those sets are nerfed about the next meta thing.
Tremor isn't and has not been the problem. If you are dying to it constantly, then perhaps you need to rethink your own build.

I've already found a fantastic set for next patch that is going to get so much whining myself~

SanTii.92 · July 2017

Over here it seems some of you have some Pts after getting triple procced to death.

How about you try some duels and bgs now before commenting on changes. I'm pretty much alone on the server..

Joy_Division · July 2017

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Over here it seems some of you have some Pts after getting triple procced to death.

How about you try some duels and bgs now before commenting on changes. I'm pretty much alone on the server..

Are you suggesting that people should actually test this stuff out as opposed to making judgments off their gut instincts? That's just not the way MMOs work!

TimeDazzler · July 2017

BohnT wrote: »

SirSocke wrote: »

Anybody here who can see what's going on here and in the whole forum?
Those overpowered shield stackers crying for nerfs. Crying to nerf everything that has a little chance to kill them...

Nerf procsets! Because we have classprocs and no one else should have killing procs!

Nerf dodgerols! Because a little bit of my damage did not hit!

Nerf blocking! How can it be that my frag did not instagib!

I overtuned a bit to show you what I read in this forums in nearly every "discussion". And now: slaughter this blasphemist (me)...

Oh yeah i really want to make shieldstacking op and completely broken. Sarcasm off
The nerf here is about bringing back some skill to the game. There was a time when you could fight an opponent 15 times and win 15 times against them because you were better. Today these plebs can win fights against you because they get lucky with their armor procs and instagib you with a combination that would deal 11k damage even if they used a full damage setup.
But with procs even a light attack of 2k can proc 3-4k viper + 6-9k selene and for full crap 5-7k widowmaker or they are using eternal hunt to avoid any gap closer except ambush.

Proc sets are too strong they encourage Xv1 along with poisons and destro ult.
If you can't kill anyone on a Stamblade without procs go play Hello Kitty the Island Adventure because you just failed the easiest task in pvp with a nb

Wants skill back in the game -> fails to dodge selene -> whines on the forums

Also how is there any sarcasm in the fact that all these nerfs to proc sets are making tanks and shield stackers stronger?

ZOS_JessicaFolsom · July 2017

Hi everyone,

We wanted to let you know that we have read your feedback about the Selene and Tremorscale item sets. We are still evaluating item sets on the PTS, including these two, so please continue to share your testing experiences with them.

leepalmer95 · July 2017

Jamini wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom can we have any insight if you plan to adjust these sets: Tremorscale, Valkyn Skoria and Selene in terms of
Damage
Delayed animation
Proc chance
Cooldown
Applied Snare

to bring them more in line with the changes made in this patch to proc sets.

Please stop whining and tagging mommy and daddy.

I smell fear, mixed with more fear, sad that I can't duel you to show you that you can kick ass without procs.
I stand-up for balance not for my own advantage

I smell someone that will *** just as hard when those sets are nerfed about the next meta thing.
Tremor isn't and has not been the problem. If you are dying to it constantly, then perhaps you need to rethink your own build.

I've already found a fantastic set for next patch that is going to get so much whining myself~

The snare on tremor is the problem.

GeorgeBlack · July 2017

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We wanted to let you know that we have read your feedback about the Selene and Tremorscale item sets. We are still evaluating item sets on the PTS, including these two, so please continue to share your testing experiences with them.

Get any class and test it against a Valkyn Skoria magika DK tank/nuker and work with the results.
Get any class and test against a Valkyn Skoria magika Templar tank as well.
Observe easy and massive damage dealt by unkillable tanks. Examine Valkyn Skoria again.

Every class is balanced (except magsorc). These monster sets ruin the balance. Selene Tremor and Skoria need to be toned down.

Qbiken · July 2017

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We wanted to let you know that we have read your feedback about the Selene and Tremorscale item sets. We are still evaluating item sets on the PTS, including these two, so please continue to share your testing experiences with them.

Get any class and test it against a Valkyn Skoria magika DK tank/nuker and work with the results.
Get any class and test against a Valkyn Skoria magika Templar tank as well.
Observe easy and massive damage dealt by unkillable tanks. Examine Valkyn Skoria again.

Every class is balanced (except magsorc). These monster sets ruin the balance. Selene Tremor and Skoria need to be toned down.

Skoria is balanced and fine. Tremor and selenes are another story.

And yea, shuffle is balanced as well

leepalmer95 · July 2017

Qbiken wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We wanted to let you know that we have read your feedback about the Selene and Tremorscale item sets. We are still evaluating item sets on the PTS, including these two, so please continue to share your testing experiences with them.

Get any class and test it against a Valkyn Skoria magika DK tank/nuker and work with the results.
Get any class and test against a Valkyn Skoria magika Templar tank as well.
Observe easy and massive damage dealt by unkillable tanks. Examine Valkyn Skoria again.

