For all that is holy make everything bind on equip!!!

Dymence · July 2017

I can solve your problem.

Don't farm netch, it's not BiS.

eso_nya · July 2017

Do math before grinding.
Figure out: Netch gives potentially +3,35% dps on everything shock and -8% on everything not shock compared to julianos.
That means, if everything u do is shock dmg and u pull 50k dps in julianos, upgrading to netch will allow u to pull 51.675 dps.
...

U dont believe me, right. Heres a cheap experiment:
1. Go to Eldenroot.
2. Buff up, note max magicka and tooltipdmg of a skill.
3. attack dark root, wait for buggs to spawn, kill blue bug, stand in blue goo left behind.
4. buff up
5. check max magicka and tooltip of same skill.
6. calculate: percentage of max magicka increase, percentage of tooltip increase.
The blue goo gives u ~30k max magicka, given necro only gives 4k, that boost should be insane, right?

Go over dropchances, statistical amount of runs needed until drop, time needed for run. calculate how long it will take u until u "should" get the item. factor in theres new content all 3 month.

Decide if it is still worth your time.

I do agree on more boe-stuff. Additionally, id like to see a better distribution of "better gear for harder content".

Merlin13KAGL · July 2017

eso_nya wrote: »

Do math before grinding.
Figure out: Netch gives potentially +3,35% dps on everything shock and -8% on everything not shock compared to julianos.
That means, if everything u do is shock dmg and u pull 50k dps in julianos, upgrading to netch will allow u to pull 51.675 dps.
...
U dont believe me, right. Heres a cheap experiment:
1. Go to Eldenroot.
2. Buff up, note max magicka and tooltipdmg of a skill.
3. attack dark root, wait for buggs to spawn, kill blue bug, stand in blue goo left behind.
4. buff up
5. check max magicka and tooltip of same skill.
6. calculate: percentage of max magicka increase, percentage of tooltip increase.
The blue goo gives u ~30k max magicka, given necro only gives 4k, that boost should be insane, right?

Go over dropchances, statistical amount of runs needed until drop, time needed for run. calculate how long it will take u until u "should" get the item. factor in theres new content all 3 month.

Decide if it is still worth your time.

I do agree on more boe-stuff. Additionally, id like to see a better distribution of "better gear for harder content".

@eso_nya , spoiler to your spoiler...unless something's changed, the 'goo' increases regen, not max stat.

SkillzMFG · July 2017

Prepare yourself for a short sad story:

I've been farming Flame Spinner's Sharpened Staff for about 4 months now, no luck at all. It's not even BiS anymore but it's a matter of principle I am trying to find out how long are the RNG gods willing to sc**w with me.

eso_nya · July 2017

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

@eso_nya , spoiler to your spoiler...unless something's changed, the 'goo' increases regen, not max stat.

Oh really? has been a while since i was there. Stumbled over it, cause i knew it increases regen, but when i stepped into it, my bar was suddenly looking empty.Didnt have resource numbers turned on, so took me a while to figure out.
I should recheck that.

Dymence · July 2017

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

eso_nya wrote: »

Do math before grinding.
Figure out: Netch gives potentially +3,35% dps on everything shock and -8% on everything not shock compared to julianos.
That means, if everything u do is shock dmg and u pull 50k dps in julianos, upgrading to netch will allow u to pull 51.675 dps.
...
U dont believe me, right. Heres a cheap experiment:
1. Go to Eldenroot.
2. Buff up, note max magicka and tooltipdmg of a skill.
3. attack dark root, wait for buggs to spawn, kill blue bug, stand in blue goo left behind.
4. buff up
5. check max magicka and tooltip of same skill.
6. calculate: percentage of max magicka increase, percentage of tooltip increase.
The blue goo gives u ~30k max magicka, given necro only gives 4k, that boost should be insane, right?

Go over dropchances, statistical amount of runs needed until drop, time needed for run. calculate how long it will take u until u "should" get the item. factor in theres new content all 3 month.

Decide if it is still worth your time.

I do agree on more boe-stuff. Additionally, id like to see a better distribution of "better gear for harder content".

@eso_nya , spoiler to your spoiler...unless something's changed, the 'goo' increases regen, not max stat.

It increases both.

Since the dawn of age.

