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Tremorscale and Selene are still overperforming
BohnT
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Both Selene and Tremorscale need to be brought in line with the recent changes to proc sets. They both grant hard or unavoidable damage.
Add a 1 second delay to both sets with a clear visual indicator where they will proc.
Additionally reduce selenes damage by 15%.
It has a tooltip of 15k+ more than: Wrecking blow, snipe and the initial hit of dawnbreaker.
This is too much for a free hit with now cost that can occur every 4 seconds.
@Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert
Add a 1 second delay to both sets with a clear visual indicator where they will proc.
Additionally reduce selenes damage by 15%.
It has a tooltip of 15k+ more than: Wrecking blow, snipe and the initial hit of dawnbreaker.
This is too much for a free hit with now cost that can occur every 4 seconds.
@Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert
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casparian✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Selene is not a free hit. As a stamplar, I can only land it on a good player if I am careful about my positioning, apply a CC if possible, and get lucky. It takes effort to line up a hit, and in U15, the added visual telegraph will only make it easier to avoid. Wearing Selene certainly comes with a cost, too: the opportunity cost of not wearing Blood Spawn, Skelly, etc. is significant.
Do you think that proc sets should never do high spike damage under any circumstances? ZOS seems to disagree with you. Roll dodge is an effective counter. If you're getting killed by Selene, Selene is not the problem.Edited by casparian on July 18, 2017 2:56AM7-day PVP campaign regular 2016-2019, Flawless Conqueror. MagDK/stamplar/stamwarden/mageblade. Requiem, Legend, Knights of Daggerfall. Currently retired from the wars; waiting on performance improvements.7 -
revonine✭✭✭✭.............and Skoria. The damn monster set hits like a truck and procs really often off even just one dot and off poisons for crikes sake. At least Selene is actually dodgable.Edited by revonine on July 18, 2017 3:37AM10 -
Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭.............and Skoria. The damn monster set hits like a truck and procs really often off even just one dot and off poisons for crikes sake. At least Selene is actually dodgable.
skoria was never an issue,
its same like years ago I doubt its OP and few players made habit for nerf! QQ
Edited by Lord_Eomer on July 18, 2017 3:41AM7 -
revonine✭✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: ».............and Skoria. The damn monster set hits like a truck and procs really often off even just one dot and off poisons for crikes sake. At least Selene is actually dodgable.
skoria was never an issue,
its same like years ago I doubt its OP and few players made habit for nerf! QQ
It's just a large an issue as any other high damage monster sets in no-cp especially. Any honest magblade, templar or DK will tell you how often it procs off cooldown.3 -
GeorgeBlack✭✭✭✭✭
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It does not take skill to use a proc set no matter how difficult you paint the CC+Proc to be. It happens easily. When I see somebody switching to procs I know for sure that this person wants desperately to do some killing instead of being the victim of his own low skill.Selene is not a free hit. As a stamplar, I can only land it on a good player if I am careful about my positioning, apply a CC if possible, and get lucky. It takes effort to line up a hit, and in U15, the added visual telegraph will only make it easier to avoid. Wearing Selene certainly comes with a cost, too: the opportunity cost of not wearing Blood Spawn, Skelly, etc. is significant.
Do you think that proc sets should never do high spike damage under any circumstances? ZOS seems to disagree with you. Roll dodge is an effective counter. If you're getting killed by Selene, Selene is not the problem.
Why else would you want to use such a lame mechanic with such high tooltip?
Edited by GeorgeBlack on July 18, 2017 4:27AM5 -
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✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: ».............and Skoria. The damn monster set hits like a truck and procs really often off even just one dot and off poisons for crikes sake. At least Selene is actually dodgable.
skoria was never an issue,
its same like years ago I doubt its OP and few players made habit for nerf! QQ
Skoria was always OP. But it used to be the only OP monster set, people could ignore the few builds that uses it and back then CoA vet was not so ez to farm (difficulty and drop rates). People are now saying enough with the buulllcrap, clean slate plz.
How can you say that Skoria isn't OP when a tanky DoT user procs it on you without having to worry about breaking his defence to lunch at you? He/she will kill you for sure if you commit to the fight.
I've seen magPlars and magDKs doing various 1v1 combos of them classes and Valkyn Skoria rains like armagedon for the 15mins that the duel is lasting.Edited by GeorgeBlack on July 18, 2017 4:26AM6 -
ak_pvp✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭GeorgeBlack wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: ».............and Skoria. The damn monster set hits like a truck and procs really often off even just one dot and off poisons for crikes sake. At least Selene is actually dodgable.
skoria was never an issue,
its same like years ago I doubt its OP and few players made habit for nerf! QQ
Skoria was always OP. But it used to be the only OP monster set, people could ignore the few builds that uses it and back then CoA vet was not so ez to farm (difficulty and drop rates). People are now saying enough with the buulllcrap, clean slate plz.
