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Cost too much to block.
Ihatenightblades
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23% block reduction cost in CP
1h and shield passives reducing block cost
And 1 reduced block cost glyph.
2 sturdy pieces.
I block for 2 seconds 15 k stamina gone..
( Stam DK pvp )
I guess ZoS wants us to just play burst builds
Edited by Ihatenightblades on July 14, 2017 5:58PM 1h and shield passives reducing block cost
And 1 reduced block cost glyph.
2 sturdy pieces.
I block for 2 seconds 15 k stamina gone..
( Stam DK pvp )
I guess ZoS wants us to just play burst builds
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Koolio✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Check this thread for more info
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/355523/permablocking-and-block-cost-calculations-analysis0 -
paulsimonps✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭BLOCK COST=(Base*((100-CP)/100)*((100-#Sturdy*Strength of Sturdy)/100)*((100-Fortress)/100)*((100-Alteration Mastery)/100)-(#Enchants*Strength of Enchants))*((100-Defensive Posture)/100)
Base 21602160*((100-23)/100)*((100-2*4)/100)*((100-36)/100)-203=776.29216
2s = 8 blocks tops776*8=6208
You take tops 3104 per second.
Lowest possible block is 48, without alteration mastery its 88.3 -
Rungar✭✭✭✭✭
✭ya if you want to block a lot your gonna need 2 more cost reduction enchants and 4 or 5 more sturdy pieces.
by my calculations your block cost is 1200 or so. Not really worth it. With the extra sturdy and enchants it would be less than 200. Totally worth it.
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✭In which cases do you need to hold block most of the time? Vet dungeons I get by by blocking as sparingly as possible. As a result although I have CP to reduce block cost and couple enchants for it, rest are infused or whatever. Haven't done trials.Edited by Megabear on July 14, 2017 5:50PMGuide to making $$$ in Tamriel: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/370618/guide-to-making-gold-in-eso/p1?new=1
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✭the 2 sentences
'I block for 2 seconds 15 k stamina gone.
I guess ZoS wants us to just play burst builds'
doesnt really seem to me that they are discussing a pve tank build!
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✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »23% block reduction cost in CP
1h and shield passives reducing block cost
And 1 reduced block cost glyph.
2 sturdy pieces.
I block for 2 seconds 15 k stamina gone..
I guess ZoS wants us to just play burst builds
Sounds like a personal problem.
I am on a DK with 5 points in stamina and I have no problems blocking the AA axes for 1 min while they revive the tank.Power level to CP160 in a week:
Where is the end game? You just played it.
Why don't I have 300+ skill points? Because you skipped content along the way.
Where is new content? Sigh.0 -
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✭In which cases do you need to hold block most of the time? Vet dungeons I get by by blocking as sparingly as possible. As a result although I have CP to reduce block cost and couple enchants for it, rest are infused or whatever. Haven't done trials.Ihatenightblades wrote: »23% block reduction cost in CP
1h and shield passives reducing block cost
And 1 reduced block cost glyph.
2 sturdy pieces.
I block for 2 seconds 15 k stamina gone..
I guess ZoS wants us to just play burst builds
Sounds like a personal problem.
I am on a DK with 5 points in stamina and I have no problems blocking the AA axes for 1 min while they revive the tank.
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✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »In which cases do you need to hold block most of the time? Vet dungeons I get by by blocking as sparingly as possible. As a result although I have CP to reduce block cost and couple enchants for it, rest are infused or whatever. Haven't done trials.Ihatenightblades wrote: »23% block reduction cost in CP
1h and shield passives reducing block cost
And 1 reduced block cost glyph.
2 sturdy pieces.
I block for 2 seconds 15 k stamina gone..
I guess ZoS wants us to just play burst builds
Sounds like a personal problem.
I am on a DK with 5 points in stamina and I have no problems blocking the AA axes for 1 min while they revive the tank.
Pvp bro pve tanking is a piece of cake
Yeah in PvP I don't expect to be able to block much at all. Might be better off dodging instead if you can or block strategically. I use Impen in PvP though, which is why I thought OP was discussing blocking in PvE.Edited by Megabear on July 14, 2017 6:01PMGuide to making $$$ in Tamriel: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/370618/guide-to-making-gold-in-eso/p1?new=1
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✭✭✭✭✭@Woeler has a great block cost reduction and we can get the cost down below 300 easily.
https://woeler.eu/index.php?p=blockcost
It's a choice between building to block or building to do damage, mostly.Edited by idk on July 14, 2017 6:06PM0 -
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✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »In which cases do you need to hold block most of the time? Vet dungeons I get by by blocking as sparingly as possible. As a result although I have CP to reduce block cost and couple enchants for it, rest are infused or whatever. Haven't done trials.Ihatenightblades wrote: »23% block reduction cost in CP
1h and shield passives reducing block cost
And 1 reduced block cost glyph.
