I hope the devs deal with these ESO dupers/cheaters soon

Dracofyre · July 2017

ZOs-Gina, thanks for checking into possible dupes situation.
i just want to add from my experiences, years ago, Asheron's Call was my first MMO, it happens alot and many players were complaining about server crash and later to find out why it been happening, someone in the game were making dupes of most wanted and desirable armor, "Nexus Core" crystal armor, it was suppose to be unique 1 of a kind per server.
and darktide was PVP server and there was many copies of Nexus core sets, on other servers some used regular "Celdon" set that look like Nexus Core. all players knew these are fakes but look good.
making dupes will get many account who own the dupes got banned or stripped, even that original got taken away and warn other servers not to make any dupes or it will be taken away.
then within few months later, Nexus Core became outdated when they add upgrades for shadow core armor sets.

server crashing might be the possible cause by dupings,. but not confirmed.

DRXHarbinger · July 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys, while we obviously can't divulge details about our investigations, you can rest assured that we are aware and are on it.

@ZOS_GinaBruno please don't just go after the bot players and sellers. You need to find the guild bank they dump everything in and shut that account off. Closing these singular accounts is doing nothing. 8€ later they are back up and running again and lost no materials or stock.

LadyNalcarya · July 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys, while we obviously can't divulge details about our investigations, you can rest assured that we are aware and are on it.

Thats great!
Thought it would be really awesome if there would be a bit more transparency. Cheating and exploiting are very serious issues and many of us are concerned about it.

Troneon · July 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys, while we obviously can't divulge details about our investigations, you can rest assured that we are aware and are on it.

So 6 more months of NO ETA then?

Urkraft · July 2017

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys, while we obviously can't divulge details about our investigations, you can rest assured that we are aware and are on it.

Hey Miss Gina,

did u really delete the guild and let the trader free?

Malamar1229 · July 2017

So question...if any of us purchased duped items from a guild trader are those items going to go poof from our inventories?

Urkraft · July 2017

Malamar1229 wrote: »

So question...if any of us purchased duped items from a guild trader are those items going to go poof from our inventories?

i wish it was like that, but seemingly no.
its not like some didnt deserve that.

twev · July 2017

Malamar1229 wrote: »

I want to share with you all the facts behind the gold selling business. I was a gold supplier for a long time for a company (and companies). I will not list the game, but it was a part of my past for which I am ashamed. I was younger, didn't know any better, etc.

- Today it is rare and unprofitable for a Gold Selling Company to employ farmers/bot accounts. Most of the bots you see are individual players like me and you who become "suppliers" for gold selling companies (almost like independent contractors) except no contract.
- Gold Sellers have a list of suppliers. When you purchase gold, the company then contacts all it's suppliers and asks them to supply the gold directly to you. Figures are examples, but lets say you pay $10.00 for 200k gold. The gold company takes your money, pays $5.00 to the supplier for the 200k gold and has him/her mail it to you directly. They're basically a middleman service.

It's quite the scheme actually, all the risk is on the supplier/buyer. The gold selling company no longer has to worry about purchasing new accounts and getting banned because they can continue to operate with new suppliers.

The way you guys can combat the gold selling system is to stop buying gold.

That doesn't explain the bot trains of 3 or 4 'toons all running in exactly the same path 2 steps apart from the one ahead.

GreyWolf_79 · July 2017

Malamar1229 wrote: »

I want to share with you all the facts behind the gold selling business. I was a gold supplier for a long time for a company (and companies). I will not list the game, but it was a part of my past for which I am ashamed. I was younger, didn't know any better, etc.

- Today it is rare and unprofitable for a Gold Selling Company to employ farmers/bot accounts. Most of the bots you see are individual players like me and you who become "suppliers" for gold selling companies (almost like independent contractors) except no contract.
- Gold Sellers have a list of suppliers. When you purchase gold, the company then contacts all it's suppliers and asks them to supply the gold directly to you. Figures are examples, but lets say you pay $10.00 for 200k gold. The gold company takes your money, pays $5.00 to the supplier for the 200k gold and has him/her mail it to you directly. They're basically a middleman service.