How can you say that Skoria isn't OP when a tanky DoT user procs it on you without having to worry about breaking his defence to lunch at you? He/she will kill you for sure if you commit to the fight.
I've seen magPlars and magDKs doing various 1v1 combos of them classes and Valkyn Skoria rains like armagedon for the 15mins that the duel is lasting.
Its not OP outside of 1v1 scenarios. In 1v1s you can efficiently apply dots enough to get high procs and it is certain to impact the target for the full damage.
Otherwise, It has a sound before it meaning people can react by blocking/cloaking, deals less damage than most other proc sets, (even though the tooltip is higher.) it has a 1pc health bonus, the damage, whilst AoE isn't guaranteed to proc on your intended target like viper and finally It relies on dots, which are weak and can be purged.MagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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Morgul667✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Tremorscale burst is significant but not that high
Allows the tank to do a minimum of DPS
I hope it doesnt get buried to the ground. Tank need some way to DPS0 -
xylena✭✭✭✭✭Tremorscale does about 2k damage and has already been nerfed twice.
Skoria does around 5k damage and really needs a delay or telegraph.Retired until we break the Tank Meta8 -
Feanor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Who really uses Tremorscale in PvE? And no, tanky builds should not be able to deal damage. As for Selene, any proc should not come with high damage if the conditions for the proc are easy to reach. Skoria is actually well designed. It has high damage but DoTs as a condition to proc it usually prevent the burst we see from any skill + Selene. I find it hilarious people really are still defending their Incap + SA + Selene combos bursting for 20k + with pressing two buttons.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Tanks should be allowed to do damage, last we end up with a game like wow where tanks have no purpose.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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actosh✭✭✭✭✭Selene is only strong when comboed with a cc.
If u r not cc ed and get hit by selene its a l2p issue. Selene has just like skoria conditions to proc. Besides that u cant avoid skorias meteor.
The problem u have is that selene just synergizes a bit to good with incap.
Btw, if selene would be nerfed to uselessness are u going to complain about velidreth?
Works just as well as selene.
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✭✭AFAIK both selene and tremor are dodgeable.
Selene isn't really that good outside of stamNB ganking. Don't forget that stamNBs use Selene instead of Velidreth in PvE, so nerfing Selene's damage would result only in: "you nerf PvE because of freaking PvP", "stamNB were already dead in PvE" and so on.
Tremor damage was already nerfed. Tremor snare was already nerfed. There isn't much left for further nerfs so just let that one be. And tremor was effective only by combining it with Viper or Red Mountain (or both at once xD). With these sets completely gone I don't think that tremor builds will be much of a deal anymore.Edited by Olupajmibanan on July 18, 2017 8:34AM2 -
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✭I find Skoria more OP. It can kill your enemy even when you are dead.
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✭✭✭✭✭I havent noticed tremorscale all that much anymore and no I don't use it. I do believe Selenes is still going to be a proc blade issue due to the strong an often bugged cc from incap strike. The change to vipers just means a new type of set will emerge to pair with Selenes. Likely oblivion damage.I find Skoria more OP. It can kill your enemy even when you are dead.
Skoria is strong. But there is a delay, sound warning and it can be blocked. Compared to Selenes this is a lot of warning and something like meteor. Should it hit after the user is dead? No, that seems silly.0 -
BNOC✭✭✭✭✭Tremorscale does about 2k damage and has already been nerfed twice.
Skoria does around 5k damage and really needs a delay or telegraph.
Watch out for that big 5k hit! It'll get ya, I've got people proccing more double poison damage on me over 5 seconds than Skoria is hitting for.
This is me at 25k resistances (NO CP but neither does he), getting hit 14k by Selene, and it's not the highest it's been either. I've seen 15k.
It needs a serious damage nerf not just some basic telegraph - These guys are coming from stealth with incaps.
Honestly I doubt anyone cares about the telegraph and would trade it off for a damage nerf.vMSA - Magplar - Xbox EU - 15/11/16
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BohnT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The problem with selene is that it's a constant russian roulette for you if your enemy uses it.
If selene hits you the chances are high that you'll die. It doesn't matter that you avoided it 20 times, if your enemy is lucky once ,you lose.
If you look at a proc set there are different things to look at which determine whether it is highly op or total crap.
1. Damage
2. Proc chance
3. Restrictions for the proc
4. Cooldown
5. Dot or Burst?
6. Avoidable?
7. Delay or instant
Now check it for selene:
The damage is insanely high,
Proc chance is high,
the restriction is not a drawback because almost any stam build is meele based.
The Cooldown is way too low only 4 seconds that's less than a normal weapon enchant
It's a direct burst ----> strong for pvp
You can definitely avoid selene the first few times but it will hit you during a fight for sure even against bad players. Good players can Animation Cancel selene ignoring the visual indicators so it will hit instantly.
