Proc sets need to go!!!

Trashkan

I don't think they need to go but they need to be changed. I keep running into this nb who hits me with all these procs before his animation for incapacitating strike even hits me. Boom 24k dmg in under 1/2 a second. Two viper procs and a selenes proc.

Trashkan

P.s my internet and system are up too snuff.

GreenSoup2HoT

Trashkan wrote: »

P.s my internet and system are up too snuff.

Two viper procs should be impossible within a 4 second cooldown. Either a deathrecap bug or the set is bugged.

Trashkan

Also I have taken a few screenshots of this but the viper proc is hitting before the melee damage. Might be a bug with death recap too though.

I was fighting a sorc during a capture the flag match I lost the battle and died but right after I died a player came flying in with a crit rush I looked at the death recap and viper had proced from the other player but no crit rush. So I died from his viper proc without him showing up to the battle and without any other ability hitting me at least any melee damage hitting me.

MalakithAlamahdi

Didn't battle spirit cut damage by 20% and slightly buff heals? Why don't they just apply something like that to proc sets, a 6k hit will be a 3k hit. The problem imo is that their damage is based on pve and not scaled to the damage values of pvp very well. Cut them by 50% or something along those lines and they'll be less overpowered but still useful.

Ectheliontnacil

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Trashkan wrote: »

P.s my internet and system are up too snuff.

Two viper procs should be impossible within a 4 second cooldown. Either a deathrecap bug or the set is bugged.

I get 2 viper procs on my recap too. However when I check my ftc combat log it never procs twice within 4 seconds so I guess its a death recap bug

Dottzgaming

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

(From a pvp perspective):

With the sustain changes that came with Morrowind, proc sets are more of an issue than ever. Since it's harder to sustain, builds had to sacrifice some damage so they wouldn't run out of resources. Here proc sets with their "Build your character as tanky and sustainable as possible cuz with a proc set you hit hard anyway" attitude come as a godsend. They are now stupidly op, especially in no cp environements like battlegrounds.

Proc sets need to be nerfed or removed from the game, because at this point it's hard to play successfully without them.

Imo some of the worst proc sets that need to be addressed asap are:

vipers sting
selene
tremorscale
and velidreth

Agree with your list here. Really hope this is addressed in the near future

Czirne

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Trashkan wrote: »

P.s my internet and system are up too snuff.

Two viper procs should be impossible within a 4 second cooldown. Either a deathrecap bug or the set is bugged.

I get 2 viper procs on my recap too. However when I check my ftc combat log it never procs twice within 4 seconds so I guess its a death recap bug

I do not have this confirmed, but I believe death recap shows biggest hits and hit that killed you rather that latest hits.

Vanzen

Nb with proc sets are ruining BG.

It negates any tactic, skill or whatever.

It takes any interest or fun out of BG.

Whats the point of trying to improve your game play vs Critrush/Viper/Incap/Selene. No cp increases tenfold the power of this combination.

I cant understand how any dev who has played a BG vs NB can let this nonsense going on.

Last BG I did, there was 6Nb for 11players. And more and more are pouring in.

Ectheliontnacil

Vanzen wrote: »

Nb with proc sets are ruining BG.

It negates any tactic, skill or whatever.

It takes any interest or fun out of BG.

Whats the point of trying to improve your game play vs Critrush/Viper/Incap/Selene. No cp increases tenfold the power of this combination.

I cant understand how any dev who has played a BG vs NB can let this nonsense going on.

Last BG I did, there was 6Nb for 11players. And more and more are pouring in.

True, Battlegrounds are Proc-City at the moment. And I get why: The basic selene, viper, eternal hunt setup that nightblades run allows them to gank you and then run away with everybody getting rooted by eternal hunt runes.

That build is basically unkillable if played by a decent player and at the same time capable of killing most other players with one simple combo...

Strider_Roshin

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Vanzen wrote: »

Nb with proc sets are ruining BG.

It negates any tactic, skill or whatever.

It takes any interest or fun out of BG.

Whats the point of trying to improve your game play vs Critrush/Viper/Incap/Selene. No cp increases tenfold the power of this combination.

I cant understand how any dev who has played a BG vs NB can let this nonsense going on.

Last BG I did, there was 6Nb for 11players. And more and more are pouring in.

True, Battlegrounds are Proc-City at the moment. And I get why: The basic selene, viper, eternal hunt setup that nightblades run allows them to gank you and then run away with everybody getting rooted by eternal hunt runes.

That build is basically unkillable if played by a decent player and at the same time capable of killing most other players with one simple combo...

Nah the build is annoying, but not unkillable. Heavy DW Proc DKs on the other hand...