It's quite the scheme actually, all the risk is on the supplier/buyer. The gold selling company no longer has to worry about purchasing new accounts and getting banned because they can continue to operate with new suppliers.

The way you guys can combat the gold selling system is to stop buying gold.

I have never "bought gold" in any game, except for cases where you can actually legitimately buy items from the official game store and sell them to other players (yes I have done that once or twice in other games, because I wanted items I couldn't afford and didn't feel like farming for 6 months to get them)

As for "gold sellers", I always assumed they were hackers, botters, scammers, etc. running suspicious malware infested websites operating on the dark web out of countries with very loose laws... I figured they made most of their money from stealing peoples' credit card information, not from the actual gold transactions themselves. Either way, I'd never trust a single one of them.

Hammy01 · July 2017

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

magictucktuck wrote: »

I don't speak or read any language but English but i don't see any proof or duping? everyone knows people sell gold of every game. and we all see the bots.. but wheres the duping proof? was it in one of the Russian pictures?

There were really massive amounts of mats (inlcluding super rare mats like Aetherial Dust) and gold.
Also, the Russian screenshots proved that the suspicious traders are... Lets say, closely related to goldsellers.

I suspect that Craglorn trader you are mentioning here is the result of non-stop botting that's been running since One Tamriel was released. If I logged on right now it would take me maybe 2 minutes to go find a train of them.. they are almost in every single map in the game.

I was going to put together a thread of all of their botting locations with screenshots, etc but.. it's hard to have that kind of motivation when Zenimax shows none in combating them.

Maybe...
Well in this case its still a shame that so many precious dust spawns ended up in golsellers pockets instead of dropping to regular players. >.<

No kidding, i have yet to find even one and i actually spend a lot of time gathering my own materials.

Bouldercleave · July 2017

First the elections and now this?!? Will the Russians stop at nothing?

Own · July 2017

I always hoped duped was a work that wouldn't make it to this game.

Caligamy_ESO · July 2017

twev wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

I want to share with you all the facts behind the gold selling business. I was a gold supplier for a long time for a company (and companies). I will not list the game, but it was a part of my past for which I am ashamed. I was younger, didn't know any better, etc.

- Today it is rare and unprofitable for a Gold Selling Company to employ farmers/bot accounts. Most of the bots you see are individual players like me and you who become "suppliers" for gold selling companies (almost like independent contractors) except no contract.
- Gold Sellers have a list of suppliers. When you purchase gold, the company then contacts all it's suppliers and asks them to supply the gold directly to you. Figures are examples, but lets say you pay $10.00 for 200k gold. The gold company takes your money, pays $5.00 to the supplier for the 200k gold and has him/her mail it to you directly. They're basically a middleman service.

It's quite the scheme actually, all the risk is on the supplier/buyer. The gold selling company no longer has to worry about purchasing new accounts and getting banned because they can continue to operate with new suppliers.

The way you guys can combat the gold selling system is to stop buying gold.

That doesn't explain the bot trains of 3 or 4 'toons all running in exactly the same path 2 steps apart from the one ahead.

Another thing I noticed that was interesting when I was going out and screenshotting the bot trains, was occasionally it seemed like someone would notice my presence there following them, and suddenly 3 or 4 of them would instantly vanish at precisely the same time.

Elsonso · July 2017

Troneon wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys, while we obviously can't divulge details about our investigations, you can rest assured that we are aware and are on it.

So 6 more months of NO ETA then?

Does this mean that Gina saw her shadow, or not?

SirDopey · July 2017

Urkraft wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

So question...if any of us purchased duped items from a guild trader are those items going to go poof from our inventories?

i wish it was like that, but seemingly no.
its not like some didnt deserve that.

I think that would be way too harsh, especially if the purchase was from a guild store trader. Fully support them taking the gold off the person that put the duped item up for sale but you can't take the item off the person that brought it as it's hihgly likely they had no idea whatsoever.

agingerinohio · July 2017

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Gina Bruno - Secret Agent

LOL I was seriously imagining as some secret agent/nightblade type in this matter. You beat me to it. xD

zaria · July 2017

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

magictucktuck wrote: »

I don't speak or read any language but English but i don't see any proof or duping? everyone knows people sell gold of every game. and we all see the bots.. but wheres the duping proof? was it in one of the Russian pictures?