Right now there is no delay.
As you see everything about it is way too strong there needs to be drawbacks and flaws to a set to be balanced, Selene doesn't has this.
I stand to my point, Selene is too strong and needs to have a 1.5 sec delay with this it won't be a problem in PvP but will be fine in pve
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actosh✭✭✭✭✭Delay on skoria means nothing. If u r cc ed u take the hit just like selene. Skoria is also luck based.
You can block selene as well ^^Edited by actosh on July 18, 2017 10:27AM0 -
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✭✭Tremorscale does about 2k damage and has already been nerfed twice.
Skoria does around 5k damage and really needs a delay or telegraph.
Watch out for that big 5k hit! It'll get ya, I've got people proccing more double poison damage on me over 5 seconds than Skoria is hitting for.
This is me at 25k resistances (NO CP but neither does he), getting hit 14k by Selene, and it's not the highest it's been either. I've seen 15k.
It needs a serious damage nerf not just some basic telegraph - These guys are coming from stealth with incaps.
Honestly I doubt anyone cares about the telegraph and would trade it off for a damage nerf.
There is something wrong with this death recap,
Incapacitating strike hit for 3k and surprise attack for 2k then no way Salene proc is hitting 13.5k
Edited by Lord_Eomer on July 19, 2017 6:37AM7 -
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✭✭✭✭Just gonna throw this out here: So many PvPers complained about access to monster sets, preferably without having to complete content to obtain the monster sets (enter "The Golden"), and are now complaining about the existence of the very monster sets they so vehemently rallied to get access to?Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
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GeorgeBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Merlin13KAGL wrote: »Just gonna throw this out here: So many PvPers complained about access to monster sets, preferably without having to complete content to obtain the monster sets (enter "The Golden"), and are now complaining about the existence of the very monster sets they so vehemently rallied to get access to?
PVP players are good at both PvEz and pvp.
That Golden Merchant was a product to Adress rng reward problems. That is why we get a rotation of PvP traits.
Btw, how did we used to clear veteran content before crap like Selene, when the content was not as nerfed as it is now? You dont need Selene to PvE.
U need it if you are a tryhard at PvP.
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Fixed it for you.GeorgeBlack wrote: »Merlin13KAGL wrote: »Just gonna throw this out here: So many PvPers complained about access to monster sets, preferably without having to complete content to obtain the monster sets (enter "The Golden"), and are now complaining about the existence of the very monster sets they so vehemently rallied to get access to?
Some PVP players are good at both PvEz and pvp.
That Golden Merchant was a product to Adress rng reward problems. That is why we get a rotation of PvP traits.
Btw, how did we used to clear veteran content before crap like Selene, when the content was not as nerfed as it is now? You dont need Selene to PvE.
U need it if you are a tryhard at PvP.
@GeorgeBlack, I'm not saying they aren't. I'm speaking more to the exception, not the rule.
I just find it mildly ironic, nevertheless.
Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
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BohnT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I rarely die to Selen's... because I know how to dodge...
thank god i never knew you can dodge in this game, you jsut made every proc set in this game crap because you told us that we can dodge them. Here's a message sherlock, if selene procs on cd which it does quiet often you can't dodge for more than 6 times even on a stam char because you have cost Penalty, and this only helps against one selene user who can cc you so your nice way of avoiding just got useless.
And I'm talking about a stam char, imagine how a magicka char Drains it's Stamina while fighting against this. Selene is too strong in pvp and Needs to be nerfed like every other proc set that carries scrubs
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akray21✭✭✭✭✭I rarely die to Selen's... because I know how to dodge...
thank god i never knew you can dodge in this game, you jsut made every proc set in this game crap because you told us that we can dodge them. Here's a message sherlock, if selene procs on cd which it does quiet often you can't dodge for more than 6 times even on a stam char because you have cost Penalty, and this only helps against one selene user who can cc you so your nice way of avoiding just got useless.
And I'm talking about a stam char, imagine how a magicka char Drains it's Stamina while fighting against this. Selene is too strong in pvp and Needs to be nerfed like every other proc set that carries scrubs
Lol. People cry about whatever shows on their death recap. Selen's is rarely there, but when a big number shows up on the recap scrubs start tearing up.Edited by akray21 on July 18, 2017 12:41PM2 -
techprince✭✭✭✭✭Selene and Skoria are overperforming. Tremor does like 2k damage per 4 seconds. Thats not high at all. I have tried it before, the snare is easily available via low slash for 12 seconds or stampede for 8 seconds hence i didnt feel the need and it has cooldown as well; whereas i can slow multiple enemies with skills so i replaced it with Selene and results were astonishing. I laugh when it hits for 7k-8k lol.Edited by techprince on July 18, 2017 12:53PM1