Ectheliontnacil

@Strider_Roshin

At least we agree on the fact that procs are broken and yes dw dks are really bad too

Aiphaton

SHHHH DONT SCARE THE CASUALS...
Proc = Skill

Guys if i dont oneshoot an enemy with ambush im not a good Nightblade..
Its just stupid...

Ambush will hit with 4k or more
Oblivion Glyph 2,5k instant dmg
Viper 6k dmg
Selenes 12-18k dmg

And i still have 2,8 stam regen and can nearly oneshoot evrything with an 2,6k weapon dmg nightblade...
Sounds fair

GeorgeBlack

Excacly. High stam regen, low ridiculous low weapon dmg.
How do you deal dmg? Proc armors.

Proc users can't kill anyone The game kills their enemies. Git gud or stay with procs till the next meta.

ChunkyCat

Well, when the game changes, players will adapt and figure out the best way to pvp... again.

Right now, proc sets are the game.

Cogo

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

(From a pvp perspective):

With the sustain changes that came with Morrowind, proc sets are more of an issue than ever. Since it's harder to sustain, builds had to sacrifice some damage so they wouldn't run out of resources. Here proc sets with their "Build your character as tanky and sustainable as possible cuz with a proc set you hit hard anyway" attitude come as a godsend. They are now stupidly op, especially in no cp environements like battlegrounds.

Proc sets need to be nerfed or removed from the game, because at this point it's hard to play successfully without them.

Imo some of the worst proc sets that need to be addressed asap are:

vipers sting
selene
tremorscale
and velidreth

Why is it, that some people always looks for any solution by changing the game......and not their own play?

I don't look to sound rude, but why are some people so set on changing other things, then what they can do in themselves?

Ectheliontnacil

Cogo wrote: »

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

(From a pvp perspective):

With the sustain changes that came with Morrowind, proc sets are more of an issue than ever. Since it's harder to sustain, builds had to sacrifice some damage so they wouldn't run out of resources. Here proc sets with their "Build your character as tanky and sustainable as possible cuz with a proc set you hit hard anyway" attitude come as a godsend. They are now stupidly op, especially in no cp environements like battlegrounds.

Proc sets need to be nerfed or removed from the game, because at this point it's hard to play successfully without them.

Imo some of the worst proc sets that need to be addressed asap are:

vipers sting
selene
tremorscale
and velidreth

Why is it, that some people always looks for any solution by changing the game......and not their own play?

I don't look to sound rude, but why are some people so set on changing other things, then what they can do in themselves?

Proctard speaking?

I am sorry but you triggered me! The only thing you can do about it is joining the proc meta. The added damage you gain outstrips damage sets like spriggans, hundings rage, necro, BSW by a large margin. Selenes dps is the equivalent of like 1k weapon damage, don't tell me you can just play differently and counter it.

ChunkyCat

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Proctard speaking?

I am sorry but you triggered me! The only thing you can do about it is joining the proc meta. The added damage you gain outstrips damage sets like spriggans, hundings rage, necro, BSW by a large margin. Selenes dps is the equivalent of like 1k weapon damage, don't tell me you can just play differently and counter it.

Soooo, let me get this straight...

The game is designed a certain way, with these gear sets that "proc" a lot of damage. BUT... that's not fair because those proc sets do more damage than other sets.

Ok.

The game is obviously way too unfair.

Ectheliontnacil

@Yoohoo4411

Yoohoo4411 wrote: »

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Proctard speaking?

I am sorry but you triggered me! The only thing you can do about it is joining the proc meta. The added damage you gain outstrips damage sets like spriggans, hundings rage, necro, BSW by a large margin. Selenes dps is the equivalent of like 1k weapon damage, don't tell me you can just play differently and counter it.

Soooo, let me get this straight...

The game is designed a certain way, with these gear sets that "proc" a lot of damage. BUT... that's not fair because those proc sets do more damage than other sets.

Ok.

The game is obviously way too unfair.

If youre not going to be constructive about this, then dont comment at all. You ramble on about proc sets being fair, from this I can only conclude that you missed my point entirely.
The problem with proc sets isnt even, that they greatly increase dps, it is that they do a ton of instant damage when they proc, which allows players to have broken amounts of burst dmg. Please read the rest of the discussion, there are many other issues with procs, I hope you agree with my reasoning

Ectheliontnacil

@Yoohoo4411
Look I get how you can see it the way you do from a pve perspective . But in pvp proc sets really destroy the game...

Gilvoth

i hope they remove proc sets from eso, i really do.
proc set ruin PvP.

Strider_Roshin

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i hope they remove proc sets from eso, i really do.
proc set ruin PvP.

This is very true.

I enjoy PvE, but in this game it gets stale pretty quick. Which is why I primarily play this game for the PvP.