BigBragg · July 2017

RNG + BoP = PoS

POps75p · July 2017

drake88131 wrote: »

I don't care that a noob can just get lots of gold and buy BiS gear. I don't care that some idiot scum is out there farming it and making real world money off of it or some idiot is buying it for real world money. I don't care that some elitists would be upset. I just want to be able to play my favorite game without spending useless hours trying to get BiS gear...again so I can enjoy more time doing other things. Like...shocker...playing my free time after work on a game I enjoy. I'm almost out of darkshade with all my divine netches but I don't feel like I earned anything. I just feel like the knucklehead that wasted dozens of hours repeating content over and over. Title says it all. Just make it happen ZOS before you lose more than one fun and entertaining YouTuber in Nebraska. Ps to stop the trolls...I have beaten vma multiple times on a stamblade and no I don't care that someone could just buy or sell my gear I worked so hard at getting. Seriously...I do not care.

dido

Crafts_Many_Boxes · July 2017

This might be old fashioned of me, but I truly believe that certain gear should be locked behind difficult content. Should dungeon gear be sellable? Maybe, I could possibly be convinced if a really good argument were made. But not trial gear.

I think a smarter solution is to have an option to randomly re-trait gear by paying a fee to a special NPC. This would act as a gold sink, which I think is fine considering there aren't too many of those in the game right now aside from houses (which are cosmetic). This would help to alleviate RNG of drops within the current system and cause sharpened / divines not to dominate the market so heavily.

Merlin13KAGL · July 2017

Dymence wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

eso_nya wrote: »

Do math before grinding.
Figure out: Netch gives potentially +3,35% dps on everything shock and -8% on everything not shock compared to julianos.
That means, if everything u do is shock dmg and u pull 50k dps in julianos, upgrading to netch will allow u to pull 51.675 dps.
...
U dont believe me, right. Heres a cheap experiment:
1. Go to Eldenroot.
2. Buff up, note max magicka and tooltipdmg of a skill.
3. attack dark root, wait for buggs to spawn, kill blue bug, stand in blue goo left behind.
4. buff up
5. check max magicka and tooltip of same skill.
6. calculate: percentage of max magicka increase, percentage of tooltip increase.
The blue goo gives u ~30k max magicka, given necro only gives 4k, that boost should be insane, right?

Go over dropchances, statistical amount of runs needed until drop, time needed for run. calculate how long it will take u until u "should" get the item. factor in theres new content all 3 month.

Decide if it is still worth your time.

I do agree on more boe-stuff. Additionally, id like to see a better distribution of "better gear for harder content".

@eso_nya , spoiler to your spoiler...unless something's changed, the 'goo' increases regen, not max stat.

It increases both.

Since the dawn of age.

Indeed it does. Thankyou for that, @Dymence . Been in there 1000 times and never noticed the secondary effect.

br0steen · July 2017

Its funny when people talk about farming for bis gear and they finally get it and you're like "whats your dps now" and they're like "I finally hit 25k!"

Unless you are in a competitive trials guild trying to maintain top leaderboard positions, your gear isnt that huge of a deal if you can maintain a good rotation. And if you are in such a guild and such is your goal you probably wouldnt complaim on the forums about grinding gear.

Throw on some julianos and some will power and call it a day.

drake88131 · July 2017

br0steen wrote: »

Its funny when people talk about farming for bis gear and they finally get it and you're like "whats your dps now" and they're like "I finally hit 25k!"

Unless you are in a competitive trials guild trying to maintain top leaderboard positions, your gear isnt that huge of a deal if you can maintain a good rotation. And if you are in such a guild and such is your goal you probably wouldnt complaim on the forums about grinding gear.

Throw on some julianos and some will power and call it a day.

Lol so you're better than me and I'm obviously inferior to you because I stated an opinion on the forum. I feel compelled to respond to this sort of cyber bullying people instead of ideas. For the record I am in a great trials guild. I have been a "core" player for some time. With Morrowind the guild is trying to get certain set ups and dps of 35k for core members. My BSW isn't quite hitting it and I want to destroy that dps and I've found netch will work best with my lightning maelstrom staff and that's what I'm almost done doing. It sucked to do this again and want everyone to avoid. But thanks for insulting me. I'm also a fat ugly man in his 30s with a dead end job that drinks in the weekend still. Care to make fun of that? Or maybe my hair line?

Dymence · July 2017

drake88131 wrote: »

br0steen wrote: »

Its funny when people talk about farming for bis gear and they finally get it and you're like "whats your dps now" and they're like "I finally hit 25k!"

Unless you are in a competitive trials guild trying to maintain top leaderboard positions, your gear isnt that huge of a deal if you can maintain a good rotation. And if you are in such a guild and such is your goal you probably wouldnt complaim on the forums about grinding gear.

Throw on some julianos and some will power and call it a day.