2 sturdy pieces.
I block for 2 seconds 15 k stamina gone..
I guess ZoS wants us to just play burst builds
Sounds like a personal problem.
I am on a DK with 5 points in stamina and I have no problems blocking the AA axes for 1 min while they revive the tank.
Pvp bro pve tanking is a piece of cake
Try tanking vHoF and vmol HM then and say that.PC Master Race
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✭✭✭✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »In which cases do you need to hold block most of the time? Vet dungeons I get by by blocking as sparingly as possible. As a result although I have CP to reduce block cost and couple enchants for it, rest are infused or whatever. Haven't done trials.Ihatenightblades wrote: »23% block reduction cost in CP
1h and shield passives reducing block cost
And 1 reduced block cost glyph.
2 sturdy pieces.
I block for 2 seconds 15 k stamina gone..
I guess ZoS wants us to just play burst builds
Sounds like a personal problem.
I am on a DK with 5 points in stamina and I have no problems blocking the AA axes for 1 min while they revive the tank.
Pvp bro pve tanking is a piece of cake
Try tanking vHoF and vmol HM then and say that.
Especially vHoF. For vMoL HM it's more the OT that has the heavy lifting.1 -
Ir0nB34r✭✭✭In which cases do you need to hold block most of the time? Vet dungeons I get by by blocking as sparingly as possible. As a result although I have CP to reduce block cost and couple enchants for it, rest are infused or whatever. Haven't done trials.
The Aetherian Archive trial, during the final boss, the tank's entire job is to basically perma block. Its not that difficult in Normal, but in Veteran mode it could mean disaster if you are caught not blocking at the wrong time.
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✭✭I just have an issue with roll dodge being tied to blocking on console. You end up blocking 1-2 attacks every time you dodge.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Depends what you block. It's impossible to lose 15K stamina in 2s though. Even without any passives or cost reduction. You spend about 3-4K stamina per second without cost reduction if you are constantly getting hit. So it's more like 4-5s. Closer to 8 in your case. Stop exaggerating and learn what to block.Edited by Asardes on July 14, 2017 6:24PMBeta tester since February 2014, played ESO-TU October 2015 - August 2022, currently on an extended break
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techprince✭✭✭✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »23% block reduction cost in CP
1h and shield passives reducing block cost
And 1 reduced block cost glyph.
2 sturdy pieces.
I block for 2 seconds 15 k stamina gone..
( Stam DK pvp )
I guess ZoS wants us to just play burst builds
You are not suppose to stay and block while entire pvp raid attacks you. L2P issue for sure (your words back to you).0 -
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✭✭✭Depends what you block. It's impossible to lose 15K stamina in 2s though. Even without any passives or cost reduction. You spend about 3-4K stamina per second without cost reduction if you are constantly getting hit. So it's more like 4-5s. Closer to 8 in your case. Stop exaggerating and learn what to block.
Yeap, I even posted the actual block cost of his and how much it got him every second, not even close to what he said.1 -
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✭paulsimonps wrote: »Depends what you block. It's impossible to lose 15K stamina in 2s though. Even without any passives or cost reduction. You spend about 3-4K stamina per second without cost reduction if you are constantly getting hit. So it's more like 4-5s. Closer to 8 in your case. Stop exaggerating and learn what to block.
Yeap, I even posted the actual block cost of his and how much it got him every second, not even close to what he said.
Dude u pointed out that i was exaggerating?? amazing observation skills.
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✭✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »Depends what you block. It's impossible to lose 15K stamina in 2s though. Even without any passives or cost reduction. You spend about 3-4K stamina per second without cost reduction if you are constantly getting hit. So it's more like 4-5s. Closer to 8 in your case. Stop exaggerating and learn what to block.
Yeap, I even posted the actual block cost of his and how much it got him every second, not even close to what he said.
Dude u pointed out that i was exaggerating?? amazing observation skills.
Yes, so L2Block. Magicka users got Shields and Stamina users got roll dodge and tanks have block, that's how you protect yourself in PvP, you can't put half A's effort into block cost reduction and hope it will work.1 -
DRXHarbinger✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »Depends what you block. It's impossible to lose 15K stamina in 2s though. Even without any passives or cost reduction. You spend about 3-4K stamina per second without cost reduction if you are constantly getting hit. So it's more like 4-5s. Closer to 8 in your case. Stop exaggerating and learn what to block.
