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Proc sets need to go!!!
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NBrookus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »Ectheliontnacil wrote: »Heres a link to blobs magicka proctard build, it shows just how broken procs are:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtP4ubdSseM
Just to be clear, I absolutely respect and like Blobs. But not this particular build^^
Pretty much describes the state of ESO atm. in one video. Lol 2 sec proc. I can't even and won't
I think its more of an issue with force pulse (that tri destro move) giving a 30% chance to proc RM instead of 10% per cast. Just an oversight on zos's part. They didnt expext a magicka class to use a stamina set.
Kind of like how shield breaker procs 4 times with lightning staff heavies. Not purposely intended.
A change to Red Mointain would be to make it only work on stamina/physical weapon attacks, since it´s a stamina set. Or at least it was intented as a stamina set with the 2-4 piece bonuses. Think this set was meant for stamina DK`s back when DK`s didn´t were "Poison Knights" but that´s just a guess.
It would be a very good set for mag DKs and magicka dunmers of all classes if they converted it to a magicka set.0 -
GreenSoup2HoT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@FearlessOne_2014 By your logic since magicka has burst shields stamina should have them.PS4 NA DC1 -
br0steen✭✭✭✭You know what would be hilarious is if zos decided to take the shieldbreaker approach to proc sets. Something like....
New heavy armor set: cheesegrinder
2pc max health
3pc max magicka
4pc max stamina
5pc recieving proc damage returns oblivion damage equal to 200% of proc users non ability based damage done. This can happen up to 3 times every 1 second.
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FearlessOne_2014✭✭✭✭✭
✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »@FearlessOne_2014 By your logic since magicka has burst shields stamina should have them.
Sure if magicka get dodge rolling sprint, and CC break cost coming from it's magicka pool instead of stamina pool. And also if cloak receive a cost increase factor to it. I'll say that should about wrap it up. Don't you agree that it would be balanced?0 -
Ectheliontnacil✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »Ectheliontnacil wrote: »Heres a link to blobs magicka proctard build, it shows just how broken procs are:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtP4ubdSseM
Just to be clear, I absolutely respect and like Blobs. But not this particular build^^
Pretty much describes the state of ESO atm. in one video. Lol 2 sec proc. I can't even and won't
I think its more of an issue with force pulse (that tri destro move) giving a 30% chance to proc RM instead of 10% per cast. Just an oversight on zos's part. They didnt expext a magicka class to use a stamina set.
Kind of like how shield breaker procs 4 times with lightning staff heavies. Not purposely intended.
You only want a magicka nerf, a nerf to the sorcerers using the red mountain set. That wont change a thing, I just posted this video to show how broken procs are in general, now that even magicka sorcs use them. Proc sets on stamina users are still much worse, as players often stack multiple proc sets on stam builds.
The problem isn't crushing shock. Can you guess what the problem is? :P (check the title of the discussion)
The problem are proc sets!
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Ectheliontnacil✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You know what would be hilarious is if zos decided to take the shieldbreaker approach to proc sets. Something like....
New heavy armor set: cheesegrinder
2pc max health
3pc max magicka
4pc max stamina
5pc recieving proc damage returns oblivion damage equal to 200% of proc users non ability based damage done. This can happen up to 3 times every 1 second.
Hahahah love the idea! I'd run that set on all of my chars. Just imagine getting ganked off your horse and seeing how the proctard gets vaporised instead
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Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
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A lot of assumptions in that response...FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »Ectheliontnacil wrote: »Heres a link to blobs magicka proctard build, it shows just how broken procs are:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtP4ubdSseM
Just to be clear, I absolutely respect and like Blobs. But not this particular build^^
Pretty much describes the state of ESO atm. in one video. Lol 2 sec proc. I can't even and won't
I think its more of an issue with force pulse (that tri destro move) giving a 30% chance to proc RM instead of 10% per cast. Just an oversight on zos's part. They didnt expext a magicka class to use a stamina set.
Kind of like how shield breaker procs 4 times with lightning staff heavies. Not purposely intended.