Every class is balanced (except magsorc). These monster sets ruin the balance. Selene Tremor and Skoria need to be toned down.

Skoria is balanced and fine. Tremor and selenes are another story.

And yea, shuffle is balanced as well

Nah skoria isn't. Auto aiming aoe 5-6k dmg proc basically on cooldown.

Tremor the snare is OP
Selene the dmg is OP

GeorgeBlack · July 2017

Qbiken wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We wanted to let you know that we have read your feedback about the Selene and Tremorscale item sets. We are still evaluating item sets on the PTS, including these two, so please continue to share your testing experiences with them.

Get any class and test it against a Valkyn Skoria magika DK tank/nuker and work with the results.
Get any class and test against a Valkyn Skoria magika Templar tank as well.
Observe easy and massive damage dealt by unkillable tanks. Examine Valkyn Skoria again.

Every class is balanced (except magsorc). These monster sets ruin the balance. Selene Tremor and Skoria need to be toned down.

Skoria is balanced and fine. Tremor and selenes are another story.

And yea, shuffle is balanced as well

How is skoria balanced? It provides frequent burst dmg to tanky dot builds. They get the missing element.
How is it balanced when it covers everything?

When something is BiS it IS NOT balanced. Same with shuffle.

Qbiken · July 2017

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We wanted to let you know that we have read your feedback about the Selene and Tremorscale item sets. We are still evaluating item sets on the PTS, including these two, so please continue to share your testing experiences with them.

Get any class and test it against a Valkyn Skoria magika DK tank/nuker and work with the results.
Get any class and test against a Valkyn Skoria magika Templar tank as well.
Observe easy and massive damage dealt by unkillable tanks. Examine Valkyn Skoria again.

Every class is balanced (except magsorc). These monster sets ruin the balance. Selene Tremor and Skoria need to be toned down.

Skoria is balanced and fine. Tremor and selenes are another story.

And yea, shuffle is balanced as well

How is skoria balanced? It provides frequent burst dmg to tanky dot builds. They get the missing element.
How is it balanced when it covers everything?

When something is BiS it IS NOT balanced. Same with shuffle.

Skoria is fine because it you need to apply dots and therefore sacrificing burst damage (which skoria is suppose to give you some). Ppl qq because it´s strong in nocp and battle grounds but so are most monster sets.

When something is BiS it IS NOT balanced

LMAO that logic

TimeDazzler · July 2017

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

When something is BiS it IS NOT balanced. Same with shuffle.

That doesn't make any sense, something will always be BiS. According to that logic we may as well delete every item from the game.

leepalmer95 · July 2017

Qbiken wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We wanted to let you know that we have read your feedback about the Selene and Tremorscale item sets. We are still evaluating item sets on the PTS, including these two, so please continue to share your testing experiences with them.

Get any class and test it against a Valkyn Skoria magika DK tank/nuker and work with the results.
Get any class and test against a Valkyn Skoria magika Templar tank as well.
Observe easy and massive damage dealt by unkillable tanks. Examine Valkyn Skoria again.

Every class is balanced (except magsorc). These monster sets ruin the balance. Selene Tremor and Skoria need to be toned down.

Skoria is balanced and fine. Tremor and selenes are another story.

And yea, shuffle is balanced as well

How is skoria balanced? It provides frequent burst dmg to tanky dot builds. They get the missing element.
How is it balanced when it covers everything?

When something is BiS it IS NOT balanced. Same with shuffle.

Skoria is fine because it you need to apply dots and therefore sacrificing burst damage (which skoria is suppose to give you some). Ppl qq because it´s strong in nocp and battle grounds but so are most monster sets.

When something is BiS it IS NOT balanced

LMAO that logic

Your not sacrificing anything.

All dk's use embers for the heal (has a dot)
Most dk's use talons for the locking someone down (has a dot)
Easy to proc the burning effect... its a dot.
Breath to boost overall damage and apply a dot
Most ults have a dot
Not sure if inhale still counts as a dot
Double dot poisons
Use volatile armor for defence and healing, its a dot

What exactly do they give up?

Mag templars use vamps bane to proc effect, apply pressure and give themselves 10% crit.
Sweeps is their main spam skill, its a dot
Radiant is their execute its a dot
There ults are dots, DB/ soul assault/ etc...
Shards is a dot

What exactly do people give up?

Qbiken · July 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We wanted to let you know that we have read your feedback about the Selene and Tremorscale item sets. We are still evaluating item sets on the PTS, including these two, so please continue to share your testing experiences with them.

Get any class and test it against a Valkyn Skoria magika DK tank/nuker and work with the results.
Get any class and test against a Valkyn Skoria magika Templar tank as well.
Observe easy and massive damage dealt by unkillable tanks. Examine Valkyn Skoria again.