Lol so you're better than me and I'm obviously inferior to you because I stated an opinion on the forum. I feel compelled to respond to this sort of cyber bullying people instead of ideas. For the record I am in a great trials guild. I have been a "core" player for some time. With Morrowind the guild is trying to get certain set ups and dps of 35k for core members. My BSW isn't quite hitting it and I want to destroy that dps and I've found netch will work best with my lightning maelstrom staff and that's what I'm almost done doing. It sucked to do this again and want everyone to avoid. But thanks for insulting me. I'm also a fat ugly man in his 30s with a dead end job that drinks in the weekend still. Care to make fun of that? Or maybe my hair line?

I'm assuming you're a sorc (netch and all), and as a sorc you're better off with running necropotence where you can, and julianos where you can't.

acw37162 · July 2017

What you on prob expect instead on bind on equip gear is they will redistribute raid gear to the dungeons and some dungeon gear to overland and remove some of the overland sets so we can start all over agin.

LiquidPony · July 2017

Huyen wrote: »

We had everything being BoE, and it didnt work. Thats why the current system is in place. And no, they wont change it.

Not really, at least, not in a way that is relevant.

When dungeons dropped BoE gear, cap was CP160 and most dungeons dropped CP140 gear. The dungeons that did drop CP160 gear (the DLC dungeons) have always been BoP.

We haven't had usable BoE gear in group PvE in ages, aside from Trials gear. And when Trials still dropped CP160 BoE gear (like Viper, Elegance, Akaviri Dragonguard, etc.), the game, IMO, was in a much better place. People actually wanted to try out raids just to farm gear, and people who raid "for a living" were actually able to fund their raid costs (potions, repairs, etc.) by selling that BoE gear. Now that Trials are all BoP, I have to sell my body to pay for Cornflower.

IMO it's absolutely ridiculous that you can get rich mindlessly running circles around a Public Dungeon, but you'll go broke progressing through Trials.

GreenhaloX · July 2017

Yes.. as what the title says! Also, same with training and prosperous trait item drops from bosses and from advanced/master chests; particularly when you have treasure hunter mode on!!

eso_nya · July 2017

drake88131 wrote: »

br0steen wrote: »

Its funny when people talk about farming for bis gear and they finally get it and you're like "whats your dps now" and they're like "I finally hit 25k!"

Unless you are in a competitive trials guild trying to maintain top leaderboard positions, your gear isnt that huge of a deal if you can maintain a good rotation. And if you are in such a guild and such is your goal you probably wouldnt complaim on the forums about grinding gear.

Throw on some julianos and some will power and call it a day.

Lol so you're better than me and I'm obviously inferior to you because I stated an opinion on the forum. I feel compelled to respond to this sort of cyber bullying people instead of ideas. For the record I am in a great trials guild. I have been a "core" player for some time. With Morrowind the guild is trying to get certain set ups and dps of 35k for core members. My BSW isn't quite hitting it and I want to destroy that dps and I've found netch will work best with my lightning maelstrom staff and that's what I'm almost done doing. It sucked to do this again and want everyone to avoid. But thanks for insulting me. I'm also a fat ugly man in his 30s with a dead end job that drinks in the weekend still. Care to make fun of that? Or maybe my hair line?

Comeon, no need to get rude here.
Both of u have a valid point, the rng behind grinding gear is plain stupid, thanks to deluted droplists. There have been tons of post about it. I basically agree on anything that would help out there, be it boe, transmog, reforge, traitbalancing.....

Otoh, the effect of the sets themself r overrated at best. You dont even need to crunch numbers, to see that:
A sharpened weapon grants more than 5k penetration. The strongest penetration set, namely tfs, grants a buff that stacks up to 5k over 5 seconds, but hey, thats 200!!! more than what u get as a passive for wearing pyjamas.
A precise weapon, gives the same critical rating than mothers sorrow 5pc and leviathan 5pc combined. There is no set, that is even remotely close to what u can get for 100 points into a cp star. There is no set that gives u a dmg boost compareable to the combination of ele drain and combat prayer.
If u crunch the numbers over the sets and their potential effect on your dps...well u figure out that it doesnt really matter which set u r using, and u start wondering why the hell u wasted the time on those calculations.

By flat numbers, netch is 1% better than bsw, but u cant really compare that, as wall of flames hits burning enemies 20% harder, u dont need bsw to proc burning, but the bsw proc works very convinient, as u get the 20% dmg increase, when u also get the spellpower increase. the downside, u can have a maximum of 66% uptime, while netch works all the time, but doesnt work on wall of flames. As the numbers r so freckin close, wall of flames w/ julianos is a valid choice over netch w/ wall of storm and bsw w/ *** uptime. But yet u will find tons of ppl telling u, that <random set> gives u a huuuge boost, and is a must have if u wanna do serious raiding.