A change to Red Mointain would be to make it only work on stamina/physical weapon attacks, since it´s a stamina set. Or at least it was intented as a stamina set with the 2-4 piece bonuses. Think this set was meant for stamina DK`s back when DK`s didn´t were "Poison Knights" but that´s just a guess.
Honestly I think this set should work for both magicka and stamina. Stamina has enoth sets as it is. And since ZOS is no longer trying to balance this game. Why not give the magicka users a bone or two to be cool like the stamina users? Are you saying that Stamina users should be the only users afforded the luxury of bursting players down with just gear procs? I'm afraid that you are going to have to just deal with this. As magicka users had/have to deal with Viper, Seleens, and Veli.
Or yall can hop on the Anti Proc train and call for all proc sets to be nerfed. When used against players.
So do you want balance, or do you want stamina to be the only ones proc killing? You are now going to have to put your intentions clear now. Do you just want effortless free kills? Or do you want skill-based combat to return?
Just words from a now outsider speaking in.
This was purely a suggestion to that set only.....nothing more, nothing less. No need to make assumptions that involves all other proc-sets, since I haven´t mentioned or talked about other proc-sets.
So do you want balance, or do you want stamina to be the only ones proc killing? You are now going to have to put your intentions clear now. Do you just want effortless free kills? Or do you want skill-based combat to return?
To answer the question above: I´m not here to fix the game or balance the game, there´re employees on ZOS to deal with that. Do I want balance? Sure that would be nice, not going to argue against that. And why do I have to put my intensions clear??? I´m not a developer tha should/need to justify Changes to the game so I don´t need to do anything...
The defenition of "skill-based combat" will differ depending on who you´re asking, so unless we agree on a common defenition we´re going to have a hard time to discuss this.
Think I´ve written it Before, but I don´t Think there´s an overall/global fix to proc-sets, at least no change that is good for PvE and PvP. ZOS needs to look at each individual damaging proc-set and tweak/change tooltips and/or how they work.0 -
GreenSoup2HoT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ectheliontnacil wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »Ectheliontnacil wrote: »Heres a link to blobs magicka proctard build, it shows just how broken procs are:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtP4ubdSseM
Just to be clear, I absolutely respect and like Blobs. But not this particular build^^
Pretty much describes the state of ESO atm. in one video. Lol 2 sec proc. I can't even and won't
I think its more of an issue with force pulse (that tri destro move) giving a 30% chance to proc RM instead of 10% per cast. Just an oversight on zos's part. They didnt expext a magicka class to use a stamina set.
Kind of like how shield breaker procs 4 times with lightning staff heavies. Not purposely intended.
You only want a magicka nerf, a nerf to the sorcerers using the red mountain set. That wont change a thing, I just posted this video to show how broken procs are in general, now that even magicka sorcs use them. Proc sets on stamina users are still much worse, as players often stack multiple proc sets on stam builds.
The problem isn't crushing shock. Can you guess what the problem is? :P (check the title of the discussion)
The problem are proc sets!
Proc sets are issues yes. Ive ststed so ever since velidrith came out. Then one tamriel hit and well... proc sets were all over.
Proc sets need weapon/spell damage with crtical chance scaling. That way you actually need damage for them to be effective. No max stat builds either.
I made a 100k hp nightblade and just let seleane kill people lol. Balanced!Edited by GreenSoup2HoT on June 22, 2017 6:24PMPS4 NA DC0 -
akray21✭✭✭✭✭I'll use procs as long as I'm CP 375 and I'm going up against CP 630 players... CP is stupid.0
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MalakithAlamahdi✭✭✭✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Ectheliontnacil wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »Ectheliontnacil wrote: »Heres a link to blobs magicka proctard build, it shows just how broken procs are:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtP4ubdSseM
Just to be clear, I absolutely respect and like Blobs. But not this particular build^^
Pretty much describes the state of ESO atm. in one video. Lol 2 sec proc. I can't even and won't
I think its more of an issue with force pulse (that tri destro move) giving a 30% chance to proc RM instead of 10% per cast. Just an oversight on zos's part. They didnt expext a magicka class to use a stamina set.
Kind of like how shield breaker procs 4 times with lightning staff heavies. Not purposely intended.