Every class is balanced (except magsorc). These monster sets ruin the balance. Selene Tremor and Skoria need to be toned down.

Skoria is balanced and fine. Tremor and selenes are another story.

And yea, shuffle is balanced as well

How is skoria balanced? It provides frequent burst dmg to tanky dot builds. They get the missing element.
How is it balanced when it covers everything?

When something is BiS it IS NOT balanced. Same with shuffle.

Skoria is fine because it you need to apply dots and therefore sacrificing burst damage (which skoria is suppose to give you some). Ppl qq because it´s strong in nocp and battle grounds but so are most monster sets.

When something is BiS it IS NOT balanced

LMAO that logic

Your not sacrificing anything.

All dk's use embers for the heal (has a dot)
Most dk's use talons for the locking someone down (has a dot)
Easy to proc the burning effect... its a dot.
Breath to boost overall damage and apply a dot
Most ults have a dot
Not sure if inhale still counts as a dot
Double dot poisons
Use volatile armor for defence and healing, its a dot

What exactly do they give up?

Mag templars use vamps bane to proc effect, apply pressure and give themselves 10% crit.
Sweeps is their main spam skill, its a dot
Radiant is their execute its a dot
There ults are dots, DB/ soul assault/ etc...
Shards is a dot

What exactly do people give up?

If the damage is a problem then I can be ok (not approving) with tuning it down slightly. Or is it the procchange, or how the set works that is an issue according to you??

Lore_lai · July 2017

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom - here's hoping these sets get adjusted (including Skoria).
To take an example - ZoS ran Repentance into the ground because they thought it was a "free" cast.
Then why is it okay for someone to simply put on a monster set, have completely terrible stats and hit with that armor set for a free amount of damage that can hit higher than an *ultimate*?

Something is completely wrong with the game if I'm getting hit on a LA build for 2-3k ish Incapacitating Strikes and 11k Selene!
The discrepancy between actually player skill that cost resource/ulti and these free procs is ridiculous!

I truly hope you find a balance - whether you decide to make it a DoT and give it cleave damage (In regards to Selene - maybe this way it will be even better for PvE and help Stamina have more cleave) or anything else - just please do something about these sets!

SirSocke · July 2017

What is wrong with selene? You can block it, you can shield it, you can dodge it and it has a visual and an audible warning before the damage is applied.
And even the damage. I have crystal frags with much more damage on my sorc than Selene on my NB...

SirSocke · July 2017

The burst of proc sets is necessary to handle tankheals or shieldstackers. Tone them down and proc sets can be removed. But without those sets there will be too many immortal tankheals and shieldstackers...

leepalmer95 · July 2017

SirSocke wrote: »

What is wrong with selene? You can block it, you can shield it, you can dodge it and it has a visual and an audible warning before the damage is applied.
And even the damage. I have crystal frags with much more damage on my sorc than Selene on my NB...

Your frag is 16-17k~ nice! but i can relfect, dodge and frag is obvious.

Selene procs fast and it quite hard to actually dodge unless your already going to dodge without knowing selene will proc.

Anyway, your signature says 'Bosmer stamina nightblade' which is guess is your main? So your here to defend the proc set you use and rely on.

You say you have a mag sorc but its not in your signature, also doesn't help you last reply to a thread is

'Anybody here who can see what's going on here and in the whole forum?
Those overpowered shield stackers crying for nerfs. Crying to nerf everything that has a little chance to kill them...'

So its clear you just a stam nb main, here to defend your broken selene because its likely carrying you,

Your other recent posts also show the fact your defending proc sets while hating on anything magicka.

But nice try man next time try posting something better. Also i have a stam nb using selene, its broke as hell.

SirDopey · July 2017

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We wanted to let you know that we have read your feedback about the Selene and Tremorscale item sets. We are still evaluating item sets on the PTS, including these two, so please continue to share your testing experiences with them.

Hi @ZOS_JessicaFolsom thank you for response,

Are you able to say whether you guys have the means of seeing whose feedback is from someone that has actually been on the PTS to test these sets based on the patch iteration on the PTS?

I only say this because there is a portion of the community that will say whatever is necessary to get certain sets nerfed to oblivion because they directly counter their own builds.....

GreenSoup2HoT · July 2017

@leepalmer95 ....and Lich or amber plasm isn't over-performing? Everyone claims that people dont want armour doing the killing for you.... how about we stop armour from sustaining so insanely for mistakes....

if any set in my mind is over-performing right now its Lich/amber plasm carrying sorcs.

how about we balance sorcs instead of just throwing out an anti-shield set like shield breaker. the second someone slots shield breaker they get hate mail for killing shield users when thats the tools they were given.

your an awesome forum poster and i like a lot of your suggestions but your pretty biased towards some aspects of this games balance. not disregarding how overpowered seleane is but there are sustain sets that are obviously over-performing aswell.