One more akward example: On my mdk, i went up against the dummy, when i noticed, that la -> woe -> la -> inhale -> heavy attack until inhale goes off is not a valid rotaion, or even, not a rotation at all. i did an awesome 14k dps. over the next hour, i kept rebuilding my loadout again and again, added and dropped skills, got higher and lower dps. managed to find a good looking rotation i was able to sustain and ended up with 24k dps. I figured that good enough and stopped, also got bored^^ Point is: i increased my dps by 71%, without touching my gear. i did that the next day, dropped kena, elegance and julianos for llambris, julianos and 4xia, dps went up to 27k. That was a 12% dps increase, half of that id blame on being better to keep the dots up and better timing on ultis, also proccing kena over clipping woe animation is kinda clunky, doesnt work half the time in real combat.
i figured if i wasnt to cheap to use spellpowerpotions, and would practise the rota alot (which interfers with attention span xD), swap to fotm race, squeeze out that 2 or 3% from bis gear, i could get to 35k, healers and tank would do the rest to get me close to 50k.

Danksta · July 2017

If you don't do trials then why do you need BiS gear? For dungeons? Also pretty sure Necro is still BiS for sorcs.

Magıc · July 2017

Stovahkiin wrote: »

Having so many things be BoP is really crappy imo. I miss playing Runescape years ago and being able to trade 99% of anything and everything you got your grubby hands on.

The good old days. I wish the grand exchange was in ESO.

Dreyloch · July 2017

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Slack wrote: »

Well whenever I get a piece, I consider to potentially be decent at some point, I store it.
Got all the ebon, netch or BSW accessories this way, without having to farm. Only by pledges and random dungeons.

Just don't put a hassle on yourself, 1 piece of gear won't make or break you.

And yes : no to "everything BOE"
ESO is already way less restrictive in terms of gear making it bound to your character, compared to other games, where everything is BOP-characterbound

This is what I do. Much less stressful. Just wish I had remembered to do so with Bone Pirate..

I was in the same boat, had to re farm tons of that stuff. Still don't have any decent weapons.

But tbh, that set was so utterly useless before that new drink came around, that you'd totally be wasting space to hold any of it back then.

Malamar1229 · July 2017

Well for one, it would do a lot of good for the otherwise stagnant ESO economy

hal2031 · July 2017

Is there really that many mini/maxer out there. Do u really need to have all the right trait or can u live with other 1. Let's say u want your gear divine and u get some impen/decisive/reinforced for example do u feel frustrated. Or ok i want a maelstrom arena staff sharpened would u consider a sharpened staff but from a different set would you consider equipping it in the mean time. After all most mmo out there have bis gear bind of pickup it's nothing new. Best in slot is suppose to be hard to get otherwise it becomes p2w when anybody can buy their way to the best gear.

LiquidPony · July 2017

hal2031 wrote: »

Is there really that many mini/maxer out there. Do u really need to have all the right trait or can u live with other 1. Let's say u want your gear divine and u get some impen/decisive/reinforced for example do u feel frustrated. Or ok i want a maelstrom arena staff sharpened would u consider a sharpened staff but from a different set would you consider equipping it in the mean time. After all most mmo out there have bis gear bind of pickup it's nothing new. Best in slot is suppose to be hard to get otherwise it becomes p2w when anybody can buy their way to the best gear.

...

The amount of butchering of the term "P2W" on this forum amazes me every day.

Buying things with in-game gold is not P2W.

Why is BiS "supposed to be" hard to get? Who decided that? BiS for sorcs is Necropotence, that's super easy to get. BiS for tanks was Tava's for a long time, and TBS for DPS ... crafted sets aren't hard to get.

It makes sense that BiS gear can be locked behind a difficulty gate, e.g., you need to complete Trials to get Aether or VO or whatever. But further locking gear behind atrocious RNG isn't about being "fair" or about making it "hard to get" because it's BiS. It's hard to get Eternal Yokeda in all the right traits but no one wants that garbage.

ESO itemization is set up the way it is so that you have to play more to get the gear you want. Same reason, probably, that you can't mass-craft potions or easily search guild stores. Half of this game is built around ZOS wanting to force you to spend a lot of time doing things that don't need to take a lot of time, just so you spend more time playing the game.