With that said the PvP is so broken in this game that I'm discouraged from even participating.

So now I'm just decorating my house, and waiting for the next dlc to come out, and hold me over until Monster Hunter World comes out next year.

GeorgeBlack

Dealing damage passively because of you armor is wrong in such a game. Why can't you see this?

I would go as far as to say that procs shouldn't be suitable not even for tanks.
If you are a tank you should make me use my resources and kill me slowly. Not burst me down because of passive damage.

One more time. No to proc damage gear sets.

GreenSoup2HoT

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i hope they remove proc sets from eso, i really do.
proc set ruin PvP.

proc sets dont ruin pvp as much as the forum cry babies who get things changed that effect the whole game instead of the problem.

Ectheliontnacil

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i hope they remove proc sets from eso, i really do.
proc set ruin PvP.

This is very true.

I enjoy PvE, but in this game it gets stale pretty quick. Which is why I primarily play this game for the PvP.

With that said the PvP is so broken in this game that I'm discouraged from even participating.

So now I'm just decorating my house, and waiting for the next dlc to come out, and hold me over until Monster Hunter World comes out next year.

Hahah the problem is I cant afford to decorate my house so i need pvp to get fixed, otherwise i cant do anything XD

Ectheliontnacil

Heres a link to blobs magicka proctard build, it shows just how broken procs are:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtP4ubdSseM
Just to be clear, I absolutely respect and like Blobs. But not this particular build^^

FearlessOne_2014

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Heres a link to blobs magicka proctard build, it shows just how broken procs are:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtP4ubdSseM
Just to be clear, I absolutely respect and like Blobs. But not this particular build^^

Pretty much describes the state of ESO atm. in one video. Lol 2 sec proc. I can't even and won't

GreenSoup2HoT

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Heres a link to blobs magicka proctard build, it shows just how broken procs are:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtP4ubdSseM
Just to be clear, I absolutely respect and like Blobs. But not this particular build^^

Pretty much describes the state of ESO atm. in one video. Lol 2 sec proc. I can't even and won't

I think its more of an issue with force pulse (that tri destro move) giving a 30% chance to proc RM instead of 10% per cast. Just an oversight on zos's part. They didnt expext a magicka class to use a stamina set.

Kind of like how shield breaker procs 4 times with lightning staff heavies. Not purposely intended.

Qbiken

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Heres a link to blobs magicka proctard build, it shows just how broken procs are:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtP4ubdSseM
Just to be clear, I absolutely respect and like Blobs. But not this particular build^^

Pretty much describes the state of ESO atm. in one video. Lol 2 sec proc. I can't even and won't

I think its more of an issue with force pulse (that tri destro move) giving a 30% chance to proc RM instead of 10% per cast. Just an oversight on zos's part. They didnt expext a magicka class to use a stamina set.

Kind of like how shield breaker procs 4 times with lightning staff heavies. Not purposely intended.

A change to Red Mointain would be to make it only work on stamina/physical weapon attacks, since it´s a stamina set. Or at least it was intented as a stamina set with the 2-4 piece bonuses. Think this set was meant for stamina DK`s back when DK`s didn´t were "Poison Knights" but that´s just a guess.

FearlessOne_2014

Qbiken wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Heres a link to blobs magicka proctard build, it shows just how broken procs are:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtP4ubdSseM
Just to be clear, I absolutely respect and like Blobs. But not this particular build^^

Pretty much describes the state of ESO atm. in one video. Lol 2 sec proc. I can't even and won't

I think its more of an issue with force pulse (that tri destro move) giving a 30% chance to proc RM instead of 10% per cast. Just an oversight on zos's part. They didnt expext a magicka class to use a stamina set.

Kind of like how shield breaker procs 4 times with lightning staff heavies. Not purposely intended.

A change to Red Mointain would be to make it only work on stamina/physical weapon attacks, since it´s a stamina set. Or at least it was intented as a stamina set with the 2-4 piece bonuses. Think this set was meant for stamina DK`s back when DK`s didn´t were "Poison Knights" but that´s just a guess.

Honestly I think this set should work for both magicka and stamina. Stamina has enoth sets as it is. And since ZOS is no longer trying to balance this game. Why not give the magicka users a bone or two to be cool like the stamina users? Are you saying that Stamina users should be the only users afforded the luxury of bursting players down with just gear procs? I'm afraid that you are going to have to just deal with this. As magicka users had/have to deal with Viper, Seleens, and Veli.

Or yall can hop on the Anti Proc train and call for all proc sets to be nerfed. When used against players.

So do you want balance, or do you want stamina to be the only ones proc killing? You are now going to have to put your intentions clear now. Do you just want effortless free kills? Or do you want skill-based combat to return?




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