You only want a magicka nerf, a nerf to the sorcerers using the red mountain set. That wont change a thing, I just posted this video to show how broken procs are in general, now that even magicka sorcs use them. Proc sets on stamina users are still much worse, as players often stack multiple proc sets on stam builds.
The problem isn't crushing shock. Can you guess what the problem is? :P (check the title of the discussion)
The problem are proc sets!
Proc sets are issues yes. Ive ststed so ever since velidrith came out. Then one tamriel hit and well... proc sets were all over.
Proc sets need weapon/spell damage with crtical chance scaling. That way you actually need damage for them to be effective. No max stat builds either.
I made a 100k hp nightblade and just let seleane kill people lol. Balanced!
100k Hp? How did you even get that much lol0 -
olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭A new monster set in the next dlc would be awesome.
1Pc: 1000 impenetrable.
2Pc: You cannot be harmed by proccsets and whenever a procc hits you, you will gain 10 ultimate.
Adds 1064 Max Health.
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Kram8ion✭✭✭✭✭
✭One video doesn't justify a nerf to anything with such a huge amount of variables to considerAussie lag is real!0 -
GreenSoup2HoT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Ectheliontnacil wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »Ectheliontnacil wrote: »Heres a link to blobs magicka proctard build, it shows just how broken procs are:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtP4ubdSseM
Just to be clear, I absolutely respect and like Blobs. But not this particular build^^
Pretty much describes the state of ESO atm. in one video. Lol 2 sec proc. I can't even and won't
I think its more of an issue with force pulse (that tri destro move) giving a 30% chance to proc RM instead of 10% per cast. Just an oversight on zos's part. They didnt expext a magicka class to use a stamina set.
Kind of like how shield breaker procs 4 times with lightning staff heavies. Not purposely intended.
You only want a magicka nerf, a nerf to the sorcerers using the red mountain set. That wont change a thing, I just posted this video to show how broken procs are in general, now that even magicka sorcs use them. Proc sets on stamina users are still much worse, as players often stack multiple proc sets on stam builds.
The problem isn't crushing shock. Can you guess what the problem is? :P (check the title of the discussion)
The problem are proc sets!
Proc sets are issues yes. Ive ststed so ever since velidrith came out. Then one tamriel hit and well... proc sets were all over.
Proc sets need weapon/spell damage with crtical chance scaling. That way you actually need damage for them to be effective. No max stat builds either.
I made a 100k hp nightblade and just let seleane kill people lol. Balanced!
100k Hp? How did you even get that much lol
Just put everything into health.
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WrongProcblades almost always get more kills in deathmatch then magsorcs do even with execute spam. Don't really know why people still complain about sorcs. They are extremely easy to counter with shieldbreaker and oblivion enchant on stamina and knightslayer and oblivion enchant on magicka.
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Killset✭✭✭✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »@FearlessOne_2014 By your logic since magicka has burst shields stamina should have them.
Sure if magicka get dodge rolling sprint, and CC break cost coming from it's magicka pool instead of stamina pool. And also if cloak receive a cost increase factor to it. I'll say that should about wrap it up. Don't you agree that it would be balanced?
I think it's pretty clear you have an agenda against stamina and nightblades lol. Sorcs DOMINATED nearly every aspect of this game last patch. MagDK's were extremely powerful in PvE and were monsters in duels. Block tank magplars were extremely powerful in their own right. This patch, all three of the classes I just mentioned are STILL very strong. You can have your cloak cost increase as soon as hardened ward, and Breath of Life get the same treatment.
I have never said this in any thread, but after watching some of the videos you posted, calling them "successful outings" you might need to examine your own abilities.
If I had my way, proc sets would be gone. But the classes that are left behind will have to be examined closely because some are still inherently, extremely overpowered. It's for this reason alone I hope ZOS takes a slow and careful approach to this.
On a side note, I find it kind of funny the way people confuse the forum community with the ESO community. I would guess the forum community only comprises a fraction of a fraction of the ESO community. In every sense, the forum community is the extremely vocal minority.