The thing is ... if gear was BoE, people would run content to sell/trade the gear, rather than to farm it for themselves.

IMO ZOS is afraid that removing these little things that artificially inflate playtime will result in people not playing the game. I don't agree with that.

NukeAllTheThings · July 2017

hal2031 wrote: »

Is there really that many mini/maxer out there. Do u really need to have all the right trait or can u live with other 1. Let's say u want your gear divine and u get some impen/decisive/reinforced for example do u feel frustrated. Or ok i want a maelstrom arena staff sharpened would u consider a sharpened staff but from a different set would you consider equipping it in the mean time. After all most mmo out there have bis gear bind of pickup it's nothing new. Best in slot is suppose to be hard to get otherwise it becomes p2w when anybody can buy their way to the best gear.

Hard to get when it is stuck behind difficult content is one thing. It is a completely different animal when it stuck behind mind numbingly easy content and crappy RNG. Most of the BiS gear isn't difficult to get. It is just a boring tedious grind doing the same thing over and over and over and over again.

DivinityDay · July 2017

drake88131 wrote: »

I don't care that a noob can just get lots of gold and buy BiS gear. I don't care that some idiot scum is out there farming it and making real world money off of it or some idiot is buying it for real world money. I don't care that some elitists would be upset. I just want to be able to play my favorite game without spending useless hours trying to get BiS gear...again so I can enjoy more time doing other things. Like...shocker...playing my free time after work on a game I enjoy. I'm almost out of darkshade with all my divine netches but I don't feel like I earned anything. I just feel like the knucklehead that wasted dozens of hours repeating content over and over. Title says it all. Just make it happen ZOS before you lose more than one fun and entertaining YouTuber in Nebraska. Ps to stop the trolls...I have beaten vma multiple times on a stamblade and no I don't care that someone could just buy or sell my gear I worked so hard at getting. Seriously...I do not care.

Hater.

fioskal · July 2017

I would absolutely love to be able to sell BiS gear that I just don't need and buy *** that I do. Good income source for those who don't mind farming, a way to avoid potentially hundreds of hours running the same dungeon for those that do. I really dislike BoP (also, all the bank/inventory space it takes up, I would love to put some stuff in my guild bank or on a different account).

NyassaV · July 2017

Everyone asks for a token system, if you remove these constraints, gold is a perfect token system

josiahva · July 2017

I agree with the OP. I dont care if some noob spends 5 million gold to buy BiS stuff, it makes no difference to me...good for the noob, it doesnt affect me at all. For instance right now I am farming Spriggans jewelry(and hopefully a weapon) from chest in Bangkorai all as an alternate set for my tank to swap to when I need to add some DPS in fights like a pug group with low DPS fighting Grobull or Drodda. Spriggans is available on just about every guild trader out there...but I dont feel like paying ridiculous prices, so I am farming in the slow way. I could pay 300k(or less) and have everything I need, but why? I can still farm it while not doing other things, so the argument that the game becomes pay to win because things are BoE is completely false. People will still run the content...people will still farm, BoE would simply provide an alternative for those people who are impatient to get what they want. People shouldnt be forced to run vet VoM 500 times to find a rattlecage resto staff, all that does is make people hate that dungeon and not want to ever play it again after they finally get what they want from it. The same applies to vMA. People should play content because they enjoy it...not because they have to grind it 1000 times to find what they need. If you want to keep it BoP, thats fine...just make a trait change option available at the least...or better yet a re-forge option where you could reforge say a 2 handed sword into a 1 handed sword as long as the material type was the same...metal to metal, cloth to cloth, wood to wood.

IcyDeadPeople · July 2017

josiahva wrote: »

Spriggans is available on just about every guild trader out there...but I dont feel like paying ridiculous prices, so I am farming in the slow way.

This set is pretty cheap except for sharpened weapons: divines impen

josiahva · July 2017

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

josiahva wrote: »

Spriggans is available on just about every guild trader out there...but I dont feel like paying ridiculous prices, so I am farming in the slow way.

This set is pretty cheap except for sharpened weapons: divines impen

By weapons of course I mean I want sharpened. I don't know the average price of jewelry for Spriggans, but a quick glance at a guild trader I was at the other days was a necklace posted at 60k...I saw that price and decided I had better farm them instead. I am sure most necks are not 60k, but I didn't research further but I am guessing sharpened weapons will be the usual 200k. Enough to make farming them a more attractive option. I wasnt interested in armor pieces at all(though they are cheap) since I am just using an old gold set of Hunding's Rage for that.