Yeap, I even posted the actual block cost of his and how much it got him every second, not even close to what he said.
Dude u pointed out that i was exaggerating?? amazing observation skills.
That's good n all but it just invalidates your complaint. It's like saying your car does 10mpg and it's *** on fuel when in reality it does 30 mpg.
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✭✭✭✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »In which cases do you need to hold block most of the time? Vet dungeons I get by by blocking as sparingly as possible. As a result although I have CP to reduce block cost and couple enchants for it, rest are infused or whatever. Haven't done trials.Ihatenightblades wrote: »23% block reduction cost in CP
1h and shield passives reducing block cost
And 1 reduced block cost glyph.
2 sturdy pieces.
I block for 2 seconds 15 k stamina gone..
I guess ZoS wants us to just play burst builds
Sounds like a personal problem.
I am on a DK with 5 points in stamina and I have no problems blocking the AA axes for 1 min while they revive the tank.
Pvp bro pve tanking is a piece of cake
Try tanking vHoF and vmol HM then and say that.
Especially vHoF. For vMoL HM it's more the OT that has the heavy lifting.paulsimonps wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »Depends what you block. It's impossible to lose 15K stamina in 2s though. Even without any passives or cost reduction. You spend about 3-4K stamina per second without cost reduction if you are constantly getting hit. So it's more like 4-5s. Closer to 8 in your case. Stop exaggerating and learn what to block.
Yeap, I even posted the actual block cost of his and how much it got him every second, not even close to what he said.
Dude u pointed out that i was exaggerating?? amazing observation skills.
Yes, so L2Block. Magicka users got Shields and Stamina users got roll dodge and tanks have block, that's how you protect yourself in PvP, you can't put half A's effort into block cost reduction and hope it will work.
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✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »23% block reduction cost in CP
1h and shield passives reducing block cost
And 1 reduced block cost glyph.
2 sturdy pieces.
I block for 2 seconds 15 k stamina gone..
( Stam DK pvp )
I guess ZoS wants us to just play burst builds
Why are you perma-blocking? I use no block cost reduction except like 30CP in shadow ward...have a total of 20k stam and have no issue...because I DONT BLOCK FOR ANY LONGER THAN I HAVE TO. There are few fights in this game that require perma-blocking. The Warrior in Hel-Ra maybe...or the scimitars in in AA?(or is it the other one?, have trouble keeping those two straight for some reason) Aside from those fights, you just dont need to permablock at all as long as you have good resists...you should be at cap all the time, even if it means you have to constantly cast hardened/spiked armor or equivalent skill. If you arent always blocking, you can heavy attack and regain stam...its very easy, you dont have a strict rotation to worry about like DPS.
Unless you are talking PvP...and in that case...perma-blocking will get you killed even faster. in PvP there is very little reason to play a true tank, and strategic blocking is even MORE important.Edited by josiahva on July 14, 2017 7:19PM0 -
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✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »23% block reduction cost in CP
1h and shield passives reducing block cost
And 1 reduced block cost glyph.
2 sturdy pieces.
I block for 2 seconds 15 k stamina gone..
( Stam DK pvp )
I guess ZoS wants us to just play burst builds
This is another very important thread to consider now.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/357869/stam-regen-blocking-you-how-blocking-really-kills-your-stam-regen-and-how-to-counter-act-it
Between both of the posts I linked I have found out so much information that 60% of my builds have changed things up.0 -
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✭✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »Depends what you block. It's impossible to lose 15K stamina in 2s though. Even without any passives or cost reduction. You spend about 3-4K stamina per second without cost reduction if you are constantly getting hit. So it's more like 4-5s. Closer to 8 in your case. Stop exaggerating and learn what to block.
Yeap, I even posted the actual block cost of his and how much it got him every second, not even close to what he said.
Dude u pointed out that i was exaggerating?? amazing observation skills.
You made a complaint. He provided facts showing your complaint was invalid.
...?
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✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »Depends what you block. It's impossible to lose 15K stamina in 2s though. Even without any passives or cost reduction. You spend about 3-4K stamina per second without cost reduction if you are constantly getting hit. So it's more like 4-5s. Closer to 8 in your case. Stop exaggerating and learn what to block.
Yeap, I even posted the actual block cost of his and how much it got him every second, not even close to what he said.
Dude u pointed out that i was exaggerating?? amazing observation skills.
You made a complaint. He provided facts showing your complaint was invalid.
...?
/thread?
Umm i still think it cost too much to block so ya..
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