There were really massive amounts of mats (inlcluding super rare mats like Aetherial Dust) and gold.
Also, the Russian screenshots proved that the suspicious traders are... Lets say, closely related to goldsellers.

As I understand ZoS checked it out, it was not an huge increase in Aetherial Dust or other rare stuff like gold tempers.
If some had either found an dupe method or an glitched farming method you would expect the total number of Aetherial Dust would increase fast. They could probably also see how much of it was used in making potions to catch that backdoor.

Publius_Scipio · July 2017

So it has begun.... Agents and acolytes of the Kremlin have infiltrated Tamriel.

Everyone laughed at me when I said the creation of Miat's addon was backed by individuals in the Kremlin who have ties with purported ex KGB.

Urkraft · July 2017

SirDopey wrote: »

Urkraft wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

So question...if any of us purchased duped items from a guild trader are those items going to go poof from our inventories?

i wish it was like that, but seemingly no.
its not like some didnt deserve that.

I think that would be way too harsh, especially if the purchase was from a guild store trader. Fully support them taking the gold off the person that put the duped item up for sale but you can't take the item off the person that brought it as it's hihgly likely they had no idea whatsoever.

yeah nobody of those poor innocent buyers from belkarth which are also powersellers in belkarth would came to the idea that buying 50 or 100 dust in a stack fpr 20 or 30k each is a bit fishy

hey jo, it has been my guild outbid by that ru trade, and zos didnt dare to correct the situation and to put the guild with the next higher bid on that spot, it jsut has been left free.

hey it could have been also ttg, ttm or at to get outbid by them, as i know zos, it also could have been, they dont react on that problem - then they maybe would have been bidding on the other guilds there too. then it was the oh-so-naive belkarths powersellers gold which ended up in bids against their own guilds.

thats all.

i see all the time in listings of guilds which are botinfected the same and the same resellers names buying up all that scraps and unrefined mats. u not gonna tell me, anybody of those doesnt know the origin of that material, when they put min. 5 mio each week into that material and sell those in belkarth then. u can't.

but hey okay - a warnmail from zos would be already enough to stop most of them.

Urkraft · July 2017

zaria wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

magictucktuck wrote: »

I don't speak or read any language but English but i don't see any proof or duping? everyone knows people sell gold of every game. and we all see the bots.. but wheres the duping proof? was it in one of the Russian pictures?

There were really massive amounts of mats (inlcluding super rare mats like Aetherial Dust) and gold.
Also, the Russian screenshots proved that the suspicious traders are... Lets say, closely related to goldsellers.

As I understand ZoS checked it out, it was not an huge increase in Aetherial Dust or other rare stuff like gold tempers.
If some had either found an dupe method or an glitched farming method you would expect the total number of Aetherial Dust would increase fast. They could probably also see how much of it was used in making potions to catch that backdoor.

they also just could have been lying to not make people aware of an existing dupe exploit.

Kammakazi · July 2017

Are you sure they aren't just on PTS and utilizing the hundreds of stacks of mats from the Ultimate Crafting Crate? lol

Urkraft · July 2017

so, is this all @ZOS_GinaBruno ?

LadyDestiny · July 2017

I just want to see a GM log in and just obliterate the whole lot of them with an OP character. Miss those days on swg.....:D

DMuehlhausen · July 2017

Megabear wrote: »

I recently read a thread regarding Russian cheaters/dupers that were botting/duplicating items. The proofs were substantial and the thread was deleted rather quickly. I'm not going to add any names for obvious reasons but the evidence was overwhelming and well, disheartening, that cheating/duping in such a scale is even possible.

Anyone else seen the thread? You can see the original thread in other ESO forums outside of this forum by the way.

Why get so down about it? The way you talk ESO is the only game in the history of gaming that has had the problem and it's going to be ground zero for every other game to start having cheaters.