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Ectheliontnacil✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Would be really cool to get some dev feedback on this thread ^^ So just spam comments until they respond
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Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Oh look, Selene in this weeks golden vendor shop. I do wonder if they give us a hint with this.0 -
Ectheliontnacil✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Oh look, Selene in this weeks golden vendor shop. I do wonder if they give us a hint with this.
Lol no need to mention it on the forums ^^ now all proctards have impen selene!0 -
Zbigb4life✭✭✭✭Ectheliontnacil wrote: »(From a pvp perspective):
With the sustain changes that came with Morrowind, proc sets are more of an issue than ever. Since it's harder to sustain, builds had to sacrifice some damage so they wouldn't run out of resources. Here proc sets with their "Build your character as tanky and sustainable as possible cuz with a proc set you hit hard anyway" attitude come as a godsend. They are now stupidly op, especially in no cp environements like battlegrounds.
Proc sets need to be nerfed or removed from the game, because at this point it's hard to play successfully without them.
Imo some of the worst proc sets that need to be addressed asap are:
vipers sting
selene
tremorscale
and velidreth
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gepe87✭✭✭✭✭
✭Another day, another nerf/remove post.
Well, if you can't kill him/her just let it go and try another, maybe you will have luck.
I also feel bad to been killed by viper, skoria, ilambris, etc. But I also get satisfied with my kills with skoria, so I'm in that shamed group of proc users.
It's war, you kill and die.Edited by gepe87 on August 9, 2017 11:16AMGepe, Dunmer MagSorc Pact Grand Overlord | Gaepe, Bosmer MagSorc Dominion General
If you see edits on my replies: typos. English isn't my main language0 -
Ectheliontnacil✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@gepe87Another day, another nerf/remove post.
Well, if you can't kill him/her just let it go and try another, maybe you will have luck.
I also feel bad to been killed by viper, skoria, ilambris, etc. But I also get satisfied with my kills with skoria, so I'm in that shamed group of proc users.
It's war, you kill and die.
Hahah just try another? That's not how pvp should have to look like.
In any event, proc sets are getting nerfed to the ground, they will (for the most part) be irrelevant in pvp now. Devs have listened I suppose, so big thanks to ZENIMAX.
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SugaComa✭✭✭✭✭One idea I thought of to help balance and stop stacking proc sets was to give set prices an hierarchy
So head heats the tier 1
If it's part of a complete proc set that's being worn then that is the proc set in use. all other sets worn will not proc,
If it doesn't complete a set it moves to the chest ..this is tier 2
If that piece is part of a complete proc set it will only proc as long the head piece is not pelaet of a complete set being worn
Essentially only allowing 1 proc set to be worn
Granted this could be over ridden by making wepaons part of proc sets so you could where two sets but they would only proc if you swapped weapons
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Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ectheliontnacil wrote: »@gepe87Another day, another nerf/remove post.
Well, if you can't kill him/her just let it go and try another, maybe you will have luck.
I also feel bad to been killed by viper, skoria, ilambris, etc. But I also get satisfied with my kills with skoria, so I'm in that shamed group of proc users.
It's war, you kill and die.
Hahah just try another? That's not how pvp should have to look like.
In any event, proc sets are getting nerfed to the ground, they will (for the most part) be irrelevant in pvp now. Devs have listened I suppose, so big thanks to ZENIMAX.
Neither are they nerfed to the ground nor are they irrelevant. Don't hold your hopes too high just yet, people will still be running around with multiple proc sets next week.0 -
Koensol✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Skoria will be absolute BiS next patch for pvp. It is already too strong in my opinion. Yesterday I was literally instagibbed by the following combo:
Curse, light attack, skoria proc, endless fury (most ridiculous skill in the game). The damage literally all popped at once. I mean how can anyone defend this kind of nonsense? Burst procs in itself are very strong already, but in combination with a queued up burst from a sorc, it is completely ridiculous. All he had to do was cast curse, mages wrath and light attack. It's just cast and forget gameplay. I am a stamnb so I know im squishy, but this isn't right.Edited by Koensol on August 10, 2017 10:53AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭Skoria will be absolute BiS next patch for pvp. It is already too strong in my opinion. Yesterday I was literally instagibbed by the following combo:
Curse, light attack, skoria proc, endless fury (most ridiculous skill in the game). The damage literally all popped at once. I mean how can anyone defend this kind of nonsense? Burst procs in itself are very strong already, but in combination with a queued up burst from a sorc, it is completely ridiculous. All he had to do was cast curse, mages wrath and light attack. It's just cast and forget gameplay. I am a stamnb so I know im squishy, but this isn't right.