I'm sure they are working on ways to fix/ban the issues/users. The problem is you never respond to them individually you take months to get data find a fix then ban thousands of accounts at one time. If you do them 1 at a time or is small bunches the remaining ones figure out what was done and find ways around it before they get banned.

Yes after several months or maybe a year they find a way around the system and start again and then the cycle starts all over again. As long as there is a competitive nature somewhere in the game there will be people trying to cheat the system and gain an advantage.

Immortal_Dark410 · July 2017

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Megabear wrote: »

I recently read a thread regarding Russian cheaters/dupers that were botting/duplicating items. The proofs were substantial and the thread was deleted rather quickly. I'm not going to add any names for obvious reasons but the evidence was overwhelming and well, disheartening, that cheating/duping in such a scale is even possible.

Anyone else seen the thread? You can see the original thread in other ESO forums outside of this forum by the way.

Why get so down about it? The way you talk ESO is the only game in the history of gaming that has had the problem and it's going to be ground zero for every other game to start having cheaters.

I'm sure they are working on ways to fix/ban the issues/users. The problem is you never respond to them individually you take months to get data find a fix then ban thousands of accounts at one time. If you do them 1 at a time or is small bunches the remaining ones figure out what was done and find ways around it before they get banned.

Yes after several months or maybe a year they find a way around the system and start again and then the cycle starts all over again. As long as there is a competitive nature somewhere in the game there will be people trying to cheat the system and gain an advantage.

Couldn't have said it any better myself, It will always be in the game & other Games, People Find ways around these things. Main thing is you know the Company of that game is trying to do something about it. So it Should be sufficient enough. If you want to know exactly what they are doing & you want updates , Then work for them. Because I'm sure its in there TOS (Terms of service) or somewhere else, where they can release information as they see fit & Not because someone asks them too or Nag's or harasses them to.

Urkraft · July 2017

Main thing is you know the Company of that game is trying to do something about it.

Mister,

this Company has been banning two acocunts and not following the way the gold went and enabled those people to go on selling their gold for quite a while, since it was so low priced it got sold like ***. After this Company told us, they are ivnestigating and doing something, same people were able to set their guild to the most active trading hub on EU server.

Srsly, are you kidding me?

Urkraft · July 2017

good news everyone! 5 minutes ago these goldsellers sold another 10m gold
looks like zos just drop their trader. that's all!!!!

Immortal_Dark410 · July 2017

Urkraft wrote: »

Main thing is you know the Company of that game is trying to do something about it.

Mister,

this Company has been banning two acocunts and not following the way the gold went and enabled those people to go on selling their gold for quite a while, since it was so low priced it got sold like ***. After this Company told us, they are ivnestigating and doing something, same people were able to set their guild to the most active trading hub on EU server.

Srsly, are you kidding me?

What I'm noticing is your Quoting 1 line of someones post & ignoring everything else that is being said, where as for example if you read @DMuehlhausen post they answer the question quite simply. Dont think your gonna get anywhere by trying to rile the ZOS community up or bother ZOS. Because they still wont respond to you any faster.

Urkraft · July 2017

Immortal_Dark410 wrote: »

Urkraft wrote: »

Main thing is you know the Company of that game is trying to do something about it.

Mister,

this Company has been banning two acocunts and not following the way the gold went and enabled those people to go on selling their gold for quite a while, since it was so low priced it got sold like ***. After this Company told us, they are ivnestigating and doing something, same people were able to set their guild to the most active trading hub on EU server.

Srsly, are you kidding me?

What I'm noticing is your Quoting 1 line of someones post & ignoring everything else that is being said, where as for example if you read @DMuehlhausen post they answer the question quite simply. Dont think your gonna get anywhere by trying to rile the ZOS community up or bother ZOS. Because they still wont respond to you any faster.

i dont expect zos to respond fast, i dont even expect zos to do anything really deep into this problem, as they always do. your faith in that something would happen is just quite amusing.

code65536 · July 2017

The thread in question is still around and hasn't been deleted:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/356366