How'd that work? Scoria only procs from dots, and none of those abilities are dots. In fact PVP sorcs have very few dots (if any) making Scotia a poor choice
Minalan owes me a beer.
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Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Skoria will be absolute BiS next patch for pvp. It is already too strong in my opinion. Yesterday I was literally instagibbed by the following combo:
Curse, light attack, skoria proc, endless fury (most ridiculous skill in the game). The damage literally all popped at once. I mean how can anyone defend this kind of nonsense? Burst procs in itself are very strong already, but in combination with a queued up burst from a sorc, it is completely ridiculous. All he had to do was cast curse, mages wrath and light attack. It's just cast and forget gameplay. I am a stamnb so I know im squishy, but this isn't right.
How'd that work? Scoria only procs from dots, and none of those abilities are dots. In fact PVP sorcs have very few dots (if any) making Scotia a poor choice
That is what I asked myself. If he'd take a look into the "nerf skoria" thread he might get a clue about skoria and how it is anything but overperforming compared to other proc sets.0 -
Koensol✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Skoria will be absolute BiS next patch for pvp. It is already too strong in my opinion. Yesterday I was literally instagibbed by the following combo:
Curse, light attack, skoria proc, endless fury (most ridiculous skill in the game). The damage literally all popped at once. I mean how can anyone defend this kind of nonsense? Burst procs in itself are very strong already, but in combination with a queued up burst from a sorc, it is completely ridiculous. All he had to do was cast curse, mages wrath and light attack. It's just cast and forget gameplay. I am a stamnb so I know im squishy, but this isn't right.
How'd that work? Scoria only procs from dots, and none of those abilities are dots. In fact PVP sorcs have very few dots (if any) making Scotia a poor choice
Guys, I know how skoria works. I just figured curse would act as the dot? If it's not, then I don't know what triggered it. Im just telling you what I saw on death recap, and that it all happened within about 1 second. The bigger point is just that procs make it too easy to stack burst and combined with a class that already has insane and easy to pull ofd burst (sorc), it just becomes ridiculously OP. But I agree it would work better on a DK or any other build that utilizes dots.Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »
That is what I asked myself. If he'd take a look into the "nerf skoria" thread he might get a clue about skoria and how it is anything but overperforming compared to other proc sets.Skoria will be absolute BiS next patch for pvp. It is already too strong in my opinion. Yesterday I was literally instagibbed by the following combo:
Curse, light attack, skoria proc, endless fury (most ridiculous skill in the game). The damage literally all popped at once. I mean how can anyone defend this kind of nonsense? Burst procs in itself are very strong already, but in combination with a queued up burst from a sorc, it is completely ridiculous. All he had to do was cast curse, mages wrath and light attack. It's just cast and forget gameplay. I am a stamnb so I know im squishy, but this isn't right.
How'd that work? Scoria only procs from dots, and none of those abilities are dots. In fact PVP sorcs have very few dots (if any) making Scotia a poor choice
Edited by Koensol on August 10, 2017 12:55PM0 -
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✭Skoria will be absolute BiS next patch for pvp. It is already too strong in my opinion. Yesterday I was literally instagibbed by the following combo:
Curse, light attack, skoria proc, endless fury (most ridiculous skill in the game). The damage literally all popped at once. I mean how can anyone defend this kind of nonsense? Burst procs in itself are very strong already, but in combination with a queued up burst from a sorc, it is completely ridiculous. All he had to do was cast curse, mages wrath and light attack. It's just cast and forget gameplay. I am a stamnb so I know im squishy, but this isn't right.
You could have cloaked and skoria would've miss completely. You have about 2 seconds before it lands. Listen for the audio que and hit cloak as the meteor gets closer. Amorous is strong only when used by good players who can line up a burst combo with cc as skoria lands. Weapon enchants like flame damage can proc skoria as well as poisons0